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Author Topic: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 - 10/12/09  (Read 407505 times)
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« Reply #540 on: September 15, 2009, 02:57:46 AM »

Just kiddin billb.....I know You are not skeeerred! 

That's right!  billb's not afraid of no ghost!   
Nawwww....billb ain't afraid.....I was just kiddin! 


Good Night All.....Justice for Natalee!

 Sweet Dreams Monkeys and Guests!
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« Reply #541 on: September 15, 2009, 04:03:59 AM »

MsMarple! I'm so sorry I missed you, but it's wonderful to see you again!!! 

You all are cracking me up about being SKEEERED! 

I suppose I could have had Casper skipping down the stairs, but it just looses something in the translation......   

Hotping? If you'd rather have something else, you know I'd be glad to switch it for something else. 
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« Reply #542 on: September 15, 2009, 05:07:10 AM »

MsMarple! I'm so sorry I missed you, but it's wonderful to see you again!!! 

You all are cracking me up about being SKEEERED! 

I suppose I could have had Casper skipping down the stairs, but it just looses something in the translation......   

Hotping? If you'd rather have something else, you know I'd be glad to switch it for something else. 
No Way Jose...I want to be skeerrry for Halloween! Thanks Again CBB!  Monkey Devil!
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« Reply #543 on: September 15, 2009, 08:45:16 AM »

O/T  A publicist for Patrick Swayze says the "Dirty Dancing" actor has died. For more details, go to abc13.com. [Sent: 7:01pm] 


 

There isn't a movie of his I haven't seen.  He was an amazing actor.  I have watched everything he was in starting with the Civil War (North and South) series. 

May he rest in peace.



What a terribly sad loss.  And what a battle he put up against his illness.

He was truly a gifted, kind, and amazing man.
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« Reply #544 on: September 15, 2009, 10:50:57 AM »

Looks like AirTran has set up their flight schedules to hell hole.         

AirTran Airways Continues Caribbean Expansion by Announcing Flight to Aruba
"One Happy Island" Marks the Fifth Caribbean Destination for the Low Fare Leader
Press Release
Source: AirTran Airways
On Tuesday September 15, 2009, 7:00 am EDT
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ORLANDO, Fla., Sept. 15 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- AirTran Airways, a subsidiary of AirTran Holdings, Inc. (NYSE: AAI - News), today released schedules for new service to Aruba. These flights will mark the airline's fifth Caribbean destination and are in addition to recently announced service to Montego Bay, Jamaica, and Nassau, Bahamas and existing service to Cancun, Mexico, and San Juan, Puerto Rico.

AirTran Airways will begin flights to Aruba from Atlanta on December 19, 2009, and from Orlando on February 13, 2010. The popular tourist destination will also connect to dozens of other AirTran cities. All flights to and from Aruba are subject to final government approval.

"Adding Aruba to our list of Caribbean destinations gives our customers more choices than ever when looking for an escape from winter," said Kevin Healy, senior vice president, marketing and planning. "Dipping your toes in Caribbean sand has never been easier and we'll get you there from Orlando just in time for the Grand Parade of Carnival."

AirTran Airways is already a leading carrier to winter sun destinations, with flights to Cancun, Mexico, San Juan, Puerto Rico, Phoenix, Las Vegas, New Orleans, and 10 cities in Florida. The airline currently operates the nation's largest low-fare carrier hub in Atlanta and offers flights to more destinations than any other carrier from Orlando.

The following nonstop flights to and from Aruba will be available beginning December 19, 2009:



      From       To      Flight   Departs      Arrives   Frequency  Equipment
      ----       --      ------   -------      -------   ---------  ---------
    Atlanta    Aruba       871   11:10 a.m.    4:05 p.m.  Saturday      737
     Aruba    Atlanta      872    4:50 p.m.    7:50 p.m.  Saturday      737


The following nonstop flights to and from Aruba will be available beginning February 13, 2010:



      From       To      Flight   Departs      Arrives   Frequency   Equipment
      ----       --      ------   -------      -------   ---------   ---------
    Orlando    Aruba       494   10:06 a.m.    2:15 p.m.  Saturday      737
     Aruba    Orlando      495    3:00 p.m.    5:13 p.m.  Saturday      737


* Flights to and from Aruba, are subject to final government approval

AirTran Airways, a subsidiary of AirTran Holdings, Inc. (NYSE: AAI - News) and a Fortune 1000 company, has been ranked the number one low cost carrier in the Airline Quality Rating study for the past two year. AirTran is the only major airline with WI-Fi on every flight and offers coast-to coast service on North America's newest all-Boeing fleet. Its low-cost, high-quality product also includes assigned seating, Business Class and complimentary XM Satellite Radio on every flight. To book a flight, visit http://www.airtran.com.


    Media Contacts:  AirTran Airways
                     Christopher White
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                     678.254.7442


 http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AirTran-Airways-Continues-prnews-2301974022.html?x=0&.v=1
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« Reply #545 on: September 15, 2009, 11:13:55 AM »


Hi Monkeys,

As promised - I do still try to read here, I just haven’t been able to follow the crazy twists and turns in this case that brought so many people together. Ergo, I don’t feel I have anything to bring to the table.
I am pretty confident that the Murder & Crime thread put a whammy on Aruba for at least some travel writers. I just came to a point that I didn’t have time to find and attempt to translate the crime articles. texasmom knows how time-consuming that is (she deserves thanks every single day).

Having said that – I do have an observation, and I’m sure all of you have done so as well: It is interesting that Aruba lets the Patrick-Joran tapes exonerate 2K, but won’t buy Joran’s confession on the tapes. I guess Aruba found some legal-techno-mumbo rationale for this arbitrary, selective picking and choosing. It helps, of course, that there’s no physical evidence – and we all know why. So does Aruba.

Re. Patrick Swayze – remember when we were using that line from “Dirty Dancing” here – Nobody puts baby in the corner. (I think we were talking about Beth.)

I have so many good monkey memories from here. (Well, one or two unpleasant ones. I had to step away a few times and take 4,000 deep breaths.)

But what a fun and dedicated group we were, and still are. Just sorry that so many unfortunate divisions and diversions came along.

Eternal gratitude to klaas, who has my greatest respect. Thank you for keeping it all together.


Ms. Marples!  You have been missed.

The Range Rover recording?  I believe the "confession" was all about furthering the Aruban coverup by:

1.  Appeasing the family of Natalee Holloway by only implicating an underage Joran ... an underage Joran who at the most would receive a slap on the wrist for initiating a disposal of a body.

2.  Exonerating Deepak and Satish ... the ones who could reveal the whole truth regarding the involvement of Joran, Paulus' and the sons of the elite in the morning of May 30, 2005 and ... thereby exposing the Aruban coverup that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway.

3.  Taking the focus off the January 7, 2009 recovery by the Arubans of what could have been Natalee Holloway.

4.  Paving the road for a successful outcome in the Kalpoes' defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw.

IMO

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« Reply #546 on: September 15, 2009, 11:16:07 AM »

Good Morning All!

Exercise time.  Everybody reach to the sky and then touch your toes.

 

Janet
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« Reply #547 on: September 15, 2009, 11:24:40 AM »

Good Morning All!

Exercise time.  Everybody reach to the sky and then touch your toes.

 

Janet
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I'm still a little sore from a long walk on the beach on Sunday afternoon, but you are right.....you have to keep it up.   
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« Reply #548 on: September 15, 2009, 11:27:22 AM »

Good Morning All!

Exercise time.  Everybody reach to the sky and then touch your toes.

 

Janet
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I'm still a little sore from a long walk on the beach on Sunday afternoon, but you are right.....you have to keep it up.   

... and no more carrot cake parties.

 

Janet
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« Reply #549 on: September 15, 2009, 12:21:55 PM »

If Joran van der Sloots "confession" reveals the truth then I can only conclude that there was nothing Natalee Holloway related in the cage/trap.  According to Peter Devries ... Joran assisted in carrying Natalee Holloway to Daury's boat ... the boat which Natalee taken out to sea and dumped.

Could it be that the Range Rover confession was a hoax meant to take the focus off of the Persistence's discovery.

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PETER DEVRIES - IN HIS OWN WORDS

How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


- THE FRIEND WITH THE BOAT -

Joran phones a person named ‘Daury’ who is half Dutch and half Aruban. A couple of other times Joran talks about the fact that he was helped by several other people that night.  Daury has a boat docked in front of the hotel in which he takes cruise tourists on ‘tubes’ and ‘bananas’.  Daury came instantly to Joran and together they quickly declared that Natalee was in fact dead.
 
Together they carried the girl from the beach into Daury’s boat. Daury tells Joran to walk home. He, the friend, takes off onto the ocean where he throws Natalee’s body out of the boat into the sea. After that he visits Joran at his home, he has an apartment in the garden of his parent’s house, to talk about what happened. Joran tells Daury he walked back home and  hid his shoes in a storm drain. Later on he sat some time behind his computer and the following morning he went to school as usual. The next night he went to the casino ‘just to be recorded on camera’.  In a cold premeditated manner he leaves behind traces which could clarify that he didn’t have time to kill Natalee. Very clever for a seventeen-year-old, but Joran is of course the son of a judge-to-be.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


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« Reply #550 on: September 15, 2009, 01:01:05 PM »

I believe the following Kyle Kingman key quotes attests that John Silvetti's plan from the getgo was to turn the contents of the trap over to the Arubans.

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Kyle Kingman:  15:46 I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap.

Kyle Kingman:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Kyle Kingman:  I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.

Kyle Kingman:  Well, it's all going to happen. The big card will soon be played. I just had a secret meeting with Tim Trahan and by proxy, Louis Shafer. Tomorrow, Tim Trahan will get in touch with Beth Holloway in regards to the trap footage and missing evidence. We're getting geared up to play the conspiracy cover-up card on Aruba and force the bogus investigation out into the open. We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere.  We're in the process of figuring out how to produce and spin the story most accurately and most effectively. Also, and completely independant and unrelated, John will be in Aruba tomorrow and will report soon. This is a different issue. He knows nothing of what we're about to do with the footage.
 
Kyle Kingman:  On the other hand, those differences has also caused a rift between Tim Trahan/Louis and myself with John (although John and I remain close friends and colleagues). The result is Tim, Louis and I are moving forward and John [Silvetti] is left out of the loop. Tim Trahan has allied himself with me. What John's doing in Aruba, I am not entirely sure now although I know it's got to do with the pond search and some business relations. loathe the thought of going around John with the trap info but that's Tim's decision, not mine. It was Tim who wanted me involved in where we are going now.

Kyle Kingman:  Since the trap was only in 90ft of water and the detective knew about the latitude, did the Polis already know if it's location prior to the search?

... The implications of this are tremendous. If true, it means that the early investigators knew where and how Natalee was disposed and it was kept secret and covered up.
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« Reply #551 on: September 15, 2009, 01:03:02 PM »

 

Taking to myself?  Sign of old age.

Considering 62 years of age is far from old ... I am off to join the world outside of the computer room.

Have a good day all!

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« Reply #552 on: September 15, 2009, 01:59:04 PM »

What about Joran's statements to Greta?
Was Greta conspiring with the Arubian Government?

Joran says that the Kalpoes are going to give him $1,000,000 from their settlement from Dr. Phil
and he implicates them once again.
He said that Paulus paid off the Police and implicates his father yet again.
He says that he sold Natalee to someone who took her away on a boat.

Greta recorded all of those statements and repeated them on television just as Peter R. DeVries did.
That doesn't necessarially mean that she believes they are true statements.

I have not seen an official statement releasing the Kalpoes as suspects.
Maybe I have missed that.
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« Reply #553 on: September 15, 2009, 02:54:15 PM »

If Joran van der Sloots "confession" reveals the truth then I can only conclude that there was nothing Natalee Holloway related in the cage/trap.  According to Peter Devries ... Joran assisted in carrying Natalee Holloway to Daury's boat ... the boat which Natalee taken out to sea and dumped.

Could it be that the Range Rover confession was a hoax meant to take the focus off of the Persistence's discovery.

Janet

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PETER DEVRIES - IN HIS OWN WORDS

How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


- THE FRIEND WITH THE BOAT -

Joran phones a person named ‘Daury’ who is half Dutch and half Aruban. A couple of other times Joran talks about the fact that he was helped by several other people that night.  Daury has a boat docked in front of the hotel in which he takes cruise tourists on ‘tubes’ and ‘bananas’.  Daury came instantly to Joran and together they quickly declared that Natalee was in fact dead.
 
Together they carried the girl from the beach into Daury’s boat. Daury tells Joran to walk home. He, the friend, takes off onto the ocean where he throws Natalee’s body out of the boat into the sea. After that he visits Joran at his home, he has an apartment in the garden of his parent’s house, to talk about what happened. Joran tells Daury he walked back home and  hid his shoes in a storm drain. Later on he sat some time behind his computer and the following morning he went to school as usual. The next night he went to the casino ‘just to be recorded on camera’.  In a cold premeditated manner he leaves behind traces which could clarify that he didn’t have time to kill Natalee. Very clever for a seventeen-year-old, but Joran is of course the son of a judge-to-be.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #555 on: September 15, 2009, 05:52:36 PM »

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62468.php

Google translation:

Red lionfish threatening local species

September 15, 2009, 14:12 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - The red lionfish lion fish is either first reported yesterday in Aruban waters, said Milton Ponson foundation of Rainbow Warriors. He is concerned about the impact of the marine life because this fish has little or no natural enemies. Thus the fish example in the Bahamas over the course of several years and has become a scourge to many native species displaced.

Naturally the fish lives mainly in the waters off East Africa, Indonesia and Japan to Australia. The lion fish, the family of the scorpion, which he has poisonous spines in the event of danger can inflict very painful injuries. In general, the fish is not aggressive. He is a night hunter and eats mostly small fish, shrimp and crabs.
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #556 on: September 15, 2009, 05:58:22 PM »

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62466.php


Google translation:

ARUBA

Parliamentary questions on money laundering in Aruba

September 15, 2009, 14:09 (GMT -04:00)





Minister Johan Remkes co-Prime Minister Nelson Oduber during a meeting in 2005

ORANGE CITY / THE HAGUE - Following the draft report of the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) on money laundering and terrorist financing in Aruba, has MP Johan Remkes (VVD) yesterday using Kamervragen requested clarification.

Remkes will of Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten of the Interior and Kingdom Relations (CDA) and Finance Minister Wouter Bos (PvdA) know what actions the leaders plan to take the bad reputation of the Kingdom at this point to make. Additionally, the VVD explanations about the state of play regarding the instructions to do research on corruption and integrity of management to Aruba. The Member of Parliament questions, in this context also wondering what the opinion of the directors about the "disastrous outlined 'picture of the situation on the Anti-Money Laundering (AML) and Combating the Financing of Terrorism (CFT) on Aruba.

On June 22 has Rudy Lampe (RED) an open letter sent to the State in which he expressed his concern that Aruba did not comply with the rules to combat money laundering by the FATF, which probably Aruba on the black list of the organization would come. The National Ordinance on June 22 in the States of Aruba has handled the creation and establishment of a supervisory body for casinos, called a gaming control board, discussed. The Advisory Council would go against the arrival of such an institution have advised. "Against the advice it gave the government the draft to the States. Given the dictatorship of eleven in the States, which the government does not control, will issue the international reputation of the Kingdom of the Netherlands serious harm, "said Lampe, who refers to this as of July 1 of the Netherlands Presidency of the FATF. "If the creation of the Foundation is still continuing, and in the hands of friends and family of the current government, including a former minister who was recently convicted of violating the comptabiliteitsverordening the damage will be even greater for the Netherlands "Lampe writes in his open letter of June 22.

Netherlands, from July 1 for one years President of the FATF. The FATF is an intergovernmental task force in which global agreements to combat the laundering of dirty money and terrorist financing. These agreements set a standard in the countries that are deemed to comply. The FATF monitors to conduct regular compliance examinations country. The task force countries that can not keep the commitments to order and, if necessary, the FATF measures to protect the integrity of the financial sector itself.
      
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #557 on: September 15, 2009, 06:09:02 PM »

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62462.php

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Earthquake felt in Aruba

September 15, 2009, 14:07 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Residents have four hours last Saturday shortly after noon startled by an earthquake at the northern coast of Venezuela took place. The duty meteorologist was then made by various people from Aruba, Bonaire and Curacao phoned to reporting they felt an earthquake.

It reports the Meteorological Service Netherlands Antilles and Aruba. At a quarter past four in the afternoon was the Meteorological Service of the Venezuelan seismological service Funvisis via e-mail message that is about four to six minutes local time a major earthquake had occurred.

The Pacific Tsunami Warning Center (PTWC) confirmed that the quake had a strength of 6.4 on the Richter scale. The first reports that reported the quake at a depth of about 33 kilometer had occurred. This measurement was however refuted by showing that the recalculations quake "only" at 6 kilometer depth was. The epicenter was near 10.7 degrees north latitude and 67.8 degrees west longitude. This corresponds to a distance of about 175 kilometer southeast of East Point on Curacao. The PTWC provides such a devastating quake no danger of tidal waves or tsunamis. Seismographs have been the first (serious) have several weaker quake aftershocks recorded, but not in the Leeward Islands are felt.

 
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #558 on: September 15, 2009, 06:28:22 PM »

If Joran van der Sloots "confession" reveals the truth then I can only conclude that there was nothing Natalee Holloway related in the cage/trap.  According to Peter Devries ... Joran assisted in carrying Natalee Holloway to Daury's boat ... the boat which Natalee taken out to sea and dumped.

Could it be that the Range Rover confession was a hoax meant to take the focus off of the Persistence's discovery.

Janet

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PETER DEVRIES - IN HIS OWN WORDS

How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


- THE FRIEND WITH THE BOAT -

Joran phones a person named ‘Daury’ who is half Dutch and half Aruban. A couple of other times Joran talks about the fact that he was helped by several other people that night.  Daury has a boat docked in front of the hotel in which he takes cruise tourists on ‘tubes’ and ‘bananas’.  Daury came instantly to Joran and together they quickly declared that Natalee was in fact dead.
 
Together they carried the girl from the beach into Daury’s boat. Daury tells Joran to walk home. He, the friend, takes off onto the ocean where he throws Natalee’s body out of the boat into the sea. After that he visits Joran at his home, he has an apartment in the garden of his parent’s house, to talk about what happened. Joran tells Daury he walked back home and  hid his shoes in a storm drain. Later on he sat some time behind his computer and the following morning he went to school as usual. The next night he went to the casino ‘just to be recorded on camera’.  In a cold premeditated manner he leaves behind traces which could clarify that he didn’t have time to kill Natalee. Very clever for a seventeen-year-old, but Joran is of course the son of a judge-to-be.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


Do you REALLY believe that Janet?  Just askin'. 





Texasmom

I believe with all my heart that Natalee Holloway's remains were in all probability in that cage/trap.  I am a believer in Kyle Kingman's own words.  That is why I believe that Joran's Land Rover "confession" was fabricated.  Peter Devries was privy to all the recordings and states in his own words that Joran revealed that he assisted in carry Natalee to Daury's boat and ... a short time later Daury arrived at the van der Sloots residence.

Texasmom ... nothing about a cage/trap.

Janet


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« Reply #559 on: September 15, 2009, 06:35:21 PM »

What about Joran's statements to Greta?
Was Greta conspiring with the Arubian Government?

Joran says that the Kalpoes are going to give him $1,000,000 from their settlement from Dr. Phil
and he implicates them once again.
He said that Paulus paid off the Police and implicates his father yet again.
He says that he sold Natalee to someone who took her away on a boat.

Greta recorded all of those statements and repeated them on television just as Peter R. DeVries did.
That doesn't necessarially mean that she believes they are true statements.

I have not seen an official statement releasing the Kalpoes as suspects.
Maybe I have missed that.

Magnolia

It was Joran's words freely spoken to Greta on her show for all of America to hear.  Greta did not claim that she secretly recorded this "confession" ... the "fabrication".

Janet
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“A person of integrity expects to be believed and when he’s not, he let’s time prove him right.” -unknown
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