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« Reply #1880 on: October 04, 2009, 02:32:46 PM »

Karma, I'm not DD, but I know one thing, I'm very upset by that behavior and that is putting it mildly. I believe it happened, and I believe the girls mother made a big mistake by not doing something about it. I read and I guess to some degree understand why she didn't do more. But anyone who shows porn to children while babysitting is bad enough, but then what else he did to the 12 year old    I will say it again, I have a bad feeling, something else was done to a girl, I have no proof of anything, just my feelings. 
I am right with you in your thinking NoRose.Yes,we may be overly paranoid but to me Dale's teen behavior sounds like a predator in the making.
Also,I will never understand a Mom who would cover up this type of behavior....either the girls Mom or Dale's Mom.
Who exactly is protecting our children?   
I just have way to many questions about all this, and if someone in town is trying to pin this on Dale, why? What has he or his family done to other people in town that they would go after him? There has to be a reason, and the issues between the family and the judge is not enough for me.

The allegations in the SW are from numerous people.  Can they all be connected in some way which has us at a point to a railroad of one individual? Possible but not probable.  You have:

His boss from the camp at Elma that gave him some "think time"
Coworker at the BeeHive
LE
Judge
12 year who is now an adult that was babysat
The tomatoe plant neighbour
Witness that saw his car on maple
Cell pings and activity

So do all these people have a connection not only to each other but also each has a grudge big enough to get together to conspire against one person and point fingers?  Even if you take all the people out of it, the cell phone activity would not conspire.

JMO

No way would all these people be railroading Dale, and your right cell phone activity would not conspire. And the cell phone activity was interesting.
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« Reply #1881 on: October 04, 2009, 02:33:48 PM »

forgive me but i have questions...
1  who has a 14 yearold boy babysit a 12 year old girl?
2 who's house was he at?  his own?  theirs?
3 did the porn get brought over?  was it there all ready?

the only reason i have an issue with this is 'cause babycrazy is 5 but in years if i ever find her barricaded in her room and crying with an older boy (2 years = older) after i made him walk funny for the rest of his days i would be on the horn with the po po. 

not this non-reporting of stuff.

I agree here too.  Who would leave a hormone raging boy with a 12 year old.  My son is brought up manners and morals intact and I would even question a woman asking to leave my son with her daughter.  That picture just isn't right.  Don't jump on me, don't throw nanners but could the girl have made it up or been caught doing something and turned on the boy.  I just don't see a Mom with proof not going forward pressing charges.  Okay guys give it to me. lol  I mean no harm, not dumping on the poor little girl but just giving this guy some doubt in this instance only.

I think this is very possible.  The only logical explanation for the mother not doing any about it is that the girl wasn't so innocent in the situation.  IMO

I still would like to know if DG has been asked or has volunteered a polygraph.

Now that is a very good question!!  Anyone read anything about this? 
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« Reply #1882 on: October 04, 2009, 02:33:50 PM »


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Thanks Grandma Karma

I guess you might say I am "initial challenged".

 

When I consider Dale's changing stories to authorities regarding the evening/time that Lindsey went missing and the stalking incident involving Melissa Baum and ... then consider the sexual assult incident when he was 14 years old ... LE would have been negligent in not obtaining a search warrant.

This detective wannabe contends the changing stories and the stalking incident involving Melissa Basum which took place at the end of July should have motivated LE to do a criminal/computer search on this young man ... a criminal/computer search which would have revealed the sexual allegations.

WHAT TOOK LE SOOO LONG TO SEARCH THE HOMES AND PROPERTY WHERE DALE WAS RESIDING?

Something is not right.

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« Reply #1883 on: October 04, 2009, 02:35:12 PM »

Just to add to the questions.  Wonder who Dale was babysitting that eventful day he tried to have sex with the 12 year old?.  Maybe a relative?  Some one in the neghborhood?  Could explain why the mother did not press charges against him.  Just wondering.  A bigger question is "Anyone here feel like we may be being played like a fiddle"?  Something is not right.  Reading past posts and putting 2 and 2 together,  I find some interesting post timelines.  Makes me feel like some posters may even be in the same cube?   
whats up>?  im confused.
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« Reply #1884 on: October 04, 2009, 02:35:36 PM »

Karma, I'm not DD, but I know one thing, I'm very upset by that behavior and that is putting it mildly. I believe it happened, and I believe the girls mother made a big mistake by not doing something about it. I read and I guess to some degree understand why she didn't do more. But anyone who shows porn to children while babysitting is bad enough, but then what else he did to the 12 year old    I will say it again, I have a bad feeling, something else was done to a girl, I have no proof of anything, just my feelings. 
I am right with you in your thinking NoRose.Yes,we may be overly paranoid but to me Dale's teen behavior sounds like a predator in the making.
Also,I will never understand a Mom who would cover up this type of behavior....either the girls Mom or Dale's Mom.
Who exactly is protecting our children?   
I just have way to many questions about all this, and if someone in town is trying to pin this on Dale, why? What has he or his family done to other people in town that they would go after him? There has to be a reason, and the issues between the family and the judge is not enough for me.

The allegations in the SW are from numerous people.  Can they all be connected in some way which has us at a point to a railroad of one individual? Possible but not probable.  You have:

His boss from the camp at Elma that gave him some "think time"
Coworker at the BeeHive
LE
Judge
12 year who is now an adult that was babysat
The tomatoe plant neighbour
Witness that saw his car on maple
Cell pings and activity

So do all these people have a connection not only to each other but also each has a grudge big enough to get together to conspire against one person and point fingers?  Even if you take all the people out of it, the cell phone activity would not conspire.

JMO

I just cannot believe that all of these people are lying.I guess I could believe that the lies are just from a couple in LE and the Judge but we only know what is put out there by LE......and DD is not at liberty to tell us what the truth is so we are stuck just believing what is put out there by LE.
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« Reply #1885 on: October 04, 2009, 02:35:47 PM »

Here is the part of the SW regarding the 12 year old girl/babysitting situation:

Investigators then contacted_______________. She stated that in 2000 she and her two brothers were being babysat by Golder. She said her mother was good friends with Tena Golder. She said that while Golder watched pornographic videos and had her, her brothers and Dales younger brother watch the videos. He asked her to have sex with him and she refused. One day he took her to his room and barricaded the door with a large dresser. He removed her pants and the removed his pants and tried to have sexual intercourse with her. She said that she cried and struggled and after two hours he released her. She said she told friends about what happened whom she believed told school officials at Elma school district. It was reported to the police. Her mother found out about the incident. _______said her mother told her it would be her word against his and discouraged her from telling the police the truth. When the police officer spoke to her she said she told him nothing happened.

One day he took her to his room and barricaded the door with a large dresser.    I'm either losing it, or does that sound like the incident being barricaded in his room happened on another day?
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« Reply #1886 on: October 04, 2009, 02:36:02 PM »

Just to add to the questions.  Wonder who Dale was babysitting that eventful day he tried to have sex with the 12 year old?.  Maybe a relative?  Some one in the neghborhood?  Could explain why the mother did not press charges against him.  Just wondering.  A bigger question is "Anyone here feel like we may be being played like a fiddle"?  Something is not right.  Reading past posts and putting 2 and 2 together,  I find some interesting post timelines.  Makes me feel like some posters may even be in the same cube?   

Not sure what you mean here.  Do you mean several new posters joining at the  same time with the same agenda??
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« Reply #1887 on: October 04, 2009, 02:36:12 PM »

Here is the part of the SW regarding the 12 year old girl/babysitting situation:

Investigators then contacted_______________. She stated that in 2000 she and her two brothers were being babysat by Golder. She said her mother was good friends with Tena Golder. She said that while Golder watched pornographic videos and had her, her brothers and Dales younger brother watch the videos. He asked her to have sex with him and she refused. One day he took her to his room and barricaded the door with a large dresser. He removed her pants and the removed his pants and tried to have sexual intercourse with her. She said that she cried and struggled and after two hours he released her. She said she told friends about what happened whom she believed told school officials at Elma school district. It was reported to the police. Her mother found out about the incident. _______said her mother told her it would be her word against his and discouraged her from telling the police the truth. When the police officer spoke to her she said she told him nothing happened.


Okay i can see this happening...alot of rape victims believe this as well, so they dont report it.

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« Reply #1888 on: October 04, 2009, 02:36:37 PM »

hi karma  i liked the purple...but i understand.
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« Reply #1889 on: October 04, 2009, 02:38:51 PM »

Here is the part of the SW regarding the 12 year old girl/babysitting situation:

Investigators then contacted_______________. She stated that in 2000 she and her two brothers were being babysat by Golder. She said her mother was good friends with Tena Golder. She said that while Golder watched pornographic videos and had her, her brothers and Dales younger brother watch the videos. He asked her to have sex with him and she refused. One day he took her to his room and barricaded the door with a large dresser. He removed her pants and the removed his pants and tried to have sexual intercourse with her. She said that she cried and struggled and after two hours he released her. She said she told friends about what happened whom she believed told school officials at Elma school district. It was reported to the police. Her mother found out about the incident. _______said her mother told her it would be her word against his and discouraged her from telling the police the truth. When the police officer spoke to her she said she told him nothing happened.

One day he took her to his room and barricaded the door with a large dresser.    I'm either losing it, or does that sound like the incident being barricaded in his room happened on another day?

It does sound like two different incidences. 

By the way,  What/who/where is InSessions?  I have never heard of them.
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« Reply #1890 on: October 04, 2009, 02:38:55 PM »

Here is the part of the SW regarding the 12 year old girl/babysitting situation:

Investigators then contacted_______________. She stated that in 2000 she and her two brothers were being babysat by Golder. She said her mother was good friends with Tena Golder. She said that while Golder watched pornographic videos and had her, her brothers and Dales younger brother watch the videos. He asked her to have sex with him and she refused. One day he took her to his room and barricaded the door with a large dresser. He removed her pants and the removed his pants and tried to have sexual intercourse with her. She said that she cried and struggled and after two hours he released her. She said she told friends about what happened whom she believed told school officials at Elma school district. It was reported to the police. Her mother found out about the incident. _______said her mother told her it would be her word against his and discouraged her from telling the police the truth. When the police officer spoke to her she said she told him nothing happened.

One day he took her to his room and barricaded the door with a large dresser.    I'm either losing it, or does that sound like the incident being barricaded in his room happened on another day?

That's how I read it too.  so when did the parents find out about him making these kids watch porn? 
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« Reply #1891 on: October 04, 2009, 02:39:31 PM »

forgive me but i have questions...
1  who has a 14 yearold boy babysit a 12 year old girl?
2 who's house was he at?  his own?  theirs?
3 did the porn get brought over?  was it there all ready?

the only reason i have an issue with this is 'cause babycrazy is 5 but in years if i ever find her barricaded in her room and crying with an older boy (2 years = older) after i made him walk funny for the rest of his days i would be on the horn with the po po. 

not this non-reporting of stuff.

I agree here too.  Who would leave a hormone raging boy with a 12 year old.  My son is brought up manners and morals intact and I would even question a woman asking to leave my son with her daughter.  That picture just isn't right.  Don't jump on me, don't throw nanners but could the girl have made it up or been caught doing something and turned on the boy.  I just don't see a Mom with proof not going forward pressing charges.  Okay guys give it to me. lol  I mean no harm, not dumping on the poor little girl but just giving this guy some doubt in this instance only.
Hey, that could have happened, but I believe the now 21 year old girl was spoken to and she said it happened  Have to wonder what the other kids that Dale was sitting for has said about it. I mean if this happened and Dale and the girl were in a room for two hours, what were the other kids doing, sitting there watching the porn?
Yes,that's what it says in the search warrants.
Thanks, I need to go back and read that all again, which makes me wonder if the girl was struggling and perhaps screaming why the boys just sat there, but maybe they were too young to realize?
Yes,I'll have to re read that part again because some parts of the warrants are confusing.
Dale's brother is 19 yo now so he would have been about 9-10 yo at the time.Dale is 23 yo.
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« Reply #1892 on: October 04, 2009, 02:40:03 PM »

Just to add to the questions.  Wonder who Dale was babysitting that eventful day he tried to have sex with the 12 year old?.  Maybe a relative?  Some one in the neghborhood?  Could explain why the mother did not press charges against him.  Just wondering.  A bigger question is "Anyone here feel like we may be being played like a fiddle"?  Something is not right.  Reading past posts and putting 2 and 2 together,  I find some interesting post timelines.  Makes me feel like some posters may even be in the same cube?   
Hmmmmm.....I do feel like I'm in a rubeks cube sometimes 
Hi Karma.  I mean same cubical as in LE cubical???  Only way to explain some of the posts and things that happen here.  IMO
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« Reply #1893 on: October 04, 2009, 02:41:30 PM »

Here is the part of the SW regarding the 12 year old girl/babysitting situation:

Investigators then contacted_______________. She stated that in 2000 she and her two brothers were being babysat by Golder. She said her mother was good friends with Tena Golder. She said that while Golder watched pornographic videos and had her, her brothers and Dales younger brother watch the videos. He asked her to have sex with him and she refused. One day he took her to his room and barricaded the door with a large dresser. He removed her pants and the removed his pants and tried to have sexual intercourse with her. She said that she cried and struggled and after two hours he released her. She said she told friends about what happened whom she believed told school officials at Elma school district. It was reported to the police. Her mother found out about the incident. _______said her mother told her it would be her word against his and discouraged her from telling the police the truth. When the police officer spoke to her she said she told him nothing happened.

One day he took her to his room and barricaded the door with a large dresser.    I'm either losing it, or does that sound like the incident being barricaded in his room happened on another day?

It does sound like two different incidences. 

By the way,  What/who/where is InSessions?  I have never heard of them.
  http://boards.insessiontrials.com/  Lindsey is being discussed on a thread under missing and amber alerts.
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« Reply #1894 on: October 04, 2009, 02:42:08 PM »

Here is the part of the SW regarding the 12 year old girl/babysitting situation:

Investigators then contacted_______________. She stated that in 2000 she and her two brothers were being babysat by Golder. She said her mother was good friends with Tena Golder. She said that while Golder watched pornographic videos and had her, her brothers and Dales younger brother watch the videos. He asked her to have sex with him and she refused. One day he took her to his room and barricaded the door with a large dresser. He removed her pants and the removed his pants and tried to have sexual intercourse with her. She said that she cried and struggled and after two hours he released her. She said she told friends about what happened whom she believed told school officials at Elma school district. It was reported to the police. Her mother found out about the incident. _______said her mother told her it would be her word against his and discouraged her from telling the police the truth. When the police officer spoke to her she said she told him nothing happened.

One day he took her to his room and barricaded the door with a large dresser.    I'm either losing it, or does that sound like the incident being barricaded in his room happened on another day?

That's how I read it too.  so when did the parents find out about him making these kids watch porn? 

Geez, more than one incident? What the heck is the matter with these parents? Unless, none of the kids spoke up until AFTER the attempted rape incident. Which would make me ask, "why didn't they speak up"? Were they INTIMIDATED?
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« Reply #1895 on: October 04, 2009, 02:44:47 PM »

forgive me but i have questions...
1  who has a 14 yearold boy babysit a 12 year old girl?
2 who's house was he at?  his own?  theirs?
3 did the porn get brought over?  was it there all ready?

the only reason i have an issue with this is 'cause babycrazy is 5 but in years if i ever find her barricaded in her room and crying with an older boy (2 years = older) after i made him walk funny for the rest of his days i would be on the horn with the po po. 

not this non-reporting of stuff.

I agree here too.  Who would leave a hormone raging boy with a 12 year old.  My son is brought up manners and morals intact and I would even question a woman asking to leave my son with her daughter.  That picture just isn't right.  Don't jump on me, don't throw nanners but could the girl have made it up or been caught doing something and turned on the boy.  I just don't see a Mom with proof not going forward pressing charges.  Okay guys give it to me. lol  I mean no harm, not dumping on the poor little girl but just giving this guy some doubt in this instance only.
Hey, that could have happened, but I believe the now 21 year old girl was spoken to and she said it happened  Have to wonder what the other kids that Dale was sitting for has said about it. I mean if this happened and Dale and the girl were in a room for two hours, what were the other kids doing, sitting there watching the porn?

My eldest grandsons (10/11) are well aware of the boundaries established by their parents regarding the computer, the televisions and videos.  However ... those boundaries have been crossed on occassion when Mom and Dad have temporarily let their guard down in regards to supervision.

Some kids are easily influenced into making wrong immature choices.  That is why God blessed them with parents to establish and reinforce ...  to the best of their ability ...  guidelines for their wellbeing.

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« Reply #1896 on: October 04, 2009, 02:45:02 PM »

Just to add to the questions.  Wonder who Dale was babysitting that eventful day he tried to have sex with the 12 year old?.  Maybe a relative?  Some one in the neghborhood?  Could explain why the mother did not press charges against him.  Just wondering.  A bigger question is "Anyone here feel like we may be being played like a fiddle"?  Something is not right.  Reading past posts and putting 2 and 2 together,  I find some interesting post timelines.  Makes me feel like some posters may even be in the same cube?   
Hmmmmm.....I do feel like I'm in a rubeks cube sometimes 
Hi Karma.  I mean same cubical as in LE cubical???  Only way to explain some of the posts and things that happen here.  IMO

Sorry shortcake, but I'm still not sure what you mean.  If you think that some are feeling strongly for or against  certain people, well yes I suppose.

Personally, I go back and forth on everyone right now.  The "who to believe" in all this is crazy.

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« Reply #1897 on: October 04, 2009, 02:46:50 PM »

Here is the part of the SW regarding the 12 year old girl/babysitting situation:

Investigators then contacted_______________. She stated that in 2000 she and her two brothers were being babysat by Golder. She said her mother was good friends with Tena Golder. She said that while Golder watched pornographic videos and had her, her brothers and Dales younger brother watch the videos. He asked her to have sex with him and she refused. One day he took her to his room and barricaded the door with a large dresser. He removed her pants and the removed his pants and tried to have sexual intercourse with her. She said that she cried and struggled and after two hours he released her. She said she told friends about what happened whom she believed told school officials at Elma school district. It was reported to the police. Her mother found out about the incident. _______said her mother told her it would be her word against his and discouraged her from telling the police the truth. When the police officer spoke to her she said she told him nothing happened.

Thanks Leroy
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She said that while Golder watched pornographic videos and had her, her brothers and Dales younger brother watch the videos.

This sounds like it happened more than one time.While the kids watched porn Dale asked her to have sex with him,she refused.

Then one day he trapped her in his bedroom.So this happened at the Golder house.
Didn't I read somewhere that LE took a lot of kids clothes in the search warrant and someone from the Golder family stated that they have had like 15-20 children come through their home in the past years?
Does anyone know if Kona is a foster Mom?(please say no)
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« Reply #1898 on: October 04, 2009, 02:51:42 PM »

Karma - this is what DD said regarding the kids clothes:

Childrens Clothing
***bag of children's clothing; lived there 15 years; left          clothing there; had over 20 kids living there through the years

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« Reply #1899 on: October 04, 2009, 02:55:02 PM »

Just to add to the questions.  Wonder who Dale was babysitting that eventful day he tried to have sex with the 12 year old?.  Maybe a relative?  Some one in the neghborhood?  Could explain why the mother did not press charges against him.  Just wondering.  A bigger question is "Anyone here feel like we may be being played like a fiddle"?  Something is not right.  Reading past posts and putting 2 and 2 together,  I find some interesting post timelines.  Makes me feel like some posters may even be in the same cube?   
Hmmmmm.....I do feel like I'm in a rubeks cube sometimes 
Hi Karma.  I mean same cubical as in LE cubical???  Only way to explain some of the posts and things that happen here.  IMO

Sorry shortcake, but I'm still not sure what you mean.  If you think that some are feeling strongly for or against  certain people, well yes I suppose.

Personally, I go back and forth on everyone right now.  The "who to believe" in all this is crazy.


Leroy  I went back and looked at the myestrious release of the Harry Oakes email amd have determined it looks like it was all set-up.  Emails from Harry actually started day before Janet got hers.  Very suspicious don't you think.  Lots more.
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