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« Reply #1380 on: October 03, 2009, 10:52:35 AM »

If what it says is true in the SW, I can imagine how scared Melissa Baum was when he was following her that night  I just don't understand that at all, I know what it said in the SW, but I bet that woman was very upset, at least I would be 
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« Reply #1381 on: October 03, 2009, 10:53:47 AM »

This sure does not look good.

His Mom got a call for him from LE to do a phone interview,he was asleep,Mom calls LE back and says he left the home and gives LE his cell number.LE calls him and he says he was not working at BeeHive that Friday and Saturday but was working at his other job on June 26th even though he was spotted driving around town that Friday.

LE calls his other job and finds out he was on disciplinary leave from June 7th through June 27th.
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I have no idea whether or not this young man is involved in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum but ... I believe that LE were justified in their suspicions ... justified in searching the home/property where he resides.  I just do not understand what took them so long.

 

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Janet, based on what the officer was told, I too think LE was justified.  It is unfortunate that what the officer was told was not correct.  Now as to why it took them so long, only LE could really answer that, after all, they could have searched that property a long time ago without the warrant.  They were invited to come talk and search.  Anyway, let's pray this weekend brings Lindsey home.
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« Reply #1382 on: October 03, 2009, 10:56:00 AM »


No, it was not Dales appearence I was referring to, it is his myspace name.  shortcake
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« Reply #1383 on: October 03, 2009, 10:59:39 AM »


No, it was not Dales appearence I was referring to, it is his myspace name.  shortcake
There must be more that I'm not seeing, I can't log in to see more, because I don't have a password, so I take it there is something disturbing that I'm not seeing? 
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« Reply #1384 on: October 03, 2009, 10:59:45 AM »

Was there a pool at Dales house?
Good question    I don't know what is all going on, but after reading that SW, I don't know how one can't go away with some suspicion. I also have no idea why if none of this happened, why a person/people are after this guy 

I agree, and now if they were to end up arresting this kid they have released facts that have tainted the jury..IMO.  Still cant figure out why they would release this kind of into to the public...except that they are mad that kona is threatening a lawsuit.  MO

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In the Caylee Marie Anthony case ... all the press conferences as well as document and video releases convinces me that LE in the Lindsey Baum case were within legal boundaries with the release of the Search Warrant.

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« Reply #1385 on: October 03, 2009, 11:06:16 AM »


No, it was not Dales appearence I was referring to, it is his myspace name.  shortcake
There must be more that I'm not seeing, I can't log in to see more, because I don't have a password, so I take it there is something disturbing that I'm not seeing? 

The name after myspace.com/........  concerns me.  shortcake
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« Reply #1386 on: October 03, 2009, 11:07:52 AM »

Was there a pool at Dales house?
Good question    I don't know what is all going on, but after reading that SW, I don't know how one can't go away with some suspicion. I also have no idea why if none of this happened, why a person/people are after this guy 

I agree, and now if they were to end up arresting this kid they have released facts that have tainted the jury..IMO.  Still cant figure out why they would release this kind of into to the public...except that they are mad that kona is threatening a lawsuit.  MO

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In the Caylee Marie Anthony case ... all the press conferences as well as document and video releases convinces me that LE in the Lindsey Baum case were within legal boundaries with the release of the Search Warrant.

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Janet - thank you...i had completly forgotten most of this info is in the SW's.  So this info would have never gotten out if the SW's were sealed.  Anyone know how they determine whether or not to seal these?
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« Reply #1387 on: October 03, 2009, 11:07:54 AM »

Was there a pool at Dales house?
Good question    I don't know what is all going on, but after reading that SW, I don't know how one can't go away with some suspicion. I also have no idea why if none of this happened, why a person/people are after this guy 

I agree, and now if they were to end up arresting this kid they have released facts that have tainted the jury..IMO.  Still cant figure out why they would release this kind of into to the public...except that they are mad that kona is threatening a lawsuit.  MO

If in fact all of this is based on lies, a grudge or vendetta by some, a series of misunderstandings from several sources about several events than this man has one heck of a liable lawsuit that he could file.  If LE has verified that what he had said was taken out of context, there was no rape, he was at work then they have moved on with their investigation and it is the media that is running with this. A media who have pretty much dropped coverage of Lindsey until lately.  We have checked everyone up and down the street, as well as others .  There is a whole thread about that.  We were asked not to post names as no POI was mentioned when the search warrant was served.  There was a POI announced via the media and yet we still are no further ahead in finding Lindsey and IMO everyone is very cautious about investigating this person.  It would seem to me that we will not get off this person until we do what we always do and that is research him.  If we find nothing then we will move on as we always do.   JMO
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« Reply #1388 on: October 03, 2009, 11:11:12 AM »

does anyone know how many search warrants have been served in this case?  this one seemed to have gotten the most attention...that would make me believe this is their strongest lead in this case, so I still dont get why it took them a month to even interview Dale    
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« Reply #1389 on: October 03, 2009, 11:11:22 AM »

i see my point was well made the past couple days. its good to know that while everyone respects dd u still have opinions that run a diff direction.

i browsed thru the posts quickly and saw my name a couple times so if u have questions for me ask again as i dont have time to go back thru them all sorry,,,  i need to have paper and pen handy next time i am gone a couple days from posting.

fingers crosses for a good search today!!

i have to get ready for work and take care of baby but i wil be back later to address things,, couple things that come to mind is mb's house searched and ML, oh and tracygrl asked about kids playing i think
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« Reply #1390 on: October 03, 2009, 11:12:51 AM »

Was there a pool at Dales house?
Good question    I don't know what is all going on, but after reading that SW, I don't know how one can't go away with some suspicion. I also have no idea why if none of this happened, why a person/people are after this guy 

I agree, and now if they were to end up arresting this kid they have released facts that have tainted the jury..IMO.  Still cant figure out why they would release this kind of into to the public...except that they are mad that kona is threatening a lawsuit.  MO

If in fact all of this is based on lies, a grudge or vendetta by some, a series of misunderstandings from several sources about several events than this man has one heck of a liable lawsuit that he could file.  If LE has verified that what he had said was taken out of context, there was no rape, he was at work then they have moved on with their investigation and it is the media that is running with this. A media who have pretty much dropped coverage of Lindsey until lately.  We have checked everyone up and down the street, as well as others .  There is a whole thread about that.  We were asked not to post names as no POI was mentioned when the search warrant was served.  There was a POI announced via the media and yet we still are no further ahead in finding Lindsey and IMO everyone is very cautious about investigating this person.  It would seem to me that we will not get off this person until we do what we always do and that is research him.  If we find nothing then we will move on as we always do.   JMO
I totally agree with you    And Leroy, hopefully JessStar will pop on and answer the question about the search warrant, and it being sealed or not. I think the judge determines that, but don't know for sure 
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« Reply #1391 on: October 03, 2009, 11:16:42 AM »

I have heard that the judge has a personal conflict with Dale...so if the judge decides if the SW is sealed or not, well then I'm not surprised it was released.
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« Reply #1392 on: October 03, 2009, 11:21:11 AM »

I am still wondering about AZSunnys question - if the test results aren't back, how can they clear him now?
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« Reply #1393 on: October 03, 2009, 11:24:30 AM »

I have heard that the judge has a personal conflict with Dale...so if the judge decides if the SW is sealed or not, well then I'm not surprised it was released.

What/Who was the source that claimed that there was a conflict of interest which deemed the Judge should not have been in a position to give his consent to the search warrant?

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« Reply #1394 on: October 03, 2009, 11:25:30 AM »

DD, is this you???

 
Warrants released in Baum case
BY JACOB JONES
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Saturday, October 3, 2009 2:17 AM PDT
 
 
A newly released search warrant in the case for missing 11-year-old Lindsey Baum outlines suspicious activity and inconsistent statements that led investigators to a home outside McCleary last weekend.

The warrant includes statements from friends and family regarding a man at the residence in connection with strange phone activity, disturbing conversations involving Lindsey, conflicting alibis and a past accusation of sexual assault.

In the court filing, investigators say they believe Lindsey has been kidnapped, and after what they have refered to as a “credible” tip, believed they would find evidence of her kidnapping at the home.

The Grays Harbor Sheriff’s Office has since announced it could not find any evidence of wrongdoing. Some forensic samples taken at the home and a neighboring property on Sept. 25 along Foreman Road still await testing. Results could take months.

Lindsey went missing on June 26 while walking a short distance from her friend’s house in McCleary along a house-lined street at dusk. Despite two confirmed sightings of her within blocks of her house, she never made it home and investigators have not yet been able to explain her disappearance.

The search warrant, released Friday, lists dozens of items investigators were looking for as potential evidence, ranging from clothing matching Lindsey’s to weapons to cars on the property.

Attempts to contact the man and family members Friday via e-mail were not returned.

In news reports after the search warrants were executed, the owner of the property said he’s contacted a lawyer about suing the police and the media, saying they had no right to put the family through the search.
 

 


Much of the warrant lists suspicious reports focusing on a man at the home, who is not being named because he has not been arrested or charged with any crime.

Investigators say he fixated on Lindsey’s disappearance in the days after she went missing and made disturbing comments about believing the girl had been murdered when most authorities still thought her to be lost.

“(The man) told (a friend) he could not believe that a girl had been taken and cut up and dismembered,” the warrant stated. “It should be noted that the media and investigators did not believe that Baum was the victim of a crime until the week following her disappearance.”

A friend also reported the man became “agitated” when investigators questioned him about the case, the warrant stated. He “obsessed” about Lindsey and the possibility she had been kidnapped, the court papers said.

The warrant also lists the man as a suspect in an alleged attempted rape in 2000 when he was a teenager. The man allegedly allowed several children to watch pornography before barricading a 12-year-old girl in a room and trying to rape her. The girl’s friends reported the alleged assault, but the girl declined to make a statement to police at the time.

“She said that she cried and struggled and after about two hours he released her,” the alleged victim recently told investigators when interviewed because of the Baum case.

The warrant states police officers also stopped the man on July 31 when Lindsey’s mother reported his vehicle following her. The man said he thought the mother had been acting suspiciously.

A car similar to the man’s vehicle was reportedly seen shortly before Lindsey’s disappearance near the intersection on Maple Street where she was last spotted, according to the warrant. The man also worked part-time at a business nearby, one that Baum had been in often.

When contacted by investigators, the man reported he had been at a second job in Olympia on the night of the disappearance, according to the warrant. The man’s supervisor at that job told investigators the man was suspended during that time and could not have been working.

When confronted with the inconsistency, the man provided a second alibi that investigators could not verify.

The warrant also outlines suspicious phone activity that stops suddenly at about the time Lindsey disappeared.

“This is contrary to the pattern of cell phone usage shown in (the man’s) cell phone records,” the warrant stated. “He normally has frequent cell phone activity until at least midnight or 1 a.m. each day.”

A person identifying him or herself as a friend of the man’s family in an online forum said the family has always cooperated with investigators and has actively tried to help with the search for Lindsey.

“Someone has found someone to blame,” the poster wrote. “This is ridiculous.”

The poster said the family has been upset by the allegations and has had people trespassing on the property since the searches were launched.

“This is all utter nonsense,” the poster wrote.


Lindsey Baum is 4-foot-9 with brown eyes and brown hair. She was wearing a blue shirt and jeans when she disappeared.

 
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« Reply #1395 on: October 03, 2009, 11:27:10 AM »

LE received some information from a person or persons that was either telling the truth or not.
Throw in that he said he was working and he was on leave.
Add in the old issue where a police report was filed when he was 14.
Toss in that he was following Ms. Baum.
Maybe he's an odd duck who might set off townsperson's hinky meters. Given the situation they are probably looking at each other asking " Could it be this guy ? " And then giving themselves reasons for making a person into the perp.
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LE would have been remisss if they didn't look at this person with a magnifying glass. Maybe they could have / should have checked him out and questioned him and then wrote up the SW, I don't know.
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Did anyone ever determine where he was that night ?
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And, going back to the Sanda Cantu case, didn't they put cars on flatbed trucks that belonged to persons who had no connection to the case ?
It happens.
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I understand the parents for being upset, but they have made their case and should be quiet for a while.
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« Reply #1396 on: October 03, 2009, 11:27:37 AM »

I wish we would find out something, the more I look at that SW    Is that all lies?

I hope something comes out of the search this weekend   an angelic monkey 
AMEN!  I live further north in Canada and we are expecting snow today.  The clues to Lindsey as well as Lindsey must be found NOW or they may never be found once winter hits , spring run off, animals, etc.....
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« Reply #1397 on: October 03, 2009, 11:28:28 AM »

I have heard that the judge has a personal conflict with Dale...so if the judge decides if the SW is sealed or not, well then I'm not surprised it was released.

What/Who was the source that claimed that there was a conflict of interest which deemed the Judge should not have been in a position to give his consent to the search warrant?

Janet

It was said by one of the locals...let me see if I can go find it.
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« Reply #1398 on: October 03, 2009, 11:32:37 AM »

I don't come across some times with what I mean.  The LE did not say this person was ruled out.  Just, they have NO suspects or POI's.  Maybe they have a list of people to watch??  Or if you wish to believe, he is ruled out.  NO, I believe he is still ruled in until I hear the LE say he is ruled out.  shortcake
Can someone please post the full article or link to it saying this person is cleared(if not already posted,I'm behind)
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« Reply #1399 on: October 03, 2009, 11:33:27 AM »

LE received some information from a person or persons that was either telling the truth or not.
Throw in that he said he was working and he was on leave.
Add in the old issue where a police report was filed when he was 14.
Toss in that he was following Ms. Baum.
Maybe he's an odd duck who might set off townsperson's hinky meters. Given the situation they are probably looking at each other asking " Could it be this guy ? " And then giving themselves reasons for making a person into the perp.
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LE would have been remisss if they didn't look at this person with a magnifying glass. Maybe they could have / should have checked him out and questioned him and then wrote up the SW, I don't know.
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Did anyone ever determine where he was that night ?
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And, going back to the Sanda Cantu case, didn't they put cars on flatbed trucks that belonged to persons who had no connection to the case ?
It happens.
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I understand the parents for being upset, but they have made their case and should be quiet for a while.
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Kat - i dont know the answer to your question but i agree with the last statement.  If this kid is innocent then lets move on right?!  Why be so angry that your house was searched and nothing was found? I feel bad this happened to the family however I dont understand them filing a lawsuit.  If everyone innocent person in any case has their property searched, and nothing was found, and they all filed lawsuits, then LE will be so cautious about doing it and if my child goes missing I certainly hope LE holds back in fear they could be sued.

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