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« Reply #1440 on: October 03, 2009, 12:15:03 PM »

This sure does not look good.

His Mom got a call for him from LE to do a phone interview,he was asleep,Mom calls LE back and says he left the home and gives LE his cell number.LE calls him and he says he was not working at BeeHive that Friday and Saturday but was working at his other job on June 26th even though he was spotted driving around town that Friday.

LE calls his other job and finds out he was on disciplinary leave from June 7th through June 27th.
OMG......

I have no idea whether or not this young man is involved in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum but ... I believe that LE were justified in their suspicions ... justified in searching the home/property where he resides.  I just do not understand what took them so long.

 

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I agree

Unless we are to believe his boss at the campground lied,his exgirlfriend or current girlfriend lied,Melissa Baum lied about him following her,LE is lying about their suspicions and LE and the Judge lied,illegally,just to get this search warrant,the now 21 year old girl and her siblings all lied back in 2000,lied about being made to watch porn and lied about being held in a bedroom at the age of 12 while your babysitter tried to rape you,JenniferO lied about seeing Dale and his car at the Shell station during last night's search and his drivers door was working just fine(from witnesses that saw him and his car there).

I'm not going to apologize for having my suspicions about Dale Golder,not even if it turns out that all of the above is true because all I am doing is what I would do in any missing child case......no matter who is investigating it and no matter who is communicating with whom.
We all have opinions and are allowed to express them.
That is what I did above.

 

There was a witness sighting of this young man and his vehicle at the Shell station on the evening that Lindsey went missing???

From the getgo ... I have suspected that Lindsey stopped at the Shell station on her way home to rerieve the bike that had been left there earlier following the argument with her brother and ... met up with foul play.

I concede that my ongoing suspicions regarding Josh Baum has now wavered.

Karma ... you are right.  Logic dictates that EVERYBODY is not lying ... attempting to implicate Dale ... attempting to obstruct the investigation into the disappearance of a little girl.

Janet
 

Janet I think you have read this wrong.  his car at the Shell station during last night's search   I believe this was well after Lindsey went missing
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« Reply #1441 on: October 03, 2009, 12:15:17 PM »

Wow!  Still people defending Dale Golder.  It's obvious he has serious issues, and people are trying to cover for him.  There are way too many things pointing at him as being the one respnsible for Lindsey's demise.  So sad.  Poor Lindsey.  "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

I'm just curious, do you know this guy personally? I will say the guy is very disturbing to me on a couple of levels, and my feelings about him I will keep to myself. I'm also curious what the towns people are saying about this guy, neighbors, coworkers?

No, I don't know him, and thank God for that.  He is VERY disturbing, and I am sick of people covering for him.  This guy is dangerous, and it's obvious.  I am crying for Lindsey.
Thank-you for answering, he is disturbing to me as well 
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« Reply #1442 on: October 03, 2009, 12:15:20 PM »

This sure does not look good.

His Mom got a call for him from LE to do a phone interview,he was asleep,Mom calls LE back and says he left the home and gives LE his cell number.LE calls him and he says he was not working at BeeHive that Friday and Saturday but was working at his other job on June 26th even though he was spotted driving around town that Friday.

LE calls his other job and finds out he was on disciplinary leave from June 7th through June 27th.
OMG......

I have no idea whether or not this young man is involved in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum but ... I believe that LE were justified in their suspicions ... justified in searching the home/property where he resides.  I just do not understand what took them so long.

 

Janet


I agree

Unless we are to believe his boss at the campground lied,his exgirlfriend or current girlfriend lied,Melissa Baum lied about him following her,LE is lying about their suspicions and LE and the Judge lied,illegally,just to get this search warrant,the now 21 year old girl and her siblings all lied back in 2000,lied about being made to watch porn and lied about being held in a bedroom at the age of 12 while your babysitter tried to rape you,JenniferO lied about seeing Dale and his car at the Shell station during last night's search and his drivers door was working just fine(from witnesses that saw him and his car there).

I'm not going to apologize for having my suspicions about Dale Golder,not even if it turns out that all of the above is true because all I am doing is what I would do in any missing child case......no matter who is investigating it and no matter who is communicating with whom.
We all have opinions and are allowed to express them.
That is what I did above.

 

There was a witness sighting of this young man and his vehicle at the Shell station on the evening that Lindsey went missing???

From the getgo ... I have suspected that Lindsey stopped at the Shell station on her way home to rerieve the bike that had been left there earlier following the argument with her brother and ... met up with foul play.

I concede that my ongoing suspicions regarding Josh Baum has now wavered.

Karma ... you are right.  Logic dictates that EVERYBODY is not lying ... attempting to implicate Dale ... attempting to obstruct the investigation into the disappearance of a little girl.

Janet
 

Janet - I read this as they saw him last night...not the night she went missing.  Karma- can you clarify.  Thanks.

Thanks Leroy.

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« Reply #1443 on: October 03, 2009, 12:15:35 PM »

Lots of chatter sisters, I believe this to be healthy.  Why not just clear this dude and move on???  shortcake
I believe that is what we are trying to do.
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« Reply #1444 on: October 03, 2009, 12:15:54 PM »

I have heard that the judge has a personal conflict with Dale...so if the judge decides if the SW is sealed or not, well then I'm not surprised it was released.

What/Who was the source that claimed that there was a conflict of interest which deemed the Judge should not have been in a position to give his consent to the search warrant?

Janet

It was said by one of the locals...let me see if I can go find it.

Thanks Leroy.

If a conflict of interest on the part of the judge is suspected ... then there should be an investigation.

Janet


Is the FBI still involved?
I think the FBI signed these search warrants.
The info about the Judge having a conflict with Dale comes from DD.
I too would like to know what that conflict is.

the SW was signed by Judge Stephen Brown...I couldn't recall but just went to double check.

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« Reply #1445 on: October 03, 2009, 12:16:26 PM »

If what it says is true in the SW, I can imagine how scared Melissa Baum was when he was following her that night  I just don't understand that at all, I know what it said in the SW, but I bet that woman was very upset, at least I would be 


Here is ONE of the things that jumped out at me on that search warrant

 MB has stated dale was following her around in her car, I would like to know how she was driving that car when she said it did not work... the ONLY reason I never really put MB high on my list of people to look at is because she had no car running, and it would be pretty impossible for her to hide a body if she had to drag it down the street and way out into the woods herself without a vehicle.  But now it comes out her car was actually running and she was driving it, because she herself stated dale was following her around town... so hmmm, if her car was actually running, she goes right up to the top of my list now.  This woman shows all the signs of someone guilty, the only thing that kept me from thinking she might be was I could not figure out how in the world she could hide a body if she had no vehicle.  Well, now we see she really did have a vehicle.  So back to MB and take a good look at her too.

Kara had stated that MB's car could not be driven because the key was broken off in the ignition.  So everyone assumed MB had no transportation of her own.  Because of this, I figured there is no way she could dispose of a body.  I do know that you can take a screwdriver and still twist the ignition even if the key is broken off in it, but I gave MB the benefit of the doubt because I assumed she probably did not know you could do this.  Now I really have to go back and wonder, how is she driving that car, when she herself says Dale was following her, if in fact her car would not drive?  We now see, yes she was driving it.  So again, another lie... her car was running, she was driving it, therefore, she was capable of hiding a body. 

After reading the search warrant, we also find that lindsey's swimsuit is missing. This is a little perplexing to say the least.  I have not had time to figure this out, but will be taking the time to do it now. 

If nothing else on that SW stands out to me, it is these two things that were obviously lied about for 3 months, that has me right back to square #1 and MB.. Being all the other underlying circumstance concerning MB, and some of those in emails to me directly from her, and statements made to me directly from KK, MM, and JennO, and other information I have concerning how all of mb's own family feels about her actions, and the information about how MB never wanted HO to come help search, and how she would never even so much as come out of the house to introduce herself, how she got mad at her sister for even requesting the services of HO, how she acts(although this alone would not be something we can know how anyone might act if in this situation, however in combination with everything else), all adds up to one really strange situation. 

Right now I am going to take ONE VERY HARD look at MB.  If she had access to a running vehicle, which now we know without a doubt she did, as she admits in the search warran when trying to point at Dale, then this changes everything about her ability to hide a body.  And when she says she "believe lindsey is right UNDER HER NOSE", I believe lindsey is. 

you have no idea the emails I have from MB... it took about the first two of them to start asking what the heck is wrong with her.  I ever ask MB the same thing.  It was so bizarre, I quit emailing her.  I thought the poor woman must be so unable to cope, she was acting like she could care less about lindsey, but I thought it was her way of coping and I did not wish to bother her.  But I clearly believe now it was NOT her way of coping, after talking to others, and NOW that I know for a fact her car was running and that she did IN FACT have the ability to hide a body... I have to agree with her when she says Lindsey is right under her nose.  I can see exactly how she could have hidden lindsey. 

might also make sense why lindsey's room is taped off as a "crime scene", which that never made sense to me either.  But it does now.

Keep spinning...  Why don't you stick up for Lindsey instead of this sick individual?
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« Reply #1446 on: October 03, 2009, 12:16:42 PM »

Well, Happy Saturday y'all. I have to leave to get some stuff done.
 
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« Reply #1447 on: October 03, 2009, 12:19:23 PM »

Hi all,
KARMA: Thank you so much for explaining how to post other peoples posts without it all running together. Sometimes I am computer illiterate.

JANET: Did you see the link I found last night with a new Alice Walters that has popped up?

I am trying really hard to keep an open mind in all of this because I respect DD's research and I was one of those who had private messages ongoing with KM for a few weeks on another site. Having said this, there is a lot of damning information coming out about KM's son that is disturbing at best.

This is one of the inconsistencies that is bugging me however. IF DG was smart enough to somehow lure Lindsey off of the street in his loud car, and elude LE for 3 months, then he is not a stupid person by any stretch. Why then, would he be stupid enough to follow Lindsey's mother, having to know that this would cast suspicion on him?

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« Reply #1448 on: October 03, 2009, 12:19:30 PM »

That leaves me with my pool question.  Someone stated they fill it up for the summer as their well runs dry. When is it usually filled and what is the source of the water they use?  I want to confirm that it is an above ground pool, which I think I saw when they were searching the two properties.  I believe I saw an above ground round pool that looked to be at least 18' round possibly 21'.

Can anyone point me to any of the video or pictures from the search that shows the pool?

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« Reply #1449 on: October 03, 2009, 12:21:34 PM »

I am also confused/concerned as to why Dale would be following MB late at night?  She was concerned enough to call the police.  This is not a healthy activity-this sends up my hinky meter. 
I believe in the search warrant it says Dale told a coworker(at BeeHive?)that this person(Melissa)was checking out his car so he thought they were going to try and steal his car for parts.Dale supposedly said this other car(Melissa's)was the same as his....a Del Sol car or something like that.
Melissa's car is nothing like Dale's car.
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« Reply #1450 on: October 03, 2009, 12:22:04 PM »

If what it says is true in the SW, I can imagine how scared Melissa Baum was when he was following her that night  I just don't understand that at all, I know what it said in the SW, but I bet that woman was very upset, at least I would be 


Here is ONE of the things that jumped out at me on that search warrant

 MB has stated dale was following her around in her car, I would like to know how she was driving that car when she said it did not work... the ONLY reason I never really put MB high on my list of people to look at is because she had no car running, and it would be pretty impossible for her to hide a body if she had to drag it down the street and way out into the woods herself without a vehicle.  But now it comes out her car was actually running and she was driving it, because she herself stated dale was following her around town... so hmmm, if her car was actually running, she goes right up to the top of my list now.  This woman shows all the signs of someone guilty, the only thing that kept me from thinking she might be was I could not figure out how in the world she could hide a body if she had no vehicle.  Well, now we see she really did have a vehicle.  So back to MB and take a good look at her too.

Kara had stated that MB's car could not be driven because the key was broken off in the ignition.  So everyone assumed MB had no transportation of her own.  Because of this, I figured there is no way she could dispose of a body.  I do know that you can take a screwdriver and still twist the ignition even if the key is broken off in it, but I gave MB the benefit of the doubt because I assumed she probably did not know you could do this.  Now I really have to go back and wonder, how is she driving that car, when she herself says Dale was following her, if in fact her car would not drive?  We now see, yes she was driving it.  So again, another lie... her car was running, she was driving it, therefore, she was capable of hiding a body. 

After reading the search warrant, we also find that lindsey's swimsuit is missing. This is a little perplexing to say the least.  I have not had time to figure this out, but will be taking the time to do it now. 

If nothing else on that SW stands out to me, it is these two things that were obviously lied about for 3 months, that has me right back to square #1 and MB.. Being all the other underlying circumstance concerning MB, and some of those in emails to me directly from her, and statements made to me directly from KK, MM, and JennO, and other information I have concerning how all of mb's own family feels about her actions, and the information about how MB never wanted HO to come help search, and how she would never even so much as come out of the house to introduce herself, how she got mad at her sister for even requesting the services of HO, how she acts(although this alone would not be something we can know how anyone might act if in this situation, however in combination with everything else), all adds up to one really strange situation. 

Right now I am going to take ONE VERY HARD look at MB.  If she had access to a running vehicle, which now we know without a doubt she did, as she admits in the search warran when trying to point at Dale, then this changes everything about her ability to hide a body.  And when she says she "believe lindsey is right UNDER HER NOSE", I believe lindsey is. 

you have no idea the emails I have from MB... it took about the first two of them to start asking what the heck is wrong with her.  I ever ask MB the same thing.  It was so bizarre, I quit emailing her.  I thought the poor woman must be so unable to cope, she was acting like she could care less about lindsey, but I thought it was her way of coping and I did not wish to bother her.  But I clearly believe now it was NOT her way of coping, after talking to others, and NOW that I know for a fact her car was running and that she did IN FACT have the ability to hide a body... I have to agree with her when she says Lindsey is right under her nose.  I can see exactly how she could have hidden lindsey. 

might also make sense why lindsey's room is taped off as a "crime scene", which that never made sense to me either.  But it does now.

Keep spinning...  Why don't you stick up for Lindsey instead of this sick individual?

well you have obviously made your mind up that Dale is guilty. however, it still is not a bad idea to look at everyone.  I personally am on the fence about Dale.

but I am also on the fence about MB.
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« Reply #1451 on: October 03, 2009, 12:23:48 PM »

MM,
I saw that you were on today. Is MB positive that it was in fact DG that followed her? Does she remember the date? How long did he follow her? From what point to what point? Thank you!
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« Reply #1452 on: October 03, 2009, 12:23:56 PM »

Hi all,
KARMA: Thank you so much for explaining how to post other peoples posts without it all running together. Sometimes I am computer illiterate.

JANET: Did you see the link I found last night with a new Alice Walters that has popped up?

I am trying really hard to keep an open mind in all of this because I respect DD's research and I was one of those who had private messages ongoing with KM for a few weeks on another site. Having said this, there is a lot of damning information coming out about KM's son that is disturbing at best.

This is one of the inconsistencies that is bugging me however. IF DG was smart enough to somehow lure Lindsey off of the street in his loud car, and elude LE for 3 months, then he is not a stupid person by any stretch. Why then, would he be stupid enough to follow Lindsey's mother, having to know that this would cast suspicion on him?

I am one confused monkey!

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I have not focused in on the "Waters" issue yet.  Who is KM?

Thanks

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« Reply #1453 on: October 03, 2009, 12:24:49 PM »


And I will add that I am on fence about everyone in McCleary.  I still cant figure out why KK hasn't taken a poly.
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« Reply #1454 on: October 03, 2009, 12:26:07 PM »


No, it was not Dales appearence I was referring to, it is his myspace name.  shortcake
There must be more that I'm not seeing, I can't log in to see more, because I don't have a password, so I take it there is something disturbing that I'm not seeing? 

I have been inside that myspace there is nothing in there at all whichi is disturbing that I saw.  He likes to work on his car seems pretty much to be what he is all about.  His screen name is not one I would choose to have but it just falls in line with today's music, and if you have ever listened to that type of music(which you probably have not), then it's just something people his age say.  I don't find it sinister or telling. google any rap song and you will find the lyrics are full of these sayings.  It just the times and the music and sad to say but in today's music and culture for many kids, this seems "cool".  I believe he was just trying to "act cool", which I would not choose a name like that but when I was young in the 60's I think of all the people who said stuff (which I won't even type), was just as bad if not worse.  We said it, we embroidered it on our clothing, etc.  Back then that was pretty shocking to our parents as well.  I did it, I thought it was the thing that was "IN", I think in this day and age our young people are just listen to the music of today and they are using those phrases to try to "be cool".  ugh, yes; sinister; no. 
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« Reply #1455 on: October 03, 2009, 12:29:04 PM »

DD, please don't overlook that MB's car may not have been running at the time of Lindseys disappearance, and it was repaired at a later time.  I don't think dale was following her that night as it is said he was following her to see if she would lead him to information about lindsey.   I am also wondering where she was coming home from at 12 or 1 AM in the morning. 
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« Reply #1456 on: October 03, 2009, 12:30:07 PM »

Hi all,
KARMA: Thank you so much for explaining how to post other peoples posts without it all running together. Sometimes I am computer illiterate.

JANET: Did you see the link I found last night with a new Alice Walters that has popped up?

I am trying really hard to keep an open mind in all of this because I respect DD's research and I was one of those who had private messages ongoing with KM for a few weeks on another site. Having said this, there is a lot of damning information coming out about KM's son that is disturbing at best.

This is one of the inconsistencies that is bugging me however. IF DG was smart enough to somehow lure Lindsey off of the street in his loud car, and elude LE for 3 months, then he is not a stupid person by any stretch. Why then, would he be stupid enough to follow Lindsey's mother, having to know that this would cast suspicion on him?

I am one confused monkey!

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I have not focused in on the "Waters" issue yet.  Who is KM?

Thanks

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« Reply #1457 on: October 03, 2009, 12:30:52 PM »

MM,
I saw that you were on today. Is MB positive that it was in fact DG that followed her? Does she remember the date? How long did he follow her? From what point to what point? Thank you!
I am searching and can"t find where it states "MB was driving a car" when she felt she was being followed and called the police.  Please point me in the direction.  Thanks  shortcake
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« Reply #1458 on: October 03, 2009, 12:31:11 PM »

I am still wondering about AZSunnys question - if the test results aren't back, how can they clear him now?

I have heard no one state he is "CLEARED" just as I have never heard they stated ANYONE has been "CLEARED". 
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« Reply #1459 on: October 03, 2009, 12:31:54 PM »

MM,
I saw that you were on today. Is MB positive that it was in fact DG that followed her? Does she remember the date? How long did he follow her? From what point to what point? Thank you!
I am searching and can"t find where it states "MB was driving a car" when she felt she was being followed and called the police.  Please point me in the direction.  Thanks  shortcake

I believe it was a statement in the SW's that were released.
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