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Author Topic: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 - 10/12/09  (Read 407488 times)
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« Reply #1580 on: October 06, 2009, 02:21:32 PM »

MumInOhio: Let me help your agenda memory.


MumInOhio posted: "Kermit...From what I see you are posting Your Opinions...You are entitled to them."

CORRECTION: I posted Kyle Kingman's quotes.

MumInOhio posted:


CORRECTION: I didn't post anything about Deepak having an email in his pocket.
Trying to make up stuff is just plain loosey-goose investigative research.
 

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« Reply #1581 on: October 06, 2009, 02:25:48 PM »

http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-us&vid=e880f553-fc78-4c7a-be70-bcb16a31d23f
Interview with Tim Miller. Fisherman's trap could have been dropped 3 - 5 miles off Aruba
LIVE and DIRECT with RITA COSBY and Tim Miller and James Whitaker (underwater
specialist).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPkCEtwKy4Y
Dave Holloway talking about Silvetti searching for 6 weeks.
MAPPING of the ocean floor.


"If it wasn't for Mos and Richardson I would not be here" - Fred Golba
24ora Interview with Fred Golba
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEubcWuYUJM


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« Reply #1582 on: October 06, 2009, 02:35:29 PM »

MumInOhio: Let me help your agenda memory.


MumInOhio posted: "Kermit...From what I see you are posting Your Opinions...You are entitled to them."

CORRECTION: I posted Kyle Kingman's quotes.

MumInOhio posted:


CORRECTION: I didn't post anything about Deepak having an email in his pocket.
Trying to make up stuff is just plain loosey-goose investigative research.
 




That isn't the first thing I have seen MuminOhio invent.  She's an expert at
inventing.
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« Reply #1583 on: October 06, 2009, 02:40:55 PM »

MumInOhio: Let me help your agenda memory.


MumInOhio posted: "Kermit...From what I see you are posting Your Opinions...You are entitled to them."

CORRECTION: I posted Kyle Kingman's quotes.

MumInOhio posted:


CORRECTION: I didn't post anything about Deepak having an email in his pocket.
Trying to make up stuff is just plain loosey-goose investigative research.
 




That isn't the first thing I have seen MuminOhio invent.  She's an expert at
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« Reply #1584 on: October 06, 2009, 02:43:06 PM »

I consider those on other forums who disregard Kyle Kingman's own words ... those who despicably trashed the messenger who exposed Kyle Kingman's own words ...  those who have viewed the revealed ROV images and ... those who continue to uphold John Silvetti nevertheless ... as participants in the Aruban coverup with has prevented justice from prevailing since the morning May 30, 2005.

Janet

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JOHN SILVETTI

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further.

Credit: Kermit @ scaredmonkeys.net


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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #785 12/13/08 -
« Reply #901 on: December 17, 2008, 07:17:24 PM »


JOHN SILVETTI TELLS CAPS THAT THE TRAP/CAGE IS A POSTOFFICE AND THE CAGE WAS EMPTY.

MARCH 3, 2008 – John Silvetti meets with CapsLockWizard

From an email sent from CapsLockWizard:

“Yes, We did have the meeting today. It was a long meeting and we are all set to start the process of a permit to drain. Witness will gave statement to Lawyer (Helen), Lawyer will motion to drain the pond to OM. If Motion denied, will go to media and expose more dirt. John knows everything now and he will stay behind to help and protect. John state the cage was empty. it was full of these broken plastic bags that shows on the cam like skull, but he said to me it is the water doing tricks when picture was taken. He thinks also it is a postoffice. When I told him the story about the cage, he also understand now some things that he could not have question about. Like why is the Panter allways parked over the spot while there is notting anymore in he cage. The meeting end at 5:00 pm and was very good. About the Pipes. They will be checked. Also John thinks that the signs are there but need to drain the pond. Also Withness is 99% it was some one that came from the pond area that he saw, because it looks like a dutch man and was cover in mud from the chest down.”

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4239.msg588188#msg588188


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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #739 3/3 -
« Reply #79 on: March 03, 2008, 05:47:47 PM »


There were three ROV dive videos of the trap.

Video 1 : 29th Dec - ROV visual inspection of the trap. (very small clip of this video on Dateline). Remember, the Dateline footage was taken over our shoulders by filming the ROV monitor. The footage is not the recorded ROV footage.

Video 2: Dec 30th - ROV and Diver visual-only inspection of trap. This is the dive Dateline and Tim Miller witnessed, also the dive footage the screen captures I made came from that were posted by Robin at BNH. I sent these 6 screen shots to the FBI and the FBI only. I was shocked to see them posted. I thought we had a security breach on the boat from my workstation or a leak from the FBI. Turns out the FBI gave them to Dave H. after he couldn't get them from me. After Tim Miller told Dave that we found her in a trap with 99.9% certainty (this is pre-diver inspection), Dave very reasonably requested them from me. I badly wanted to send them to him, but couldn't. Apparently, shortly therafter the FBI send the screen shots to Dave anyway, and therefore Robin had them.

Video 3: Jan 7th - ROV monitoring diver tactile inspection of the trap with sampling of items inside and outside of trap. The trap was not recovered. Recovered samples sent for forensic analysis. Neither Tim Miller nor the media were on board.

Several hours of footage were of other dives on other targets. None were of any relevance. Most targets were of peculiar coral pinnacles, man-made debris, and ship wrecks.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360047;topicseen#msg360047


ROV IMAGES

Video 1 - December 29, 2007













Images:  Kyle Kingman


Video 2 - December 30, 2007





Images: Kyle Kingman


Video 3 - January 7, 2008





Images: Kyle Kingman

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I agree Janet.

Despicable traitors for justice!
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« Reply #1585 on: October 06, 2009, 02:44:45 PM »

The turn over of mep to avp in the recent elections is the best opportunity for aruba to gain forward motion to improve the economic recovery wrt tourism.....
They (avp) has a short window of opportunity to launch an investigation of jan vs, paulass, rudy, om (jansen/mos) and nail the perps for all the world to see.....
That's all they need to do to dramatically improve their tourism! Show there is a housecleaning and make tourist feel safe, and they will return...
american traitors can be pursued by FBI and US agencies wrt fraud and any number of other violations......
 


I'm hoping we will see signs of all you've mentioned being put into motion very soon billb!
 



Not as soon as I had hoped, but this is precisely what I've been working on!

A wonderful friend found a personal email addy for Mike Eman - Aruba's new Prime Minister.


A Call To Arms Fellow Monkeys,

The Scared Monkeys message board came to be when Natalee Holloway vanished while on the island of Aruba.

4 1/2 years later, there has still been no answers for her family, and no Justice served.

Aruba has now, finally, changed Governing parties - the Aruban citizens have voted out the corrupt MEP party who was in full and total control of what they called an investigation, but what many of us know to have been a cover up.

There's a new man in town - Prime Minister Mike Eman. With him he brings a new Minister of Justice, and a new Minister of Tourism. Both positions, along with the former Prime Minister, we all know formerly held sway in what happened after Natalee disappeared.

Please take this opportunity to cry out for Natalee's Justice. An email campaign to the new Prime Minister of Aruba certainly cannot hurt - and this may be precisely the break we have all been waiting and hoping for.

Please send an email to Mike Eman................send one from each email address you have......................encourage friends and family to send an email from each address they have.....................post it on your MySpace and Facebook accounts..............send it out on Twitter.

Please help us beg for Justice for Natalee Holloway!



Keep in mind, there is already a movement in the Netherlands by Dutch officials to conduct an investigation themselves into what happened. Such an investigation (assisted by the US Justice Dept) could be the appropriate tool to use right now.


Here is my email to him:


Mr Eman,

Congratulations on your recent victory! I have been awaiting this day for 4 ˝ years.

I am an American who watched with horror as the disappearance of Natalee Holloway unfolded on your island.

Even more horrific was digging into what information became available about the investigation by Aruban authorities, and witnessing the corruption, cronyism, and collusion to cover up these crimes.

No one should fear abduction and death while on vacation. Niether should anyone fear a lack of Justice should they lose a loved one to such a heinous crime.

It was a relief to hear that finally the corruption on Aruba was being exposed and looked into by the Netherlands.

Mr Hero Brinkman and Ank Bijleveld deserve a medal for their determined actions to have the first 10 days of this “investigation” looked into.

Former Commissioner Jan van der Straten, former Prosecutor Karin Janssen, former Acting Police Chief Gerold Dompig, Detective Dennis Jacobs, Minister of Justice Rudy Croes, Prime Minister Nelson Oduber, as well as Justices Rick Smid and Bob Wit need to be investigated thoroughly, and prosecuted accordingly for their actions.

I am writing to urge you to honor the faith your Aruban citizens have put in you by electing you into Office. Please show them that their island’s suffering due to this crime and lack of punishment is now going to come to an end. Ensure your citizens that the corruption of the outgoing party will be thoroughly investigated and punished.

Natalee Holloway deserves Justice, and her family deserves answers. Both are long overdue, and make no mistake – the American public is still watching.

We are now watching with high hopes in this new Government, with you leading the way.

I urge you to take all steps necessary to openly invite the Netherlands to conduct their investigation they have proposed and to also take additional measures by inviting the US Justice Department to assist the Netherlands in this investigation.

Complete transparency and a thorough investigation that ends with the prosecution of the original perpetrators against Natalee Holloway – Joran van der Sloot, Satish kalpoe, Deepak Kalpoe, and Paulus van der Sloot is not only encouraged, it is expected. The prosecution of their enablers, formerly people of Authority in Aruba, is also long overdue.

Please show America that Aruba can be the happy island it once was – not only with Law and Order, but also with Humanity and Compassion.

Show your own citizens that they no longer have to live under the black eye your outgoing authorities have given to Aruba. That you will take crime seriously, both against your own people and against your tourists – your main source of income – and will see it punished accordingly. Show those on your island who now think it is ok to commit crimes against tourists that you will no longer stand for it. Send a message to your own citizens that crimes against tourists will be vigorously punished to the fullest extent of Aruban law.

Show Americans and Arubans alike that there will be no more exceptions for criminals just because of who they know, or who they are related to.

Bolster your economy in these dreadful economic times by showing Americans that travelling to the island of Aruba can once again be a safe prospect.

See that Justice is done for Natalee Holloway and her family.

Sincerely,

xxxxxxx
United States of America


Here are some sample letters you are free to use, or from which to create your own letter. Here also is the new Prime Minister of Aruba's personal email address - Mr Mike Eman.

Mr Mike Eman,

I am writing you from America, in hopes that you will welcome the request from Dutch Authorities for an investigation into what transpired after Natalee Holloway disappeared on Aruba.

The crimes against her need to be denounced, and the guilty punished. Punish not only those who committed those crimes, but also those who covered up the crimes, and helped the criminals escape Justice.

Please, help your island. Help Natalee Holloway. Help Natalee’s family.

Get Aruba back on its feet in the eyes of the world by seeing Justice done for Natalee Holloway.

Send a clear message to America that Aruba does value it’s tourists, and does not tolerate crimes against them.



Mike Eman,

It is with heavy heart that I write this appeal to you. The tragic loss of Natalee Holloway on your island has created such fear for anyone wanting to vacation there. As an American, I received the message loud and clear – Come to Aruba and spend your money. But if you go missing we will shrug it off and sweep it under the rug. We will also make sure those who hurt you walk free.

Please take this opportunity in your new role as Prime Minister to have a full combined Dutch and American investigation conducted into what happened to Natalee Holloway.

Please take all steps necessary to see that her attackers are punished as severely as Aruban law allows.

Please send a new message to American travelers - Aruba cares not only about your money, but also about YOU.

Please show me that Aruba cares about what happens to me should I visit there.



Mr Eman,

I encourage you in your new position as Prime Minister to do the right thing by Natalee Holloway and her family.

Allow the Dutch to investigate what happened after she went missing. Encourage your citizens to cooperate with the investigation. Let them know they no longer have to fear repercussions from those now leaving office if they tell the truth about what happened.

Invite Natalee’s family to inspect the criminal file of her disappearance – holding nothing back. Ask for their help – ask them to show the Dutch investigators what they have learned.

Please do everything in your power to finally allow Justice for Natalee Holloway and her family.



Mr Eman,

I still cringe every time I hear the word Aruba. In 2005 a fellow American disappeared on your island – and from all appearances, your officials did absolutely nothing to pursue Justice for her. Those who abducted her have been walking free ever since. They have been allowed to carry on with their lives, while hers was taken.

Natalee Holloway lost her life on your island, and no one ever did anything about it. Far from it. The powers that be on Aruba made sure that nothing would ever come from her death. They made sure, for the sake of Aruba’s Tourism.

It is with utter sincerity that I say this to you now. Please reverse the message Aruba has sent to the world – to the vacationing world. Let the world know that Aruba will punish criminals, that Aruba puts humanity before tourism.

Please allow the Dutch and the American FBI to conduct an investigation into what happened to Natalee Holloway. Please make the guarantee that those who hurt her will come to Justice.

I promise you, those actions alone will go a long way with me and my fellow Americans when making future travel plans.

Here is his email addy:  Mike Eman Prime Minister of Aruba - mikegeman@gmail.com


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« Reply #1586 on: October 06, 2009, 02:46:11 PM »

http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/news-19146--14-14--.html

   

Reprinted from Caribbean Net News
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G20 may blacklist Caribbean regulatory havens
Published on Monday, October 5, 2009

ISTANBUL, Turkey (Reuters) -- The Group of 20 major nations may blacklist countries that have lax financial regulation and impose sanctions on them, mirroring its crackdown on tax havens, Chancellor Alistair Darling was quoted as saying.

"Just as we want to go after tax havens, we want to go after regulatory havens as well," Darling told Emerging Markets magazine in an interview published on Saturday.

"It is not good for financial stability that some companies can operate out of a Caribbean island, and shelter behind a veil of secrecy, and we don't know what they are up to."

Darling's remarks, some of the strongest yet on the issue by a senior G20 official, suggested the group was determined to impose financial reforms comprehensively around the globe to reduce the risk of another credit crisis.

The G20, which groups the United States and other rich countries along with developing nations such as China and India, is pushing for wide-ranging changes in financial regulation -- from bank capital standards and bankers' pay to corporate accounting rules and supervision of financial institutions.

Emerging Markets magazine said the Financial Stability Board, which coordinates the G20's regulatory initiatives, would prepare a "provisional blacklist" of regulatory havens by a meeting of G20 finance ministers in November, as well as a grey list of countries that also should tighten standards.

The FSB will suggest the use of positive sanctions, such as help with improving a country's regulatory capacity, as well as negative sanctions, such as raising the cost of doing business with banks in a blacklisted area, the magazine reported.

Darling, visiting Istanbul for a meeting of finance officials from the Group of Seven rich nations and the International Monetary Fund's semiannual meeting, was quoted as saying big institutions which triggered the credit crisis had traded in every corner of the globe.

"We have an interest in making sure that the regulatory regime is robust, so that you don't end up with banks falling between stools," he said.

"I am concerned about countries that don't have such robust regimes. As it becomes less and less clear what exactly their arrangements are, that could have quite a destabilising effect on other countries."

The G20's crackdown on tax havens has had considerable success. G20 leaders agreed in April to name and shame the world's tax havens with a public list, and threatened sanctions for countries not falling into line.

Since then, some European countries, such as Switzerland, have made concessions on bank secrecy laws in an effort to get off the list. On Thursday, the government of France said French banks had promised to close all their branches in jurisdictions considered to be tax havens from March 2010 onwards.


Thank you SuzieQ for finding this and posting it.

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« Reply #1587 on: October 06, 2009, 03:02:19 PM »

Dear Mike Eman,

Are you aware that your own countrymen were behind the Pond hoax?
Mark Purcell, Kawish Misier, Lorenzo Webb, Geerman and RV (caps) contacted Dave Holloway
and told him to come to Aruba and search the pond. At great expense to Dave Holloway and Aruba paying for Fred Golba arrive in Aruba for the search of Natalee Holloway's remains in the Monrestrat Pond. Yes sirree!

Consider why those individuals in Aruba would do such a cruel hoax to the family and at considerable cost for Aruba.

cc: CIA
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     Internet High Crimes Division Lt. G____.






 
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« Reply #1588 on: October 06, 2009, 03:14:28 PM »

R-----V------- aka (caps),

Please go thank MumInOhio. For she has re-fired me up to make sure you and ALL of your buddies, including good ol' Louisiana buddy,  pay Mister and Mrs. Holloway and Aruba back for your intentional corruption to the family and investigation.

I am sending ALL of your emails to the law enforcement agencies, FBI, CIA, Internet High Crimes Investigation unit, Netherlands and Mike Eman along with your buddies voice messages and your internet activities as evidence.

I already sent some of the stuff to Hero Brinkman.




 
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« Reply #1589 on: October 06, 2009, 04:46:54 PM »

I believe the biggest factors in preventing the recovery of Natalee Holloway and justice for Natalee remain conflicting interests, cronyism, nepotism, and favoritism.

How is it possile that professional judges, prosecutors, and law enforcement failed to arrest/take into custody, and search the property/homes of the last three known to be with Natalee?  Those that seemed to lie from the beginning?

John Silvetti, his crew and supporters are American heroes.   

All the problems with the investigation started the first few days, and the finger still points at Aruba, the judiciary, the prosecution, the ALE, and the Hague/homeland by extension.

What can the average Aruban do to fix the problems?

How long before Joran graduates and returns to the island to start up where he left off and open a business?

my opinions

I consider those on other forums who disregard Kyle Kingman's own words ... those who despicably trashed the messenger who exposed Kyle Kingman's own words ...  those who have viewed the revealed ROV images and ... those who continue to uphold John Silvetti nevertheless ... as participants in the Aruban coverup with has prevented justice from prevailing since the morning May 30, 2005.

Janet

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JOHN SILVETTI

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further.

Credit: Kermit @ scaredmonkeys.net


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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #785 12/13/08 -
« Reply #901 on: December 17, 2008, 07:17:24 PM »


JOHN SILVETTI TELLS CAPS THAT THE TRAP/CAGE IS A POSTOFFICE AND THE CAGE WAS EMPTY.

MARCH 3, 2008 – John Silvetti meets with CapsLockWizard

From an email sent from CapsLockWizard:

“Yes, We did have the meeting today. It was a long meeting and we are all set to start the process of a permit to drain. Witness will gave statement to Lawyer (Helen), Lawyer will motion to drain the pond to OM. If Motion denied, will go to media and expose more dirt. John knows everything now and he will stay behind to help and protect. John state the cage was empty. it was full of these broken plastic bags that shows on the cam like skull, but he said to me it is the water doing tricks when picture was taken. He thinks also it is a postoffice. When I told him the story about the cage, he also understand now some things that he could not have question about. Like why is the Panter allways parked over the spot while there is notting anymore in he cage. The meeting end at 5:00 pm and was very good. About the Pipes. They will be checked. Also John thinks that the signs are there but need to drain the pond. Also Withness is 99% it was some one that came from the pond area that he saw, because it looks like a dutch man and was cover in mud from the chest down.”

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4239.msg588188#msg588188


A REMINDER

ROV DIVES


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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #739 3/3 -
« Reply #79 on: March 03, 2008, 05:47:47 PM »


There were three ROV dive videos of the trap.

Video 1 : 29th Dec - ROV visual inspection of the trap. (very small clip of this video on Dateline). Remember, the Dateline footage was taken over our shoulders by filming the ROV monitor. The footage is not the recorded ROV footage.

Video 2: Dec 30th - ROV and Diver visual-only inspection of trap. This is the dive Dateline and Tim Miller witnessed, also the dive footage the screen captures I made came from that were posted by Robin at BNH. I sent these 6 screen shots to the FBI and the FBI only. I was shocked to see them posted. I thought we had a security breach on the boat from my workstation or a leak from the FBI. Turns out the FBI gave them to Dave H. after he couldn't get them from me. After Tim Miller told Dave that we found her in a trap with 99.9% certainty (this is pre-diver inspection), Dave very reasonably requested them from me. I badly wanted to send them to him, but couldn't. Apparently, shortly therafter the FBI send the screen shots to Dave anyway, and therefore Robin had them.

Video 3: Jan 7th - ROV monitoring diver tactile inspection of the trap with sampling of items inside and outside of trap. The trap was not recovered. Recovered samples sent for forensic analysis. Neither Tim Miller nor the media were on board.

Several hours of footage were of other dives on other targets. None were of any relevance. Most targets were of peculiar coral pinnacles, man-made debris, and ship wrecks.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360047;topicseen#msg360047


ROV IMAGES

Video 1 - December 29, 2007













Images:  Kyle Kingman


Video 2 - December 30, 2007





Images: Kyle Kingman


Video 3 - January 7, 2008





Images: Kyle Kingman

Credit: Klaasend @ scaredmonkeys.net


I agree Janet.

Despicable traitors for justice!

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« Reply #1590 on: October 06, 2009, 05:02:52 PM »

I hates stacks of repeated info that we already know..

But Let me just say this..


You are on Target Kermit !!!
 Fire at will !! 

I could never have imagined how corrupted these people could have been and were if I had not witnessed it with my own eyes.

Oduber, he disgusts me the most. You could have lead the group into truth and justice.
You are one weak little man. 
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ARUBA: It's all about Natalee...we won't give up!


« Reply #1591 on: October 06, 2009, 06:33:07 PM »

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_63454.php

Google translation:

Bijleveld: 'Quick to the table with new government'

October 6, 2009, 15:02 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - Netherlands hopes quickly with the new government to be able to table, to work on a good relationship. That leaves Secretary Ank Bijleveld (Kingdom Relations, CDA) appear in a letter to the House, where she reports on her recent visit to Curacao and Bonaire.

The elections are in its results yielded a clear, namely that AVP in the States a more nature position. "One of the principles of AVP for the elections to build a better relationship with the Netherlands. I hope for a positive and constructive cooperation with the new government of Aruba. I will soon with the new government to go table to see how we can work on a good relationship. "Bijleveld that this is important to include the political process and numerous collaborative projects, such as law enforcement.

The Dutch State Secretary also said in the short term expect Aruba to agreement on the study of the state government of Aruba.

"The best result can be achieved when Aruba and the Netherlands in order collectively to provide the Scientific Research and Documentation. I had already had discussions with the previous government. Given the desire of Aruba to a better relationship with the Netherlands to come, I expect this short-term agreement. "
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #1592 on: October 06, 2009, 07:56:16 PM »


<snipped>

John Silvetti, his crew and supporters are American heroes.   

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There was a time this entire forum would have immediately gone up one side of Whiskeygirl's cheer and than down the other.  What changed Monkeys?

 

Justice for Natalee ... closure for her family and ... loyalty for Kermit who took a huge risk when he exposed the John Silvetti betrayal ... dictates I cannot let the above statement go unchallenged.

Whiskeygirl ... this roboposter will robopost once again.

"I consider those on other forums ... who disregard Kyle Kingman's own words ... those who despicably trashed the messenger who exposed Kyle Kingman's own words and ...  those who have viewed the revealed ROV images but  ... continue to uphold John Silvetti nevertheless ... as participants in the Aruban coverup which has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway since the morning of May 30, 2005."

Janet

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A REMINDER


THE BETRAYAL

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words


Kyle Kingman:   I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.


THE TARP

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:  07-Jan we dove on the trap with Aruban divers and our ROV recording the dive. They found the piece of blue tarp and blue denim-like fabric, and other things I can't identify.

Kyle Kingman:   I am 100% confident other important items are at that site and can be found during processing of the site with a suction system.  The only confirmation of items sampled were blue fabric and the piece of tarp.  This is the only thing Richardson and Mos independantly confirmed.  Remember, they each only confirmed one piece.  One confirmed blue fabric, the other confirmed tarp.  From the video you see both.

Kyle Kingman: Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand. I believe her left arm was outstretched with her legs slightly bent. I did not edit the legs. I believe the tarp was placed over her and tucked around her, or perhaps tied down. I believe there are several rocks laying on the sand which were placed on the tarp, or inside the tarp over her body which explains their unusual location. Either way, the proportions appear promising.

Kyle Kingman: The blue tarp piece was found approx 6-10 ft away from the trap opening.


THE FABRIC

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand.

Kyle Kingsman: Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle Kingman: In my opinion, the blue fabric is quite possibly Natalee's skirt. The divers found the denim where I suggested a week earlier (Dec 29th) to Tim Miller that there was likely Natalee's denim skirt under the sand. Also in my opinion, the deni-like fabric is a match in terms of color, quantity, and structure to Natalee's skirt. It's not a lot of denim folded in the bag, but then again her skirt was rather small.

Kyle Kingman:  The sediment in this case is fine-grained sand which is preferencially deposited to make a body form. For sand to preferentially deposit, there needs to be a lower energy state where the sand collects and stays. This can be achieved either with a shallow depression creating accomodation space and lower potential energy (not the case) or by creating small eddy currents due to surface friction. The sediment around the door area is being eroded or removed by currents. Where the body was, it is being deposited. Basically, the fabrics created enough resistence for sediment to preferentially collect on it. Further, bacterial staining due to decaying organics acts as a mild cementing agent. Combined, you will have sediment erosion around the body form and deposition on the body form which collects through time. In this case, possibly 2 1/2 years.

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THE ULTIMATE BETRAYAL

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat. (March 11, 2008)

Kyle Kingman: They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th. (March 11, 2008)

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

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« Reply #1593 on: October 06, 2009, 08:03:05 PM »

I don't take that poster to seriously myself Janet!I won't give it more attention then what it's worth,which is zilch,in my book!
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« Reply #1594 on: October 06, 2009, 08:41:51 PM »

I don't take that poster to seriously myself Janet!I won't give it more attention then what it's worth,which is zilch,in my book!
I just now read it .... I normally just scan right through. ANYONE defending Silvetti here has either NOT read Kyle's own statements or are simply drinking the Kool-ade of the other sites who are under some delusions that the world only contains people "trying to help". Don't these people comprehend that these "people" they have been trusting are from Aruba and are behind all of these hoaxes and misdirections???? Do they not even TRY to listen to the evidence presented by the likes of Kermit??? Do they think that we at SM are ALL a bunch of non-thinking idiots??? ............. Nevermind, don't answer that. 
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« Reply #1595 on: October 06, 2009, 09:06:56 PM »

I read it Janet.  Really, really tired to this ignorance put forth concerning Kyle and the Persistence crew.  KYLE's own words are out there for all to read YET they keep coming in here and defending them.  Hero's, yea right.  Wonder how much money they made off Natalee.  In bed with the hero American's on that hell-hole island.  Sucked Dave right in with their promises of returning his daughter,  "Here she is, must come now to get her".  May they rot in he$$.
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« Reply #1596 on: October 06, 2009, 09:08:36 PM »

I read it Janet.  Really, really tired to this ignorance put forth concerning Kyle and the Persistence crew.  KYLE's own words are out there for all to read YET they keep coming in here and defending them.  Hero's, yea right.  Wonder how much money they made off Natalee.  In bed with the hero American's on that hell-hole island.  Sucked Dave right in with their promises of returning his daughter,  "Here she is, must come now to get her".  May they rot in he$$.

Your ghost is skeeering the dolphin Blue Moonn.
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« Reply #1597 on: October 06, 2009, 09:20:18 PM »

Those on the other forums who refer to the John Silvetti betrayal as a conspiracy theory do not get it.  A conspiracy theory is not necessary.  Kyle Kingman made it easy.  His own words exposed the entire Persistence conspiracy ... from the finding of the trap ... to the professional analyzing of the ROV images in regards to the contents ... to the recovery process when the Project Lead afforded unchallenged to the enemy what may have been Natalee Holloway's remains ... to the attempt to financially benefit from the betrayal through network negotiations.

DESPICABLE!!!

At times I cry when I stop and consider those who were were scammed  into donating to and supporting a venture that had nothing to do with justice for Natalee Holloway and closure for her family but ... everything to do with furthering the Aruban cover up agenda.

It is imparitive that this story told by Kyle Kingman in his own words ... Kyle Kingman the ROV analyst on board the Persistence ... is exposed and does not become a faded memory.  If it does ... the implication is that Aruba has won and ... what is so frustrating ... she could not have claimed victory without the assistance of John Silvetti and all those who supported him.

Janet
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« Reply #1598 on: October 06, 2009, 09:26:31 PM »

I read it Janet.  Really, really tired to this ignorance put forth concerning Kyle and the Persistence crew.  KYLE's own words are out there for all to read YET they keep coming in here and defending them.  Hero's, yea right.  Wonder how much money they made off Natalee.  In bed with the hero American's on that hell-hole island.  Sucked Dave right in with their promises of returning his daughter,  "Here she is, must come now to get her".  May they rot in he$$.

Your ghost is skeeering the dolphin Blue Moonn.

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« Reply #1599 on: October 06, 2009, 09:29:11 PM »

I read it Janet.  Really, really tired to this ignorance put forth concerning Kyle and the Persistence crew.  KYLE's own words are out there for all to read YET they keep coming in here and defending them.  Hero's, yea right.  Wonder how much money they made off Natalee.  In bed with the hero American's on that hell-hole island.  Sucked Dave right in with their promises of returning his daughter,  "Here she is, must come now to get her".  May they rot in he$$.

Your ghost is skeeering the dolphin Blue Moonn.

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Reminds me of ghosts from episodes of Scooby-Doo..
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