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« Reply #220 on: September 28, 2009, 06:59:58 PM »

If Josh wasn't home wouldnt she have been looking for him too?
Not until the 10:00 PM curfew.

If it is accurate that the witness texted MB that she was sending JB home(before Lindsey got to Kara's, let's just say around 9pm), wouldn't MB have been looking for JB much earlier than the 10pm curfew?

you and I had the same thought
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« Reply #221 on: September 28, 2009, 07:06:43 PM »

Karma I appreciate your replies but one thing is, we cannot say lindsey did this or that because of this or that, or MB thought this or that. I think trying to find out forsure will clear up some of the questions, kwim? I wish a spokes person would be assigned to clear up these mistruths and rumors. But maybe the rumors are helping?

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« Reply #222 on: September 28, 2009, 07:08:12 PM »

IIRC, someone involved in this case, said that the person who sent Josh home...PAGED MB to let her know she was sending Josh home and again IIRC MB responded back that was OK.   Does anyone else remember this? 

Again, it would be so helpful to know exactly what these eyewitnesses reported, and to have a timeline from MB herself.
Madre,that was JenniferO at WS who stated that the witness who broke up the fight and sent Josh home also texted Melissa and told her she was sending Josh home.Melissa texted back that was OK.This is also the same witness who saw Lindsey on her walk home from Kayla's house.

Thanks, KarmaRoundUp...found it because I wasn't sure..

Thanks Karma.  Thanks Madre.

Whether Josh was home or not and ... considering Melissa Baum realized that there was a good possibility her daughter would be walking home alone ... if she could not contact Kara Kampen ... why did she not make an effort to walk to the Kampen/William and escort her daughter home?

The following words of Melissa Baum implies that she refuses to take personal responsibility for her role in what happened to her daughter.  "Why did this happen to me."  "I know it is not my fault."

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“This isn’t supposed to happen to me,” Baum said. “This doesn’t happen. I know it’s not my fault. But I feel guilty. Why didn’t I automatically go with her? My 12-year-old son thinks it’s his fault because they had a minor argument. But it all falls on the person who took her.”

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« Reply #223 on: September 28, 2009, 07:08:59 PM »

Tamikosmom I can see what you are saying, I wonder if MB assumed Lindsey would be escorted back to the house by Kayla, her brother, her mother or what have you as what may have been done in the past.
I wish I knew if MB just thought Lindsey was spending the night over there since Josh would have told her the plans changed once he returned home...

Why are these details so hard to find out? Seems like they are basic questions, why is this spokes person not out there clearing this stuff up, after all being a PR spokes person, that would be her job, right? If she is being a spokes person, she sucks at it.
The girls changed their minds about asking if Kayla could stay the night.......after the bike fight and after Josh was sent home the girls decided to ask if Lindsey could stay the night at Kayla's.Probably because she had just had a fight with her brother and didn't want to go home.

The girls had plans for Kayla to spend the night, they walked over to her house, with JB in toe as a possible escort for Lindsey in the case she couldn't. The fight happened, Josh is sent home, the bike abandoned, they asked if Lindsey could spend the night, the request was rejected and Lindsey was sent on her way home......Mean while Kara's phone is dead, MB could not call and check on her daughter, whether or not she called prior to 10, we don't know, she could have. By 10 something after LB"s curfew passes, MB reaches kara who happens to turn on her phone and everyone realizes Lindsey is missing. Two stories emerge, one kara and MB start looking and phone calls are made, the other, scott and Kara throw on shoes and head right over to MB's.

BTW I am not saying anyone is a good mom or not a good mom. I am trying to pick apart this story because it is not making any sense.
Karma given the fact that MB received a text stating Josh was being sent home I think it would be safe to assume MB would have been alarmed if JB had not come right home.
 
IMO Melissa wouldn't have been alarmed if Josh didn't return directly home after being told to.Josh has Aspergers(sp)and a host of other problems and Melissa said he likes to wander......I think she just lets him wander and he gets home by 10:00 PM?

I agree about KaraK's telling of what happened after Lindsey left her house.There should only be one story,the truth.

I also agree that Melissa should have gotten a hold of Kara right after she received that text(sending Josh home)because Melissa did not know if Lindsey was to walk home alone or not.If she couldn't get a hold of Kara by phone,she should have taken Josh and the dog and walked to Kara's to meet up with either Lindsey alone or Lindsey and Kayla.
I just don't think all of these should haves and could haves are doing any good.Melissa didn't do any of those things and no one can change that.
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« Reply #224 on: September 28, 2009, 07:13:54 PM »

Karma I appreciate your replies but one thing is, we cannot say lindsey did this or that because of this or that, or MB thought this or that. I think trying to find out forsure will clear up some of the questions, kwim? I wish a spokes person would be assigned to clear up these mistruths and rumors. But maybe the rumors are helping?


I understand but I'm not guessing at what Melissa is thinking or was thinking and I would never expect her to come on here and straighten us out on the truths but you are right,the family needs a formal spokesperson who can generate media attention and speak for the family.
As far as rumors go,IMO sometimes there is a little truth in each rumor.
 
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« Reply #225 on: September 28, 2009, 07:14:46 PM »

I believe what is going on here is going back to square 1, so to speak.  Are there inconsistencies, things that don't make sense, in MB, KK, etc. timelines and/or actions that night?  If so, why?
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« Reply #226 on: September 28, 2009, 07:20:29 PM »

I believe what is going on here is going back to square 1, so to speak.  Are there inconsistencies, things that don't make sense, in MB, KK, etc. timelines and/or actions that night?  If so, why?
This below doesn't make sense to me.

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1) She very well may have tried to contact me before that. At the time I got her call I'd only shortly before that switched my phone back on because the battery was drained. At the time I actually talked to her I had 1 bar on my phone so it had not been on the charger very long. - And because I'm sure someone will wonder how I remember that it is because we almost immediately went out looking and during the first 30 minutes I had several short calls between me and Melissa just checking in making sure Lindsey hadn't shown up and then I had to drop my phone off at home and charge it because it was already going dead.


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2) I can not tell you factually why or even if she waited 20 - 25 minutes to call them all I know is at the time she called me she was outside walking towards my house - so I would assume it was because she fully expected to see her walking up the street or she was still calling around to the other numbers on Lindsey's phone. - I've never seen any actual confirmation though that it was actually 10:50 either because in the time it took me to tell my old man what was going on, get my shoes and coat on and Scott to grab his keys and us to get to her house (a 2 minute drive) she was already waiting for the officer to show up. And I imagine it may have actually been slightly earlier then stated because the McCleary officer that Tacoma dispatch (i believe it was TD) called in had just got off duty and was at home and he lives outside of town and he was there at her house right about 11:00 pm.

So which is it?
KaraK and old man rushed right over to Melissa's house OR they arrived at Melissa's after 30 minutes of searching?
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« Reply #227 on: September 28, 2009, 07:23:35 PM »

Praying for you sweet Lindsey
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« Reply #228 on: September 28, 2009, 07:26:33 PM »

madre I agree, going back to square one seems to take us back to the fact there are wholes in stories.

I do not believe MB meant for this to happen and whether or not she is telling herself she is not to blame is some kind of survival thing or if she really believes she didn't. I can understand the comment, "the responsibility lies with the person who took her", I think that too, in a perfect world we should be able to let our children out of our sites without them going missing. However obvioulsy both woman could have done things to prevent it from happening. In questioning Kara's stories I am not saying she should have done this or that, I am not judging her ability to make wise decisions, I am questioning whether or not it happened that way and if she could be covering the truth. There I said it.

I read back today and read comments about her sons arm... I forgot about that. Wasn't that brought up resently here?
 



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« Reply #229 on: September 28, 2009, 07:26:41 PM »

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ditto....praying for her return...so very sad...
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« Reply #230 on: September 28, 2009, 07:28:56 PM »

Karma I appreciate your replies but one thing is, we cannot say lindsey did this or that because of this or that, or MB thought this or that. I think trying to find out forsure will clear up some of the questions, kwim? I wish a spokes person would be assigned to clear up these mistruths and rumors. But maybe the rumors are helping?


I understand but I'm not guessing at what Melissa is thinking or was thinking and I would never expect her to come on here and straighten us out on the truths but you are right,the family needs a formal spokesperson who can generate media attention and speak for the family.
As far as rumors go,IMO sometimes there is a little truth in each rumor.
 
And sometimes a rumor can help to get people away from the truth.....
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« Reply #231 on: September 28, 2009, 07:32:20 PM »

JESS STAR, I realize the thread has now gone in another direction, but I just read your post. I guess I will be the one monkey on the branch, but in the heat of a child being missing, I would STILL put that child first, and open my door for LE to take a look. I am not naive. I have had a background in LE, and have seen the good, the bad and the ugly. I do not know the LE here where I live now, but I would still let them in if it meant finding a 12 yr old alive or to find her remains if she wasn't. I would not hide behind my blinds and turn a blind eye. If they did find something suspicious, or thought they did, I would THEN retain someone in your capacity.

Now maybe the people in McCleary/Grays County know MORE about their local police there, and realize they have a history. That, I do not know. All I know is that the residents of where I live have respect for the LE, there is no bad gossip about them, and they are very visible and transparent and efficient. Until proven otherwise, I will hold that judgement.

If we are to be advocates for children, we should be able to "put ourselves out there" to a degree. I know Kona is paying the price. I cannot say how she feels at this point. I know she felt strongly enough to do something. Doing the right thing is not always easy, and it sometimes doesn't turn out the way we want it to. I have had things not turn out the way I wanted either, but at least I know I tried.

I will sit on the branch by myself on this if I have to. I have not changed my mind about it at all. JMO
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« Reply #232 on: September 28, 2009, 07:33:17 PM »

I believe what is going on here is going back to square 1, so to speak.  Are there inconsistencies, things that don't make sense, in MB, KK, etc. timelines and/or actions that night?  If so, why?
This below doesn't make sense to me.

Quote
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1) She very well may have tried to contact me before that. At the time I got her call I'd only shortly before that switched my phone back on because the battery was drained. At the time I actually talked to her I had 1 bar on my phone so it had not been on the charger very long. - And because I'm sure someone will wonder how I remember that it is because we almost immediately went out looking and during the first 30 minutes I had several short calls between me and Melissa just checking in making sure Lindsey hadn't shown up and then I had to drop my phone off at home and charge it because it was already going dead.


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2) I can not tell you factually why or even if she waited 20 - 25 minutes to call them all I know is at the time she called me she was outside walking towards my house - so I would assume it was because she fully expected to see her walking up the street or she was still calling around to the other numbers on Lindsey's phone. - I've never seen any actual confirmation though that it was actually 10:50 either because in the time it took me to tell my old man what was going on, get my shoes and coat on and Scott to grab his keys and us to get to her house (a 2 minute drive) she was already waiting for the officer to show up. And I imagine it may have actually been slightly earlier then stated because the McCleary officer that Tacoma dispatch (i believe it was TD) called in had just got off duty and was at home and he lives outside of town and he was there at her house right about 11:00 pm.

So which is it?
KaraK and old man rushed right over to Melissa's house OR they arrived at Melissa's after 30 minutes of searching?

Great catch Karma, hmmm seems like there are 2 stories, maybe this is why it has stuck with me, so which one is true? See this doesn't seem to be a hard detail to keep straight in ones mind. Why the change and why the 2 completely different stories? , 
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« Reply #233 on: September 28, 2009, 07:37:52 PM »

credits to KageyKaren at WS posted today at 4:42pm:

I'v been surfing again & all I can do is shake my head for many reasons. One of the subjects that is left to me to answer since I'm the one that made the statement that many of you read but never commented on. With honesty and confidence I shared Tim Miller's from TE financial backer and author post here. She's a great gal and so helpful in the Caylee case. I talked personally with the secreatary who spoke with Melissa Baums "neighbor" & 4 wks. later Melissa Baum. There are mistruths (thank you CA Caylee's grandma, for my new word) that have been spoken concerning a search. The secretary stated she thought both conversations were odd for first time callers. the neighbor stated she was calling on her own to get info about their services and would share with mom b. but that mom b was going to go with LRC's. Mom B called them, finally and told them she was sorry for the delay but LE had her computer. She then thanked them but told them she was using LRC. It seemed to me that Michelle B may have told her to use them. Secretary stated she told both women their service is free and if she changed her mind to give them a call. It was also shared with neighbor that Tes brings in their own volunteers (40-50) will train civillian volunteers as well. LRC is great but I would have picked TES to find my daughter so early into an investigation. JMO if my daughter could be in a forrest. There is way to much secretiveness going on so I took the time to clear up one subject for whatever it may be worth at this point. 
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« Reply #234 on: September 28, 2009, 07:38:00 PM »

Good Evening Monkeys and Guest!
I am trying desperately to catch up reading on Lindsey, but will take me days. I have a question and it probably will not be very popular. Is there concrete proof that Lindsey did not make it home? Not just the word of her Mom? There is a reason for these questions....something is just bugging me from what I have read.

I am the grandmother of 7 and they do not play outside at my house unless I am out there with them. I live on a dead end quiet street, but I do not let them out of my site. They are not allowed to go to any of the neighbors houses to play. If the other kids want to play they can come to my house. I guess some call me crazy, but they are not going missing on my watch.
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« Reply #235 on: September 28, 2009, 07:39:13 PM »

I do not know this poster and ... without backup would most likely disregard his/her words but ... according to DD ... a search warrant issued this past weekend in the Lindsey Baum case listing a floral bathing suit implies ... in my opinion ... some connection.  However ... considering the quad/three wheeler witness states that Lindsey was wearing her bathing suit ... not jeans and a hoodie ... I do not believe the sighting on the quad/three wheeler took place after 9:30 PM on the evening of June 26, 2009.

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... I had heard from a friend who works at the ORV park that someone thinks they saw Lindsey on one of the trails in Capital Forest on Saturday wearing a pink floral bathing suit and with a man on a quad or 3 wheeler. My friend said they've been doing searches in that area and checking every vehicle coming in and out as best they can.

http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=15126&page=16

Hi, Janet.

I think the 26th was a Friday... so if the siting indeed did happen on Saturday it would be after she was apparently last seen.

Thank you Girlzrock.

There I go again ... scanning and not reading carefully.

Nevertheless ... on July 1, 2009 ... there was the above post implying Lindsey was sighted on a quad in the OVR park wearing a floral bathing suit and ... then there is the warrant regarding the search of this past weekend listing a floral bathing suit.  Was the recent search just about following up on tips as LE implied?  Should the sighting day have been Friday ... not Saturday?

I would be interesting to know if KONA's son owns a quad and ... if the young man had a connection with Lindsey prior to her going missing.

As I stated previous ... considering Lindsey was not wearing jeans and a hoodie in the OVR sighting ... I do not think the connection has anything to do with her disappearance following the 9:30 PM sighting of at 5th and Maple..

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Pimentel noted that although the search warrants are getting a lot of attention, the Sheriff’s Office has “served dozens of search warrants” during the course of the three-month investigation.

“This is just one tip we’ve received that we decided to follow up on out of thousands, literally, thousands of tips,” Pimentel said. “The people we talked to yesterday were among the hundreds and hundreds of people we’ve talked to, as well.”

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A girl in a pink floral bathing suit was sighted up at the ORV park that was said to be Lindsey? Oy   

I'm glad that whoever saw that did call it in, but it was probably just someone with a stage of paranoia knowing they are in an area where a girl is missing, and found someone to fit the description. It's been a while, but I'm pretty sure the guy who used to run the ORV park (the one who was fired) has a daughter who is a brunette.
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« Reply #236 on: September 28, 2009, 07:44:44 PM »

im still tryin to figure out who you can text someone that allegedly didnt have a cell phone at the time ::MonkeyTease:

MB did have a cell phone per MM...it was MK (Kayla) that did not have a cell phone, per some posting today....
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« Reply #237 on: September 28, 2009, 07:45:26 PM »

credits to KageyKaren at WS posted today at 4:42pm:

I'v been surfing again & all I can do is shake my head for many reasons. One of the subjects that is left to me to answer since I'm the one that made the statement that many of you read but never commented on. With honesty and confidence I shared Tim Miller's from TE financial backer and author post here. She's a great gal and so helpful in the Caylee case. I talked personally with the secreatary who spoke with Melissa Baums "neighbor" & 4 wks. later Melissa Baum. There are mistruths (thank you CA Caylee's grandma, for my new word) that have been spoken concerning a search. The secretary stated she thought both conversations were odd for first time callers. the neighbor stated she was calling on her own to get info about their services and would share with mom b. but that mom b was going to go with LRC's. Mom B called them, finally and told them she was sorry for the delay but LE had her computer. She then thanked them but told them she was using LRC. It seemed to me that Michelle B may have told her to use them. Secretary stated she told both women their service is free and if she changed her mind to give them a call. It was also shared with neighbor that Tes brings in their own volunteers (40-50) will train civillian volunteers as well. LRC is great but I would have picked TES to find my daughter so early into an investigation. JMO if my daughter could be in a forrest. There is way to much secretiveness going on so I took the time to clear up one subject for whatever it may be worth at this point. 


I don't understand this post at all. Can someone please summerize it for me?

BTW, thank you Northern Rose for such a good detailing of who Michelle is. I am not up on caylee's case and do not know the inner workings. Your post helped me to understand this person is thought of as an opportunist.
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« Reply #238 on: September 28, 2009, 07:49:20 PM »

Karma said....

IMO Melissa wouldn't have been alarmed if Josh didn't return directly home after being told to.Josh has Aspergers(sp)and a host of other problems and Melissa said he likes to wander......I think she just lets him wander and he gets home by 10:00 PM?

Given the fact he does have aspergers and likes to wonder would lead me to believe it would make her concerned if he didn't come straight home..hmmmm seems we are seeing this differently. If only a SPOKES PERSON COULD CLARIFY THIS POINT
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« Reply #239 on: September 28, 2009, 07:57:59 PM »

JESS STAR, I realize the thread has now gone in another direction, but I just read your post. I guess I will be the one monkey on the branch, but in the heat of a child being missing, I would STILL put that child first, and open my door for LE to take a look. I am not naive. I have had a background in LE, and have seen the good, the bad and the ugly. I do not know the LE here where I live now, but I would still let them in if it meant finding a 12 yr old alive or to find her remains if she wasn't. I would not hide behind my blinds and turn a blind eye. If they did find something suspicious, or thought they did, I would THEN retain someone in your capacity.

Now maybe the people in McCleary/Grays County know MORE about their local police there, and realize they have a history. That, I do not know. All I know is that the residents of where I live have respect for the LE, there is no bad gossip about them, and they are very visible and transparent and efficient. Until proven otherwise, I will hold that judgement.

If we are to be advocates for children, we should be able to "put ourselves out there" to a degree. I know Kona is paying the price. I cannot say how she feels at this point. I know she felt strongly enough to do something. Doing the right thing is not always easy, and it sometimes doesn't turn out the way we want it to. I have had things not turn out the way I wanted either, but at least I know I tried.

I will sit on the branch by myself on this if I have to. I have not changed my mind about it at all. JMO

I have full respect for the police officers who are in McCleary. Hands down and 100%, I trust all of them that I do know. Behind their uniforms they are good people. As any person, they have made mistakes before, but they are only human. And still my opinion does not change.
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