Lively Case Discussion #550 11/28 - 11/29/2006

[Anna]

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Ah yes, aruban history books with a chapter on the Great VDS Scandal or The Great VDS Depression.

So are you saying you think it better to just pi$$ and moan and not even try to name names or point fingers?    Since we know we can't count on any of these people actually getting anything like the jail time they deserve, we should just do nothing so that things get back to normal more quickly for Aruba?

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[Kat_Gram]

yes, carnut...

LOL

I was seriously asking the SG question.


I have never heard Joran admit to contact with the SG's in any way.

Perhaps, I was out that day.


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I thought your comment from this morning was funny too.

"What do you have against nuts?"  

One of the SG was in the same jail as Joran. Down the row. Mentioned crying in the cell. Maybe for Mommy. Or his pookie.

[robots]

yes, carnut...

LOL

I was seriously asking the SG question.


I have never heard Joran admit to contact with the SG's in any way.

Perhaps, I was out that day.


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I thought your comment from this morning was funny too.

"What do you have against nuts?"  

 

[bleachedblack]

Wasn't Guido's father the head of a political party where no one voted for them. Then he went to work in a bank ? After Oduber got in ?

Wever is as common a name as Croes and Oduber.  

[SunFreak2]

Do we know exactly when Carlo got spooked about his meeting with Janssen?

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:04 pm
The wire has been shaken. The bird has left.

Very interesting question.  IIRC, Paulus was released around the 26th.  Didn't Joran refuse to give a statement around that time b/c he had to talk to his lawyer so that he wouldn't contradict what his Father said?

[Kat_Gram]

But I do remember Jossy mentioning it. Don't think I am mistaken. Not Booshi. Booshi, is an Aruban. Guido is Dutch. Tyler probably has it. She has everything. But, does it matter ?
KJ . Ben Vocking, Bob Witt, PVDSloot.

[Lala'sMom]

Who has the power in Aruba?  It would be the Sloots...they are the ones that are guilty, yet the ENTIRE island has catered to their every wish.  If the power did not lie at their feet, then Joran would be toast.   PVDS knows all the secrets of everyone else on Aruba and he's kept meticulous notes and those in authority fear what he knows and how it can be used.

[Tylergal]

I have a question.  What could Carlo possibly be talking to the SG about?  Was he delivering a message to them??  

The hall monitor knows, Colombo knows, but SandraK does not know.    

[crazybabyborg]

Luv the "Lover Lips" on the Louse!

[Carnut]

yes, carnut...

LOL

I was seriously asking the SG question.


I have never heard Joran admit to contact with the SG's in any way.

Perhaps, I was out that day.


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I thought your comment from this morning was funny too.

"What do you have against nuts?"  

Well, wasn't sure I liked your insulting my ethnic heritage.

Of course my response was facetious, think we can all see that JVDS pretty much could do what he wanted, whether it was actual physical contact and conversation or thru intermediarys.

[Tylergal]

Question Question????

This hearing tomorrow is it to request release of just the kalpoes
or all 3 boys???

Depends upon who you ask.   Medleyrelay seems fairly certain it's all 3.  I've never seen anything official that includes Joran though.

Has she been playing that swimming to and fro again.

[Tylergal]

I have a question.  What could Carlo possibly be talking to the SG about?  Was he delivering a message to them??  

Yeah, S.T.F.U. or else.

Naw, if Carlo actually did talk to the SG's, I'll bet it was to help confirm his own suspicions that JVDS was really the perp by assuring himself that the SG's weren't really involved.

Your first reply was the bingo. This one is the gong.

[carpe noctem]

yes, carnut...

LOL

I was seriously asking the SG question.


I have never heard Joran admit to contact with the SG's in any way.

Perhaps, I was out that day.


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I thought your comment from this morning was funny too.

"What do you have against nuts?"  

One of the SG was in the same jail as Joran. Down the row. Mentioned crying in the cell. Maybe for Mommy. Or his pookie.

Thanks, Kat Gram....


He reminds me of Linus and his Blankie.


Big galumphin 225 pound, 6 ft 5 oaf. WAHHHHHH!!!!

Who said big boys don't cry, huh?

[Anna]

But I do remember Jossy mentioning it. Don't think I am mistaken. Not Booshi. Booshi, is an Aruban. Guido is Dutch. Tyler probably has it. She has everything. But, does it matter ?
KJ . Ben Vocking, Bob Witt, PVDSloot.

He doesn't look Aruban to me but you may be right.  I am going by what Scubajap said and we know she is less than reliable.  Buschi is just his nickname and not on his birth certificate.

And he is some how connected with the landfill as well.

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[Kat_Gram]

Who has the power in Aruba?  It would be the Sloots...they are the ones that are guilty, yet the ENTIRE island has catered to their every wish.  If the power did not lie at their feet, then Joran would be toast.   PVDS knows all the secrets of everyone else on Aruba and he's kept meticulous notes and those in authority fear what he knows and how it can be used.

Yep. it has to be that. What else could it be ? One dirty hand washes the other. But, who could have forseen the determination of people ? And the family. Guess the family was expected to give up and go home and they just party on on the TOILET Island.

[Tylergal]

I'm just going to take a stab here, but my gut feeling is that Aruba and the handful of crooked Dutch that are in control are going to release the Kalpoe's and eventually Kid-Rapist.  I really think those that are in control don't care about the future of Aruba, they are there to milk off the criminal activity that sustains the island and they are a little smarter and in control.  
If the bubble ever bursts, no skin off their backs, they just run back to Holland and pick up where they left off.  
The puppets that are 'supposedly' in charge just rant on and on about how they just need to pump more advertising dollars into the market to bring the economy back to normal.

Many teepees will fall.  

Remember when Dilbert or Dilbart or whatever his name is, was in NY back in the winter..........        making connections with Taco and relaying medleys......    

[Carnut]

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Ah yes, aruban history books with a chapter on the Great VDS Scandal or The Great VDS Depression.

So are you saying you think it better to just pi$$ and moan and not even try to name names or point fingers?    Since we know we can't count on any of these people actually getting anything like the jail time they deserve, we should just do nothing so that things get back to normal more quickly for Aruba?

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Huh? Didn't think I was saying any such thing.

Thought I was agreeing with your statement of the VDS's being a major cause of aruba's financial decline.

Unfortunately if anything is actually written in an aruban history book it will be blaming Nat.

[Tylergal]

well the 1st line discredits the whole thing for me as it was impossible for Joran to have been picked up at 11:00 at McDonalds.

Remember, right at the very first we heard that Paulus told Beth : " I picked THEM up at 4 a.m." And then several days later, after having scrutinized, he changed it to 11 p.m.

And only the SG's saw him?????

[San]

devries has more


bet the farm on it
 

This is what I think too.

I forgot who is father was.  I thought he worked for the government.  Anna knows who he is.

Dr. Bushi Wever.  He is the Minister of Something or Other like Health and Human Resources might be in this country but I don't know his official title.

He is the one Jossy claims was stiffing the bars in Venezuela, too.  Rather nice looking man for Aruba and has his photo in the newspapers often.

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I think this is him.

[San]

I have a question.  What could Carlo possibly be talking to the SG about?  Was he delivering a message to them??  

The hall monitor knows, Colombo knows, but SandraK does not know.