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« on: November 29, 2006, 10:39:08 PM »

Aruba has squandered any iota of credibility
capital that they possibly had to spend.

From ODUBER

Right down to that lying sack of SH —

Joran’s mother - Anita Van der Sloot.

—————————————-

Thursday, June 23, 2005- On the Record
ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: So I spoke
with him (Joran) about these
things and just told him to stay
strong and to TELL THE TRUTH.

——————

On June 24th 2005, at approximately 10.00 hours,
There we, the reporting officers, were informed the suspect J.A.P. van der SLOOT refused to go with us… that his mother and his lawyer had advised him on behalf of his father to NOT MAKE any more statements and to invoke his right to not make statements.

————-

On FOX, Anita confides in Greta that she’s telling the SPORTER to tell the truth.

When we research what is really going on behind the scenes… she’s funneling
messages to Joran from Paulus
and Antonio Carlo. She is
advising the sporter
to shut his effin trap.

Quick Links:

FOX - GRETA ON THE RECORD
Thursday, June 23, 2005

http://tinyurl.com/czdyw

Joran ALE Statement 6/24/2005

http://tinyurl.com/yd3jt7

———

De Vries, are u looking at this????

———

UN-BELIEVABLE!

Justice 4 Natalee
Ann Holloway !

FOX - GRETA ( INTERVIEW - ANITA )

VAN SUSTEREN: When you meet with him, do you have a time limit?

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: I have a time limit, yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: And who’s present?

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: With somebody, some of the officers is there, or the guards. AND IF I TALK ABOUT THE CASE, I CAN LEAVE.

Anita goes on to says she is telling Joran to tell the truth.

——————————–

6/24/2005 JORAN ALE Statements

snip it - (full link above)

- that he wouldn’t come with us today because his mother would be visiting him at 14.00 hours that day

- that if he gets a visit from his mother he would discuss making another statement WITH HER.

- that only if his father, by way of his lawyer would say he should make a statement he would do so!!!!!!! ?????????

- that he was waiting for the statement of his father and after that make another statement.

Of this, we, the reporting officers, on our oath of office, have made this proces-verbaal, closed and signed in Oranjestad on June 24th 2005.

The reporting officers,

S.A. TROMP M.A.G. R

————-

THE MURDEROUS RAPING
VAN DER SLOOTS LIE…
AND THAT IS THE TRUTH!
IT IS FAMILY TRADITION.

Justice 4 Natalee Holloway!!!
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For Natalee and Stephany, whatever it takes.

-JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ANN - BOYCOTT ARUBA
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"The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first."Thomas Jeff
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« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2007, 02:01:36 PM »

Here is a little timeline doo-daddily that I've
been cutting and pasting together from articles
and notes. I am trying to create a my own timeline
for the first 30 days or so of Nat's disappearance.

Do not take it as gospel! Some sources are MSM,
some are very Internet & Bloggy type article resources.

So warning: some of this may be wrong. If you
see something that needs to be fixed, please
post me a note. I want to be accurate,
don't hesitate to correct me. ty

This is a WIP FILE

*********

June 4, 2005

Police say THREE MEN - each legal Aruban residents between the ages of 18 and 25,  have emerged as "THE MOST IMPORTANT LEAD" The men claim they dropped Holloway off at her hotel at about
2 a.m. Hotel employees, however, say security cameras
did not record her return.

------------------------
BY JUNE 4TH, 2005

*****THREE MEN, MOST IMPORTANT LEAD!!!


YET JUNE 5, 2005
 
THEY ARREST TWO

SECURITY GUARDS

INSTEAD.
-----------------------

TUESDAY

June 5, 2005

Two men are arrested in a pre-dawn raid. The suspects worked as
security guards at a hotel near Holloway's until a day
before her disappearance, sources said. Their attorney says they are
being investigated for murder and kidnapping, and denies
any link between his clients and Holloway.

WEDNESDAY

June 8, 2005

A judge finds sufficient evidence to hold suspects Nick John, 30,
and Abraham Jones, 28, on suspicion of murder and kidnapping in the Holloway case,

according to defense attorneys.
Local law allows for the suspects to be held for a total of 116 days without being

formally charged.


THURSDAY

June 9, 2005

Aruban police arrest the three men who said they gave Holloway
a ride on the night she disappeared. The attorney
general's office refuses to identify the three or say whether they have
ties to the two other men detained in connection with the case.


FRIDAY -

June 10, 2005

"SOMETHING BAD HAPPENED"

Holloway's family rushes to a lighthouse after a police
official tells the media that one of the three young men in custody
admitted "something bad happened" and was leading police to the scene.
But prosecutors refuse to confirm or deny the information,
which yields no new developments.


------

ARUBAY MOVIE CREATED:

6/11 - SAT.

6/12 - SUN.



ARUBAY VIDEO ROCK SITE?
6/11 - 6/12

IMHO - I think Natalee's body was recovered
somehow during this time, and perhaps temporarily
stashed for safe keeping to dispose of later.

PVDS is not in jail yet,
running from media cams
and pouring sweat.


------

MONDAY -

June 13, 2005

The two ex-security guards who were detained but never
charged in the case are freed. The focus on the three
young men in custody intensifies, amid suggestions from Holloway's
mother that they might be being protected. One of the
three is the son of a high-ranking judicial official.

-BREAK

--------
ARUBAY VIDEOS - UPLOADED TO THE INTERNET - PROBABLY
RECORDED OVER THE WEEKEND SAT/SUN 6/12 & 6/13 respectively.
----------

-BREAK

BLOG RUMBLINGS:

DUTCH SPECIAL OPS

Natalee Holloway: Interesting New Development



    The Dutch media is reporting on Monday that The Netherlands
has sent some experts to the island of Aruba to assist in the ongoing search

(investigation).

    The Dutch experts arrived at Aruba **ON SUNDAY**. The local chief
of the search team of police in The Netherlands, Jan van der Straten, confirmed this

report on Sunday.

    Mr. Van der Straten did not go into details about
the type of experts that were sent. He only informed that the
experts that were sent did not go with search dogs and that
they were going to carry out specific detailed operations.

--- the ones we  
   see  in  ARUBAY
    ROCK VIDEOS?

-------



    Van der Straten told the press that he was not going to
disclose specified information, because this would obviously
lead to (justified) assumptions of the direction the investigation is heading in. He

said: "I cannot say more,
otherwise it will be clear in which direction the
investigation is going".

-BREAK

Natalee Holloway: Breaking News



TOP95 FM (Aruban radio station) reported on Monday
that they have received information about the story that the suspect Joran van der Sloot

gave to the police. The radio station *********got this information
from the attorney that is representing the
suspect Abraham Jones.

Jones is being held at the same location as
Joran and he has been hearing/getting information
from within the institute. According to the attorney,
Jones declared that Joran is convinced that he is being framed.

**Joran is saying that he did not go to the lighthouse with the group at all.
( A GROUP? )



He testified that after he left the club, he caught a ride home with his Surinamese

friends, the brothers Kalpoe. At that time Natalee Holloway was in the car.

Joran allegedly testified that the Kalpoes dropped him off at
his home and drove off with Natalee in car.

It was only afterwards (A FEW DAYS LATER), around the
swimming pool at his house, that the Kalpoes made
plans to come out with one version of the events.
But now it seems that they are trying to frame Joran.
The attorney also told the radio station that his client
has been hearing Joran van der Sloot sobbing a lot lately.



-BREAK


TUESDAY -

JUNE 15TH 2005

???

The dad is attempting to meet with son to tell him not to confess.
He is suing to see his son because he knows that his son is breaking down.
He wants to reassure him that everything is alright, that authorities
have not found anything, and to keep his mouth shut. NB/NC




WEDNESDAY -


JUNE 16TH 2005

UPDATE: The joint court of law of the Dutch Antilles and

Aruba has granted Paul van der Sloot permission to visit his son Joran.
That the decisions came Thursday afternoon after Paulus van der Sloot
had filed a motion for allowing him to see his son on Wednesday.
Initially the Aruban authorities had allegedly denied him
visitation because of his status.




THURSDAY -

06-17-2005, 12:52 PM

A fourth suspect in the Natalie Holloway case has been arrested.
The individual (STEVE CROES OR FREDDY Z?) is a friend of the dutch teen. I think it could
possibly be disclosed that this fourth suspect helped dispose of Natalee's body.

*******



****

Steve Gregg C. J. Croes, 26, is the son of a prominent businessman
and alleged friend of Joran Van Der Sloot. Aruban authorities state
there is an search going on with regards to this arrest but did not
state where. The boy has the initials SGC,
and his father is also high in the judiciary.


Possible Fifth Arrest - Lorenzo?

There is also a RUMOR of another 27 year old taken into custody,
his father recently committed suicide and he has had serious
mental issues since. He has two homes, a house on the main road
of savaneta and also another one in Seroe Alejandro, and was
know for having underground parties.

*****

On Natalee's Yahoo forum there there is a report that a
helicopter is searching Santa Lucia area because according
to the cell phone records of one of the three suspects there was a
call in the Santa Lucia area at 6:30 am the morning
Natalee was to have met up with the group to leave for airport.

Santa Lucia is in Santa Cruz....pass the Ayo Rock Formations....
Right where they have the Donkey sanctuary.

*********

FRIDAY
 
6/17/2005

According to news reports, Mr. van der Sloot's motion
to visit with Joran, originally granted, was subsequently
RETRACTED by the judge.


He is not allowed to see Joran


***Joran's mother, however, was allowed to visit with him.


One of the brothers (Deepak) has already been transferred
to a prison and Joran and the second brother will be
transferred in the next few hours. The judge ruled that
there is cause to hold the 3 for at least another 8 days.



SATURDAY- SUNDAY


6/18/ & 6/19


*** Here I think we see Deepak fighting back to the level the playing field.
    Remember, Joran wanted to hang the whole thing on Deepak 6/10. I think D and
    S were angry and striking back at Joran.


Paul van der Sloot, a judge-in-training on the island,
was questioned for two hours Sunday afternoon after five
hours Saturday night, said Police Superintendent
Jan van der Straaten.




MONDAY -
6/20/2005


There is an unconfirmed report that Joran is on
a Suicide Watch after an unsuccessful
attempted suicide last night.


TUESDAY

6/21/205

ORANJESTAD, Aruba — An Aruban judge on Monday ruled
that there is enough probable cause to continue
holding a fourth suspect in the disappearance of American tourist Natalee Holloway

(search), FOX News has confirmed.

A spokesperson for the prosecution confirmed to FOX News that Steve Croes,
26, who works as a disc jockey on a tourist party boat in Aruba called
"The Tatoo," will now be detained for another eight days.
The new timetable began at 2 p.m. EDT Sunday and will end next Monday.

Croes was brought to the Aruba court at 9:10 EDT Monday morning.
Although authorities are not specifying exactly why Croes has been in police custody

since Friday, it's known that the fourth
suspect is in fact friends with the three other young men being held as suspects in the

case of the missing Alabama teenager.

Croes was arrested Friday after giving police a statement,
said Marcus Wiggins, his boss on the boat Tattoo.

Under Dutch law, which Aruba follows as a Dutch protectorate,
authorities can detain people for up to 116 days without charging them.

Meanwhile, Aruban police have been questioning the
father of a Dutch teenager held in the disappearance of Holloway, hoping the island

justice official may know something to help
solve the mystery of what happened to her, an official said.



WEDNESDAY

06-23-2005, 04:47 PM

The father of Van Der Sloot was just arrested.

Mother of teen detained in Aruba investigation says
son admits to being alone with her. changes story to beach site.

"I dropped the girl at the beach. I walked with her.
I left her there because she wanted to stay there. I left
and I don't know what happened. There my statement ends.'" -Joran


THURSDAY

6/24/2005




Someone coaches Joran to STFU, probably Anita or his new lawyer.

JORAN then goes quiet & maintains radio silence, REFUSES TO SPEAK

-IMO


Communication link with poppa gets squashed.

...because they are both behind bars.

No way to coordinate lies now. Joran starts to dictate to A.L.E.
what he wants to do & what he doesn't. -see forum ALE REPORTS


SATURDAY

6/26/2005

"The judge agreed there is not enough proof he
was involved to keep holding him," (pvds) Lotter-Homan said.

Police superintendent Jan van der Straaten said
the court also ordered Paul van der Sloot released.

Also released, Steve Croes.

-Associated Press.


It ( the corpse ) is probably a land based hiding spot
at this moment in time...

You can't LEAD SOMEONE in to the effin ocean! No sea burial yet.




Perhaps, PVDS and Croes (one or the other)

gets rid of the body here @ this juncture.

------ released on JUNE 26TH, 2005 SUNDAY

**

SIMIAN SAYS "Natalee's Body is recovered on 6/27/2005
WATCH CNN, praise Simian later."

Pvds fresh out of jail.

-end
Logged

For Natalee and Stephany, whatever it takes.

-JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ANN - BOYCOTT ARUBA
------------------
"Don't talk about what you have done or what you are going to do." Thomas Jefferson
"The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first."Thomas Jeff
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« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2007, 07:17:02 AM »

Deepak - ALE Statements 6/16

You are telling me that in the night of May 30th 2005 I received a telephone call from

Joran, that we had a conversation of approximately i minutes and whether I can state what

the content of that conversation was. I cannot exactly remember the content of the

conversation. I do remember that Joran said to me that he was on his way home by foot.

That he was in the vicinity of the Mc. Donalds at Palm Beach. I asked him if he had had

sex with the girl. He said that they went into the water briefly and that after that they

sat down on the beach and the girl had fallen asleep, that is what I understood. His

actual words were that the girl "passed out" on the beach and that he left her there. I

asked him why he had left her there. He answered that she would be leaving the same day

and that someone would find her there. I cursed him/told him off for the fact that he had

left her there. I even told him he was sick for doing that to the girl. I have to tell

you there was a lot of disturbance on the phone. It happened several times that I could

not hear Joran. At some point it was so bad that he said that when he would get home, he

would come online.



To your question about the day that myself, Satish and Joran went for a walk at the

"Raquet Club" and who had observed this, I can say the following. Koen and Guido

certainly saw us. Sander may have seen us, I am unsure about that.

To your question as to what route we walked, I can say the following. We walked around

the before mentioned club.

To your question as to how long we walked, I can say the following. It lasted about 5 to

6 minutes. .

To your question as to what the topic was of the conversation, I can say the following.

The conversation was about the route, the "Holiday Inn" route and whether or not we could

become suspects.To your question as to when I called Joran on that Monday and asked him

where he was and with whom Joran said that he was with in the casino, I can say the

following. Joran told me that he and Guido were together at the "Wyndham" casino. That

was about 18.00 hours. Later that night, when I called him around 23.00 hours he was in

the "Radisson" casino.

------
Paulus / ALE 6/18/05
....

5/30/2005

Between 17.00 hours and 18.30 hours, I dropped off Joran in front of the entrance of the

Aruba Raquet Club with my Suzuki so that he could take tennis lessons and go to the gym.

He probably had his carrying bag with tennis necessities with him. I saw him enter the

building. He had told me that he would afterwards be going to the Wyndham Hotel because a

“Free Carribean Stud Tournament” would be held.

-------

joran 6/14/2005
Between the hours of 17.00 pm and 18.00 pm I was in
the gym. I was talking there with "Koen" nickname "Cul". We
spoke that it was cowardly/weak and that no one was there.


CONTINUED...

My tennis lesson was between the hours of 18.00 pm and 19.00 pm. According to me I was

not called by anyone during that time. I had also made no calls myself. Approximately

19.00 pm, I was ready with playing tennis. I showered in the clubhouse. After I had

finised showering I got dressed. I do not remember what I put on that day. I was wearing

a short trousers and a T-shirt. It looked pretty nice/proper. I also wore slippers. Then

I called "Andre". I do not remember his phone number. Andre lives near the Marriot Hotel.

We had agreed that we would meet at the Wyndham Hotel at approximately 20.00 pm to play

poker. I had then also called Guido. Guido had told me that he had to go to work. He

would come later and try to enter the tournament for half time. I had also called my

father and asked if I could play poker at the Wyndham Casino. My father gave me

permission.

At approximately 19.15 pm I left on foot for the Wyndham Hotel. I was alone. My tennis

gear I had left behind the bar at the Raquet club. I had also removed my tennis shoes and

left them in the bag behind. I had taken from my tennis bag a pair of slippers and walked

away on those. From the clubhouse I walked in the direction of Salinja to the Marriot

Hotel. I walked along the same route that Deepak had taken to drop off me and Natalee. At

the beach of the Marriot I tried for a little while find my shoes. They were nowhere to

be found.


Joran's Duffle Bag pics

http://tinyurl.com/2k8846

http://tinyurl.com/2mtpp9





 I looked for about two minutes. Then I walked over the beach to the Wyndham Hotel. On

the way there I saw a lot of people. I did not go to Fisherman's Hut to see if Natalee

was still lying there. I at that moment was more worried about the shoes that I had left

behind because I was unaware that Natalee had gone missing. At approximately 19.45 pm I

arrived at the Aruba Grant Hotel & Casino.







Paulus ALE 6/18/05


To your question if I can remember what Joran had with him
when I dropped him off at the “Raquet Club”, I can state the
following. Every time that he goes to play tennis he has a sports
bag with tennis equipment with him

To your question whether I subsequently went to the “Raquet Club”
to pick up his sports bag that he left behind there, I can state the following.
I cannot remember. To the best of my recollection I did not return to the
“Raquet Club” after I dropped off Joran. (bull shizzle!)

.........

Joran gravitates to that pond, A BUNCH.

- end
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For Natalee and Stephany, whatever it takes.

-JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ANN - BOYCOTT ARUBA
------------------
"Don't talk about what you have done or what you are going to do." Thomas Jefferson
"The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first."Thomas Jeff
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« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2007, 09:19:52 AM »

1. The shoes may have been Kalpoe bait.
    If Deepak had gone to pick up Joran-stein's shoes,
    he would be in a bad position. Last one on the beach
    with Natalee. Joran was setting D & S up. imo

 Deepak says:

2.  Joran told me that he and Guido were together at the "Wyndham"  
     casino, that was about 18.00 hours.

3.

Deepak:

Joran said that he was with in the casino, I can say the following. Joran told me that he and Guido were together at the "Wyndham" casino. That was about 18.00 hours. Later that night, when I called him around 23.00 hours he was in the "Radisson" casino.

4
!!!
JORAN:
My tennis lesson was between the hours of 18.00 pm and 19.00 pm. According to me I was not called by anyone during that time.



5.

SANDER G. ALE 6/17/05

On your question if Joran walked sometimes from the "Raquet Club" to the hotels, I will explain to you the following:

Yes, Joran has walked from the "Raquet Club" to the hotels. That generally he did that on Friday. I think also that when he walks by the “Raquet Club” he also goes by McDonalds.

On your question if I you can explain which route Joran took, if he walked to the hotel, I will explain the following: He generally walked by the area that is called the Salinja.  (pond = comfort zone)

6. Joran asks Paulus on the way to R.C. if he can play in a free
    tournament @ Wyndham after tennis, Paulus says yes.

    YET, Joran feels the need to call him and ask one more time?

       "I had also called my father and asked if I could play poker at the Wyndham Casino. My father gave me permission."

????

At approximately 19.15 pm I left on foot for the Wyndham Hotel. I was alone. My tennis gear I had left behind the bar at the Raquet club. I had also removed my tennis shoes and left them in the bag behind. I had taken from my tennis bag a pair of slippers and walked away on those. From the clubhouse I walked in the direction of Salinja to the Marriot Hotel. I walked along the same route that Deepak had taken to drop off me and Natalee. At the beach of the Marriot I tried for a little while find my shoes. They were nowhere to be found.

 I looked for about two minutes. Then I walked over the beach to the Wyndham Hotel. On the way there I saw a lot of people. I did not go to Fisherman's Hut to see if Natalee was still lying there. I at that moment was more worried about the shoes that I had left behind because I was unaware that Natalee had gone missing. At approximately 19.45 pm I arrived at the Aruba Grant Hotel & Casino. (his original destination
was Wyndham?)


Joran's Duffle Bag pics

http://tinyurl.com/2k8846

http://tinyurl.com/2mtpp9


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Logged

For Natalee and Stephany, whatever it takes.

-JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ANN - BOYCOTT ARUBA
------------------
"Don't talk about what you have done or what you are going to do." Thomas Jefferson
"The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first."Thomas Jeff
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