Lively Case Discussion #550 11/28 - 11/29/2006

[Tylergal]

O/T - my sister in law had twin boys rather late in life.  She is 50 and they are 3yrs old.    I just ordered two of these for them for Christmas    You don't think she'll mind do you??  



Kids of all ages will love twisting their words into a whole new voice. Speaking into this translucent, hand held toy transforms their voice to sound like a robot, alien or spaceman. 8"L x 4 1/2"W x 7 1/4"H. Uses one 9 volt battery (included). Age 3 and up.

Is your burial insurance paid up, Klaas?         The kids are going to love it!!!!!

[blah]

I'm getting very confused by this Carlo/Janssen thing.

If DeVries information is correct, then this is how I see it (and it's a feminine perspective so, of course it has that relational slant   ).

Antonio Carlo is Joran's attorney and at some point he realizes that Joran is heavily involved, or even guilty of murder, etc. etc.  

Instead of removing himself from the case, he secretly goes to Janssen and tells her Joran is guilty, and that she has to be the one to find the proof. He wants justice to be served, or something that seems to be noble, but why doesn't he just resign from the case? Is he afraid? Also, he must have trusted Janssen to stick his neck out like this, but boy was he mistaken!

Janssen goes and summarizes everything that transpired in writing!? Whoa! To me that sounds like Janssen was sending a loud message to Carlo. I wonder if this was when he realized he was in trouble. She had to have known that Carlo's secret meeting with her wasn't something to put in writing. Wouldn't she??

Just say that JVDS now knows that Carlo not only thought J was guilty, but was trying to make sure he got convicted. That is no small thing. I can't imagine JVDS would retain Carlo as Joran's lawyer. Carlo is now a HUGE problem. However, PVDS is then hired by Carlo's law office and for the last year the two have been working together. Who was responsible for hiring PVDS? Wouldn't that be a very threatening move towards Carlo?

Can you imagine the two of them going to work everyday, passing each other in the hall, etc.? I sure can't. This wasn't just a little misunderstanding between them. PVDS would do anything to help his son.

So, if what DeVries relayed is true, I can only conclude that Carlo must be a very frightened man.

Feel free to help me out here.

your not confused at all, you nailed it all together pretty good.  I say, have Devries dig into Carlo and find some dirt.  Then put the weight of the world on him and he will sing like a bird.

[klaasend]

Tylergal -   Yeah, she's going to kill us, but afterall, Christmas is for the kids right?

[Ono]

if you were born in america

why cant we call ourselves NATIVE AMERICANS

 

Yep, another PC term used inappropiately by a group who can't give up on the fact that a bunch of Europeans came to this continent and populated it.

And yes, born here means NATIVE AMERICAN to me.

Could care less what my ancesters did to anyone or where they came from.

Native American in my personal opinion means Indian decent. NOT Eastern Indian...as in India. Native American is to me my homage.....real life Indians on the plains, in the USA........doing whatever they do. I, here in the USA, look at Indians as Americans. American-Indian.....get it?? I am one. I am from the Penobscot tribe of Maine which was from Canada in a different name. I claim my Penobscot heritage.
Sorry if I offend anyone here......I do not understand why heritage of peeps is an issue.....shouldn't be. I want justice for Natalee and her family. Let's move on.

Ah...Hello Maine Penobscot!  I have some Algonquin ( from one of the Canadian Algonquin tribes ) blood within my veins as well !!

and space cadets....

     

[blah]

O/T - my sister in law had twin boys rather late in life.  She is 50 and they are 3yrs old.    I just ordered two of these for them for Christmas    You don't think she'll mind do you??  



Kids of all ages will love twisting their words into a whole new voice. Speaking into this translucent, hand held toy transforms their voice to sound like a robot, alien or spaceman. 8"L x 4 1/2"W x 7 1/4"H. Uses one 9 volt battery (included). Age 3 and up.

hahahaha you are just like me, I buy me neice and nephews the loudest, most obnoxios things I can find (3 boys and a girl)

One year I bought them this laser tag game, made all kinds of noise plus I figured they would be running around the house all winter tearing the place up playing this game !!

[lexie]

O/T - my sister in law had twin boys rather late in life.  She is 50 and they are 3yrs old.    I just ordered two of these for them for Christmas    You don't think she'll mind do you??  



Kids of all ages will love twisting their words into a whole new voice. Speaking into this translucent, hand held toy transforms their voice to sound like a robot, alien or spaceman. 8"L x 4 1/2"W x 7 1/4"H. Uses one 9 volt battery (included). Age 3 and up.

LOL, Klaas!  My twins were the first grandchildren on both sides.  All 6 childless or unmarried siblings gave them electronic juke boxes, "real" sounds lawn mowers, etc.  Of course, you cannnot give them ONE to SHARE.... must have two of everything.   Their first 3 Christmases were extrememly NOISY!  But, after the rest of the siblings had kids, they all wanted to SUGGEST books, etc for my gifts to their kids.  HA HA  No Way!  I had great fun shopping for all those kids!  I had not thought about that in a long time... my twins just turned 31, and the youngest of the siblings' children is now 20.

[Ono]

They are trying to run the clock out with the two-year statute of limitations on rape/murder, whatever in that country, Aruba, lawless hell hole that it is.

Yes..I agree. They could care less on Aruba regarding right and wrong. They thumb their collective noses at God and His Ten Commandments, justice and juris prudence. Western Civilzation and it's benevolent blessings do not reside on Aruba. Travelers: Beware....Pirates still roam on Aruba.

[San]

O/T - my sister in law had twin boys rather late in life.  She is 50 and they are 3yrs old.    I just ordered two of these for them for Christmas    You don't think she'll mind do you??  



Kids of all ages will love twisting their words into a whole new voice. Speaking into this translucent, hand held toy transforms their voice to sound like a robot, alien or spaceman. 8"L x 4 1/2"W x 7 1/4"H. Uses one 9 volt battery (included). Age 3 and up.

Gee I think I want one for Christmas .

I hope you bought earplugs for your sister-in-law.

[Carnut]

Well, Anna, we are quick to forget that being American means we could be from anywhere.  Yes, I have those half-Dutch children, but when they are bad, I know they are much Dutch than Brit!  I tell them that, too.       I say, "You are just like your daddy."  I never call him "Tater Head" to his face, however.

  I have quarter-Dutch children but stress their maternal Scottish & Brit genes.   Actally, "Tater-Head" aptly describes former mother-in-law.

I think one of the biggest problems facing this country now and even more in the future is all the people who are born and raised here but still think of themselves as being from another country.

Irag and several countries around the world are fighting and dividing over 'sectarian/ethinic' lines.

I can see the same occuring here and causing much pain and division.

Carnut: Studying & learning one's genealogical historical heritage is a good thing.

I'm sure it's a nice hobby, just like the study of history in general, but that's not what I'm talking about.

[Ono]

Big day tomorrow for J2K (yes, Joran also...according to MF/Carlo).

Any predictions?

They will all be given a free pass.

there will, some day, be a national holliday in aruba in their honor

Dear God...that is a revolting thought. You're most likely correct.

[klaasend]

O/T - my sister in law had twin boys rather late in life.  She is 50 and they are 3yrs old.    I just ordered two of these for them for Christmas    You don't think she'll mind do you??  



Kids of all ages will love twisting their words into a whole new voice. Speaking into this translucent, hand held toy transforms their voice to sound like a robot, alien or spaceman. 8"L x 4 1/2"W x 7 1/4"H. Uses one 9 volt battery (included). Age 3 and up.

Gee I think I want one for Christmas .

I hope you bought earplugs for your sister-in-law.

Honestly, I think my sister inlaw is louder than the kids.  

[Ono]

SG released on the 13th:

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 10:36 am
The boy was picked up at 23:00 on Sunday at Mickey D’s. Sneaked out later. Was on time for school. Don’t mix things up.
(interesting choice of words-what happens when you DO mix things up)

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:30 pm
Paulus has been picked up.

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 10:35 am P 1181
Anybody wants a blessing from Saint Alibi?

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 5:57 pm
The waters are low. The street are full. The night of Saint John.[/u] The fires will burn all around on the island (Light the fires!). The smoke will clear tomorrow morning.

Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 7:41 pm
Kalpoes went home. Joran stayed behind. Somebody had to come get him.

Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 7:59 pm
The fires burned high and bright. Even Saint John denied he knew. The smoke will clear soon.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:10 pm
Simian, older PVDS had one or two cards up his sleeve. They have been played, and lost. Will one of the cards sing?

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 2:58 pm
(1) The music man’s song was not on the bill.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:09 pm
(2) Simian, who else plays in the orchestra? A Babylonian….

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:14 pm
Simian, The Sumerians do not like the Babylonian intrusion.
The Babylonian card may be tossed from the table and crushed under Sumerian feet (or feat)….

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:58 pm
DirtyHand knows the Babylonians that provided escort after the 2 shivas left

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:18 pm
If the Alibi is broken by DirtyHand the walls of Babylon will shake

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:53 pm
DirtyHand is the key
He walks with the elders
He walks in all houses
And he walked with the fallen elder
he was the hidden card that was played

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 11:23 pm
Who took the boy to the party? Who took him home? Therein lies the third act. Look up the Simian’s posts from days ago.

I have just read this thing about 3 and a half times and I just dont know what I'm supposed to be getting out of it  

 

  OMG Blah, thank you for saying this..... I really did try to decipher this...but could not and figured I had finally lost my reasoning.

[memphis]

your not confused at all, you nailed it all together pretty good.  I say, have Devries dig into Carlo and find some dirt.  Then put the weight of the world on him and he will sing like a bird.

Thanks Blah! I feel much better.  

[memphis]

your not confused at all, you nailed it all together pretty good.  I say, have Devries dig into Carlo and find some dirt.  Then put the weight of the world on him and he will sing like a bird.

Thanks Blah! I feel much better.  

I meant to add, I'm kinda worried that Carlo will have a heart attack or get disappeared.  

[Carnut]

your not confused at all, you nailed it all together pretty good.  I say, have Devries dig into Carlo and find some dirt.  Then put the weight of the world on him and he will sing like a bird.

Thanks Blah! I feel much better.  

I meant to add, I'm kinda worried that Carlo will have a heart attack or get disappeared.  

Or commit suicide.

[San]

SG released on the 13th:

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 10:36 am
The boy was picked up at 23:00 on Sunday at Mickey D’s. Sneaked out later. Was on time for school. Don’t mix things up.
(interesting choice of words-what happens when you DO mix things up)

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:30 pm
Paulus has been picked up.

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 10:35 am P 1181
Anybody wants a blessing from Saint Alibi?

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 5:57 pm
The waters are low. The street are full. The night of Saint John.[/u] The fires will burn all around on the island (Light the fires!). The smoke will clear tomorrow morning.

Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 7:41 pm
Kalpoes went home. Joran stayed behind. Somebody had to come get him.

Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 7:59 pm
The fires burned high and bright. Even Saint John denied he knew. The smoke will clear soon.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:10 pm
Simian, older PVDS had one or two cards up his sleeve. They have been played, and lost. Will one of the cards sing?

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 2:58 pm
(1) The music man’s song was not on the bill.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:09 pm
(2) Simian, who else plays in the orchestra? A Babylonian….

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:14 pm
Simian, The Sumerians do not like the Babylonian intrusion.
The Babylonian card may be tossed from the table and crushed under Sumerian feet (or feat)….

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:58 pm
DirtyHand knows the Babylonians that provided escort after the 2 shivas left

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:18 pm
If the Alibi is broken by DirtyHand the walls of Babylon will shake

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:53 pm
DirtyHand is the key
He walks with the elders
He walks in all houses
And he walked with the fallen elder
he was the hidden card that was played

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 11:23 pm
Who took the boy to the party? Who took him home? Therein lies the third act. Look up the Simian’s posts from days ago.

I have just read this thing about 3 and a half times and I just dont know what I'm supposed to be getting out of it  

 

  OMG Blah, thank you for saying this..... I really did try to decipher this...but could not and figured I had finally lost my reasoning.

I'm confused also but then again that's not too hard.

The thing I'm trying to figure out is who walks in all the houses with the elders and fallen elder.

I can think of two names Ben King and Bob Witt.  They were both at the Van der Sloot house, work in the court house and are friends with other elders.

[blah]

well the 1st line discredits the whole thing for me as it was impossible for Joran to have been picked up at 11:00 at McDonalds.

[memphis]

your not confused at all, you nailed it all together pretty good.  I say, have Devries dig into Carlo and find some dirt.  Then put the weight of the world on him and he will sing like a bird.

Thanks Blah! I feel much better.  

I meant to add, I'm kinda worried that Carlo will have a heart attack or get disappeared.  

Or commit suicide.

uh huh  

[nonesuche]

Tylergal -   Yeah, she's going to kill us, but afterall, Christmas is for the kids right?

PLEASE send me that link      

[memphis]

I'm getting very confused by this Carlo/Janssen thing.

If DeVries information is correct, then this is how I see it (and it's a feminine perspective so, of course it has that relational slant   ).

Antonio Carlo is Joran's attorney and at some point he realizes that Joran is heavily involved, or even guilty of murder, etc. etc.  

Instead of removing himself from the case, he secretly goes to Janssen and tells her Joran is guilty, and that she has to be the one to find the proof. He wants justice to be served, or something that seems to be noble, but why doesn't he just resign from the case? Is he afraid? Also, he must have trusted Janssen to stick his neck out like this, but boy was he mistaken!

Janssen goes and summarizes everything that transpired in writing!? Whoa! To me that sounds like Janssen was sending a loud message to Carlo. I wonder if this was when he realized he was in trouble. She had to have known that Carlo's secret meeting with her wasn't something to put in writing. Wouldn't she??

Just say that PVDS now knows that Carlo not only thought J was guilty, but was trying to make sure he got convicted. That is no small thing. I can't imagine PVDS would retain Carlo as Joran's lawyer. Carlo is now a HUGE problem. However, PVDS is then hired by Carlo's law office and for the last year the two have been working together. Who was responsible for hiring PVDS? Wouldn't that be a very threatening move towards Carlo?

Can you imagine the two of them going to work everyday, passing each other in the hall, etc.? I sure can't. This wasn't just a little misunderstanding between them. PVDS would do anything to help his son.

So, if what DeVries relayed is true, I can only conclude that Carlo must be a very frightened man.

Feel free to help me out here.

Sorry, typed JVDS when I meant PVDS.