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« Reply #1420 on: October 03, 2009, 11:57:16 AM »

This sure does not look good.

His Mom got a call for him from LE to do a phone interview,he was asleep,Mom calls LE back and says he left the home and gives LE his cell number.LE calls him and he says he was not working at BeeHive that Friday and Saturday but was working at his other job on June 26th even though he was spotted driving around town that Friday.

LE calls his other job and finds out he was on disciplinary leave from June 7th through June 27th.
OMG......

I have no idea whether or not this young man is involved in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum but ... I believe that LE were justified in their suspicions ... justified in searching the home/property where he resides.  I just do not understand what took them so long.

 

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I agree
Unless we are to believe his boss at the campground lied,his exgirlfriend or current girlfriend lied,Melissa Baum lied about him following her,LE is lying about their suspicions and LE and the Judge lied,illegally,just to get this search warrant,the now 21 year old girl and her siblings all lied back in 2000,lied about being made to watch porn and lied about being held in a bedroom at the age of 12 while your babysitter tried to rape you,JenniferO lied about seeing Dale and his car at the Shell station during last night's search and his drivers door was working just fine(from witnesses that saw him and his car there).

I'm not going to apologize for having my suspicions about Dale Golder,not even if it turns out that all of the above is true because all I am doing is what I would do in any missing child case......no matter who is investigating it and no matter who is communicating with whom.
We all have opinions and are allowed to express them.
That is what I did above.
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« Reply #1421 on: October 03, 2009, 11:57:34 AM »

Police probe conflicting alibis in Baum case

MCCLEARY, Wash. -- A man's conflicting stories to acquaintances were among the factors that led to the issuance of a search warrant in the Lindsey Baum case, according to an affidavit in support of the warrant obtained by KOMO News.

The court documents identify as a person of interest a man connected to the properties searched last week.

Writing in the affidavit filed in Grays Harbor County Superior Court, a detective said he believed Lindsey had been kidnapped and that evidence would be found at the properties.

Lindsey disappeared the evening of June 26 while walking home from a friend's house in the small mill town of McCleary.

According to the affidavit, a person contacted investigators more than a month after the girl disappeared with information that led detectives to identify the man as a person of interest.

The tipster said the man always drove a distinctive car with a loud exhaust, and found it suspicious that the man stopped driving the vehicle after Lindsey disappeared.

Another person told detectives that they saw the vehicle near where Lindsey was last seen the night she vanished.

One person told police the man acted strangely after the night of Lindsey's disappearance and seemed to disappear himself.

"(The person said) that his behavior had changed since the day of the disappearance. He had not come around as much," said Sgt. Steve Shumate with the Grays Harbor Sheriff's Office.

But what really sparked the detective's interest is what the young man allegedly told his girlfriend the day after Lindsey disappeared.

"(He) told her he could not believe that a girl had been taken and cut up and dismembered," according to the search warrant.

At that point, however, even detectives didn't believe Lindsey had been a victim of a crime.

"The media and investigators did not believe that Baum was a victim of a crime until the week following her disappearance," the document said.

"For somebody to make a statement of that nature the following day of this disappearance, it is very unusual," Shumate said.

Detectives have not found any evidence to indicate the missing girl is no longer alive.

According to the court document, detectives have received multiple conflicting statements about where the person of interest was on the night of June 26.

Investigators wrote that the man told them he was working a second job at the time, but the business told detectives he hadn't
been there in weeks.

KOMO News is not naming the man since he has not been arrested.

The search warrants were served Sept. 25 at several properties in the McCleary area.

At one site, FBI investigators in protective clothing were probing an area near an old, abandoned house and large shed about one mile southwest of McCleary.

Among the Items seized were two sex toys, several used condoms, a bag of children's clothing, computers, bed sheets, blankets, and a newspaper with a story about Lindsey.

Anxious mother, searchers not giving up hope

Back at search headquarters, waiting is torture for Lindsey's mother, Melissa Baum. But on Friday, Melissa was hopeful after learning police have a person of interest.

"I'm hoping they'll find her and give her back," she said.

Three months and one week after her 11-year-old daughter vanished on her walk home, locals are determined not to let up on the hunt for clues.

"It could happen to anyone, and (I) hope they'd be there for me, too," said Rebecca Watts.

Volunteers from all over the region, from Packwood to Seattle have joined in the search. Jen Page is a mother who drove 90 miles to help look for Lindsey.

"I can easily imagine how how hard it is, and this is the least I can do," she said.

Searchers plan to continue looking for the missing girl throughout the weekend.

Some staff members of "The Oprah Show" met with Melissa Baum on Friday, but it is not yet known for certain whether the case will receive national coverage.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/63303447.html

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This answers my FBI question.

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« Reply #1422 on: October 03, 2009, 12:00:51 PM »

Wow!  Still people defending Dale Golder.  It's obvious he has serious issues, and people are trying to cover for him.  There are way too many things pointing at him as being the one respnsible for Lindsey's demise.  So sad.  Poor Lindsey.  "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

I'm just curious, do you know this guy personally? I will say the guy is very disturbing to me on a couple of levels, and my feelings about him I will keep to myself. I'm also curious what the towns people are saying about this guy, neighbors, coworkers?
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« Reply #1423 on: October 03, 2009, 12:00:58 PM »

Was there a pool at Dales house?
Good question    I don't know what is all going on, but after reading that SW, I don't know how one can't go away with some suspicion. I also have no idea why if none of this happened, why a person/people are after this guy 

I agree, and now if they were to end up arresting this kid they have released facts that have tainted the jury..IMO.  Still cant figure out why they would release this kind of into to the public...except that they are mad that kona is threatening a lawsuit.  MO

If in fact all of this is based on lies, a grudge or vendetta by some, a series of misunderstandings from several sources about several events than this man has one heck of a liable lawsuit that he could file.  If LE has verified that what he had said was taken out of context, there was no rape, he was at work then they have moved on with their investigation and it is the media that is running with this. A media who have pretty much dropped coverage of Lindsey until lately.  We have checked everyone up and down the street, as well as others .  There is a whole thread about that.  We were asked not to post names as no POI was mentioned when the search warrant was served.  There was a POI announced via the media and yet we still are no further ahead in finding Lindsey and IMO everyone is very cautious about investigating this person.  It would seem to me that we will not get off this person until we do what we always do and that is research him.  If we find nothing then we will move on as we always do.   JMO
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« Reply #1424 on: October 03, 2009, 12:01:56 PM »

That leaves me with my pool question.  Someone stated they fill it up for the summer as their well runs dry. When is it usually filled and what is the source of the water they use?  I want to confirm that it is an above ground pool, which I think I saw when they were searching the two properties.  I believe I saw an above ground round pool that looked to be at least 18' round possibly 21'.
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« Reply #1425 on: October 03, 2009, 12:03:11 PM »

I have heard that the judge has a personal conflict with Dale...so if the judge decides if the SW is sealed or not, well then I'm not surprised it was released.

What/Who was the source that claimed that there was a conflict of interest which deemed the Judge should not have been in a position to give his consent to the search warrant?

Janet

It was said by one of the locals...let me see if I can go find it.

Thanks Leroy.

If a conflict of interest on the part of the judge is suspected ... then there should be an investigation.

Janet


Okay, this is where i heard this......here is DD's post:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.msg960610#msg960610

hi Scandi... I have always respected your postings and reasoning, have seen you work on many cases over the years.

yes they have to have probable cause.  I do believe you will be surprised when it comes out that the judge has a DIRECT CONFLICT with the family over personal matters.  This will be brought up to the attorney for the family.  It is POSSIBLE someone's personal conflict got in the way of good judgement.  I would really hope not, but this judge should never have been the one to okay the warrants in the first place.  The conflict has to do with personal problems between the two families, NOT ANYTHING "LEGAL" at all.  some old deep wounds there between his family and the family he signed the search warrant for. 

so let's see what becomes of this. 

again Scandi.  Always enjoyed seeing your posts. 
 
 
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« Reply #1426 on: October 03, 2009, 12:03:16 PM »

Wow!  Still people defending Dale Golder.  It's obvious he has serious issues, and people are trying to cover for him.  There are way too many things pointing at him as being the one respnsible for Lindsey's demise.  So sad.  Poor Lindsey.  "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

I'm just curious, do you know this guy personally? I will say the guy is very disturbing to me on a couple of levels, and my feelings about him I will keep to myself. I'm also curious what the towns people are saying about this guy, neighbors, coworkers?

No, I don't know him, and thank God for that.  He is VERY disturbing, and I am sick of people covering for him.  This guy is dangerous, and it's obvious.  I am crying for Lindsey.
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« Reply #1427 on: October 03, 2009, 12:04:43 PM »

I would only be sticking up for this guy if I was in his physical presence that night. IMO, LE had alot of reasons down on paper to look at him. The family should see a lawyer to see if there is anything they can do. They have stated their case to the public and the media.
It does happen that persons are stitched up by this kind of thing. Sometimes, they go to jail ( at least here in Canada they do ) based on the same type of thing. A case I am thinking of is David Milgard. And Thomas Sophanow.
What will exonerate this person is finding Lindsay and that is seems is what LE was trying to do.   
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« Reply #1428 on: October 03, 2009, 12:05:46 PM »

Wow!  Still people defending Dale Golder.  It's obvious he has serious issues, and people are trying to cover for him.  There are way too many things pointing at him as being the one respnsible for Lindsey's demise.  So sad.  Poor Lindsey.  "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

I'm just curious, do you know this guy personally? I will say the guy is very disturbing to me on a couple of levels, and my feelings about him I will keep to myself. I'm also curious what the towns people are saying about this guy, neighbors, coworkers?

No, I don't know him, and thank God for that.  He is VERY disturbing, and I am sick of people covering for him.  This guy is dangerous, and it's obvious.  I am crying for Lindsey.

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« Reply #1429 on: October 03, 2009, 12:08:23 PM »

Well, Happy Saturday y'all. I have to leave to get some stuff done.
 
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« Reply #1430 on: October 03, 2009, 12:08:36 PM »

I am praying that the 500 people Ron and Don thought would show up to search today will show up.  This should generate alot of TV coverage for Lindsey.  Hopefully they will find Lindsey, or some clues to her disappearance.   Prayers for Lindsey........
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« Reply #1431 on: October 03, 2009, 12:08:46 PM »

This sure does not look good.

His Mom got a call for him from LE to do a phone interview,he was asleep,Mom calls LE back and says he left the home and gives LE his cell number.LE calls him and he says he was not working at BeeHive that Friday and Saturday but was working at his other job on June 26th even though he was spotted driving around town that Friday.

LE calls his other job and finds out he was on disciplinary leave from June 7th through June 27th.
OMG......

I have no idea whether or not this young man is involved in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum but ... I believe that LE were justified in their suspicions ... justified in searching the home/property where he resides.  I just do not understand what took them so long.

 

Janet

I agree
Unless we are to believe his boss at the campground lied,his exgirlfriend or current girlfriend lied,Melissa Baum lied about him following her,LE is lying about their suspicions and LE and the Judge lied,illegally,just to get this search warrant,the now 21 year old girl and her siblings all lied back in 2000,lied about being made to watch porn and lied about being held in a bedroom at the age of 12 while your babysitter tried to rape you,JenniferO lied about seeing Dale and his car at the Shell station during last night's search and his drivers door was working just fine(from witnesses that saw him and his car there).

I'm not going to apologize for having my suspicions about Dale Golder,not even if it turns out that all of the above is true because all I am doing is what I would do in any missing child case......no matter who is investigating it and no matter who is communicating with whom.
We all have opinions and are allowed to express them.
That is what I did above.
Wow!!  Where was his other job at(campground).  Anybody know the name of the campground?  This is a very interesting development if true.  shortcake 
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« Reply #1432 on: October 03, 2009, 12:09:34 PM »

This sure does not look good.

His Mom got a call for him from LE to do a phone interview,he was asleep,Mom calls LE back and says he left the home and gives LE his cell number.LE calls him and he says he was not working at BeeHive that Friday and Saturday but was working at his other job on June 26th even though he was spotted driving around town that Friday.

LE calls his other job and finds out he was on disciplinary leave from June 7th through June 27th.
OMG......

I have no idea whether or not this young man is involved in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum but ... I believe that LE were justified in their suspicions ... justified in searching the home/property where he resides.  I just do not understand what took them so long.

 

Janet

I agree
Unless we are to believe his boss at the campground lied,his exgirlfriend or current girlfriend lied,Melissa Baum lied about him following her,LE is lying about their suspicions and LE and the Judge lied,illegally,just to get this search warrant,the now 21 year old girl and her siblings all lied back in 2000,lied about being made to watch porn and lied about being held in a bedroom at the age of 12 while your babysitter tried to rape you,JenniferO lied about seeing Dale and his car at the Shell station during last night's search and his drivers door was working just fine(from witnesses that saw him and his car there).

I'm not going to apologize for having my suspicions about Dale Golder,not even if it turns out that all of the above is true because all I am doing is what I would do in any missing child case......no matter who is investigating it and no matter who is communicating with whom.
We all have opinions and are allowed to express them.
That is what I did above.

Karma - I just dont know what to think anymore....i hope LE is getting more credible tips no matter who they lead to....leave no stone unturned at this point.
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« Reply #1433 on: October 03, 2009, 12:09:57 PM »

This sure does not look good.

His Mom got a call for him from LE to do a phone interview,he was asleep,Mom calls LE back and says he left the home and gives LE his cell number.LE calls him and he says he was not working at BeeHive that Friday and Saturday but was working at his other job on June 26th even though he was spotted driving around town that Friday.

LE calls his other job and finds out he was on disciplinary leave from June 7th through June 27th.
OMG......

I have no idea whether or not this young man is involved in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum but ... I believe that LE were justified in their suspicions ... justified in searching the home/property where he resides.  I just do not understand what took them so long.

 

Janet


I agree

Unless we are to believe his boss at the campground lied,his exgirlfriend or current girlfriend lied,Melissa Baum lied about him following her,LE is lying about their suspicions and LE and the Judge lied,illegally,just to get this search warrant,the now 21 year old girl and her siblings all lied back in 2000,lied about being made to watch porn and lied about being held in a bedroom at the age of 12 while your babysitter tried to rape you,JenniferO lied about seeing Dale and his car at the Shell station during last night's search and his drivers door was working just fine(from witnesses that saw him and his car there).

I'm not going to apologize for having my suspicions about Dale Golder,not even if it turns out that all of the above is true because all I am doing is what I would do in any missing child case......no matter who is investigating it and no matter who is communicating with whom.
We all have opinions and are allowed to express them.
That is what I did above.

 

There was a witness sighting of this young man and his vehicle at the Shell station on the evening that Lindsey went missing???

From the getgo ... I have suspected that Lindsey stopped at the Shell station on her way home to rerieve the bike that had been left there earlier following the argument with her brother and ... met up with foul play.

I concede that my ongoing suspicions regarding Josh Baum has now wavered.

Karma ... you are right.  Logic dictates that EVERYBODY is not lying ... attempting to implicate Dale ... attempting to obstruct the investigation into the disappearance of a little girl.

Janet
 
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« Reply #1434 on: October 03, 2009, 12:10:09 PM »

Wow!  Still people defending Dale Golder.  It's obvious he has serious issues, and people are trying to cover for him.  There are way too many things pointing at him as being the one respnsible for Lindsey's demise.  So sad.  Poor Lindsey.  "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

I'm just curious, do you know this guy personally? I will say the guy is very disturbing to me on a couple of levels, and my feelings about him I will keep to myself. I'm also curious what the towns people are saying about this guy, neighbors, coworkers?

No, I don't know him, and thank God for that.  He is VERY disturbing, and I am sick of people covering for him.  This guy is dangerous, and it's obvious.  I am crying for Lindsey.

Recovering do you live in the McCleary/Elma area? 

Nope.  I have just been following this case like all of you, and I've seen the blatant attempts to cover up for Dale.  It's sad.
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« Reply #1435 on: October 03, 2009, 12:12:10 PM »

I have heard that the judge has a personal conflict with Dale...so if the judge decides if the SW is sealed or not, well then I'm not surprised it was released.

What/Who was the source that claimed that there was a conflict of interest which deemed the Judge should not have been in a position to give his consent to the search warrant?

Janet

It was said by one of the locals...let me see if I can go find it.

Thanks Leroy.

If a conflict of interest on the part of the judge is suspected ... then there should be an investigation.

Janet


Is the FBI still involved?
I think the FBI signed these search warrants.
The info about the Judge having a conflict with Dale comes from DD.
I too would like to know what that conflict is.
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« Reply #1436 on: October 03, 2009, 12:13:11 PM »

This sure does not look good.

His Mom got a call for him from LE to do a phone interview,he was asleep,Mom calls LE back and says he left the home and gives LE his cell number.LE calls him and he says he was not working at BeeHive that Friday and Saturday but was working at his other job on June 26th even though he was spotted driving around town that Friday.

LE calls his other job and finds out he was on disciplinary leave from June 7th through June 27th.
OMG......

I have no idea whether or not this young man is involved in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum but ... I believe that LE were justified in their suspicions ... justified in searching the home/property where he resides.  I just do not understand what took them so long.

 

Janet


I agree

Unless we are to believe his boss at the campground lied,his exgirlfriend or current girlfriend lied,Melissa Baum lied about him following her,LE is lying about their suspicions and LE and the Judge lied,illegally,just to get this search warrant,the now 21 year old girl and her siblings all lied back in 2000,lied about being made to watch porn and lied about being held in a bedroom at the age of 12 while your babysitter tried to rape you,JenniferO lied about seeing Dale and his car at the Shell station during last night's search and his drivers door was working just fine(from witnesses that saw him and his car there).

I'm not going to apologize for having my suspicions about Dale Golder,not even if it turns out that all of the above is true because all I am doing is what I would do in any missing child case......no matter who is investigating it and no matter who is communicating with whom.
We all have opinions and are allowed to express them.
That is what I did above.

 

There was a witness sighting of this young man and his vehicle at the Shell station on the evening that Lindsey went missing???

From the getgo ... I have suspected that Lindsey stopped at the Shell station on her way home to rerieve the bike that had been left there earlier following the argument with her brother and ... met up with foul play.

I concede that my ongoing suspicions regarding Josh Baum has now wavered.

Karma ... you are right.  Logic dictates that EVERYBODY is not lying ... attempting to implicate Dale ... attempting to obstruct the investigation into the disappearance of a little girl.

Janet
 

Janet - I read this as they saw him last night...not the night she went missing.  Karma- can you clarify.  Thanks.
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« Reply #1437 on: October 03, 2009, 12:13:17 PM »

Well, Happy Saturday y'all. I have to leave to get some stuff done.
 

Happy Saturday to you too Kat.  Happy Saturday from one Canuck to another.

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« Reply #1438 on: October 03, 2009, 12:13:34 PM »

If what it says is true in the SW, I can imagine how scared Melissa Baum was when he was following her that night  I just don't understand that at all, I know what it said in the SW, but I bet that woman was very upset, at least I would be 


Here is ONE of the things that jumped out at me on that search warrant

 MB has stated dale was following her around in her car, I would like to know how she was driving that car when she said it did not work... the ONLY reason I never really put MB high on my list of people to look at is because she had no car running, and it would be pretty impossible for her to hide a body if she had to drag it down the street and way out into the woods herself without a vehicle.  But now it comes out her car was actually running and she was driving it, because she herself stated dale was following her around town... so hmmm, if her car was actually running, she goes right up to the top of my list now.  This woman shows all the signs of someone guilty, the only thing that kept me from thinking she might be was I could not figure out how in the world she could hide a body if she had no vehicle.  Well, now we see she really did have a vehicle.  So back to MB and take a good look at her too.

Kara had stated that MB's car could not be driven because the key was broken off in the ignition.  So everyone assumed MB had no transportation of her own.  Because of this, I figured there is no way she could dispose of a body.  I do know that you can take a screwdriver and still twist the ignition even if the key is broken off in it, but I gave MB the benefit of the doubt because I assumed she probably did not know you could do this.  Now I really have to go back and wonder, how is she driving that car, when she herself says Dale was following her, if in fact her car would not drive?  We now see, yes she was driving it.  So again, another lie... her car was running, she was driving it, therefore, she was capable of hiding a body. 

After reading the search warrant, we also find that lindsey's swimsuit is missing. This is a little perplexing to say the least.  I have not had time to figure this out, but will be taking the time to do it now. 

If nothing else on that SW stands out to me, it is these two things that were obviously lied about for 3 months, that has me right back to square #1 and MB.. Being all the other underlying circumstance concerning MB, and some of those in emails to me directly from her, and statements made to me directly from KK, MM, and JennO, and other information I have concerning how all of mb's own family feels about her actions, and the information about how MB never wanted HO to come help search, and how she would never even so much as come out of the house to introduce herself, how she got mad at her sister for even requesting the services of HO, how she acts(although this alone would not be something we can know how anyone might act if in this situation, however in combination with everything else), all adds up to one really strange situation. 

Right now I am going to take ONE VERY HARD look at MB.  If she had access to a running vehicle, which now we know without a doubt she did, as she admits in the search warran when trying to point at Dale, then this changes everything about her ability to hide a body.  And when she says she "believe lindsey is right UNDER HER NOSE", I believe lindsey is. 

you have no idea the emails I have from MB... it took about the first two of them to start asking what the heck is wrong with her.  I ever ask MB the same thing.  It was so bizarre, I quit emailing her.  I thought the poor woman must be so unable to cope, she was acting like she could care less about lindsey, but I thought it was her way of coping and I did not wish to bother her.  But I clearly believe now it was NOT her way of coping, after talking to others, and NOW that I know for a fact her car was running and that she did IN FACT have the ability to hide a body... I have to agree with her when she says Lindsey is right under her nose.  I can see exactly how she could have hidden lindsey. 

might also make sense why lindsey's room is taped off as a "crime scene", which that never made sense to me either.  But it does now.
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« Reply #1439 on: October 03, 2009, 12:14:42 PM »

Was there a pool at Dales house?
Good question    I don't know what is all going on, but after reading that SW, I don't know how one can't go away with some suspicion. I also have no idea why if none of this happened, why a person/people are after this guy 

I agree, and now if they were to end up arresting this kid they have released facts that have tainted the jury..IMO.  Still cant figure out why they would release this kind of into to the public...except that they are mad that kona is threatening a lawsuit.  MO
Last Friday when they had the search warrant and started the searches,they said the warrants would be released in 5 days.........a few days before a law suit was talked about.
Thanks, I do remember that now. I'm concerned about what it says in the SW and his telephone calls, seems odd. Again, I will sit back and wait, but I do have to say this doesn't look good. And also now I am even more curious about the porno mags that were taken out of the house, and the vibrator  I would just like to know if this guy is being set up, why? Who in that town has a vendetta on the family?
Seems like if this is a setup the LE are involved too.Those phone records don't lie........unless the local phone company is lying also.
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