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« Reply #1860 on: October 04, 2009, 02:15:24 PM »

forgive me but i have questions...
1  who has a 14 yearold boy babysit a 12 year old girl?
2 who's house was he at?  his own?  theirs?
3 did the porn get brought over?  was it there all ready?

the only reason i have an issue with this is 'cause babycrazy is 5 but in years if i ever find her barricaded in her room and crying with an older boy (2 years = older) after i made him walk funny for the rest of his days i would be on the horn with the po po. 

not this non-reporting of stuff.
Hi MamaC
1)Dale Golder was a 14 year old babysitter.He was babysitting the 12 year old girl and his younger brother AG and a couple of other kids.
2)I don't know who's house he was babysitting at.
3)I don't know if the porn was already in the home or he brought it with him.
I am hoping that was the end of his babysitting career but you never know,he was/is working at a youth camp.   
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« Reply #1861 on: October 04, 2009, 02:16:35 PM »

Karma, I'm not DD, but I know one thing, I'm very upset by that behavior and that is putting it mildly. I believe it happened, and I believe the girls mother made a big mistake by not doing something about it. I read and I guess to some degree understand why she didn't do more. But anyone who shows porn to children while babysitting is bad enough, but then what else he did to the 12 year old    I will say it again, I have a bad feeling, something else was done to a girl, I have no proof of anything, just my feelings. 
I am right with you in your thinking NoRose.Yes,we may be overly paranoid but to me Dale's teen behavior sounds like a predator in the making.
Also,I will never understand a Mom who would cover up this type of behavior....either the girls Mom or Dale's Mom.
Who exactly is protecting our children?   
I just have way to many questions about all this, and if someone in town is trying to pin this on Dale, why? What has he or his family done to other people in town that they would go after him? There has to be a reason, and the issues between the family and the judge is not enough for me.
maybe 'cause they're snooping around?  im not ruleing him out but im not gonna say it was him.   until i see an adult arrest record i can't judge what happened when he was 14.  i remember being 14  and i remember being 12
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« Reply #1862 on: October 04, 2009, 02:17:58 PM »

forgive me but i have questions...
1  who has a 14 yearold boy babysit a 12 year old girl?
2 who's house was he at?  his own?  theirs?
3 did the porn get brought over?  was it there all ready?

the only reason i have an issue with this is 'cause babycrazy is 5 but in years if i ever find her barricaded in her room and crying with an older boy (2 years = older) after i made him walk funny for the rest of his days i would be on the horn with the po po. 

not this non-reporting of stuff.

I agree here too.  Who would leave a hormone raging boy with a 12 year old.  My son is brought up manners and morals intact and I would even question a woman asking to leave my son with her daughter.  That picture just isn't right.  Don't jump on me, don't throw nanners but could the girl have made it up or been caught doing something and turned on the boy.  I just don't see a Mom with proof not going forward pressing charges.  Okay guys give it to me. lol  I mean no harm, not dumping on the poor little girl but just giving this guy some doubt in this instance only.
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« Reply #1863 on: October 04, 2009, 02:18:15 PM »

No "Person of Interest" in McCleary Case

After confirming they were looking at him, Police change their tune and say they don't have hard evidence linking him to the case

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October 3, 2009

 
MCCLEARY - A man whose family owns two homes searched in connection with missing 11-year old Lindsey Baum is no longer a "person of interest," according to the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office. One day after investigators confirmed they were looking at the man, they backed-off that label.

The sheriff's office served search warrants last weekend on the two McCleary, WA homes and yards., and the man's car. Investigators say that evidence is now being analyzed at several crime labs. It could take months to get answers and there's still a chance the evidence could implicate the man whose homes were searched.

According to court documents, the man in question changed his story about where he was working on the night of June 26, when the girl disappeared, and was a suspect in the attempted sexual assault of a child in 2000.

According to Sheriff's department documents, investigators took a number of items from the search of the homes and yards, including used condoms, a disposable camera, black electrical tape, a rifle, and newspaper articles about the girl's disappearance.

Saturday dozens headed for McCleary to continue the search for Lindsey. Volunteers said they'd like to see the family get some answers. "I just want there to be a peace so this family can find out where she's at" said Megan Griensewic.

The girl's mother, Melssa Baum, admits the last few months have been a nightmare "it's tough but we have to keep going, I'm not going to stop looking for her." Baum says Saturday's search was the largest turnout of volunteers they've had since the girl went missing. About 80 people showed up, some came from as far away as Renton. "It feels wonderful I'm immensely grateful to everybody" Baum said.


http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-100309-missingmclearygirl,0,7030899.story

I hate to even ask this question because I know you have researched this case to the nth degree, but is it possible they are stating that since they are facing a lawsuit from the family at this point.
I'm wondering why only the words"person of interest"is in quote marks and not the whole sentence"A man whose family owns two homes searched in connection with missing 11-year old Lindsey Baum is no longer a "person of interest" and there is no named LE stating this,just a general GHCSO?

OK Karma.  I give up.  What is "a general GHCSO".

 

I just got in from a 9:00 AM Autumn kick-off service.  It was held outside.  Granted is was a beautiful sunny morning but ... I was soooo cold.  The young man in front of us gave his wife his jacket and put his arm around her shoulder.  My hubby did neither.  I guess things change after 43 years.

 

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LOL....good morning/afternoonie Janet

GHCSO=Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office   
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« Reply #1864 on: October 04, 2009, 02:19:20 PM »

forgive me but i have questions...
1  who has a 14 yearold boy babysit a 12 year old girl?
2 who's house was he at?  his own?  theirs?
3 did the porn get brought over?  was it there all ready?

the only reason i have an issue with this is 'cause babycrazy is 5 but in years if i ever find her barricaded in her room and crying with an older boy (2 years = older) after i made him walk funny for the rest of his days i would be on the horn with the po po. 

not this non-reporting of stuff.
Hi MamaC
1)Dale Golder was a 14 year old babysitter.He was babysitting the 12 year old girl and his younger brother AG and a couple of other kids.
2)I don't know who's house he was babysitting at.
3)I don't know if the porn was already in the home or he brought it with him.
I am hoping that was the end of his babysitting career but you never know,he was/is working at a youth camp.   
    OMG, I can't let my mind wonder to that youth camp 
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« Reply #1865 on: October 04, 2009, 02:22:01 PM »

forgive me but i have questions...
1  who has a 14 yearold boy babysit a 12 year old girl?
2 who's house was he at?  his own?  theirs?
3 did the porn get brought over?  was it there all ready?

the only reason i have an issue with this is 'cause babycrazy is 5 but in years if i ever find her barricaded in her room and crying with an older boy (2 years = older) after i made him walk funny for the rest of his days i would be on the horn with the po po. 

not this non-reporting of stuff.

I agree here too.  Who would leave a hormone raging boy with a 12 year old.  My son is brought up manners and morals intact and I would even question a woman asking to leave my son with her daughter.  That picture just isn't right.  Don't jump on me, don't throw nanners but could the girl have made it up or been caught doing something and turned on the boy.  I just don't see a Mom with proof not going forward pressing charges.  Okay guys give it to me. lol  I mean no harm, not dumping on the poor little girl but just giving this guy some doubt in this instance only.
Hey, that could have happened, but I believe the now 21 year old girl was spoken to and she said it happened  Have to wonder what the other kids that Dale was sitting for has said about it. I mean if this happened and Dale and the girl were in a room for two hours, what were the other kids doing, sitting there watching the porn?
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« Reply #1866 on: October 04, 2009, 02:23:10 PM »

I still cannot get past the fact that if DG took Lindsey and she is no longer with us (which I pray is not the case), why in the world would he start following Mom Baum around. It was a huge risk at best and am I missing something? I know perps like to insert themselves into cases but this goes above and beyond that. Was he trying to intimidate her and if so, why? It is driving me bonkers!
I'm not confused about that,I just look at all of his behavior as a whole.
The being obsessed with Lindsey's disappearance
The lying alibis
The weird and totally unusual phone usage on the night Lindsey disappeared
The being 23 years old and still getting disciplinary actions taken against you on your job
The past teen behaviors
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« Reply #1867 on: October 04, 2009, 02:25:03 PM »

Karma, I'm not DD, but I know one thing, I'm very upset by that behavior and that is putting it mildly. I believe it happened, and I believe the girls mother made a big mistake by not doing something about it. I read and I guess to some degree understand why she didn't do more. But anyone who shows porn to children while babysitting is bad enough, but then what else he did to the 12 year old    I will say it again, I have a bad feeling, something else was done to a girl, I have no proof of anything, just my feelings. 
I am right with you in your thinking NoRose.Yes,we may be overly paranoid but to me Dale's teen behavior sounds like a predator in the making.
Also,I will never understand a Mom who would cover up this type of behavior....either the girls Mom or Dale's Mom.
Who exactly is protecting our children?   
I just have way to many questions about all this, and if someone in town is trying to pin this on Dale, why? What has he or his family done to other people in town that they would go after him? There has to be a reason, and the issues between the family and the judge is not enough for me.
maybe 'cause they're snooping around?  im not ruleing him out but im not gonna say it was him.   until i see an adult arrest record i can't judge what happened when he was 14.  i remember being 14  and i remember being 12
I remember that age also, but I was so naive, that if anything like that happened I would be scared for life. I had a very sheltered life until I left home at 18, and I had a very rude awakening  I have no idea what Dale has done after this incident, and I have no idea who is responsible for Lindsey's disappearance. But I'm looking at him and a couple others, and hopefully there will be a resolution soon. There will be another search today, so maybe something today.
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« Reply #1868 on: October 04, 2009, 02:25:13 PM »

forgive me but i have questions...
1  who has a 14 yearold boy babysit a 12 year old girl?
2 who's house was he at?  his own?  theirs?
3 did the porn get brought over?  was it there all ready?

the only reason i have an issue with this is 'cause babycrazy is 5 but in years if i ever find her barricaded in her room and crying with an older boy (2 years = older) after i made him walk funny for the rest of his days i would be on the horn with the po po. 

not this non-reporting of stuff.

I agree here too.  Who would leave a hormone raging boy with a 12 year old.  My son is brought up manners and morals intact and I would even question a woman asking to leave my son with her daughter.  That picture just isn't right.  Don't jump on me, don't throw nanners but could the girl have made it up or been caught doing something and turned on the boy.  I just don't see a Mom with proof not going forward pressing charges.  Okay guys give it to me. lol  I mean no harm, not dumping on the poor little girl but just giving this guy some doubt in this instance only.

I think this is very possible.  The only logical explanation for the mother not doing any about it is that the girl wasn't so innocent in the situation.  IMO

I still would like to know if DG has been asked or has volunteered a polygraph.
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« Reply #1869 on: October 04, 2009, 02:25:46 PM »

Maybe DG was babysitting at the girls house. Maybe the porn was already there and available. Perhaps that is why the mother never reported it. I wonder if DG ever got any professional help after that situation, or was it just hushed up and brushed under the rug?
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« Reply #1870 on: October 04, 2009, 02:26:02 PM »

Just to add to the questions.  Wonder who Dale was babysitting that eventful day he tried to have sex with the 12 year old?.  Maybe a relative?  Some one in the neghborhood?  Could explain why the mother did not press charges against him.  Just wondering.  A bigger question is "Anyone here feel like we may be being played like a fiddle"?  Something is not right.  Reading past posts and putting 2 and 2 together,  I find some interesting post timelines.  Makes me feel like some posters may even be in the same cube?   
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« Reply #1871 on: October 04, 2009, 02:26:03 PM »

I still cannot get past the fact that if DG took Lindsey and she is no longer with us (which I pray is not the case), why in the world would he start following Mom Baum around. It was a huge risk at best and am I missing something? I know perps like to insert themselves into cases but this goes above and beyond that. Was he trying to intimidate her and if so, why? It is driving me bonkers!
I'm not confused about that,I just look at all of his behavior as a whole.
The being obsessed with Lindsey's disappearance
The lying alibis
The weird and totally unusual phone usage on the night Lindsey disappeared
The being 23 years old and still getting disciplinary actions taken against you on your job
The past teen behaviors

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« Reply #1872 on: October 04, 2009, 02:27:09 PM »

Karma, I'm not DD, but I know one thing, I'm very upset by that behavior and that is putting it mildly. I believe it happened, and I believe the girls mother made a big mistake by not doing something about it. I read and I guess to some degree understand why she didn't do more. But anyone who shows porn to children while babysitting is bad enough, but then what else he did to the 12 year old    I will say it again, I have a bad feeling, something else was done to a girl, I have no proof of anything, just my feelings. 
I am right with you in your thinking NoRose.Yes,we may be overly paranoid but to me Dale's teen behavior sounds like a predator in the making.
Also,I will never understand a Mom who would cover up this type of behavior....either the girls Mom or Dale's Mom.
Who exactly is protecting our children?   
I just have way to many questions about all this, and if someone in town is trying to pin this on Dale, why? What has he or his family done to other people in town that they would go after him? There has to be a reason, and the issues between the family and the judge is not enough for me.

The allegations in the SW are from numerous people.  Can they all be connected in some way which has us at a point to a railroad of one individual? Possible but not probable.  You have:

His boss from the camp at Elma that gave him some "think time"
Coworker at the BeeHive
LE
Judge
12 year who is now an adult that was babysat
The tomatoe plant neighbour
Witness that saw his car on maple
Cell pings and activity

So do all these people have a connection not only to each other but also each has a grudge big enough to get together to conspire against one person and point fingers?  Even if you take all the people out of it, the cell phone activity would not conspire.

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« Reply #1873 on: October 04, 2009, 02:27:29 PM »

hi karma  i liked the purple...but i understand.
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« Reply #1874 on: October 04, 2009, 02:28:04 PM »

forgive me but i have questions...
1  who has a 14 yearold boy babysit a 12 year old girl?
2 who's house was he at?  his own?  theirs?
3 did the porn get brought over?  was it there all ready?

the only reason i have an issue with this is 'cause babycrazy is 5 but in years if i ever find her barricaded in her room and crying with an older boy (2 years = older) after i made him walk funny for the rest of his days i would be on the horn with the po po. 

not this non-reporting of stuff.

I agree here too.  Who would leave a hormone raging boy with a 12 year old.  My son is brought up manners and morals intact and I would even question a woman asking to leave my son with her daughter.  That picture just isn't right.  Don't jump on me, don't throw nanners but could the girl have made it up or been caught doing something and turned on the boy.  I just don't see a Mom with proof not going forward pressing charges.  Okay guys give it to me. lol  I mean no harm, not dumping on the poor little girl but just giving this guy some doubt in this instance only.
Hey, that could have happened, but I believe the now 21 year old girl was spoken to and she said it happened  Have to wonder what the other kids that Dale was sitting for has said about it. I mean if this happened and Dale and the girl were in a room for two hours, what were the other kids doing, sitting there watching the porn?
Yes,that's what it says in the search warrants.
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« Reply #1875 on: October 04, 2009, 02:29:04 PM »

Just to add to the questions.  Wonder who Dale was babysitting that eventful day he tried to have sex with the 12 year old?.  Maybe a relative?  Some one in the neghborhood?  Could explain why the mother did not press charges against him.  Just wondering.  A bigger question is "Anyone here feel like we may be being played like a fiddle"?  Something is not right.  Reading past posts and putting 2 and 2 together,  I find some interesting post timelines.  Makes me feel like some posters may even be in the same cube?   
It was family friends. Dale was babysitting a 12 year old girl, her two brothers, and his younger brother.  Leroy, I sure wish someone would know about if Dale took a lie detector test, it is hard for me to imagine that at least he wasn't asked to take one, maybe he was and wouldn't. Or maybe never asked, whick would make zero sense.
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« Reply #1876 on: October 04, 2009, 02:30:21 PM »

Maybe DG was babysitting at the girls house. Maybe the porn was already there and available. Perhaps that is why the mother never reported it. I wonder if DG ever got any professional help after that situation, or was it just hushed up and brushed under the rug?
Sounds like (if this is all true)IMO there was/is a lot of denial going on.
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« Reply #1877 on: October 04, 2009, 02:31:01 PM »

forgive me but i have questions...
1  who has a 14 yearold boy babysit a 12 year old girl?
2 who's house was he at?  his own?  theirs?
3 did the porn get brought over?  was it there all ready?

the only reason i have an issue with this is 'cause babycrazy is 5 but in years if i ever find her barricaded in her room and crying with an older boy (2 years = older) after i made him walk funny for the rest of his days i would be on the horn with the po po. 

not this non-reporting of stuff.

I agree here too.  Who would leave a hormone raging boy with a 12 year old.  My son is brought up manners and morals intact and I would even question a woman asking to leave my son with her daughter.  That picture just isn't right.  Don't jump on me, don't throw nanners but could the girl have made it up or been caught doing something and turned on the boy.  I just don't see a Mom with proof not going forward pressing charges.  Okay guys give it to me. lol  I mean no harm, not dumping on the poor little girl but just giving this guy some doubt in this instance only.
Hey, that could have happened, but I believe the now 21 year old girl was spoken to and she said it happened  Have to wonder what the other kids that Dale was sitting for has said about it. I mean if this happened and Dale and the girl were in a room for two hours, what were the other kids doing, sitting there watching the porn?
Yes,that's what it says in the search warrants.
Thanks, I need to go back and read that all again, which makes me wonder if the girl was struggling and perhaps screaming why the boys just sat there, but maybe they were too young to realize?
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« Reply #1878 on: October 04, 2009, 02:31:36 PM »

Just to add to the questions.  Wonder who Dale was babysitting that eventful day he tried to have sex with the 12 year old?.  Maybe a relative?  Some one in the neghborhood?  Could explain why the mother did not press charges against him.  Just wondering.  A bigger question is "Anyone here feel like we may be being played like a fiddle"?  Something is not right.  Reading past posts and putting 2 and 2 together,  I find some interesting post timelines.  Makes me feel like some posters may even be in the same cube?   
Hmmmmm.....I do feel like I'm in a rubeks cube sometimes 
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« Reply #1879 on: October 04, 2009, 02:31:59 PM »

Here is the part of the SW regarding the 12 year old girl/babysitting situation:

Investigators then contacted_______________. She stated that in 2000 she and her two brothers were being babysat by Golder. She said her mother was good friends with Tena Golder. She said that while Golder watched pornographic videos and had her, her brothers and Dales younger brother watch the videos. He asked her to have sex with him and she refused. One day he took her to his room and barricaded the door with a large dresser. He removed her pants and the removed his pants and tried to have sexual intercourse with her. She said that she cried and struggled and after two hours he released her. She said she told friends about what happened whom she believed told school officials at Elma school district. It was reported to the police. Her mother found out about the incident. _______said her mother told her it would be her word against his and discouraged her from telling the police the truth. When the police officer spoke to her she said she told him nothing happened.
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