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« Reply #1560 on: October 03, 2009, 02:44:24 PM »

I have been wonder who TM is.  Some of the posts this morning referenced TM.

I just figured it out.  It is me.

 

Janet

sorry TM, your name is hard for me to remember how to type and is long... so I just put TM just as everyone uses DD for me.   an angelic monkey
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« Reply #1561 on: October 03, 2009, 02:44:44 PM »

Unless it is revealed otherwise ... considering the family dynamics within the Baum household ... I will continue to ask myself the following questions regarding Lindsey's disappearance:

1.  Did an erate Josh return home following the argument with Linsey as instructed by the family friend who intervened?
 
2.  Was Josh at home with Mom when Lindsey left the Kampen/Williams residence?

3.  Did Lindsey stop at the Shell Station to retrieve her bike and had a fatal encounter with her erate brother?
 
4.  Did Lindsey make it home only to meet her demise at the hands of either an erate brother or and ... distraught/overwhelmed/frustrated single Mom?
 
5.  In an attempt to protect herself or her son ... did Melissa Baum request and receive help in a coverup?
 
6.  Is there legalities that LE have to consider in regard to the interrogation of a minor?

7.  Could it be that the focus has never been on Melissa B. and Josh B. as persons of interest because there were red flags from the past that LE and CPS did not want exposed ... red flags that were disregarded ... red flags that could have prevented the disappearance of Lindsey Baum if addressed.
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Expert: Missing girl likely went with someone she knew
09:58 PM PDT on Wednesday, July 1, 2009


A national expert helping in the search for 10-year-old Lindsey Baum says someone Lindsey knew might be responsible for her disappearance. Baum vanished while walking home from a friend’s house Friday around 9 p.m.

"Based on the information I have, it’s someone she possibly knows or is in the area, not outside the area," said Henry Schmidt, with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children..

Schmidt, a retired sheriff from Wyoming, arrived in McCleary to assist with the search Sunday.

http://www.nwcn.com/statenews/washington/stories/NW_070109WAB-mccleary-KS.260ea8b9.html


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« Reply #1562 on: October 03, 2009, 02:49:32 PM »

RED FLAGS?

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... Josh had gotten into so many spats that honestly were in a large part things he did not start but because he was the oldest he was the one who got in trouble. I've set down kids I've never met before to have a talk with them because I heard that they were antagonizing him to see if he'd blow up. Really sad that kids do that sort of thing but it happened back when I was little to so I guess its not a new thing but I believe it is far more common now days - still not at all acceptable or called for.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg871164;topicseen#msg871164


The Daily World - July 3, 2009

Kampen said she has replayed that Friday evening in her head over and over. So has her daughter, Michaela, 10, who spent the day swimming with Lindsey. They walked together with Josh Baum, 13, to the Kampen house. But halfway there, Michaela said they teased Josh, getting under his skin ...

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« Reply #1563 on: October 03, 2009, 02:51:00 PM »

LE was / is probably looking at all the paper they have on the persons who live there. DG's name comes up in their computer and it is a sex related issue. Bingo. The story in the computer records is disturbing. ( Oh, I know, it's not true ). He is exactly the type that they should be looking at. And they did. Probably case closed on any legal battles being won by the G's. 
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« Reply #1564 on: October 03, 2009, 02:51:06 PM »

RED FLAGS?

Considering the truth regarding the disappearance of Lindsey Baum is not known ... I feel that each Monkey on the forum should "feel" the freedom to speculate in his/her own way. 

I believe with all my heart that LE has a foundation from which suspicion of this young man has been drawn from ... suspicion that has deemed him a person of interest.  Something akin to many persons of interest in criminal cases ... the investigative process will either clear this young man or ... it will determine if he is a suspect.

However ... when I consider the witness sighting of Lindsey at Maple and Fifth ... minutes from home ... minutes from Mom and brother ... I believe the focus of the investigation should have be closer to home prior to moving outward.  Considering Melissa B and Josh B. were waiting at the end of Lindsey journey ... considering the known family dynamics ...  were these two ever deemed at some point in time persons of interest?

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MARILYN LA CHESTER
 
1.  As far as the abuse Lindsey went threw the MPD knows the FBI also knows.
 
2.  They have the reports I help Lindsey file.
 
3.  Just as of this moring when the FBI was at my house I made a comment about the 911 calls and the call to CPS

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=post;quote=904672;topic=5790.880;num_replies=1162;sesc=28414912316d49a494791fe51542bb71

 
mlachester:

To answer the questions everyone has asked, Yes I have talked to police and as far as things being unfounded its more of lazy work by cps and I don't know what the police were thinking. Since Lindsey has gone missing I have helped serch and put fliers up. I was called by the agents investigating and told them what I know. And this is no nick name everyone in McCleary knows who I am. Its no big secret she had came to my house to call 911 when her brother had done things to her. I hope lindsey is hiding and she finds a way to get to someone for help to tell them why. But as everyday gose by the fear gets worse.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_063009WAB-Mccleary-girl-search-LJ.1fc0b759.html?ocp=2#slcgm_comments_anchor


mlachester:

I am close to her and I know a lot more than the media or law enforcement are saying right now. As for Scanner, sorry if you don't like the truth but I have never been one to keep the truth in and she should of been taken the first time she called 911 from my house asking for help instead of put in a police car and taken back to her abuser!"

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Marilyn La Chester's Friend

... One time she called CPS on melissa baum when lindsey came over with welts from her calfs to her back.  she was horrified and i think a couple others saw this at her house.  the other incidents with Josh were chasing her with knife, shovel, choking, and at least one other attack against another individual (and here i forgot to write it down, i think it was a female but can't recall if it was an adult or child, but marilyn made the call).  she says he was very violent and went to Juvi many times!  hmm.  anyway, i don't think she's lying, that's a whole lot to be lying about.

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« Reply #1565 on: October 03, 2009, 02:51:40 PM »

Sorry everyone, but me thinks it is time for me to sit in the rafters for a while.  What is the real truth.  Who knows?  Right now I am beginning to believe the confiscated dildo may very well belong to Tena.  Only logical answer.  I am so confused.  I do believe all this chatter is moving the ball forward and that is good.  Keep it up and I will be back.  shortcake
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« Reply #1566 on: October 03, 2009, 02:52:41 PM »

RED FLAGS?


Then there are the words of mamahead, La Chester's friend,  Lindsey and Melissa M ... words that imply that there were troubling underlying dynamics within the Baum household.

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Lindsey has been afraid of her brother for a very long time. He has threatned her many times. Where is she? And why is the mother not crazy with sadness or emotion. Show us some tears. The friend that Lindsey was last with shows more emotion than the mother. And why was the brother begging for money for fireworks at his little sisters candlelight vigil?

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_070609WAB-missing-mccleary-girl-SW.14c01624.html


Marilyn La Chester's Friend

... One time she called CPS on melissa baum when lindsey came over with welts from her calfs to her back.  she was horrified and i think a couple others saw this at her house.  the other incidents with Josh were chasing her with knife, shovel, choking, and at least one other attack against another individual (and here i forgot to write it down, i think it was a female but can't recall if it was an adult or child, but marilyn made the call).  she says he was very violent and went to Juvi many times!  hmm.  anyway, i don't think she's lying, that's a whole lot to be lying about.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5790.msg904974#msg904974


Lindsey Baum:  Facebook Entry

TWILIGHT FREAK is happy that her brother is going to juvi tomorrow.Mood: happ at 14:10 17 Jun view more

Lindsey Baum is happy that her brother is going to juvie tomorrow.
Mood: Happ at 14:10 17 June

http://www.myspace.com/477760045


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I have some questions!  Before you and MD hooked up and before MD was allowed custody he obviously must have been the better choice of two parents.  I'm curious to the amount of self education parents sought for a daughter with asbergers.  It is quite a struggle managing the physical and mental forms of this disability and also to navigate a medical world for treatment as well as goverment agencies.  This is such a rare form of of functioning autism I find it difficult to believe that MD and MB through you never had a discussion about support groups and help once the child with Asbergers enters school.  There are three support groups near McCleary that can help guide a parent.  JB has already entered the court system with his anti social fire starting and underlining aggression.  Being MB's friend she didn't confide in you (knowledge is power) her frustrations with JB because they were huge in the psychiatric world of getting a child help.  This seemed to be source of concern for Lindsey with what we know to date.  My space comments, running to the neighbors for help and calling 911.  Whoa monkey's, jump back.  Your a close friend now so I ask how mom is handeling the new school yr. for JB and pray due to his agressive, firestarting behaviors if he is in a behavior modification program and if the scholl will let him attend.   A frustrating loss may bring out even worse syptoms if not addressed.  If MB isn't in a support group I would be more than gratefull to direct her in the right and good diretion.



Mark would be the better person to address this but I will do my best as I am new to learning about aspergers. Aspergers, as most conditions affect people differently. JB and MD's daughter are as different as night and day. Also again, we just got the girls awarded to us August 25th. Prior to that they have been splitting time between their mother and us. MD and his family are from Olympia. Different cities, different schools, there really wasnt a reason to connect JB and MD's daughter. MD and his ex wife have researched aspergers, joined the different groups, fought to get an IEP, ect.. I know what MB goes through with JB and he has more issues than aspergers so we dont deal with anything that MB does. thanks for your concern regarding that but MB has been dealing with this issue for years.

Also, Mark is not the better parent but we do currently provide the best situation for the children.  The girls mom loves them wholeheartedly and we hope that her anger will not be a deterant in finding common ground when it comes to raising the girls.

regarding MB. She is doing what she can to help JB. She has the programs in place that need to be there and thank you for your concern


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« Reply #1567 on: October 03, 2009, 02:53:07 PM »

This sure does not look good.

His Mom got a call for him from LE to do a phone interview,he was asleep,Mom calls LE back and says he left the home and gives LE his cell number.LE calls him and he says he was not working at BeeHive that Friday and Saturday but was working at his other job on June 26th even though he was spotted driving around town that Friday.

LE calls his other job and finds out he was on disciplinary leave from June 7th through June 27th.
OMG......

I have no idea whether or not this young man is involved in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum but ... I believe that LE were justified in their suspicions ... justified in searching the home/property where he resides.  I just do not understand what took them so long.

 

Janet

I agree
Unless we are to believe his boss at the campground lied,his exgirlfriend or current girlfriend lied,Melissa Baum lied about him following her,LE is lying about their suspicions and LE and the Judge lied,illegally,just to get this search warrant,the now 21 year old girl and her siblings all lied back in 2000,lied about being made to watch porn and lied about being held in a bedroom at the age of 12 while your babysitter tried to rape you,JenniferO lied about seeing Dale and his car at the Shell station during last night's search and his drivers door was working just fine(from witnesses that saw him and his car there).

I'm not going to apologize for having my suspicions about Dale Golder,not even if it turns out that all of the above is true because all I am doing is what I would do in any missing child case......no matter who is investigating it and no matter who is communicating with whom.
We all have opinions and are allowed to express them.
That is what I did above.

it is 3 months later... I would think after 3 months someone might just fix their door handle?

Karma and all.  I believe all of you should research the guy if you so choose, I have no problem with anyone researching anyone... what I have a problem with is everyone getting upset at ME, because "I" don't want to waste MY time doing the research.  I'm not the ONLY researher by far.  No one is stopping anyone else from researching the guy, are they?  I might just in and respond when I know something it not correct... but so far I don't see anyone RESEARCHING the guy, it is all just saying he looks weird, or his myspace name is weird or this or that.  Please DIG and find something if it is there.  DIG DIG AND DIG... that is what research is.  If I see some LEGIT RESEARCH that makes me go HMMMM, I will be the first to check it out further, but I have already done that and I see nothing.  so for me to keep looking, is a waste, yet people have gotten furious at me because I can't dig up something on this guy.  sorry, there is NOTHING to find.
It was one month later and it was hard to believe that Mom Baum could have gotten her car fixed?
DD,I see no one getting upset with you because you won't search Dale out.I see no one here expecting you to search out Dale.I do see some of us tip toeing around the Dale issue out of respect to you and your research.
And believe me,we are researching and searching out anything to do with Dale Golder.Personally,for me,I need to do my own researching because when I see for myself whatever info pops up,it makes it easier for me to believe.I do appreciate your researches,thank you.


oh god, please do not tip toe around me. NEVER.  as long as no one personally attacks me, by saying I am sic or sticking up for a child rapist or weird comments like that, by all means RESEARCH the heck out of this guy and his whole family etc.  I have no concerns about anyone researching anyone unless it is for reasons to research a poster to cause them crap, and believe me I have been asked to do that many times by posters and I say NO. as for researching dale I had posters on my board who were main members who went off the deep end at me because "I" would not do the research on Dale. I told them feel free to research him all they wanted, just that I had other things to do and I saw no point in my having to dig anymore after there was nothing more I could do.  So I'm a bit sensitive over being called names and trashed by SOME people because "I" won't use my time to research the guy.  I just the ones who keep saying to research him would just do it and quit harping at ME to do it. 

I know YOU know how to research so yes I expect YOU are researching him,  I honestly don't have any problem with that.  It is the ones who keep telling me "I" need to be researching him 'for them'.  Gee, researching is hard time consuming work, and I have other things to do and I just get tired of people acting like I have to be the one to do it.  I don't see me on anyone's payroll LOL
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« Reply #1568 on: October 03, 2009, 02:56:50 PM »

grrrr i am getting error msgs so sorry if this posts more than once

Ok I took some quick notes and hopefully I am addressing everything and in no order. I apologize up front for all the misspellings that will follow as I am just typing my mind before I lose thoughts.

MB’s house was searched more than once over the first few days. When I arrived at her house LE was still there and had been for hours. They checked inside and out looking for ANYTHING that was a clue regarding what happened to LJ.  In my opinion, because of all these cases where the parents ARE involved these days, LE searched houses immidately with dual eyes, looking for a clue as well as anything incriminating.  LE had put the police tape over the door so that nobody would go in there while they were conducting their search. It was requested for a couple weeks to leave it up and still not enter the room while they continued to put togther pieces of the puzzle and search for clues as tips came in. MB has chosen to leave it up and not enter the room since then, leaving it as it was (pig stye and all lol) as the plan had been for LJ to get a new bed and rearrange the room ect

Some one asked about her phone call to me when LJ went missing. It was very brief. It was midniteish. I was sleeping. She asked if I had heard from or seen LJ at all that evening, I said no why, she said LJ was missing, I said ok let me know if you need anything. Then hung up.  When I spoke to her sister the next morning she said still no sign of LJ so I went over there to MB’s house. By that time GHC was involved.   I don’t know what time it was for sure they stopped looking at LJ has just being a possible runaway but it was hours later after she was missing and then local LE called for back up.

I too have asked several times why KK hasn’t taken a poly and the story is still the same. She hasn’t been asked by LE to take one but will gladly do it if she is asked. I wish I had an answer as to why they haven’t asked her to. Her bf SW volunteered to do it, he wasn’t asked. I assume its because he is male and knows how it would look.

I wasn’t aware MB had a curfew that she couldn’t be out at midnite. When she was being followed she didn’t know who it was. She called the cops, they checked the plates, asked if she knew him and she didn’t. that is how she knew who was following hher.

Um DD,, reread my post, the key broken off is NOT the only reason why her car was not running. I am not a mechanic so I cant tell you what the issue is. I know her uncle or brother used their own vehicle to try to start it and had to have her car on the battery jumper cables for a long time before it would start.

Anyways, I am having a busy Saturday in the store this morning (yah me) and I still have to address things but will do it between customers but wanted to at least get started.
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« Reply #1569 on: October 03, 2009, 02:57:49 PM »

Sorry everyone, but me thinks it is time for me to sit in the rafters for a while.  What is the real truth.  Who knows?  Right now I am beginning to believe the confiscated dildo may very well belong to Tena.  Only logical answer.  I am so confused.  I do believe all this chatter is moving the ball forward and that is good.  Keep it up and I will be back.  shortcake

I dont find any importance in them finding a sex toy...they are legal to buy and you may be surprised to know who does own them.  I also find no importance in finding porn in a young mans house.  Geez, I ordered my ex-hubby a dirty magazine for his birthday once!  This in itself is no crime.

But some of the other situations people have claimed that this guy put them in, now that makes me extremely suspicious. 

Please dont sit in the rafters...all opinions are theories are welcomed!
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« Reply #1570 on: October 03, 2009, 02:58:43 PM »

Hi DD,
So, when you offered to set up a fund for a private investigator, Mom Baum was all for it? Instead of thinking that a private investigator could be helpful in locating her missing daughter, she was just interested in finding information on her Dad Baum? That is bizarre at best! I went back and found the information that I was looking for with regards to Mom Baums' car. This was a snippet from JennO from another board.

MBs car runs and does get her from point A to point B but the heater fan is going out. It decides when it wants to run. I talked to my husband and he said it could be an easy fix. So we will get a hold of MB (maybe during the next search) and see what can be done. She's going to need heat here pretty soon. Fall is sneaking up on us.

that is exactly what happened about the PI.. that is also what happened about everything I tries to suggest how I might help.. all about how to do something to SB and nothing to do with lindsey, so I finally just asked her why was she not focused and I then heard all the trash.  at that point I just quit emailing.  it was pointless and in the process of trying to figure out if she always acted like that or was it she just was not coping, the people close to her were telling me about all their suspicions, so I just quit emailing all of them.
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« Reply #1571 on: October 03, 2009, 03:00:58 PM »

MM - thank you so much for answering our questions.  Please know that we appreciate it  an angelic monkey
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« Reply #1572 on: October 03, 2009, 03:01:13 PM »

DD,
I noticed you were quick to say Dale would likely have gotten his doorhandles repaired by now, but assumed that MB's car would not have been repaired by July 31, & thenfore if it was running on July 31, it must have been running on June 26th?? Makes no sense to me.
DD, what is your take on this?

sorry slow to get answered.  I was about 5 pages behind when I started reading, and there is one of me to read and answer all of you, so I am still behind trying to catch up, almost caught up so going as quickly as I can...
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« Reply #1573 on: October 03, 2009, 03:06:29 PM »

DD I do not know anyone in this case personally, it is a strange bunch forsure. Everyone fighting, pointing fingers, spying on each other...seems like a bad episode of some TV crime drama to say the truth.
Truth, what is the truth in this case? Do we believe dogs? Do we discount dogs? Do we look at everyone's behavior or only some? Do we fight the rumors? Do we use the rumors as maybe pointing to some truth? This case is hard, just plain hard. I am just going to say publically, I do not know who did this, I am not going to back anyone, every single person is suspect.


and that is EXACTLY how you should be tracy... that is how you figure things out.  you don't care what anyone else thinks, you just figure it all out for yourself and then you know what you think and why.  there are NO SIDES to this, there is the truth and everyone has to do what they have to do to find it for themself.  I totally agree with you.   an angelic monkey
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« Reply #1574 on: October 03, 2009, 03:07:30 PM »

This sure does not look good.

His Mom got a call for him from LE to do a phone interview,he was asleep,Mom calls LE back and says he left the home and gives LE his cell number.LE calls him and he says he was not working at BeeHive that Friday and Saturday but was working at his other job on June 26th even though he was spotted driving around town that Friday.

LE calls his other job and finds out he was on disciplinary leave from June 7th through June 27th.
OMG......

I have no idea whether or not this young man is involved in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum but ... I believe that LE were justified in their suspicions ... justified in searching the home/property where he resides.  I just do not understand what took them so long.

 

Janet

I agree
Unless we are to believe his boss at the campground lied,his exgirlfriend or current girlfriend lied,Melissa Baum lied about him following her,LE is lying about their suspicions and LE and the Judge lied,illegally,just to get this search warrant,the now 21 year old girl and her siblings all lied back in 2000,lied about being made to watch porn and lied about being held in a bedroom at the age of 12 while your babysitter tried to rape you,JenniferO lied about seeing Dale and his car at the Shell station during last night's search and his drivers door was working just fine(from witnesses that saw him and his car there).

I'm not going to apologize for having my suspicions about Dale Golder,not even if it turns out that all of the above is true because all I am doing is what I would do in any missing child case......no matter who is investigating it and no matter who is communicating with whom.
We all have opinions and are allowed to express them.
That is what I did above.

it is 3 months later... I would think after 3 months someone might just fix their door handle?

Karma and all.  I believe all of you should research the guy if you so choose, I have no problem with anyone researching anyone... what I have a problem with is everyone getting upset at ME, because "I" don't want to waste MY time doing the research.  I'm not the ONLY researher by far.  No one is stopping anyone else from researching the guy, are they?  I might just in and respond when I know something it not correct... but so far I don't see anyone RESEARCHING the guy, it is all just saying he looks weird, or his myspace name is weird or this or that.  Please DIG and find something if it is there.  DIG DIG AND DIG... that is what research is.  If I see some LEGIT RESEARCH that makes me go HMMMM, I will be the first to check it out further, but I have already done that and I see nothing.  so for me to keep looking, is a waste, yet people have gotten furious at me because I can't dig up something on this guy.  sorry, there is NOTHING to find.
It was one month later and it was hard to believe that Mom Baum could have gotten her car fixed?
DD,I see no one getting upset with you because you won't search Dale out.I see no one here expecting you to search out Dale.I do see some of us tip toeing around the Dale issue out of respect to you and your research.
And believe me,we are researching and searching out anything to do with Dale Golder.Personally,for me,I need to do my own researching because when I see for myself whatever info pops up,it makes it easier for me to believe.I do appreciate your researches,thank you.


oh god, please do not tip toe around me. NEVER.  as long as no one personally attacks me, by saying I am sic or sticking up for a child rapist or weird comments like that, by all means RESEARCH the heck out of this guy and his whole family etc.  I have no concerns about anyone researching anyone unless it is for reasons to research a poster to cause them crap, and believe me I have been asked to do that many times by posters and I say NO. as for researching dale I had posters on my board who were main members who went off the deep end at me because "I" would not do the research on Dale. I told them feel free to research him all they wanted, just that I had other things to do and I saw no point in my having to dig anymore after there was nothing more I could do.  So I'm a bit sensitive over being called names and trashed by SOME people because "I" won't use my time to research the guy.  I just the ones who keep saying to research him would just do it and quit harping at ME to do it. 

I know YOU know how to research so yes I expect YOU are researching him,  I honestly don't have any problem with that.  It is the ones who keep telling me "I" need to be researching him 'for them'.  Gee, researching is hard time consuming work, and I have other things to do and I just get tired of people acting like I have to be the one to do it.  I don't see me on anyone's payroll LOL
Ahh,I understand now,that was from your crime board.

Can you tell me if the conflict between Dale and Judge Stephen Brown has anything to do with Dale dating a relative of Judge Brown's?
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« Reply #1575 on: October 03, 2009, 03:09:54 PM »

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I saw that you were on today. Is MB positive that it was in fact DG that followed her? Does she remember the date? How long did he follow her? From what point to what point? Thank you!
I'm very curious about the date this happened 

In the SW it says it was July 31st just after midnight.

well I know they were following KM all over the place, going by their house and following her around town.  why was MB out at midnight on july 31, where dale was.  were they following him around that night as well.  if someone kept following people in my family around I think I might want to figure out why as well and see who they are.  I think this fits right in with other things MB and them wre doing at the time.  I will have to go through my board and emails and see when they were saying they were doing what. 
From my understanding(I could be wrong)Mom Baum knows someone,a friend that works at the BeeHive.She may have been visiting this friend that late seeing as the BeeHive seems to have 24 hour shift workers.I wonder why Dale wouldn't have recconized Mom Baum considering he worked late shifts also?You would think they would have noticed eachother at some point right?

can you tell me which friend of mb works at beehive? thanks
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« Reply #1576 on: October 03, 2009, 03:10:49 PM »

THE POLYGRAPHS

The only words of Sheriff Scott that I have read regarding the issue of polygraphys is the following article.  Please note that Scott states that the polygraphs were taken at the request of Melissa Baum and Scott Williams ... not requested by LE.

I realized that nobody can be forced to take a polygraph but ... why were all of those with direct connections to Lindsey on the evening of June 26, 2009 ... in the process of elimination ... not immediately requested by LE to take polygraphs.

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FBI: Stranger not likely behind girl's disappearance
Story Published: Jul 1, 2009 at 7:35 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 2, 2009 at 1:09 PM PDT


The missing girl's mother, who wanted avoid becoming the center of the investigation, voluntarily took a polygraph test. The father of the girl's best friend, Scott Williams, also volunteered to take the test.

"At their requests polygraphs were given to them. They passed those polygraphs. We're comfortable with the information they've shared with us and comfortable with the timeline they've explained," said Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott.

http://www.komonews.com/news/49651607.html
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« Reply #1577 on: October 03, 2009, 03:14:48 PM »

Karma, now that is interesting about Dale dating a relative of the judges 
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« Reply #1578 on: October 03, 2009, 03:15:44 PM »

grrrr i am getting error msgs so sorry if this posts more than once

Ok I took some quick notes and hopefully I am addressing everything and in no order. I apologize up front for all the misspellings that will follow as I am just typing my mind before I lose thoughts.

MB’s house was searched more than once over the first few days. When I arrived at her house LE was still there and had been for hours. They checked inside and out looking for ANYTHING that was a clue regarding what happened to LJ.  In my opinion, because of all these cases where the parents ARE involved these days, LE searched houses immidately with dual eyes, looking for a clue as well as anything incriminating.  LE had put the police tape over the door so that nobody would go in there while they were conducting their search. It was requested for a couple weeks to leave it up and still not enter the room while they continued to put togther pieces of the puzzle and search for clues as tips came in. MB has chosen to leave it up and not enter the room since then, leaving it as it was (pig stye and all lol) as the plan had been for LJ to get a new bed and rearrange the room ect

Some one asked about her phone call to me when LJ went missing. It was very brief. It was midniteish. I was sleeping. She asked if I had heard from or seen LJ at all that evening, I said no why, she said LJ was missing, I said ok let me know if you need anything. Then hung up.  When I spoke to her sister the next morning she said still no sign of LJ so I went over there to MB’s house. By that time GHC was involved.   I don’t know what time it was for sure they stopped looking at LJ has just being a possible runaway but it was hours later after she was missing and then local LE called for back up.

I too have asked several times why KK hasn’t taken a poly and the story is still the same. She hasn’t been asked by LE to take one but will gladly do it if she is asked. I wish I had an answer as to why they haven’t asked her to. Her bf SW volunteered to do it, he wasn’t asked. I assume its because he is male and knows how it would look.

I wasn’t aware MB had a curfew that she couldn’t be out at midnite. When she was being followed she didn’t know who it was. She called the cops, they checked the plates, asked if she knew him and she didn’t. that is how she knew who was following hher.

Um DD,, reread my post, the key broken off is NOT the only reason why her car was not running. I am not a mechanic so I cant tell you what the issue is. I know her uncle or brother used their own vehicle to try to start it and had to have her car on the battery jumper cables for a long time before it would start.

Anyways, I am having a busy Saturday in the store this morning (yah me) and I still have to address things but will do it between customers but wanted to at least get started.


I read everything you say MM, but my question is

when did the key break off and how.  And just because a car does run very well does not mean it does not run. heck many people have cars that never run well, but they still go

I just want to know how that key was broken off and when...
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« Reply #1579 on: October 03, 2009, 03:17:11 PM »

MM,
I saw that you were on today. Is MB positive that it was in fact DG that followed her? Does she remember the date? How long did he follow her? From what point to what point? Thank you!
I'm very curious about the date this happened 

In the SW it says it was July 31st just after midnight.

well I know they were following KM all over the place, going by their house and following her around town.  why was MB out at midnight on july 31, where dale was.  were they following him around that night as well.  if someone kept following people in my family around I think I might want to figure out why as well and see who they are.  I think this fits right in with other things MB and them wre doing at the time.  I will have to go through my board and emails and see when they were saying they were doing what. 
From my understanding(I could be wrong)Mom Baum knows someone,a friend that works at the BeeHive.She may have been visiting this friend that late seeing as the BeeHive seems to have 24 hour shift workers.I wonder why Dale wouldn't have recconized Mom Baum considering he worked late shifts also?You would think they would have noticed eachother at some point right?

can you tell me which friend of mb works at beehive? thanks
I read that somewhere and I'll have to try and find it again.Lindsey has a friend who's Mother works there.I may have gotten that confused.
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