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« Reply #1620 on: October 03, 2009, 05:32:14 PM »

I would like to know who Tab and Libby are. Didn't I read something about Libby in the search warrants?
Yup,Tab and Libby Nelson.Libby works at the BeeHive,her daughter is supposedly friends with Lindsey.
Lindsey was swimming at their house the Thursday and Friday before she went missing.



Is this the pool with the stove next to it as a diving board?
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« Reply #1621 on: October 03, 2009, 05:35:15 PM »

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As for other kids playing in the area, I have heard there were. Again though, its summer time, not dark out yet, it’s a nightly occurance for kids to be out, the overall feeling of the community was it was safe to do so.  And there were teens which are kids in my mind still. Some of whom were questioned.

Now this is interesting isn't it? Why Lindsey? Was someone specifically following her, think Jaycee dugar? There were other children around...This is also sort of "gutsy" isn't it? To take a child off the street when others are around and can possibly see? I was thinking she was all alone...

So if people were on the street around maple so the mayor saw them is it safe to assume there where other children/people closer to LB's house, the gas station, the other streets? She must have disappeared off that spot because if she was not the only person out that night, someone would have seen her. Is this how they determined the last person to see her was the woman in the car? I always wondered about that, how they knew. I assumed it was because no one else was around, but maybe they questioned other people hanging out on the street that night.

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« Reply #1622 on: October 03, 2009, 05:36:32 PM »

I think this may be the pool we have been discussing this morning.  It does not appear to be covered but it is hard to tell.
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« Reply #1623 on: October 03, 2009, 05:37:37 PM »

I would like to know who Tab and Libby are. Didn't I read something about Libby in the search warrants?
Yup,Tab and Libby Nelson.Libby works at the BeeHive,her daughter is supposedly friends with Lindsey.
Lindsey was swimming at their house the Thursday and Friday before she went missing.



Is this the girl who was being so awful to Lindsey and then they "made up"?
I'm not sure Sebastian,I've read the girl is Libby and Tab's neice and the search warrant states the girl is Libby's daughter.
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« Reply #1624 on: October 03, 2009, 05:38:52 PM »

Nor rose are you thinking maybe lindsey went there to go swimming? I am not quite following you and want to know what your thinking about this pool. I am not connecting to the dots.
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« Reply #1625 on: October 03, 2009, 05:39:00 PM »

Am I reading the search warrant correctly where it states that when interviewed, dale says on the night of Lindsey's disappearance, he was home at 9pm then passed out?? 

I thought he had an alibi?

Fortunately ... there were witness sightings of this passed out young man ...

 

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KOMO News has learned the young man was working at the Bee Hive Retirement Center at the time of the 11-year-old girl's disappearance. The girl was last seen in front of the center.

The man's family members and his next-door neighbor say he was at home when the girl vanished.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/62753227.html

Ya Ya,  He was on his cellie at 9:26.  And his car was witnessed being driven by the Beehive at about 10 pm.   The affidavit states the time of her going missing between 9:15 and 10 pm.  So his car has been placed at the same place and within the same time frame where she was last seen.  The pings from his cell might well place him there at that time as well.

One thing still unknown are the forensic results from some items taken.  That would include anything gleaned from electronics as in computers or cell phone findings.  IMO


One thing I question is the location of the Beehive acc to the affidavit.  I states it is between 5th and 6th on Maple and I called the dispatcher in GHC the other nite and she said it is between 6th and 7th  ???

now that is something I would really like to see come out...the cell phone pings.  but where is the tower, do they have more than one, and how far is maple from his house.  would the pings be able to establish any difference if his phone was on maple or where he was with his alibi?  mccleary is small, where are the towers and how many is a good place to start.  now this I would like to know and I believe this is something really valid to look at. 
Hi DD,  This shows the cell towers that service the McCleary area.  I don't know how current this map is:

http://find.mapmuse.com/re1/map_brand_mm2.php?brandID=CELL_TOWERS&addr=MCCLEARY,%20WA&tlist=CELL_TOWERS,

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« Reply #1626 on: October 03, 2009, 05:39:38 PM »

Just a thought about the porno mags.  If the LE found old playboy mags as we were told.  Why put them in a evidence bag?  Then again if they were "child" type, who would they arrest if nobody would admit it was theirs(I believe 4 adults live there).  You know "it was left by a friend or some transient".  Just a possibility.  Seems like a lot we do not know for sure.  shortcake
Also if there is 4 adults living there and Kona has a hubby and 2 sons,one of which is in the Army,who is the 4th adult that LE spoke to when they did the search?
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« Reply #1627 on: October 03, 2009, 05:39:59 PM »

Homeowner Posts List Of Items Seized In McCleary Search


MCCLEARY, Wash. -- A McCleary homeowner angry over a search for evidence in a missing girl case has posted a list of items police took from the home.

Police acknowledged that the search that began Friday found no evidence that will help find 11-year-old Lindsey Baum, who disappeared June 26 while walking home from a friend's house.

UNCUT: Police Team Searches McCleary Property  http://www.kirotv.com/video/21181751/index.html

The homeowner posted the documents on a forum, http://truecrime.forums-free.com/the-evidence-receipts-t1381.html? ,  detailing what police removed from the house and explaining where each item came from.

The documents show police took clothes, film, computer equipment, condoms and a "bag with green vegetation" that the homeowner described as "weed."

The homeowner told KIRO 7 Eyewitness News reporter Richard Thompson that "they didn't find anything here because we didn't do anything to that little girl."

A relative of the man who was the focus of the search said that "the only reason they were doing this search is, he gave a wrong answer to a question by a detective on the telephone."

The homeowner has contacted a lawyer and is considering a lawsuit.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21181508/detail.html
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« Reply #1628 on: October 03, 2009, 05:40:38 PM »





photo of mil where a search is being done today 2 law enforsment and two unmarked. Info was recieved by mill office.

ok here is a discription of the dots

Yellow dot is the woods behind the mill where they are searching.

Red dot is the home the Feesers used to own years ago.

White dot is the white house that came to my mind when Adam cambel spoke of whitehouse.

Blue dot is the Elma Mccleary road
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« Reply #1629 on: October 03, 2009, 05:42:50 PM »

I am not sure if LE can be sued, they are supposed to investigate, but I wonder if it is proven people lied to the police if they can not only be sued but held legally accountable. Seems they would be charged with something. What a mess this is.
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« Reply #1630 on: October 03, 2009, 05:44:03 PM »

Nor rose are you thinking maybe lindsey went there to go swimming? I am not quite following you and want to know what your thinking about this pool. I am not connecting to the dots.

No not at all.  I do not think at this point that she went there to go swimming, though anything is possible.  I do have a hard time believing that the pool was used as a source for household water however, even if it is just for grey water.  That is a lot of gallons of water to flush your toilets with. 
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« Reply #1631 on: October 03, 2009, 05:44:34 PM »

I think this may be the pool we have been discussing this morning.  It does not appear to be covered but it is hard to tell.
Interesting,it also doesn't look like there is any water in it and look at all those modes of transportation.
 
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« Reply #1632 on: October 03, 2009, 06:16:39 PM »

Am I reading the search warrant correctly where it states that when interviewed, dale says on the night of Lindsey's disappearance, he was home at 9pm then passed out?? 

I thought he had an alibi?

Fortunately ... there were witness sightings of this passed out young man ...

 

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KOMO NEWS - SEPTEMBER 29, 2009

KOMO News has learned the young man was working at the Bee Hive Retirement Center at the time of the 11-year-old girl's disappearance. The girl was last seen in front of the center.

The man's family members and his next-door neighbor say he was at home when the girl vanished.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/62753227.html

Ya Ya,  He was on his cellie at 9:26.  And his car was witnessed being driven by the Beehive at about 10 pm.   The affidavit states the time of her going missing between 9:15 and 10 pm.  So his car has been placed at the same place and within the same time frame where she was last seen.  The pings from his cell might well place him there at that time as well.

One thing still unknown are the forensic results from some items taken.  That would include anything gleaned from electronics as in computers or cell phone findings.  IMO


One thing I question is the location of the Beehive acc to the affidavit.  I states it is between 5th and 6th on Maple and I called the dispatcher in GHC the other nite and she said it is between 6th and 7th  ???

now that is something I would really like to see come out...the cell phone pings.  but where is the tower, do they have more than one, and how far is maple from his house.  would the pings be able to establish any difference if his phone was on maple or where he was with his alibi?  mccleary is small, where are the towers and how many is a good place to start.  now this I would like to know and I believe this is something really valid to look at. 
Hi DD,  This shows the cell towers that service the McCleary area.  I don't know how current this map is:

http://find.mapmuse.com/re1/map_brand_mm2.php?brandID=CELL_TOWERS&addr=MCCLEARY,%20WA&tlist=CELL_TOWERS,



thanks scandi, will take a look... cell towers is not my best thing to research, just never did too much of it but will see if I can figure it out some. 
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photo of mil where a search is being done today 2 law enforsment and two unmarked. Info was recieved by mill office.

ok here is a discription of the dots

Yellow dot is the woods behind the mill where they are searching.

Red dot is the home the Feesers used to own years ago.

White dot is the white house that came to my mind when Adam cambel spoke of whitehouse.

Blue dot is the Elma Mccleary road


Thank you madibabe.  Is this a different search then the one scheduled for today with Oprah's people possibly being there?  Can someone please confirm if Feeser was the creek guy?  TIA.
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« Reply #1634 on: October 03, 2009, 06:25:00 PM »


No, it was not Dales appearence I was referring to, it is his myspace name.  shortcake
There must be more that I'm not seeing, I can't log in to see more, because I don't have a password, so I take it there is something disturbing that I'm not seeing? 

I have been inside that myspace there is nothing in there at all whichi is disturbing that I saw.  He likes to work on his car seems pretty much to be what he is all about.  His screen name is not one I would choose to have but it just falls in line with today's music, and if you have ever listened to that type of music(which you probably have not), then it's just something people his age say.  I don't find it sinister or telling. google any rap song and you will find the lyrics are full of these sayings.  It just the times and the music and sad to say but in today's music and culture for many kids, this seems "cool".  I believe he was just trying to "act cool", which I would not choose a name like that but when I was young in the 60's I think of all the people who said stuff (which I won't even type), was just as bad if not worse.  We said it, we embroidered it on our clothing, etc.  Back then that was pretty shocking to our parents as well.  I did it, I thought it was the thing that was "IN", I think in this day and age our young people are just listen to the music of today and they are using those phrases to try to "be cool".  ugh, yes; sinister; no. 

We'll have to agree to disagree on the myspace stuff, DD.  My youngest son is near the same age as DG.  And while he and his older brothers (mid to late 20s) do listen to some of that same music, knowing the lyrics and such, as do some of their friends, this group of young adults don't have stuff like that on their myspaces, (of those that have myspaces, my sons don't).  So I'm not thinking the type of thing on DGs myspace can be so generically explained away as being 'just the times' etc.  There is a disturbing element that goes thru DGs whole myspace page, including his choice of bumper stickers, what his nic is, etc.  IMO, all of it together reflect *his* own attitude in life and such.  And that is what I find so disturbing.  I wouldn't lump all of it together as simply being what others his age are into.  Perhaps some his age, yes, but certainly not the signs of the times, as if it's all so very acceptable.  It's not acceptable even by some in that age group.  IMO.  Music, yes, that is listened to by some in that age group.  If it can be called music, lol.     

It's not only coming from my perspective, fuddy-duddy at 55 years old.  I had my two younger sons take a look at that page, for their perspectives.  Middle son (into the music) said 'damn!', went away shaking his head.  I asked youngest son (into the cars) if what is on that page was typical for their age group, and he looked at me saying, 'uhhhh no mom'.  Well I didn't think so, but had to check. 

I understand how very much you believe what you do about DG, and I want to give him every benefit of the doubt, until/unless what is being said etc are proven to be lies and rumors or truth.  It's becoming very hard to do so tho, because there sure seems to be a lot stacking up against him.  And I have to wonder, if this truly is a frameup, why would SO MANY seem to be lying to LE, about so much?  Or is LE, the FBI, the judge, as well as DGs supervisor at the youth camp, be in on the frameup as well?  And if so... then why???  What kind of huge thing would they actually be covering for?  For these professionals to be risking their very careers?  I can understand lies/rumors/coverups etc from several regular folks, parents, friends of the family, and family members themselves, sure.  But not all the others combined.  C'mon!!!! 

Or what am I missing then?     
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« Reply #1635 on: October 03, 2009, 06:26:00 PM »

Am I reading the search warrant correctly where it states that when interviewed, dale says on the night of Lindsey's disappearance, he was home at 9pm then passed out?? 

I thought he had an alibi?

Fortunately ... there were witness sightings of this passed out young man ...

 

Janet

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KOMO NEWS - SEPTEMBER 29, 2009

KOMO News has learned the young man was working at the Bee Hive Retirement Center at the time of the 11-year-old girl's disappearance. The girl was last seen in front of the center.

The man's family members and his next-door neighbor say he was at home when the girl vanished.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/62753227.html

Ya Ya,  He was on his cellie at 9:26.  And his car was witnessed being driven by the Beehive at about 10 pm.   The affidavit states the time of her going missing between 9:15 and 10 pm.  So his car has been placed at the same place and within the same time frame where she was last seen.  The pings from his cell might well place him there at that time as well.

One thing still unknown are the forensic results from some items taken.  That would include anything gleaned from electronics as in computers or cell phone findings.  IMO


One thing I question is the location of the Beehive acc to the affidavit.  I states it is between 5th and 6th on Maple and I called the dispatcher in GHC the other nite and she said it is between 6th and 7th  ???

now that is something I would really like to see come out...the cell phone pings.  but where is the tower, do they have more than one, and how far is maple from his house.  would the pings be able to establish any difference if his phone was on maple or where he was with his alibi?  mccleary is small, where are the towers and how many is a good place to start.  now this I would like to know and I believe this is something really valid to look at. 
Hi DD,  This shows the cell towers that service the McCleary area.  I don't know how current this map is:

http://find.mapmuse.com/re1/map_brand_mm2.php?brandID=CELL_TOWERS&addr=MCCLEARY,%20WA&tlist=CELL_TOWERS,



thanks scandi, will take a look... cell towers is not my best thing to research, just never did too much of it but will see if I can figure it out some. 
Here is a list of all the Elma Towers, I will see if I can find more around MCleary:

Full list of 8 FCC Registered Antenna Towers in Elma, WA:
ROBERT S SNOW, Pine +2nd Street (Lat: 47.005083 Lon: -123.402361), Type: Tower, Structure height: 15.2 m, Overall height: 15.2 m, , Licensee ID: L00144848
Registrant: Public Utility Dist. #1of Grays Harbor County, Aberdeen, WA 98520,

ROBERT S SNOW, Minot Peak 7 Miles South Of Elma Wa. (Lat: 46.891500 Lon: -123.416278), Type: Tower, Structure height: 21.3 m, Overall height: 21.3 m, , Licensee ID: L00144848
Registrant: Public Utility Dist. #1of Grays Harbor County, Aberdeen, WA 98520, Phone:

Lottie L Thompson, 510 Workman Creek Road (Elma #43230) (Lat: 46.971556 Lon: -123.439028), Type: Tower, Structure height: 61.6 m, Overall height: 63.4 m
Registrant: American Towers, Inc., 1101 Perimeter Drive, Schaumburg, IL 60173, Phone:

Robert Leedham, Rr Ave & #rd St (Lat: 47.007583 Lon: -123.404333), Type: Tower, Structure height: 27.4 m, Overall height: 33.5 m
Registrant: The Burlington Northern And Santa Fe Railway Co, 4515 Kansas Avenue, Kansas City, KS 66106-1199, Phone:

Ross Read, E End Of Tower Boulevard, Concrete Cooling Tower #3 (Lat: 46.960833 Lon: -123.463056), Type: Building, Structure height: 152.4 m, Overall height: 161.5 m
Registrant: Radio Licensing Services, Milwaukie, OR 97269-2161, Phone:

Ross Read, W End Of Tower Boulevard, Concrete Cooling Tower #5 (Lat: 46.959167 Lon: -123.474444), Type: Building, Structure height: 152.4 m, Overall height: 161.5 m
Registrant: Radio Licensing Services, Milwaukie, OR 97269-2161,


PETER M CONNOLLY, 2.5 Mi Se (Lat: 46.986111 Lon: -123.358056), Type: Tower, Structure height: 115.8 m, Overall height: 118.9 m
Registrant: Holland & Knight LLP, 2099 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W., Sui, Washington, DC 20006, Phone:


501 N. 2nd Street (Lat: 47.003333 Lon: -123.403333), Type: Tower, Structure height: 24.3 m, Overall height: 24.3 m
Registrant: Puget Sound And Pacific Railroad, 501 North 2nd Street, Elma, WA 98541, Phone:
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photo of mil where a search is being done today 2 law enforsment and two unmarked. Info was recieved by mill office.

ok here is a discription of the dots

Yellow dot is the woods behind the mill where they are searching.

Red dot is the home the Feesers used to own years ago.

White dot is the white house that came to my mind when Adam cambel spoke of whitehouse.

Blue dot is the Elma Mccleary road


Thank you madibabe.  Is this a different search then the one scheduled for today with Oprah's people possibly being there?  Can someone please confirm if Feeser was the creek guy?  TIA.

Thanks Madibabe!
It is good to know that LE is still following up other leads! Do you know how many people showed up to search today?
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« Reply #1637 on: October 03, 2009, 06:28:53 PM »

Nor rose are you thinking maybe lindsey went there to go swimming? I am not quite following you and want to know what your thinking about this pool. I am not connecting to the dots.

No not at all.  I do not think at this point that she went there to go swimming, though anything is possible.  I do have a hard time believing that the pool was used as a source for household water however, even if it is just for grey water.  That is a lot of gallons of water to flush your toilets with. 


let me try to explain the dry well situation in mccleary.  they are not the only one whose wells go dry around there.  people have hauled water there for years.  some use to use the local firetruck to haul their water, people do this.  it is not just kona who does it. 

it si not that uncommon.  really
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« Reply #1638 on: October 03, 2009, 06:30:06 PM »

Just a thought about the porno mags.  If the LE found old playboy mags as we were told.  Why put them in a evidence bag?  Then again if they were "child" type, who would they arrest if nobody would admit it was theirs(I believe 4 adults live there).  You know "it was left by a friend or some transient".  Just a possibility.  Seems like a lot we do not know for sure.  shortcake
Also if there is 4 adults living there and Kona has a hubby and 2 sons,one of which is in the Army,who is the 4th adult that LE spoke to when they did the search?
I don't know if they talked to anybody about the mags.  Just a thought, but his brother just recently went into the Army, so it could be his couldn't it?  I believe that is (4) adults living there recently.  I will have to reaserch, but I believe someone indicated he just went in(not sure).  shortcake
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« Reply #1639 on: October 03, 2009, 06:35:46 PM »

Wyks, great post.    Northern Rose thanks for the info 
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