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« Reply #100 on: September 28, 2009, 02:25:13 PM »

I do not know this poster and ... without backup would most likely disregard his/her words but ... according to DD ... a search warrant issued this past weekend in the Lindsey Baum case listing a floral bathing suit implies ... in my opinion ... some connection.  However ... considering the quad/three wheeler witness states that Lindsey was wearing her bathing suit ... not jeans and a hoodie ... I do not believe the sighting on the quad/three wheeler took place after 9:30 PM on the evening of June 26, 2009.

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07-01-2009, 11:29 AM

... I had heard from a friend who works at the ORV park that someone thinks they saw Lindsey on one of the trails in Capital Forest on Saturday wearing a pink floral bathing suit and with a man on a quad or 3 wheeler. My friend said they've been doing searches in that area and checking every vehicle coming in and out as best they can.

http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=15126&page=16
Janet, I am still trying to find more, but the sighting was not that night, but Saturday.  I just cannot find it.  I see many posts of the LE searching the ORV park and I don't think LE would spend resources out there unless they gave it some credibility.  By the way, do you think it is possible someone else sent you that message from HO other than HO?  I walked that path HO suggested and determined it was not a likely escape route.  More likely only a dirt bike could maneuver it. Someone else was recently looking around at a spot near where another road came up from the left.  I believe it went down to N. Summit RD(not sure).  Two men on bikes spent some time looking around.  Maybe from one of the search parties, I don't know. I am not saying it is not what HO seen or his dogs followed, but I find it hard to believe she went up that trail that night or probably at any other time. JMO shortcake

In all probability ... the search of the ORV park was the result of a tip .. a Lindsey sighting.  Jim Mullins Creek was searched six times.  Why?  KONA's properties were search this weekend.  Why?

I have no reason to believe it was not Harry Oakes who responding to my email.  My suggestion went to his email address and ... was received in a relatively short period of time.  The signing of his name reflected that in correspondence from Oakes that KONAMOCHA shared on the forum.

Shortcake ...I have no way of knowing if Harry Oakes is credible but ... the way I interpret Oakes' confusing email is that a deceased Lindsey was taken in an open vehicle along Beck Street.  I would assume that a death scent would not have been easily detected by the dog/s if Lindsey had been in an enclosed vehicle.

I could be wrong with my take but ... prior to this email from Harry Oakes ... I was unaware that Oakes had conducted a search on Beck Street ... a street that could be easily accesed from Lindsey's home via First.

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Janet, let me make one more stab and then I will quit beating this mule.  The entrance to the trail(old road) is in front of a house that has a very large black dog and lets you know he /she means business.  The trail is gated and locked.  There is a path qround the gate, but probably only accessible by a dirt bike.  A couple hundred feet in is a small alder across the trail(probablely blowened down last wind storm).  I had to almost crawl to get past.  Ferns as tall a you and devil's clubs abound.  Ten feet off the trail you cannot see it is so thick.  If HO tracked up there a short time after Lindsey went missing, He would have noticed if someone left that trail and went out into the woods.  After all dogs track and his job is to be on the lookout for any clues.  Not a place where a 10 year would visit for sure.  I walked up past a road that came in from the left and up a little more to what looked like an old spur trailing off to the left.  That was enough for me.  No one could get up that trail without the dog alerting the neighborhood, and I don't think many dirt bikes have lights. Now it is time for me to quit beating this mule and move on.  I tend to discount HO findings.  JMO shortcake
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« Reply #101 on: September 28, 2009, 02:25:17 PM »

blonde moment but what does IIRC stand for?  i figured out IMO, yah me.. lol

IIRC=If I recall correctly

MM kara stated MB may have called her, her phone was charging. I never blamed MB for any of this, she is seems did what should have.
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« Reply #102 on: September 28, 2009, 02:30:04 PM »

seems strange that MB would not even talk to the dog handler if I am reading this right...Why wouldn't she welcome any help?

I don't know, but no matter what kind of grief you are in, one would think you could talk to a person that was there to help 

I agree!  At least to be gracious and say thank you for helping.   

AZ, I remember reading somewhere (sorry I can't remember where) that MB defended the Bart woman and her help by saying she would welcome anyone who was trying to help find her daughter.  I think JessStar also indicated that LRC may not even be coming back. 
I had hoped and prayed this would be the weekend Lindsey would be brought home.  If not yesterday, maybe today.

Oh Lord, SISTER,b] Bart as in Michelle?? Has she got her mitts on this??? 
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« Reply #103 on: September 28, 2009, 02:33:10 PM »

Tracygirl,can't bump it sorry.  Maybe Janet can.  Anyway, if you look on the thread of KK you will see how you can read all of her posts.  You are absolutely correct.
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« Reply #104 on: September 28, 2009, 02:34:47 PM »

seems strange that MB would not even talk to the dog handler if I am reading this right...Why wouldn't she welcome any help?

I don't know, but no matter what kind of grief you are in, one would think you could talk to a person that was there to help 

I agree!  At least to be gracious and say thank you for helping.   

AZ, I remember reading somewhere (sorry I can't remember where) that MB defended the Bart woman and her help by saying she would welcome anyone who was trying to help find her daughter.  I think JessStar also indicated that LRC may not even be coming back. 
I had hoped and prayed this would be the weekend Lindsey would be brought home.  If not yesterday, maybe today.

Oh Lord, SISTER,b] Bart as in Michelle?? Has she got her mitts on this??? 

Yes, Fanny Mae, one and the same Michelle Bart.  Now doesn't that make you
 
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« Reply #105 on: September 28, 2009, 02:35:11 PM »

blonde moment but what does IIRC stand for?  i figured out IMO, yah me.. lol

IIRC means "if I recall correctly"
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« Reply #106 on: September 28, 2009, 02:35:43 PM »

I do not know this poster and ... without backup would most likely disregard his/her words but ... according to DD ... a search warrant issued this past weekend in the Lindsey Baum case listing a floral bathing suit implies ... in my opinion ... some connection.  However ... considering the quad/three wheeler witness states that Lindsey was wearing her bathing suit ... not jeans and a hoodie ... I do not believe the sighting on the quad/three wheeler took place after 9:30 PM on the evening of June 26, 2009.

Janet

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... I had heard from a friend who works at the ORV park that someone thinks they saw Lindsey on one of the trails in Capital Forest on Saturday wearing a pink floral bathing suit and with a man on a quad or 3 wheeler. My friend said they've been doing searches in that area and checking every vehicle coming in and out as best they can.

http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=15126&page=16

Hi, Janet.

I think the 26th was a Friday... so if the siting indeed did happen on Saturday it would be after she was apparently last seen.

Thank you Girlzrock.

There I go again ... scanning and not reading carefully.

Nevertheless ... on July 1, 2009 ... there was the above post implying Lindsey was sighted on a quad in the OVR park wearing a floral bathing suit and ... then there is the warrant regarding the search of this past weekend listing a floral bathing suit.  Was the recent search just about following up on tips as LE implied?  Should the sighting day have been Friday ... not Saturday?

I would be interesting to know if KONA's son owns a quad and ... if the young man had a connection with Lindsey prior to her going missing.

As I stated previous ... considering Lindsey was not wearing jeans and a hoodie in the OVR sighting ... I do not think the connection has anything to do with her disappearance following the 9:30 PM sighting of at 5th and Maple..

IMO

Janet

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Police have yet to find big break in case
By Steven Friederich
The Daily World
Sunday, September 27, 2009 1:14 AM PDT


Pimentel noted that although the search warrants are getting a lot of attention, the Sheriff’s Office has “served dozens of search warrants” during the course of the three-month investigation.

“This is just one tip we’ve received that we decided to follow up on out of thousands, literally, thousands of tips,” Pimentel said. “The people we talked to yesterday were among the hundreds and hundreds of people we’ve talked to, as well.”

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« Reply #107 on: September 28, 2009, 02:36:19 PM »



As for JB, LJ, and MK all walking with out knowing who would spend the night where ect,,, this was a common occurrance for jb and JL to walk MK home so she didnt walk alone and then they would back together.   If LJ had stayed over then JB being a 12 yr old boy coming back home alone the short distance wasnt such a big deal.


Sorry something is not connecting, never has. I think the question lies with Kara for allowing Lindsey to walk home alone....Yes we can all say, if she knew then what she knows now....however, why would she allow this which leads me to ask first, did she allow this?

LB was sent to walk by herself when all along the plan has been to not have a girl walk home, as stated by MM. hmmmm something smells a bit hinky, don't ya think!
    Way wrong

Did KaraK and her live in not have a vehicle? I am asking because she said Lindsey couldn't stay because they were planning a trip to the beach the next day to pick up seashells for candles. How were they going to get there? What would the problem have been to give Lindsey a short ride home?
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« Reply #108 on: September 28, 2009, 02:37:30 PM »

Yes sister that is all true, however, the fact that JB was sent with the girls and this being a normal occurance tends to point to the fact, it was not considered a safe thing for a girl to walk alone.

Sorry this just dawned on me last night and I am stuck on it. If the plan was for JB to walk LB back home if kara said no I guess there must be a plan on how LB would normally get home if Josh was not around, kwim?

1. the 3 kids take off to Kara's to see if Kayla could spend the night
2. the plan changed and Lindsey wanted to spend the night at Kayla's
3. Josh and Lindsey fight, josh is sent home (had to happen this way or JB wouldn't have known Lindsey was asking to spend the night there)
4. Kara's boyfriend says no thank you to the request
5 the original request of Kayla spending the night is thrown out the window?
6 Lindsey leaves to go home and kayla is said to watch her friend walk the few feet she could.

My question again is, was there a plan that was the same for Lindsey as there was for Kayla? Would Kayla nd her brother escort Lindsey home?
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« Reply #109 on: September 28, 2009, 02:37:42 PM »

Fanny Mae, apparent Bart doesn't live to far away.  When MB was asked about her, she said she wasn't paying her and was glad to have anyone's help!  Guess she forgot to add as long as it's not Mr. Oakes.
Shortcake, I think you're off in your direction just a wee bit. But gracious, thank you for looking!!!!
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« Reply #110 on: September 28, 2009, 02:41:19 PM »

Janet or KarmaR, do you see the post about the phone.  I just can't get it from there to here.  Sorry.
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« Reply #111 on: September 28, 2009, 02:41:33 PM »

I do believe KaraK has a car, MB's car was not working.
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« Reply #112 on: September 28, 2009, 02:43:07 PM »

I do believe KaraK has a car, MB's car was not working.

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« Reply #113 on: September 28, 2009, 02:44:28 PM »

my phone does this so I want to ask all who have cell phones...don't all miss calls register, even if you are charging your phone? Wouldn't Kara had known if MB called, she said she may have called...I think the only time my cell doesn't is if it is turned off, charging ='s turned off?
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« Reply #114 on: September 28, 2009, 02:45:51 PM »

I keep reading about Michelle bart, who is this person who has such a bad rap on here? Why is she trouble? I don't get it, can you explain?
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« Reply #115 on: September 28, 2009, 02:46:04 PM »

seems strange that MB would not even talk to the dog handler if I am reading this right...Why wouldn't she welcome any help?

I don't know, but no matter what kind of grief you are in, one would think you could talk to a person that was there to help 

I agree!  At least to be gracious and say thank you for helping.   

AZ, I remember reading somewhere (sorry I can't remember where) that MB defended the Bart woman and her help by saying she would welcome anyone who was trying to help find her daughter.  I think JessStar also indicated that LRC may not even be coming back. 
I had hoped and prayed this would be the weekend Lindsey would be brought home.  If not yesterday, maybe today.

Oh Lord, SISTER,b] Bart as in Michelle?? Has she got her mitts on this??? 

Yes, Fanny Mae, one and the same Michelle Bart.  Now doesn't that make you
 

And she REFUSED HO and TESS??!!  Yes I am being judgmental! Every thing I have seen written about how Melissa B is dealing with this it always states she sits on the porch all day WAITING for Lindsey to come home. So every one that drives by can see. Oh, come on! There is a medical term for this and I don't think it is bi-polar. And I will say it again, I AM being judgmental. I am WAY back on square one again....
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« Reply #116 on: September 28, 2009, 02:47:02 PM »

my phone does this so I want to ask all who have cell phones...don't all miss calls register, even if you are charging your phone? Wouldn't Kara had known if MB called, she said she may have called...I think the only time my cell doesn't is if it is turned off, charging ='s turned off?

Tracygirl, I only know about my phone.  It can be charged whether on or off.  It it is off, it will show a missed call and will even record a message.  But with all the phones on the market, it really is hard to accurately say.
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« Reply #117 on: September 28, 2009, 02:47:11 PM »

I keep reading about Michelle bart, who is this person who has such a bad rap on here? Why is she trouble? I don't get it, can you explain?

Just say "Anthony's!" Let me count the ways! 
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« Reply #118 on: September 28, 2009, 02:52:37 PM »

I think its just part of being human to assume you will know how you would handle a situation should you end up in it. However, until you are actually in that exact position, you don’t know how you will for sure. I always tell myself if someone comes into my store and tries to rob me, I will take the baseball bat to them and show them my trucker’s mouth. But at that moment when it’s happening, my fear may make me just cry and hand them over whatever they want.  So I feel it’s a little unfair to make any judgments on what MB has done. I can’t speak for her because I am not her but, I bet there are something’s she wishes she had done differently.

I see that some of you disagree with curfew time, or how MB didn’t call KK, ect.. Again here is something that you sound judgmental on. This is about finding Lindsey not how you disagree with the parenting. 

I said JB and LB walking MK home was a common occurrence. Not an ‘all the time’ occurrence. Again, it wasn’t the original plan for LJ to walk back alone if the spending the night wasn’t going to happen. If JB and LJ hadn’t argued, and the person hadn’t sent JB back home, then he would have been walking with her back home from MK’s.  And as it has already been stated, something like a child getting abducted wasn’t a thought from anyone in this town. Yes parents let their guard down but it doesn’t make them bad parents. 


 

Melissa ... why was the foreseeable dangers that lurk in Anytown, USA "not a thought".  Lindsey was a 10 year year old little girl.  Melissa Baum ... as the custodial parent ... had the ultimate responsibility to make the right choices in regards to Lindsey's well being.  However ... it seems that all the adults in Lindsey's life failed to protect her and ... that makes me angry.

Janet

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Multi-agency search for missing McCleary girl
10:37 PM PDT on Monday, June 29, 2009


"The worst case scenario-she's the victim of foul play or some type of predator behavior," said Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott

Officers have contacted nearby registered sex offenders, revealing no clues.  Although there is no known evidence of a crime, the FBI has now joined multiple other agencies in the investigation.

http://www.nwcn.com/statenews/washington/stories/NW_062909WAB-Mccleary-girl-missing-LJ.1a971644.html


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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg857135#msg857135


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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg857135
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« Reply #119 on: September 28, 2009, 02:52:47 PM »

seems strange that MB would not even talk to the dog handler if I am reading this right...Why wouldn't she welcome any help?

I don't know, but no matter what kind of grief you are in, one would think you could talk to a person that was there to help 

I agree!  At least to be gracious and say thank you for helping.   

AZ, I remember reading somewhere (sorry I can't remember where) that MB defended the Bart woman and her help by saying she would welcome anyone who was trying to help find her daughter.  I think JessStar also indicated that LRC may not even be coming back. 
I had hoped and prayed this would be the weekend Lindsey would be brought home.  If not yesterday, maybe today.

Oh Lord, SISTER,b] Bart as in Michelle?? Has she got her mitts on this??? 

Yes, Fanny Mae, one and the same Michelle Bart.  Now doesn't that make you
 

And she REFUSED HO and TESS??!!  Yes I am being judgmental! Every thing I have seen written about how Melissa B is dealing with this it always states she sits on the porch all day WAITING for Lindsey to come home. So every one that drives by can see. Oh, come on! There is a medical term for this and I don't think it is bi-polar. And I will say it again, I AM being judgmental. I am WAY back on square one again....

Fanny Mae, I know about Mr. Oakes, I have no knowledge about TESS.  According to MM, when TESS heard that LRC was coming TESS said they would wait.  Don't know if MM knows this factually or is just repeating what MB told her.  Now may be the time to get TESS here as it is my understanding that the people from LRC will probably not be returning.
There is every good reason to go back to square one again and try to start over with new glasses.  Laying aside what folks have thought, what are the facts, just the facts.  That, IMO, is how to proceed.  It is difficult not to superimpose what you think, but to look at only the facts is, in my experience, the best way to begin again.
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