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« Reply #1820 on: October 04, 2009, 10:15:34 AM »

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If DG is no longer a POI, would the seized property be returned?  And if so, how long does that usually take? 

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I don't know because I thought they were still analyzing the property seized? 
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« Reply #1821 on: October 04, 2009, 11:18:59 AM »


After three months ... logic dictates that the no hard evidence would be located.  The foundational reasonings that justified a judge signing off on the search warrant was known very early on in the investigation.  What took so long for LE to act?

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No "Person of Interest" in McCleary Missing Girl Case

After confirming they were looking at one man, Investigators switch gears and say they don't have hard evidence linking him to the case
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October 3, 2009


MCCLEARY - A man whose family owns two homes searched in connection with missing 11-year old Lindsey Baum is no longer a "person of interest," according to the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office. One day after investigators confirmed they were looking at the man, they backed-off that label.

The sheriff's office served search warrants last weekend on the two McCleary, WA homes and yards., and the man's car. Investigators say that evidence is now being analyzed at several crime labs. It could take months to get answers and there's still a chance the evidence could implicate the man whose homes were searched.

According to court documents, the man in question changed his story about where he was working on the night of June 26, when the girl disappeared, and was a suspect in the attempted sexual assault of a child in 2000.

According to Sheriff's department documents, investigators took a number of items from the search of the homes and yards, including used condoms, a disposable camera, black electrical tape, a rifle, and newspaper articles about the girl's disappearance

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-100309-missingmclearygirl,0,7030899.story
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« Reply #1822 on: October 04, 2009, 11:24:19 AM »

The sheriff's office served search warrants last weekend on the two McCleary, WA homes and yards., and the man's car. Investigators say that evidence is now being analyzed at several crime labs. It could take months to get answers and there's still a chance the evidence could implicate the man whose homes were searched.     It could take months to get answers  And it looks like they didn't clear Dale, if they are saying that there is a chance the evidence could implicate him.
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« Reply #1823 on: October 04, 2009, 11:24:54 AM »

Warrants released in Baum case
BY JACOB JONES
The Daily World
Saturday, October 3, 2009 2:17 AM PDT

 newly released search warrant in the case for missing 11-year-old Lindsey Baum outlines suspicious activity and inconsistent statements that led investigators to a home outside McCleary last weekend.

The warrant includes statements from friends and family regarding a man at the residence in connection with strange phone activity, disturbing conversations involving Lindsey, conflicting alibis and a past accusation of sexual assault.

In the court filing, investigators say they believe Lindsey has been kidnapped, and after what they have refered to as a “credible” tip, believed they would find evidence of her kidnapping at the home.

The Grays Harbor Sheriff’s Office has since announced it could not find any evidence of wrongdoing. Some forensic samples taken at the home and a neighboring property on Sept. 25 along Foreman Road still await testing. Results could take months.

Lindsey went missing on June 26 while walking a short distance from her friend’s house in McCleary along a house-lined street at dusk. Despite two confirmed sightings of her within blocks of her house, she never made it home and investigators have not yet been able to explain her disappearance.

The search warrant, released Friday, lists dozens of items investigators were looking for as potential evidence, ranging from clothing matching Lindsey’s to weapons to cars on the property.

Attempts to contact the man and family members Friday via e-mail were not returned.

In news reports after the search warrants were executed, the owner of the property said he’s contacted a lawyer about suing the police and the media, saying they had no right to put the family through the search.
 

 


Much of the warrant lists suspicious reports focusing on a man at the home, who is not being named because he has not been arrested or charged with any crime.

Investigators say he fixated on Lindsey’s disappearance in the days after she went missing and made disturbing comments about believing the girl had been murdered when most authorities still thought her to be lost.

“(The man) told (a friend) he could not believe that a girl had been taken and cut up and dismembered,” the warrant stated. “It should be noted that the media and investigators did not believe that Baum was the victim of a crime until the week following her disappearance.”

A friend also reported the man became “agitated” when investigators questioned him about the case, the warrant stated. He “obsessed” about Lindsey and the possibility she had been kidnapped, the court papers said.

The warrant also lists the man as a suspect in an alleged attempted rape in 2000 when he was a teenager. The man allegedly allowed several children to watch pornography before barricading a 12-year-old girl in a room and trying to rape her. The girl’s friends reported the alleged assault, but the girl declined to make a statement to police at the time.

“She said that she cried and struggled and after about two hours he released her,” the alleged victim recently told investigators when interviewed because of the Baum case.

The warrant states police officers also stopped the man on July 31 when Lindsey’s mother reported his vehicle following her. The man said he thought the mother had been acting suspiciously.

A car similar to the man’s vehicle was reportedly seen shortly before Lindsey’s disappearance near the intersection on Maple Street where she was last spotted, according to the warrant. The man also worked part-time at a business nearby, one that Baum had been in often.

When contacted by investigators, the man reported he had been at a second job in Olympia on the night of the disappearance, according to the warrant. The man’s supervisor at that job told investigators the man was suspended during that time and could not have been working.

When confronted with the inconsistency, the man provided a second alibi that investigators could not verify.

The warrant also outlines suspicious phone activity that stops suddenly at about the time Lindsey disappeared.

“This is contrary to the pattern of cell phone usage shown in (the man’s) cell phone records,” the warrant stated. “He normally has frequent cell phone activity until at least midnight or 1 a.m. each day.”

A person identifying him or herself as a friend of the man’s family in an online forum said the family has always cooperated with investigators and has actively tried to help with the search for Lindsey.

“Someone has found someone to blame,” the poster wrote. “This is ridiculous.”

The poster said the family has been upset by the allegations and has had people trespassing on the property since the searches were launched.

“This is all utter nonsense,” the poster wrote.

Lindsey Baum is 4-foot-9 with brown eyes and brown hair. She was wearing a blue shirt and jeans when she disappeared.

Anyone who might have any information about the whereabouts of Lindsey Baum should call 1-866-915-8299 or via e-mail soadmin@co.grays-harbor.wa.us. Information may also be mailed to PO Box 305 McCleary, 98557.

The ChildSeek Network has also put up a Web site about Baum at: http://www.childseeknetwork.com/kids/Baum.htm.

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« Reply #1824 on: October 04, 2009, 11:26:30 AM »

Does any monkey know...

If DG is no longer a POI, would the seized property be returned?  And if so, how long does that usually take? 

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I don't know because I thought they were still analyzing the property seized? 

That is what the news report stated last night.  Investigators are waiting for results of testing.
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« Reply #1825 on: October 04, 2009, 11:32:00 AM »

From above article that Northern Rose posted.      A car similar to the man’s vehicle was reportedly seen shortly before Lindsey’s disappearance near the intersection on Maple Street where she was last spotted, according to the warrant. The man also worked part-time at a business nearby, one that Baum had been in often.   
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« Reply #1826 on: October 04, 2009, 11:36:58 AM »

Does any monkey know...

If DG is no longer a POI, would the seized property be returned?  And if so, how long does that usually take? 

Thank you!

It would make sense if Dale's POI status has changed at this point in time ... the seized items would be returned.  However ... according to the following article ... it is not going to happen.

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No "Person of Interest" in McCleary Missing Girl Case

After confirming they were looking at one man, Investigators switch gears and say they don't have hard evidence linking him to the case
Web Reporter

October 3, 2009


MCCLEARY - A man whose family owns two homes searched in connection with missing 11-year old Lindsey Baum is no longer a "person of interest," according to the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office. One day after investigators confirmed they were looking at the man, they backed-off that label.

The sheriff's office served search warrants last weekend on the two McCleary, WA homes and yards., and the man's car. Investigators say that evidence is now being analyzed at several crime labs. It could take months to get answers and there's still a chance the evidence could implicate the man whose homes were searched.

According to court documents, the man in question changed his story about where he was working on the night of June 26, when the girl disappeared, and was a suspect in the attempted sexual assault of a child in 2000.

According to Sheriff's department documents, investigators took a number of items from the search of the homes and yards, including used condoms, a disposable camera, black electrical tape, a rifle, and newspaper articles about the girl's disappearance

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-100309-missingmclearygirl,0,7030899.story

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« Reply #1827 on: October 04, 2009, 11:42:40 AM »

y'all realize that this case is making me insane.  if he did have her in his car, she would be in the front seat.  del sols have no back seat an the trunk is the size of a postage stamp. 
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« Reply #1828 on: October 04, 2009, 11:43:05 AM »

From above article that Northern Rose posted.      A car similar to the man’s vehicle was reportedly seen shortly before Lindsey’s disappearance near the intersection on Maple Street where she was last spotted, according to the warrant. The man also worked part-time at a business nearby, one that Baum had been in often.   

I wanted to add, if this was brought up before about a similar vehicle like Dale's car was spotted shortly before Lindsey's disappearance, I missed it with so much to read, but this is huge I think. He has a car that not many people have 
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« Reply #1829 on: October 04, 2009, 11:44:53 AM »

y'all realize that this case is making me insane.  if he did have her in his car, she would be in the front seat.  del sols have no back seat an the trunk is the size of a postage stamp. 
Yes, but he might have said to her if indeed he did this, that he was going to give her a ride home, and maybe, just maybe, said to her before I take you home, would you like to go for a ride?    My imagination is on overtime right now.
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« Reply #1830 on: October 04, 2009, 11:49:08 AM »

i feel ya no rose.  im at the point where im just
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« Reply #1831 on: October 04, 2009, 11:50:53 AM »

i feel ya no rose.  im at the point where im just
And why would Dale feel the urge to follow Melissa Baum? I'm going to walk the dog and try to digest this 
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« Reply #1832 on: October 04, 2009, 12:12:12 PM »


Wyks~Like I stated earlier I mainly only read here because it's too confusing, but maybe you or someone else could help me with a question. Is Kona related to LB, or anyone in this investigation other than her son? Or is she just a local that wants to  find Lindsey. I guess I'm just curious as to why she just started posting last month.......well, curious about many things but this one in particular

IM - From what I understand, Kona came into SM as a local poster, who just wanted to do what the majority of us try to do, help in whatever way we can.  I don't think she's related in anyway to anyone else (except her son), in this investigation.  Seems she got caught up in the weirdness when she and/or her actions were questioned by another local poster over yonder, and then others, and then it snowballed from there.  Evidently in the meanwhile, as bad luck would have it, back in July LE already had their eye on her son and his activities.  Am not certain if she was even aware of that when she began posting online (here and over yonder, dunno where else if any) and volunteering her time etc. 

That's my take on it, anyway, and I could be wrong in some of the particulars.  This has become a huge mess!   

Kona was aware that LE was looking at Dale because LE had called her home at the end of July,wanting to do a phone interview with Dale.Kona said Dale was sleeping then a 30 minutes later Kona called LE back and said Dale woke up,Kona told him LE needed to talk to him,Dale told Mom Kona that he wasn't even working at the BeeHive on June 26th and then left the house.
Kona then told LE all of this and gave them Dale's cell phone number.
So yes,Kona was very aware that LE had their eyes on Dale.....probably from the time Lindsey disappeared.
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« Reply #1833 on: October 04, 2009, 12:17:59 PM »

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« Reply #1834 on: October 04, 2009, 12:23:07 PM »

I am of two minds on this.
I am thinking of two famous cases here in Canada where persons were
"liked" by LE and the evidence was made to fit. All the way to long prison terms for two innocent men. They are both free right now and what came out in the Royal Commissions was startling. Sure, there were reasons that these two individuals were looked at and when they found evidence to exonerate and not take to trial, that was withheld. It went all the way to the Attorney Generals of two different provinces. Huge settlements. In the millions for wrongful prosecution. 
So, it does happen.
DG's family can do nothing at this point except keep quiet and see what returns from the labs. No one was arrested or taken into custody. We can ask questions and have a debate, but I am not ready to send anyone to old sparky. Yet. 
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« Reply #1835 on: October 04, 2009, 12:29:30 PM »

I am of two minds on this.
I am thinking of two famous cases here in Canada where persons were
"liked" by LE and the evidence was made to fit. All the way to long prison terms for two innocent men. They are both free right now and what came out in the Royal Commissions was startling. Sure, there were reasons that these two individuals were looked at and when they found evidence to exonerate and not take to trial, that was withheld. It went all the way to the Attorney Generals of two different provinces. Huge settlements. In the millions for wrongful prosecution. 
So, it does happen.
DG's family can do nothing at this point except keep quiet and see what returns from the labs. No one was arrested or taken into custody. We can ask questions and have a debate, but I am not ready to send anyone to old sparky. Yet. 
an angelic monkey made me want to give you a  ....
this case is a mess and has been from the first day.  at this point in time i think the whole town is in on it.  im really so
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« Reply #1836 on: October 04, 2009, 12:34:03 PM »

Wyks~  a quick note about joining dates at SM...

There is a very long waiting list to join SM.  It's possible Kona could have applied way before September 1st, before getting approved.  Klaas told me not too long ago there were about 700 or so waiting to join.  So I don't know how quick a turn around it would be from requesting membership to approval to posting.  And some are approved and don't post for a while.  Just adding that bit of information, FWIW

That's true, Muffy, thanks for the reminder! 

For whatever reason, I dunno, it seemed to me that she had actually been posting alongside of us for a lot longer than she had.  I was surprised to see that it's only been a month.  Am gonna go look over yonder, LOL.  Maybe that's where I was reading her posts earlier than when she joined here, dunno.  But I don't post over there, so I wouldn't have had the feeling of posting alongside of her.  Hope that makes sense.   

Kona was also posting at InSessions first under her Kona name then after the fallout or whatever with JenniferO,she posted under the sn Adam12.
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« Reply #1837 on: October 04, 2009, 12:37:56 PM »

I am of two minds on this.
I am thinking of two famous cases here in Canada where persons were
"liked" by LE and the evidence was made to fit. All the way to long prison terms for two innocent men. They are both free right now and what came out in the Royal Commissions was startling. Sure, there were reasons that these two individuals were looked at and when they found evidence to exonerate and not take to trial, that was withheld. It went all the way to the Attorney Generals of two different provinces. Huge settlements. In the millions for wrongful prosecution. 
So, it does happen.
DG's family can do nothing at this point except keep quiet and see what returns from the labs. No one was arrested or taken into custody. We can ask questions and have a debate, but I am not ready to send anyone to old sparky. Yet. 
Sure does happen, and I will sit back and wait, in my mind I have suspicion on a couple of people. This all could have been in haste to solve the crime, I don't know, but I'm bothered by Dale's car in the vicinity before Lindsey's disappearance.
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« Reply #1838 on: October 04, 2009, 12:38:40 PM »

Wyks~  a quick note about joining dates at SM...

There is a very long waiting list to join SM.  It's possible Kona could have applied way before September 1st, before getting approved.  Klaas told me not too long ago there were about 700 or so waiting to join.  So I don't know how quick a turn around it would be from requesting membership to approval to posting.  And some are approved and don't post for a while.  Just adding that bit of information, FWIW

That's true, Muffy, thanks for the reminder! 

For whatever reason, I dunno, it seemed to me that she had actually been posting alongside of us for a lot longer than she had.  I was surprised to see that it's only been a month.  Am gonna go look over yonder, LOL.  Maybe that's where I was reading her posts earlier than when she joined here, dunno.  But I don't post over there, so I wouldn't have had the feeling of posting alongside of her.  Hope that makes sense.   

Kona was also posting at InSessions first under her Kona name then after the fallout or whatever with JenniferO,she posted under the sn Adam12.
Oh  that was her also.
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« Reply #1839 on: October 04, 2009, 12:39:20 PM »

Good morning friends -

Wow. The list of things to be suspicious about regarding this DG character, the focus of the recent LE search, is huge. Waaaay too many hinkey activities / circumstances to ignore . . . the dedicated and caring monkeys here would NEVER just simply bypass such incriminating information in our search for a missing child on any other case - ever. And goodness knows LE/FBI knows even more than we do.

To stop any discussion or research on this person simply because someone said they felt it was 'ridiculous' would be exactly that . . . ridiculous. From what I have gleaned in my time here at SM, it is expected that all monkeys are very diligent in providing backup & links to verify their statements or accusations. All else is considered opinion - which certainly seems welcome here as well (and so often leads to fantastic collaborative sleuthing / brainstorming). That's how all of our big collective concerned monkey brains work together to hash all of this out, find a missing child, & hopefully bring a perp to justice. Eyes wide open & no stone unturned - - - all while holding hope in our hearts. N'est ce pas?

Ergo: one opinion that this search is 'ridiculous' is simply that - another opinion. Fair enough. We should weigh it in along with all other opinions, as we always do. Part of the whole process as we dig, discuss, and deliberate some more.

IMHO, there could likely be a strategy involved in LE backing off of DG a bit now; as speculated by others, it could involve stirring the pot & standing back to observe, hoping it will illicit further activity or statements - or simply waiting for forensic test results. Or parsing public statements carefully due to threats of impropriety and lawsuits.

Been bothering me, & just wanted to weigh in - for what it's worth. 

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