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« Reply #180 on: September 28, 2009, 05:42:16 PM »

Thank you for that answer MM. I have asked several people, literally, lol. Some of the phones apparently you have to turn on, some you just have to place on the craddle and it will turn on once enough battery power is charged. But at some point the phone did ring because MB got through, am I too assume she turned it on? she also states she didn't have much battery power, only one bar although it sat on the craddle. Hmmmm I still have not put my finger on what is it about this taht has me questioning.   
Do you know if there was a plan in place in the case Linsdey was ever to walk home from Kayla's and Josh was not with her? If it was something done for Kayla, then was it something done for Lindsey usually?

Am I correct in my thinking that MB believed there was a plan in place to prevent LB from walking home alone that night....

I actually do not know the answer to that. I had never met KK prior to this. Outside of the normal griping or bragging about our children, MB and I didnt discuss those kind of things.  My child and hers have a large age span so they didnt hang out except when mine babysat them. Mark's girls that we now have custody of have never met MB's kids because LJ was missing prior to our hearing. So again something we just didnt talk about.  Yes there was a plan in place that night with jb walking with them. no one forsaw the arguement happening and jb going back home.

Oh my goodness that baby is just so darn cute!
Thank you for the reply. Do you know if there was a plan in place for the times Lindsey would leave Kara's and Josh was not with her? Did MB call and leave a message on Kara's phone, has that been asked? 

Melissa Baum stated herself that she did not begin to get worried until the 10:00 PM curfew passed.

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ABC News - June 30, 2009

Baum said her children began squabbling over the use of Josh's bike on the way there and were stopped by a family friend who sent Josh home to end the argument. Lindsey continued on to her friend's house. When Lindsey's friend found out she couldn't stay the night, Lindsey headed for home around 9:30 p.m.

"When she wasn't home by 10, I started to get nervous," Baum said, adding that 10 p.m. is the curfew for her children.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7966924&page=1
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« Reply #181 on: September 28, 2009, 05:44:42 PM »

IIRC, someone involved in this case, said that the person who sent Josh home...PAGED MB to let her know she was sending Josh home and again IIRC MB responded back that was OK.   Does anyone else remember this? 

Again, it would be so helpful to know exactly what these eyewitnesses reported, and to have a timeline from MB herself.

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Where did you read or hear that the family friend who intervened texted Melissa Baum in regards to the argument.

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« Reply #182 on: September 28, 2009, 05:46:17 PM »

Tamikosmom I can see what you are saying, I wonder if MB assumed Lindsey would be escorted back to the house by Kayla, her brother, her mother or what have you as what may have been done in the past.
I wish I knew if MB just thought Lindsey was spending the night over there since Josh would have told her the plans changed once he returned home...

Why are these details so hard to find out? Seems like they are basic questions, why is this spokes person not out there clearing this stuff up, after all being a PR spokes person, that would be her job, right? If she is being a spokes person, she sucks at it.
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« Reply #183 on: September 28, 2009, 05:46:41 PM »

IIRC, someone involved in this case, said that the person who sent Josh home...PAGED MB to let her know she was sending Josh home and again IIRC MB responded back that was OK.   Does anyone else remember this? 

Again, it would be so helpful to know exactly what these eyewitnesses reported, and to have a timeline from MB herself.

Madre

Where did you read or hear that the family friend who intervened texted Melissa Baum in regards to the argument.

Thanks

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Janet, give me some time to go look.  I think I  know, but don't want to say until I go back and look.
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« Reply #184 on: September 28, 2009, 05:49:56 PM »

If Josh wasn't home wouldnt she have been looking for him too?
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« Reply #185 on: September 28, 2009, 05:50:48 PM »

IIRC, someone involved in this case, said that the person who sent Josh home...PAGED MB to let her know she was sending Josh home and again IIRC MB responded back that was OK.   Does anyone else remember this? 

Again, it would be so helpful to know exactly what these eyewitnesses reported, and to have a timeline from MB herself.
I remember that, couldn't tell you when and where I read that 
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« Reply #186 on: September 28, 2009, 05:53:21 PM »

Tamikosmom I can see what you are saying, I wonder if MB assumed Lindsey would be escorted back to the house by Kayla, her brother, her mother or what have you as what may have been done in the past.
I wish I knew if MB just thought Lindsey was spending the night over there since Josh would have told her the plans changed once he returned home...

Why are these details so hard to find out? Seems like they are basic questions, why is this spokes person not out there clearing this stuff up, after all being a PR spokes person, that would be her job, right? If she is being a spokes person, she sucks at it.
These are basic questions  But basic questions don't seem to get answered very well 
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« Reply #187 on: September 28, 2009, 05:53:24 PM »

thank you I think she is pretty darn adorable myself.

i dont know anything more about search warrants than the rest of you. i heard it on the media and called mb. she said she wasnt given any information at that time other than they were the result of the investigation.

as for the witnesses, i wasnt aware it was a secret. I dont konw the people that live over there. I know the person who told jb to go home during the arguement is someone who was a co-worker of mb.  I haven't met her. I am sure her name was said in my presence but I dont recall.

I know MB had to give a timeline to LE best she could. I also know she tries to stay off these boards as so many horrible things are said,,,, examples the posts just a couple pages back judging her as a parent. i wouldnt want to come on here and read them either if I was her. She doesnt have the strong rutheless personality that I have and I know she has been upset by a few of the things I told her that was posted in the beginning. Or maybe she is the bigger person who would walk away in a fight where as i would fight back. For her, she has enough emotional stress going on but i will see if there is something somewhere for a time line but i thought it has been addressed by KK at some point.
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« Reply #188 on: September 28, 2009, 05:56:01 PM »

Tamikosmom I can see what you are saying, I wonder if MB assumed Lindsey would be escorted back to the house by Kayla, her brother, her mother or what have you as what may have been done in the past.
I wish I knew if MB just thought Lindsey was spending the night over there since Josh would have told her the plans changed once he returned home...

Why are these details so hard to find out? Seems like they are basic questions, why is this spokes person not out there clearing this stuff up, after all being a PR spokes person, that would be her job, right? If she is being a spokes person, she sucks at it.

Tracygirl, I don't know that Melissa Bart is the spokesperson.  All I know is she was in town at least once and communicated with MB.
I don't remember reading about a text message or page to MB -- not saying it didn't happen, I just don't recall reading it.  Can you page on a regular phone.  I'm confused. I didn't think MB had a cell phone.  Of course, Lindsey's cell phone was at the house, do you still have her on your plan MM?  I suppose MB would love for that to ring with her sweet child on the other end.
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« Reply #189 on: September 28, 2009, 06:05:08 PM »

thank you I think she is pretty darn adorable myself.

i dont know anything more about search warrants than the rest of you. i heard it on the media and called mb. she said she wasnt given any information at that time other than they were the result of the investigation.

as for the witnesses, i wasnt aware it was a secret. I dont konw the people that live over there. I know the person who told jb to go home during the arguement is someone who was a co-worker of mb.  I haven't met her. I am sure her name was said in my presence but I dont recall.

I know MB had to give a timeline to LE best she could. I also know she tries to stay off these boards as so many horrible things are said,,,, examples the posts just a couple pages back judging her as a parent. i wouldnt want to come on here and read them either if I was her. She doesnt have the strong rutheless personality that I have and I know she has been upset by a few of the things I told her that was posted in the beginning. Or maybe she is the bigger person who would walk away in a fight where as i would fight back. For her, she has enough emotional stress going on but i will see if there is something somewhere for a time line but i thought it has been addressed by KK at some point.

But, Melissa, the point is for Lindsey's mom HERSELF to give a timeline, not Kara.  Just saying.....
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« Reply #190 on: September 28, 2009, 06:05:17 PM »

I also think that even though we know bad things happen, we still think it cant/wont happen to us. this is as close to home as it gets for me outside of my own immidiate family and sad to say I am still doing things i probably shouldnt after what has happened to MB.  My daughter starts college in a week and will be commuting to seattle. I am hoping she meets people right away that maybe want to carpool so they can all save on gas money. My dad said to me 'make sure she carpools with some females and not any creepy males'.  do you think any thought like that even crossed my mind? nope... and  our other 2 girls ages 12 and 10 go out and jump on the trampoline in my front yard.  I have heard about kids getting snagged right out of their yards but i still let them do it. my curtain is open, i can see them but i am not standing out there with them always.  so i guess that makes me a horrible mother in the eyes of many.

and more of my blondeness,, i never realized till right this minute that clicking on those lil monkey things makes them appear in the posts! lol

 

The snatching of a child within his/her own yard while Mom is inside the house is nothing akin to allowing a child to walk the streets of town at dusk unable to defend herself from the unseen dangers that lurk.  Melissa Baum and Kara Kampen made selfish neglectful choices that had nothing to do with the well being of a child and ... the outcome is that a little girl is now missing and most like deceased.

Taking personal responsibility and learning is where it is at ... not justifying.

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Multi-agency search for missing McCleary girl
10:37 PM PDT on Monday, June 29, 2009


"The worst case scenario-she's the victim of foul play or some type of predator behavior," said Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott

Officers have contacted nearby registered sex offenders, revealing no clues.  Although there is no known evidence of a crime, the FBI has now joined multiple other agencies in the investigation.

http://www.nwcn.com/statenews/washington/stories/NW_062909WAB-Mccleary-girl-missing-LJ.1a971644.html


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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg857135#msg857135


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« Reply #191 on: September 28, 2009, 06:06:47 PM »

I found what I was looking for....  regarding the "witness" texting Lindsey's mom.  Am I allowed to bring several posts from another board (WS,  of course) over here???
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« Reply #192 on: September 28, 2009, 06:09:09 PM »

It was posted on here somewhere that the witness to send Josh home was a person MB worked with at one time.

Thank you sister for the response about Michelle Bart. Seems strange though no one is acting as a spokes person. That seems it is usually done.

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« Reply #193 on: September 28, 2009, 06:11:18 PM »

Janet, I couldn't agree more 
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« Reply #194 on: September 28, 2009, 06:11:48 PM »

KaraK wrote:

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1) She very well may have tried to contact me before that. At the time I got her call I'd only shortly before that switched my phone back on because the battery was drained. At the time I actually talked to her I had 1 bar on my phone so it had not been on the charger very long. - And because I'm sure someone will wonder how I remember that it is because we almost immediately went out looking and during the first 30 minutes I had several short calls between me and Melissa just checking in making sure Lindsey hadn't shown up and then I had to drop my phone off at home and charge it because it was already going dead. 


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2) I can not tell you factually why or even if she waited 20 - 25 minutes to call them all I know is at the time she called me she was outside walking towards my house - so I would assume it was because she fully expected to see her walking up the street or she was still calling around to the other numbers on Lindsey's phone. - I've never seen any actual confirmation though that it was actually 10:50 either because in the time it took me to tell my old man what was going on, get my shoes and coat on and Scott to grab his keys and us to get to her house (a 2 minute drive) she was already waiting for the officer to show up. And I imagine it may have actually been slightly earlier then stated because the McCleary officer that Tacoma dispatch (i believe it was TD) called in had just got off duty and was at home and he lives outside of town and he was there at her house right about 11:00 pm.

So which is it?
KaraK and old man rushed right over to Melissa's house OR they arrived at Melissa's after 30 minutes of searching?
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« Reply #195 on: September 28, 2009, 06:11:55 PM »

Tamikosmom I can see what you are saying, I wonder if MB assumed Lindsey would be escorted back to the house by Kayla, her brother, her mother or what have you as what may have been done in the past.
I wish I knew if MB just thought Lindsey was spending the night over there since Josh would have told her the plans changed once he returned home...

Why are these details so hard to find out? Seems like they are basic questions, why is this spokes person not out there clearing this stuff up, after all being a PR spokes person, that would be her job, right? If she is being a spokes person, she sucks at it.

Tracygirl, I don't know that Melissa Bart is the spokesperson.  All I know is she was in town at least once and communicated with MB.
I don't remember reading about a text message or page to MB -- not saying it didn't happen, I just don't recall reading it.  Can you page on a regular phone.  I'm confused. I didn't think MB had a cell phone.  Of course, Lindsey's cell phone was at the house, do you still have her on your plan MM?  I suppose MB would love for that to ring with her sweet child on the other end.

My bad  Sister...   This person TEXTED, not paged MB, according to this poster.
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« Reply #196 on: September 28, 2009, 06:15:11 PM »

MB does have a cell. She too is on my account. LJ's phone is still in the hands of the fbi. I am sure they too would love to have it ring and have it be LJ on the other end!

MB has not hired Michelle Bart. There hasnt even been a conversation of that possibility between the two of them.

JB just walked through my door so I will be back shortly.
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« Reply #197 on: September 28, 2009, 06:16:32 PM »

I found what I was looking for....  regarding the "witness" texting Lindsey's mom.  Am I allowed to bring several posts from another board (WS,  of course) over here???

Klaasend, can I?
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« Reply #198 on: September 28, 2009, 06:19:24 PM »

I found what I was looking for....  regarding the "witness" texting Lindsey's mom.  Am I allowed to bring several posts from another board (WS,  of course) over here???

As long as you provide a link, I'm pretty sure its fine.
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« Reply #199 on: September 28, 2009, 06:21:17 PM »

I keep reading about Michelle bart, who is this person who has such a bad rap on here? Why is she trouble? I don't get it, can you explain?

Just say "Anthony's!" Let me count the ways! 

Sorry, that was a sarcastic answer on my part if you really don't know about Michelle Bart's history with the Anthony's of the Caylee Marie Anthony murder. I have as much distain for her as I do most of the other Anthony lovers. I apologize again. 

Ms. Bart has inserted herself in the Amber Dubois case and has caused a wedge in the family. She is a real piece of work.

But who is she? Is she a PI or something?


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The Caylee Anthony case is a very strange place, peppered with strange people. There are certain names that just keep coming up, and one of those names is Michelle Bart. You may remember her as the spokesman for the Anthony family, finally handing the baton to Mark NeJame/Brad Conway. Of course she also had dealings with the rather dubious foundation Kid Finders set up be entrepreneurs Dennis and Sherri Milstead. Digging even deeper she was also linked to another the even stranger Never Lose Hope Foundation, an organization worthy of an entire book about its founding fathers!

Michelle Bart herself runs another organization, Helping Heroes Productions, which as far as I can tell is a ‘for profit’ aimed at servicing non profit organizations. Based on her relationship with the Anthony family, and these various other entities, it has always been very clear what her views on the case are, and which camp she is supporting.

http://www.bloggernews.net/121550

Michelle Bart “dissects” Caylee Anthony’s autopsy report on her new radio show, Voices for Justice.

Oh my.  Michelle Bart has started a new radio show , “Voices for Justice”.

The Caylee Anthony autopsy report was the focus of the first show on July 15–the anniversary of the last time anyone say her alive.  Michelle had an “expert” forensic’s scientist, (or so she led us to believe), Shelly Shaeffer, to answer questions.

Ms. Bart  teased the audience by saying she herself  had many concerns–some she hadn’t shared with anyone, and insinuated that she was gonna ask  those tough questions. Whatever.

The purpose of the entire interview was, IMO, to put doubt in the listener’s mind….right down to saying that the body couldn’t be identified as Caylee’s–it couldn’t even be identified as a female.  (That nasty little rumor has been skulking around the edges of the internet for a while now.)

Callers were allowed.  Ummmm–she shouldn’t have done that.  Fatal mistake. It went downhill from the first person that phoned in.

Right out of the gate, the first questioner called Shaeffer on her “exact” qualifications.  Turn’s out she is not a doctor– not a medical doctor– not any kind of doctor.  She has a bachelor’s and master’s degree in criminal justice.  IMO, that means she wasn’t qualified to talk about the autopsy report with any real authority.  She of course, did anyway.  Guess they couldn’t find a real forensic scientist willing to have a “conversation” with Michelle Bart and support her spin.

Michelle started that spin by saying  there were inconsistencies in the autopsy report.  She said the toddler’s sex was not definitively determined, yet the coroner stated it was definitely Caylee Anthony.  Her “expert” quickly said that Caylee was identified by DNA, not her skeletal remains.

Another caller asked why the Anthonys weren’t  looking for a killer but were spending all their time  raising money to support their newly acquired expensive habits.  Michelle didn’t answer, saying the show was only about the many MANY questions everyone has about the autopsy report. (I didn’t know there were many questions about that report, did you?)

She went on to say she was dissecting the autopsy report because she really really believed Caylee had been alive.  Really.  She thought there was more evidence that she was alive than dead and was truly devastated to find she was not.  AND, the National Vigil of Hope represents lots of people..blah..blah..blah.

She ended up cutting off one listener who insinuated she (Michelle Bart) was a crook and wanted to know how she could start a business doing what Michelle did cuz’ she could do it just as well. (bye bye caller) The next to last caller said she felt the whole show was to put doubt in the mind of the public.  Yeah, she got cut off, too.

You can listen to the show below.  It’s 45 minutes long.
https://www.blogtalkradio.com/helpingheroes/2009/07/15/Voices-for-Justice-a-look-into-the-Caylee-

http://itsamysterytome.wordpress.com/2009/07/16/michelle-bart-dissects-caylee-anthonys-autopsy-report-on-her-new-radio-show-voices-for-justice/
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