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« Reply #1520 on: October 03, 2009, 01:49:19 PM »

MomTective at WS typed out the full search warrant.
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89690&page=18



Thanks Karma.  Thanks MomTective.

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Thanks, that is a huge help 

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« Reply #1521 on: October 03, 2009, 01:49:34 PM »

I can't say if MB had anything to do with Lindsey's disappearance, but I do know this Dale guy looks like a huge creep to me at the moment.  I also know that I won't go out after dark alone these days, but if my child was missing I wouldn't care what time of day it was.  I'd be out looking for some kind of clue.

Every story in that affidavit is a lie?
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« Reply #1522 on: October 03, 2009, 01:51:06 PM »

mb's car was NOT workin that nite as i WATCHED her uncle fix it on SUNDAY after lindsey went missing. i will finish addressing this in a while as well as LJ's room and what nite MB was followed
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« Reply #1523 on: October 03, 2009, 01:51:30 PM »

MomTective at WS typed out the full search warrant.
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89690&page=18



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Kona is Tena Golder, Dale Golder's mother. She was posting here under the name Konamocha. 
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« Reply #1524 on: October 03, 2009, 01:53:28 PM »

Melissa M.

On August 2, 2009 ... police tape was still preventing Melissa Baum from entering Lindsey's room.  Has that tape been removed.

Thanks.

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BY JACOB JONES - The Daily World
Sunday, August 2, 2009 1:14 AM PDT


Baum said the worst part is knowing somebody holds the answer. Somebody, if they wanted to, could bring her daughter home at any moment.

“I can’t believe that nobody knows anything,” she said. “They just need to come forward. They need to re-evaluate their morality and put my little girl first.”

She said she knows Lindsey is alive and soon somebody will have the courage to lead investigators to her. She asked anyone with information to call the tip line at 1-866-915-8299.

“I just want her back,” she said. “You can stay anonymous, even calling a tip in. You don’t have to give your name or anything.”

After five weeks, yellow police tape still hangs over Lindsey’s door. Hand-written signs of support still hang in the windows of the house. Log trucks still slowly roll past Maple Street.

http://**/articles/2009/08/02/local_news/doc4a75285b085b5140001671.prt

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Janet,I could be wrong but I believe Melissa Baum made the decision to not take down that tape until Lindsey comes home.....sort of a way of protecting her room,protecting Mom Baum's memories.That's my take on it anyway.
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« Reply #1525 on: October 03, 2009, 01:54:19 PM »

I can't say if MB had anything to do with Lindsey's disappearance, but I do know this Dale guy looks like a huge creep to me at the moment.  I also know that I won't go out after dark alone these days, but if my child was missing I wouldn't care what time of day it was.  I'd be out looking for some kind of clue.

Every story in that affidavit is a lie?
I agree, that if I was Lindsey's mom I would be doing things differently. And also, I can't believe that everything in that affidavit is a lie, that doesn't seem likely to me.  And I shouldn't, but I will throw in that Dale creeps me out, something about him, can't say exactly why. 
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« Reply #1526 on: October 03, 2009, 01:54:28 PM »

 
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Right now I am going to take ONE VERY HARD look at MB.  If she had access to a running vehicle, which now we know without a doubt she did, as she admits in the search warran when trying to point at Dale, then this changes everything about her ability to hide a body.  And when she says she "believe lindsey is right UNDER HER NOSE", I believe lindsey is. 

you have no idea the emails I have from MB... it took about the first two of them to start asking what the heck is wrong with her.  I ever ask MB the same thing.  It was so bizarre, I quit emailing her.  I thought the poor woman must be so unable to cope, she was acting like she could care less about lindsey, but I thought it was her way of coping and I did not wish to bother her.  But I clearly believe now it was NOT her way of coping, after talking to others, and NOW that I know for a fact her car was running and that she did IN FACT have the ability to hide a body... I have to agree with her when she says Lindsey is right under her nose.  I can see exactly how she could have hidden lindsey. 

might also make sense why lindsey's room is taped off as a "crime scene", which that never made sense to me either.  But it does now.

 

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From the getgo my contention was that Melissa Baum and Josh Buam ... in the process of elimination ... should be considered persons of interest by LE in the events that encompass Lindsey's disappearance.  In no uncertain terms you have always underminded my postition.

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you are absolutely correct TM, I have ALWAYS defended josh and MB and it is this very issue between you and I which caused me to just get frustrated and go do something else away from this board.  And that is exactly my point when someone comes on the board and says I am "spinning" about MB... I of all people defended MB to the point you and I were at each other day and night over this.  However, as time goes on and I find out more about MB, have personally emailed with her, have seen what they are doing, then I go back and say well just maybe I better look at her. 

I still have MY THEORY about what happened to Lindsey, but again, I still look at everyone.  So MB is back on my radar as I need to figure out why she acts like she does, says what she does, others wonder about her who are close to her etc.  So for me to bring up MB as going up to the top of my list, has nothing whatsoever to do with "spinning", as "I" am the very person who was her greatest defender on this board and everyone knows it.  I still might not have the same reasons as you do TM concerning if MB is guilty, but I do have some very legit reasons of my own why she is up there at the top of the list, and until I can figure them out, and believe she can not have done this or why she is doing what she is doing, she will stay up there.  Along with some others who lie all the time.  but my theory involves another person.  But even this person could cause in a round about way, why MB acts weird.
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« Reply #1527 on: October 03, 2009, 01:54:47 PM »


NRCG~I rarely post here if ever because I stay confused, but who is KONA?

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« Reply #1528 on: October 03, 2009, 01:56:21 PM »

Just got information from a water treatment guy, lol why wonder right? ... I asked if water can be stored in a pool for working water at a house. He says yes, he has heard of that before. Drilling for a new well is very expensive and it is an alternative. The water would only be able to be used for working water in the home and not for drinking. It would have to be hooked up to a pump and of course chlorinated. He made it sound like it was not a big deal...

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« Reply #1529 on: October 03, 2009, 01:57:06 PM »

I have been wonder who TM is.  Some of the posts this morning referenced TM.

I just figured it out.  It is me.

 

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« Reply #1530 on: October 03, 2009, 01:57:30 PM »

That leaves me with my pool question.  Someone stated they fill it up for the summer as their well runs dry. When is it usually filled and what is the source of the water they use?  I want to confirm that it is an above ground pool, which I think I saw when they were searching the two properties.  I believe I saw an above ground round pool that looked to be at least 18' round possibly 21'.

Can anyone point me to any of the video or pictures from the search that shows the pool?

TIA

I have to go but want to give you my concerns about the statement that they fill up the pool for water as the well goes dry in the summer.  I as well own an above ground pool.  They take a lot of water.  Having lived in areas that do not get serviced by city water supply or sewage I do understand wells going dry.  I do not understand if the source to fill up the pool was the well, how you would not cause your well dry by filling it up which is why I asked when they fill it.  If they filled it up in the spring then MAYBE they could get it filled after giving the well a chance to get caught up as they were filling it.  Why stress the well to do this when you could truck water into tanks though? and if your well can pump out this amount of water in once shot there I  seriously doubt it would go dry in the summer.

A 4 foot high 18' pool takes 7,646 gallons of water to fill
A 52" high pool (4' 4") 18' pool takes 8,602 gallons.

If the pool is a 21 ft' pool the water required would be 9,106 gallons and 10,408 gallons respectively.

http://www.backyardcitypools.com/swimming-pools/Pool-Volume-Calculate.htm

If their well source is sufficient to fill up these then I would not think the well would go dry in the summer.

Once you fill a pool if you do not have it either on a salt or chlorine balance you get algae fast, very fast especially as the weather gets hotter.  You would also need a pump at minimum (a skimmer also if you seriously want to use the water instead of well water)  running to ensure that all the bugs, dust, leaves, pollen, etc get filtered out or it speeds up the algae and other goodies that start growing as well as change the PH level of the water so that it would give you serious issues if used for cooking or drinking.  The pump filter would need to be cleaned at least once a week and replaced at least twice in the summer, chemical levels checked weekly and leveled up or down depending on what your pool is doing , etc.  All this for a household water source? It is an uphill battle as the weather gets warmer and the pool water stays warm from the sun.  Even covering the pool does not stop things from going into the water.  We found a dead bird in our pool once and it was covered. The water from the pool could only be used for gray water I would think (flushing toilets is the only thing I would use it for) , so if they have lived there for many generations as the articles have stated you would think by now they would have either created a dug out for grey water usage, drilled for a second well,  or had tanks to truck in water for when their well was stressed.  JMO
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« Reply #1531 on: October 03, 2009, 01:58:19 PM »


NRCG~I rarely post here if ever because I stay confused, but who is KONA?

TIA
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NRCG~Thanks for the answer

  Hi Seiko, I'm doing great.....just confused as so many of these cases are a clusterfruck of lies and misdirection, just boggle my mind.
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« Reply #1532 on: October 03, 2009, 01:58:28 PM »

I have been wonder who TM is.  Some of the posts this morning referenced TM.

I just figured it out.  It is me.

 

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« Reply #1533 on: October 03, 2009, 02:00:13 PM »

I have been wonder who TM is.  Some of the posts this morning referenced TM.

I just figured it out.  It is me.

 

Janet

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« Reply #1534 on: October 03, 2009, 02:00:50 PM »

Am I reading the search warrant correctly where it states that when interviewed, dale says on the night of Lindsey's disappearance, he was home at 9pm then passed out?? 

I thought he had an alibi?
he does have an alibi from before that time and all through that time til he was home on the couch and also where he was inbetween coming from the other place to his home.  He also had people over at his own house that night who came there and know he was there until long past that time.  his alibi is solid.  A lot of people know exactly where he was.  a LOT of them. And not just for a few minutes, but from before that time and after that time.  I could see maybe a mom lying for a son(which I can't see kona doing that as she is adamant about telling on her kids), but this is several people who stopped by the house who were there when he was at home.  And before he got there, he has witnesses who know where he was before this.  I really doubt ALL these people are lying for him.

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« Reply #1535 on: October 03, 2009, 02:04:55 PM »

This sure does not look good.

His Mom got a call for him from LE to do a phone interview,he was asleep,Mom calls LE back and says he left the home and gives LE his cell number.LE calls him and he says he was not working at BeeHive that Friday and Saturday but was working at his other job on June 26th even though he was spotted driving around town that Friday.

LE calls his other job and finds out he was on disciplinary leave from June 7th through June 27th.
OMG......

I have no idea whether or not this young man is involved in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum but ... I believe that LE were justified in their suspicions ... justified in searching the home/property where he resides.  I just do not understand what took them so long.

 

Janet

I agree
Unless we are to believe his boss at the campground lied,his exgirlfriend or current girlfriend lied,Melissa Baum lied about him following her,LE is lying about their suspicions and LE and the Judge lied,illegally,just to get this search warrant,the now 21 year old girl and her siblings all lied back in 2000,lied about being made to watch porn and lied about being held in a bedroom at the age of 12 while your babysitter tried to rape you,JenniferO lied about seeing Dale and his car at the Shell station during last night's search and his drivers door was working just fine(from witnesses that saw him and his car there).

I'm not going to apologize for having my suspicions about Dale Golder,not even if it turns out that all of the above is true because all I am doing is what I would do in any missing child case......no matter who is investigating it and no matter who is communicating with whom.
We all have opinions and are allowed to express them.
That is what I did above.

it is 3 months later... I would think after 3 months someone might just fix their door handle?

Karma and all.  I believe all of you should research the guy if you so choose, I have no problem with anyone researching anyone... what I have a problem with is everyone getting upset at ME, because "I" don't want to waste MY time doing the research.  I'm not the ONLY researher by far.  No one is stopping anyone else from researching the guy, are they?  I might just in and respond when I know something it not correct... but so far I don't see anyone RESEARCHING the guy, it is all just saying he looks weird, or his myspace name is weird or this or that.  Please DIG and find something if it is there.  DIG DIG AND DIG... that is what research is.  If I see some LEGIT RESEARCH that makes me go HMMMM, I will be the first to check it out further, but I have already done that and I see nothing.  so for me to keep looking, is a waste, yet people have gotten furious at me because I can't dig up something on this guy.  sorry, there is NOTHING to find.
It was one month later and it was hard to believe that Mom Baum could have gotten her car fixed?
DD,I see no one getting upset with you because you won't search Dale out.I see no one here expecting you to search out Dale.I do see some of us tip toeing around the Dale issue out of respect to you and your research.
And believe me,we are researching and searching out anything to do with Dale Golder.Personally,for me,I need to do my own researching because when I see for myself whatever info pops up,it makes it easier for me to believe.I do appreciate your researches,thank you.
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« Reply #1536 on: October 03, 2009, 02:05:49 PM »

I can't say if MB had anything to do with Lindsey's disappearance, but I do know this Dale guy looks like a huge creep to me at the moment.  I also know that I won't go out after dark alone these days, but if my child was missing I wouldn't care what time of day it was.  I'd be out looking for some kind of clue.

Every story in that affidavit is a lie?
I agree, that if I was Lindsey's mom I would be doing things differently. And also, I can't believe that everything in that affidavit is a lie, that doesn't seem likely to me.  And I shouldn't, but I will throw in that Dale creeps me out, something about him, can't say exactly why. 

I agree NRCG, after reading that search warrant I was blown away by the details, but like I said this case confuses me more than any other which is why I just read and don't post
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« Reply #1537 on: October 03, 2009, 02:05:59 PM »

Hi DD,
So, when you offered to set up a fund for a private investigator, Mom Baum was all for it? Instead of thinking that a private investigator could be helpful in locating her missing daughter, she was just interested in finding information on her Dad Baum? That is bizarre at best! I went back and found the information that I was looking for with regards to Mom Baums' car. This was a snippet from JennO from another board.

MBs car runs and does get her from point A to point B but the heater fan is going out. It decides when it wants to run. I talked to my husband and he said it could be an easy fix. So we will get a hold of MB (maybe during the next search) and see what can be done. She's going to need heat here pretty soon. Fall is sneaking up on us.
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« Reply #1538 on: October 03, 2009, 02:06:53 PM »

Am I reading the search warrant correctly where it states that when interviewed, dale says on the night of Lindsey's disappearance, he was home at 9pm then passed out?? 

I thought he had an alibi?

Fortunately ... there were witness sightings of this passed out young man ...

 

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KOMO News has learned the young man was working at the Bee Hive Retirement Center at the time of the 11-year-old girl's disappearance. The girl was last seen in front of the center.

The man's family members and his next-door neighbor say he was at home when the girl vanished.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/62753227.html

Ya Ya,  He was on his cellie at 9:26.  And his car was witnessed being driven by the Beehive at about 10 pm.   The affidavit states the time of her going missing between 9:15 and 10 pm.  So his car has been placed at the same place and within the same time frame where she was last seen.  The pings from his cell might well place him there at that time as well.

One thing still unknown are the forensic results from some items taken.  That would include anything gleaned from electronics as in computers or cell phone findings.  IMO


One thing I question is the location of the Beehive acc to the affidavit.  I states it is between 5th and 6th on Maple and I called the dispatcher in GHC the other nite and she said it is between 6th and 7th  ???

now that is something I would really like to see come out...the cell phone pings.  but where is the tower, do they have more than one, and how far is maple from his house.  would the pings be able to establish any difference if his phone was on maple or where he was with his alibi?  mccleary is small, where are the towers and how many is a good place to start.  now this I would like to know and I believe this is something really valid to look at. 
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« Reply #1539 on: October 03, 2009, 02:08:33 PM »

I have been wonder who TM is.  Some of the posts this morning referenced TM.

I just figured it out.  It is me.

 

Janet
       I wondered for awhile myself who TM was.   Thanks Tracygirl for that info 
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