Caylee Marie Anthony # 146 9/4/09 - 9/13/09

[SunnyinTX]

Sunny I'm snipping this section of your post.   JMO....kc, dragged Caylee around all hours of the day and night. WE KNOW that from statements of  kc's friends.  Caylee might surely have suffered AT TIMES from being TIRED. We have no proof, not even statements from friends, that Caylee was abused in any way.  In fact, just the opposite! Some friend, can't remember who at the moment and it's not important,  said kc was perhaps, at times, overly protective. Little kids fall and get bruised and yes, they get black eyes.                 


 Exactly, I don't recall anyone say they saw her being abusive to Caylee, not one person. And putting aside my feelings and what I think about George and Cindy, they may be a lot of things, but imo if they saw Casey beating on Caylee I don't think they would have tolerated that, of course I could be wrong.

nrcg...I agree...it is difficult sometimes to put our feelings aside, in this case in particular.  But I do agree......I don't believe the a's would have allowed Caylee to be abused physically. I do think they loved her......but I guess not enough.

[no rose colored glasses]

Not defending Casey by any means, but my son had "allergic shiners" as a child.  He was allergic to everything! 

I still get them,as does my little grandson.

Me too, and my older daughter, and Wyks by your post so did your son, it is awful when one has so many allergies 

Yes, it IS awful!  Seems that the actual testing for allergies is as hard, if not harder to bear, than the allergies themselves.  Sigh.  Will never forget what my son went thru during those tests.  What an ordeal.  The nurse made a game of taking the shots.  She told my son that if he could count to 5 lickety-split, before she was done with the shot, that next week he wouldn't have to take his shot.  Hehe.  He tried hard to outcount her, believe me.  It really took the focus off the shot, he had to concentrate on counting fast.  Of course, he needed those shots, and she and I both knew she was faster at the shot than he was at counting.  But she always gave him that hope.......  He actually looked forward to shot day, than dreading it.   

I was allergic to everything they tested me for  My grandfather was a RN he gave me the shots, two to three times a week. Caylee could have been allergic to the dogs in the house, if indeed those were allergic shiners.

[SunnyinTX]

Hi Sunny and Trimm! You snuck in on me while I was posting, but I didn't want to leave you out!!   

Hey CBB...my bottom lip was out cause I thought you missed me!   

I co-hosted a swimming birthday party yesterday with 20, 5, 6, 7 and 8 yo's in attendance....yes,    I am nuts!  LOL...  2 little boys had black eyes, one little girl had taken a spill on her bike...both elbows and both knees were really scraped...and it happened a week ago. 2 children had stitched...one across the bridge of her nose and the other in her head at the hairline of her forehead. I can guarantee only one didn't have a visible booboo. 

    I hope you had a stiff drink after that    It is rare not to see a kid without some kind of bruise or cut, unless they just sit and don't do much all day.

LOL...YES I DID...several as a matter of fact.!  And further tortured myself by attending a charity trivia night for abused and forgotten animals.  I bid on and won 2 little hugging monkeys!! in the silent auction!!

[Wyks]

Just thought about something else...for those who many not know about this kook Brian's Dreams....it was proved some time ago that he changed the dates and times on his 'dream predictions' to fit the situation   IMO that is....

Some say he is a kook, some swear by what he does.  I'm kinda in the middle of the road, not sure what or who to believe.  I've heard this before tho... that there is 'proof' of his changing dates and times.  But I haven't seen that actual proof.  Do you know of a site that discusses this, with proof?  Just curious.  For the most part, I find his work fascinating.  Just not so sure I believe it tho, cuz of what I've heard.  Just my thoughts. 

 

[Kat_Gram]

I have pix of GD where she looks tired with those shadows under the eyes.
I don't have any pix of when they were really sick. Not a photo op. 

[tupelohoney]

A buck, huh? I don't know, Tupelo.................. do you have a coffee pot?   

I use tea leaves....therefore a tea pot! 

[SunnyinTX]

Hi Wyks, cece, darla and Klaas! 

I distinctly remember thinking as I was taking my four year old to the ER for stitches, that he looked abused! My neighbor was with me; the accident happened at her house, but I swear, he was just so full of himself! She kept apologizing and saying, "But, I was right there, I was watching him closely!" I finally did a recount of the most recent "boo-boo's" while I had been "right there" too and she felt better! She was ready to close the trunk from getting groceries out, and at the last second, he reached in and she closed it on his head..........  BUT, a couple of weeks earlier, he had fallen out of the grocery cart because he saw something he wanted on the bottom shelf while I was standing RIGHT THERE reading a label! He just thought he could do anything physically and was scared of NOTHING! He grew up to be a football player, and I stopped at one child.........   

Caylee seemed to be an active child, so I'm not sure we'll ever know if she was just one of those kids, or if there was some physical abuse. I do believe she was emotionally abused.   

Hi CBB!   

I agree, am thinking that at the least, Caylee was emotionally, if not verbally, abused.  Just in how the A's act in public, gosh......... I can only imagine what it must have been like, behind doors.  A child can be emotionally abused (IMO) just sitting in the midst of squabbling adults.  Worse if the fight bet the adults gets physical.  This is why some kids need to have therapy in their later life, even if the only abuse they received was being the witness to other abuse going on around them.  My middle son is one of those.  The squabbling and abuse from his father toward me, scared him so much he would hide under the nearest table.  He remains to this day overly cautious, with a great deal of anxiety.  And that's after 20 years!!  That's emotional abuse, and am betting that at the very least, it was like this with Caylee.  IMO 

I am so sorry you and your son experienced this.  And I do honestly belief Caylee witnessed many arguments and disagreements between kc and the a's. Even when she didn't understand the words, I am betting she understood the tone.

[crazybabyborg]

I have pix of GD where she looks tired with those shadows under the eyes.
I don't have any pix of when they were really sick. Not a photo op. 

Hi Kat_Gram! Good to see you! 

[SunnyinTX]

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  I too, can say anything for a buck!!!  Just a buck now.....come on do I have any takers? 

Hi tupelo!!     hellofa way to make a living, huh!!

[Wyks]

Hi wyks....Klaas mentioned allergy shiners and now you mention it as well. First time I have heard this term.  I have terrible allergies....mold, ragweed, pollen....etc....mostly outdoor allergies.

Hi Sunny!  Yep, I was writing as Klaas posted hers, lol.  My son hadn't even got settled in the eye doc's chair before he said "allergy shiners!".  I was like... huh??  lol  Then he explained that sooooooooo many folks came to him with shadows under their eyes like that.  Some outgrow the allergies, some don't.  From what I understand, when highly allergic to say, environmental things, it can be harder to outgrow.   Food allergies seem to be easier for some to outgrow.  I have allergies that sound like yours, mostly outdoor.  And it's different in different areas of town, depending on the trees, etc in the area.  High cotton-flying days, I pretty much stay indoors.     

We moved back to MO from TX 2 years ago and my allergies as being exposed to new and different allergens than I was used to so it been....achoo!! achoo!!

Awwwww....

I grew up in an area north of Sacramento, where there was a bridge that seperated towns.  My kids grew up on the other side of that bridge.  When at home with my kids, I wouldn't have allergic reactions.  But within a few minutes of crossing the bridge into my hometown, I'd be sneezing.  Weird, isn't it?   We moved to Nebraska about 8 years ago, and NO allergies for me or my sons ever since.  It's odd, these environmenal things.....

[SunnyinTX]

Just thought about something else...for those who many not know about this kook Brian's Dreams....it was proved some time ago that he changed the dates and times on his 'dream predictions' to fit the situation   IMO that is....

Some say he is a kook, some swear by what he does.  I'm kinda in the middle of the road, not sure what or who to believe.  I've heard this before tho... that there is 'proof' of his changing dates and times.  But I haven't seen that actual proof.  Do you know of a site that discusses this, with proof?  Just curious.  For the most part, I find his work fascinating.  Just not so sure I believe it tho, cuz of what I've heard.  Just my thoughts.   

Wyks..I am sorry I no longer have the info on Brian...it has been at least 2-3 years ago. I deleted all that when I got my new computer.   I did see the 'proof' as it was presented. It was pretty convincing.

[crazybabyborg]

Casey's going down!    (Sorry........ that just bubbled up)

Anytime I feel discouraged about this case, I remind myself there's hair with a dead ring from the trunk that must be Casey's or Caylee's. Casey's living, so....................

I think a jury can understand that.   

[SunnyinTX]

I have pix of GD where she looks tired with those shadows under the eyes.
I don't have any pix of when they were really sick. Not a photo op. 

KAT  is in the house...errrr  cage!!

[SunnyinTX]

A buck, huh? I don't know, Tupelo.................. do you have a coffee pot?   

I use tea leaves....therefore a tea pot! 

 

[Gizzie]

nrcg...I agree...it is difficult sometimes to put our feelings aside, in this case in particular.  But I do agree......I don't believe the a's would have allowed Caylee to be abused physically. I do think they loved her......but I guess not enough.

  Those words just gave me goose bumps!     

[Gizzie]

Casey's going down!    (Sorry........ that just bubbled up)

Anytime I feel discouraged about this case, I remind myself there's hair with a dead ring from the trunk that must be Casey's or Caylee's. Casey's living, so....................

I think a jury can understand that.   

  

[Wyks]

Wyks, you're so right! I'm sorry about your son. {{HUGS}}. Those kind of scars don't heal easily, and I do believe that Caylee's world was becoming more difficult as she got more able to put a crimp in Casey's lies. JMO.

Thanks CBB!  I agree with you about Caylee's world, it seems that way to me too.  I often wonder if, in Caylee, we were seeing what life may have been like for Casey as a little girl.  Kind of wonder what Caylee would have turned out like as an adult, given the chance.  Not making excuses for Casey, not by any means, just an observation.  Am thinking like others too, that the older Caylee got, the more she could talk about what she experienced or witnessed.  And as in many homes, one can learn early on, the hard way, about the 'no talk' rule.   

I just have to wonder, as has been discussed a lot, during the ride home from seeing Great-Gpa, if Caylee innocently said something to CinCin which may have sparked more anger in CinCin toward Casey.  IIRC, the 'choke hold' fight CinCin and Casey supposedly had wasn't long after CinCin and Caylee had gotten back home that night.  Could have been about the $$ stolen from the Great-Grandparents, and could have also included something Caylee may have said too. 

I can just see Caylee, who seemed soooooo very tired/drained in the video with Great-Gpa, clinging to him....  saying something like 'I don't wanna go see mommy....'  I dunno, just some thoughts. 
 

[cece]

Casey's going down!    (Sorry........ that just bubbled up)

Anytime I feel discouraged about this case, I remind myself there's hair with a dead ring from the trunk that must be Casey's or Caylee's. Casey's living, so....................

I think a jury can understand that.   

Music to my ears!!!

[Wyks]

Sunny I'm snipping this section of your post.   JMO....kc, dragged Caylee around all hours of the day and night. WE KNOW that from statements of  kc's friends.  Caylee might surely have suffered AT TIMES from being TIRED. We have no proof, not even statements from friends, that Caylee was abused in any way.  In fact, just the opposite! Some friend, can't remember who at the moment and it's not important,  said kc was perhaps, at times, overly protective. Little kids fall and get bruised and yes, they get black eyes.                 


 Exactly, I don't recall anyone say they saw her being abusive to Caylee, not one person. And putting aside my feelings and what I think about George and Cindy, they may be a lot of things, but imo if they saw Casey beating on Caylee I don't think they would have tolerated that, of course I could be wrong.

nrcg...I agree...it is difficult sometimes to put our feelings aside, in this case in particular.  But I do agree......I don't believe the a's would have allowed Caylee to be abused physically. I do think they loved her......but I guess not enough.

My mind goes back to CinCin remarks about trying to get custody of Caylee.  Whether that was a threat she just used toward Casey to get her own way in things, or if she actually tried for that, I dunno.  Makes me wonder what, if anything, may have been happening to cause CinCin to make that threat.  Knowing what we do of CinCin, may have been nothing except her own need for control.  On the other hand.. what if she had good reason?  Her seeming need to control everything around her, incl what seems now to be covering for Casey no matter what, could be why she doesn't come right out and tell media what may have happened before to cause her to threaten getting custody.  Seems she has switched back and forth, from Casey is a bad mama/person to Casey is the mother of the year.    

   

[carolb]

I have always wondered about the gap of missing hair between her bangs and pony tail (above her temples) in the last video at the nursing home. In earlier photos it seems like her hair was fuller in that area. Just as the glitter seemed to be leaving her eyes, so did some of her hair leave her scalp. I think that she was probably duct taped prior to that Father's Day. I'm sorry I don't have any of the pictures to show what I mean.