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« Reply #580 on: September 29, 2009, 10:54:49 PM »

Yes that does come across differently than how i  meant it.  No MB has never said she would rid of josh!!!!! I am saying that (since many ppl have thrown out there that mb probably did something to LB)  Generally one would think that if they are going to rid of a child, the logical choice is the one that causes the most trouble.  Josh is certainly not a cash cow as someone put it. with the troubles there has been lots of money out of mb's pocket for missing days of work or whatever. and just because someone is SUPPOSE to pay childsupport that doesnt mean it happens!
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« Reply #581 on: September 29, 2009, 11:13:13 PM »

maybe.  but plural means more than one.  could be 5-5,000.  maybe there was a minor in the house and the le helped 'remove' the mags because of it.  my hubs has girly mags.  are they gonna come to my house next?

Thanks, mc.  I hope you are doing well.

While we were growing up, my girlfriend's father had a bunch of those mags.  We used to sneak in his room and look at them (for a few minutes, then went back to the fun stuff like playing in the snow or on the swings, etc.)  Who the heck wants to look at that when they can go out and play and explore?

He never touched any one of us or was inappropriate in any way towards us (kids).  He was married to the same woman from his twenties until the day he died.  He worked for some kind of company that transported boxes of food, produce, and candy, and theirs was the house you wanted to hit on Halloween (full size candy bars).

IMO, and in my experience, having those mags does not make you a child abductor.  I grew up in a normal, safe neighborhood where we did not have to lock the doors in the daytime.  We lived across the street from a school with a great school yard and playground where you could find the whole neighborhood at any given moment.

(I am not in favor of pornography because I think it  exploits and hurts women and children, just wanted to make that clear).

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« Reply #582 on: September 29, 2009, 11:36:30 PM »

sister,,, mb tries to avoid these sites at all costs but I will tell what you said and thank you for that


I can’t believe that others of you are down nosing MB because she didn't update her entire myspace page! she has every right to want to meet a decent man after her now ex did what he did and she was doing that BEFORE Lindsey went missing! if anyone has a myspace page then you know the each section is in a different box and when she edited the part adding in about Lindsey she probably just missed the other or was distracted or whatever. cant y'all focus on what really matters.


and yes I will say this because I can and because we have even said it out loud in the real world,,,,,,, IF mb was going to get rid of one of her children,,,, WHICH SHE WOULD NEVER DO,,,,based on everything you have written and read about jb, do you REALLY think that LB would of been the choice?!?! come on people, I know you all have good intentions, even when you do cut people apart, but cant we refrain from suggesting MB did something.

MB may have some hours during the day without JB around because he is in school and she is still on leave from work,, from a place she has been for 2 1/2 years for whomever suggested she was unemployed,  but that doesn't exactly count as me time. You dint see what she does day to day. she finds all sorts of things to keep herself busy so she doesn't sit there and cry. her stress level is through the roof and the suggested ideas for me time would be doing something like getting a massage, or go to the gym, or go out to lunch with a friend. however she doesn't do anything like that because she fears the second that she does and becomes unavailable will be the time that something major happens.  and then on top of it I am sure everyone would rip her because she was out doing something for herself instead of sitting at home by the phone. she just cant win for othing.


It seems no matter what she does, someone is gonna rip her action apart. I cant tell you why she doesn't have a PR person except that I do know she feels the people of importance, such as the LE, knows that they need to and ask her questions if they come up.

I dont know jenn-o, I know MB is grateful she is helping with the search center via LRC. I know MB is grateful she has KK to lean on day in and day out since I am not available, her family is not available, and KK lives blocks away and doesn't work outside the home and has the time she can spend with MB. It doesn't matter what I or anyone thinks of KK, she is helping mb get though this. as for me wanting to get KK away from mb, that was in regards to a morning I was going over to speak to MB and it was not a conversation in which KK was to be a part of. I also didn't think the relationship between KK and MB was a healthy one but MB explained to me why and I will support it.  So yes, I advise MB on what I think but it certainly doesn’t mean she is going to do it.



Also what the heck is up with the hidden something in this forum that makes the pop up blockers not block the pop ups!


Here are MY thoughts on Melissa B. No matter what you say, she has not acted "in the norm" since day one. I could understand that she may not want to come on any web site, what I cannot understand is why she has not been out banging on doors, following up on leads, shouting from the rooftops "where is my child". Sitting on her porch waiting for Lindsey will not help to get her home. The timelines are rediculous at best. I don't know if it is because the versions have never come from the mother herself. Like you yourself have stated, things change as they travel from one person to the next. Then there are all of the unanswered questions that are still left unanswered. "Who was the witness or witnesses that supposedly spotted Lindsey on her walk home that night?" Why is that such a secret and still remains a secret after 3 months? I could go on and on and on. There are days that Melissa B and her actions or LACK THERE OF just cause me to think "what the heck". Then I have my days when I feel sick for Melissa B. I cannot imagine for one second what it would be like to be in her shoes right now. Last week-end especially. The waiting and wondering must have been total hell! I cannot speak for anyone else, but I go from one extreme to the other with regards to my feelings on Melissa B. There are days that I am suspicious of her and there are days that my heart hurts for her. Just the facts Mam!
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« Reply #583 on: September 29, 2009, 11:39:24 PM »

Melissa, hi, nice to meet you!  What do you know of the girls swimming with LB, formerly the mean girls?
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« Reply #584 on: September 30, 2009, 12:11:13 AM »

I have tried to put myself in Melissa Baum's place and the truth is I can't, therefore, I really don't know what "normal" is.  I have never experienced anything like she has and is experiencing.  Everyone of us does things, doesn't do things, says things, doesn't say things based on our own experiences and lessons in life.  As far as I am concerned, she is a child of God and needs to be respected as such.  Her feelings and her actions are valid because they are hers.  Until such time as there is evidence or facts to the contrary, she needs our prayers and our support.  Unless I am privy to what is going on within her home, within her mind, how can I say what she is capable of thinking or doing, for all I know she is sitting on her porch or in her living room praying day and night.  We say the best thing we can do is pray, wouldn't that apply to her also.  It is quite reasonable that LE would say to her, let us handle this, we know what we doing.  There have been hundreds of cases where the parent or parents have been very vocal, and there are equally hundreds of cases where the people are so overwhelmed they are clueless what to do and their fear for the child is so disabling they can barely breathe.  So which one is normal?  I believe I know what I would do, including the banging on doors and shouting from roof tops, but that is me and my personality.  Quite frankly, I don't think there is a normal.
Other questions regarding witnesses and why it is secret or any other such issues, have nothing to do with my perception of Melissa Baum and what she is or is not doing.  I know for a fact, at least at this stage, I would advise to her to get up every day, get dressed, take care of your son, and do your best not to go insane with worry.
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« Reply #585 on: September 30, 2009, 12:26:59 AM »

I have a little request.  Tonight I want to research any discussions about Lindsey's fear re the person in a white car following her and also that this same person approached one of her gf's and offered to let her drive the car if she wanted to.

If anyone knows where to find this quick-like I'd appreciate it.  xox

This KING5 comment is all that I have ever read regarding the white car.

Janet

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Also people need to know Lindsey had told a friend a white car had been folling her and that another 11 year old girl was also talked to by someone a=in a white car the guy tryed to get her in by going as far as telling her she could drive the car. She ran and told her mom and yes the police knows this too.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor



Hi Tamikosmom,  You are an absolute PEACH and I thank you very much for that.

The other little 11 yr old girl Lindsey mentioned to Mlechester, I bet LE located her and have had her do an ID on this 23 yr old, just saying as it is speculative right now.  But it certainly would go to probable cause if she said it was the same guy and he was scaring Lindsey too.  xox

PS:  I think they have many things, computer linking Lindsey and this man on MS, and like a great poster I know suggested if he works at the Beehive he probably buys his gas at the Shell station and maybe he was seen on video there.  Lots of possibilities I see breaking open.

Do you think he is currently being interrogated?
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« Reply #586 on: September 30, 2009, 12:34:14 AM »

Sister you said that so perfectly, can I just say ditto? Do you mind!

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« Reply #587 on: September 30, 2009, 12:36:20 AM »

I have tried to put myself in Melissa Baum's place and the truth is I can't, therefore, I really don't know what "normal" is.  I have never experienced anything like she has and is experiencing.  Everyone of us does things, doesn't do things, says things, doesn't say things based on our own experiences and lessons in life.  As far as I am concerned, she is a child of God and needs to be respected as such.  Her feelings and her actions are valid because they are hers.  Until such time as there is evidence or facts to the contrary, she needs our prayers and our support.  Unless I am privy to what is going on within her home, within her mind, how can I say what she is capable of thinking or doing, for all I know she is sitting on her porch or in her living room praying day and night.  We say the best thing we can do is pray, wouldn't that apply to her also.  It is quite reasonable that LE would say to her, let us handle this, we know what we doing.  There have been hundreds of cases where the parent or parents have been very vocal, and there are equally hundreds of cases where the people are so overwhelmed they are clueless what to do and their fear for the child is so disabling they can barely breathe.  So which one is normal?  I believe I know what I would do, including the banging on doors and shouting from roof tops, but that is me and my personality.  Quite frankly, I don't think there is a normal.
Other questions regarding witnesses and why it is secret or any other such issues, have nothing to do with my perception of Melissa Baum and what she is or is not doing.  I know for a fact, at least at this stage, I would advise to her to get up every day, get dressed, take care of your son, and do your best not to go insane with worry.

I appreciate and respect your opinion. I just waffle with my thoughts where MB is concerned. I am sure that it does not help that so many women are suspects in many high profile child related cases as we speak. Sometimes when you think that this world cannot get any crueler, you need to go back and review all of the cruelty that was going on during the times when the bible was written.
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« Reply #588 on: September 30, 2009, 12:39:34 AM »

I have a little request.  Tonight I want to research any discussions about Lindsey's fear re the person in a white car following her and also that this same person approached one of her gf's and offered to let her drive the car if she wanted to.

If anyone knows where to find this quick-like I'd appreciate it.  xox

This KING5 comment is all that I have ever read regarding the white car.

Janet

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mlachester:

Also people need to know Lindsey had told a friend a white car had been folling her and that another 11 year old girl was also talked to by someone a=in a white car the guy tryed to get her in by going as far as telling her she could drive the car. She ran and told her mom and yes the police knows this too.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor



Hi Tamikosmom,  You are an absolute PEACH and I thank you very much for that.

The other little 11 yr old girl Lindsey mentioned to Mlechester, I bet LE located her and have had her do an ID on this 23 yr old, just saying as it is speculative right now.  But it certainly would go to probable cause if she said it was the same guy and he was scaring Lindsey too.  xox

PS:  I think they have many things, computer linking Lindsey and this man on MS, and like a great poster I know suggested if he works at the Beehive he probably buys his gas at the Shell station and maybe he was seen on video there.  Lots of possibilities I see breaking open.

Do you think he is currently being interrogated?

Hi Scandi,
Where did you hear that LE has a computer linking Lindsey and this man on MS? Thank you!

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« Reply #589 on: September 30, 2009, 12:43:57 AM »

Sister you said that so perfectly, can I just say ditto? Do you mind!


Tracygirl, you know I don't mind. I know we want answers, but so do a lot of other people.  I have really checked myself today on being so judgmental and have tried very hard to put myself in Melissa Baum's shoes.  I don't know if I could get out of my bed or my pajamas or even take a bath.  I would look at the book they were reading together, I would walk past her room, see maybe her shoes somewhere were maybe they weren't suppose to be, see her favorite drink in the frig -- and I think you would have to pick me up from the floor.  Yet, she has to try and be strong for her son because unfortunately, the world does not stop to respect our despair, our fear, or even our sorrow.
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« Reply #590 on: September 30, 2009, 12:51:18 AM »

I have been searching for the answere as to the second witness.  Has anyone been able to determine what she does?  I believe Undersheriff Scott reported: The last person was a neighbor on her way to work.  Some accounts was she worked at the Beehive, another for the County, another in another County??  Any valid confirmation?  At the least, I think going to work at that time(9:30PM) is a very unusual time.  Maybe security or the paper?  Just has me wondering??  If you want to blame someone, why not go after the McCleary Police for not being present on the Friday night when this happened.  Someone had to be called back to work after he just got off.  Maybe off at 11:00PM and home by 10:00PM(could not help myself)?  Why not make public who was the McCleary officer called back to duty after the 911 call.  I believe there are a lot of loose ends that still need to be tied.   shortcake   
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« Reply #591 on: September 30, 2009, 12:54:07 AM »

Sister every night when I tuck my kids into bed I thank God I know where they are. The panic that runs through my body when I even try, for one moment, imagine what it would feel like to not know, to wonder if they are being hurt, if they are being abused or if they where even still alive, that panic makes me stop breathing, literally. The pain must be unbarrible.


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« Reply #592 on: September 30, 2009, 01:01:02 AM »

Hi All,
See everyone is here. I was told by Northern someone asked for me in regards to Kylar's wound.

If anyone needs the photo I have it.

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« Reply #593 on: September 30, 2009, 01:05:41 AM »

I have a little request.  Tonight I want to research any discussions about Lindsey's fear re the person in a white car following her and also that this same person approached one of her gf's and offered to let her drive the car if she wanted to.

If anyone knows where to find this quick-like I'd appreciate it.  xox

This KING5 comment is all that I have ever read regarding the white car.

Janet

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mlachester:

Also people need to know Lindsey had told a friend a white car had been folling her and that another 11 year old girl was also talked to by someone a=in a white car the guy tryed to get her in by going as far as telling her she could drive the car. She ran and told her mom and yes the police knows this too.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor



Hi Tamikosmom,  You are an absolute PEACH and I thank you very much for that.

The other little 11 yr old girl Lindsey mentioned to Mlechester, I bet LE located her and have had her do an ID on this 23 yr old, just saying as it is speculative right now.  But it certainly would go to probable cause if she said it was the same guy and he was scaring Lindsey too.  xox

PS:  I think they have many things, computer linking Lindsey and this man on MS, and like a great poster I know suggested if he works at the Beehive he probably buys his gas at the Shell station and maybe he was seen on video there.  Lots of possibilities I see breaking open.

Do you think he is currently being interrogated?

Hi Scandi,
Where did you hear that LE has a computer linking Lindsey and this man on MS? Thank you!


Hi to you too Sebastian,  I saw some great posts by you earlier today and wasn't even suppose to be here, rather at the office  LOL, so didn't respond to you.

But I read this here at SM in either one of DD's posts or the poster last night whose 20 yr old son came home and told him the local news about her clothes being found.  It must have been from DD and I do believe she has a copy of the warrant/s.  We'll know on Thursday.
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« Reply #594 on: September 30, 2009, 01:06:23 AM »

I have tried to put myself in Melissa Baum's place and the truth is I can't, therefore, I really don't know what "normal" is.  I have never experienced anything like she has and is experiencing.  Everyone of us does things, doesn't do things, says things, doesn't say things based on our own experiences and lessons in life.  As far as I am concerned, she is a child of God and needs to be respected as such.  Her feelings and her actions are valid because they are hers.  Until such time as there is evidence or facts to the contrary, she needs our prayers and our support.  Unless I am privy to what is going on within her home, within her mind, how can I say what she is capable of thinking or doing, for all I know she is sitting on her porch or in her living room praying day and night.  We say the best thing we can do is pray, wouldn't that apply to her also.  It is quite reasonable that LE would say to her, let us handle this, we know what we doing.  There have been hundreds of cases where the parent or parents have been very vocal, and there are equally hundreds of cases where the people are so overwhelmed they are clueless what to do and their fear for the child is so disabling they can barely breathe.  So which one is normal?  I believe I know what I would do, including the banging on doors and shouting from roof tops, but that is me and my personality.  Quite frankly, I don't think there is a normal.
Other questions regarding witnesses and why it is secret or any other such issues, have nothing to do with my perception of Melissa Baum and what she is or is not doing.  I know for a fact, at least at this stage, I would advise to her to get up every day, get dressed, take care of your son, and do your best not to go insane with worry.

I appreciate and respect your opinion. I just waffle with my thoughts where MB is concerned. I am sure that it does not help that so many women are suspects in many high profile child related cases as we speak. Sometimes when you think that this world cannot get any crueler, you need to go back and review all of the cruelty that was going on during the times when the bible was written.

Sebastian, I understand.  We have learned what people, including women, are capable and it does go beyond my comprehension most of the time.  I have been a scholar of the Bible and particularly the Hebrew Scriptures for a long time and I know what you are talking about when it comes to cruelty and horrendous acts.
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« Reply #595 on: September 30, 2009, 01:09:39 AM »

I have tried to put myself in Melissa Baum's place and the truth is I can't, therefore, I really don't know what "normal" is.  I have never experienced anything like she has and is experiencing.  Everyone of us does things, doesn't do things, says things, doesn't say things based on our own experiences and lessons in life.  As far as I am concerned, she is a child of God and needs to be respected as such.  Her feelings and her actions are valid because they are hers.  Until such time as there is evidence or facts to the contrary, she needs our prayers and our support.  Unless I am privy to what is going on within her home, within her mind, how can I say what she is capable of thinking or doing, for all I know she is sitting on her porch or in her living room praying day and night.  We say the best thing we can do is pray, wouldn't that apply to her also.  It is quite reasonable that LE would say to her, let us handle this, we know what we doing.  There have been hundreds of cases where the parent or parents have been very vocal, and there are equally hundreds of cases where the people are so overwhelmed they are clueless what to do and their fear for the child is so disabling they can barely breathe.  So which one is normal?  I believe I know what I would do, including the banging on doors and shouting from roof tops, but that is me and my personality.  Quite frankly, I don't think there is a normal.
Other questions regarding witnesses and why it is secret or any other such issues, have nothing to do with my perception of Melissa Baum and what she is or is not doing.  I know for a fact, at least at this stage, I would advise to her to get up every day, get dressed, take care of your son, and do your best not to go insane with worry.

I appreciate and respect your opinion. I just waffle with my thoughts where MB is concerned. I am sure that it does not help that so many women are suspects in many high profile child related cases as we speak. Sometimes when you think that this world cannot get any crueler, you need to go back and review all of the cruelty that was going on during the times when the bible was written.

Sebastian, I understand.  We have learned what people, including women, are capable and it does go beyond my comprehension most of the time.  I have been a scholar of the Bible and particularly the Hebrew Scriptures for a long time and I know what you are talking about when it comes to cruelty and horrendous acts.

Thank you Sister!
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« Reply #596 on: September 30, 2009, 01:10:27 AM »

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/62753227.html If this has already been posted, please excuse the duplication.
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« Reply #597 on: September 30, 2009, 01:12:14 AM »

I have a little request.  Tonight I want to research any discussions about Lindsey's fear re the person in a white car following her and also that this same person approached one of her gf's and offered to let her drive the car if she wanted to.

If anyone knows where to find this quick-like I'd appreciate it.  xox

This KING5 comment is all that I have ever read regarding the white car.

Janet

++++++

mlachester:

Also people need to know Lindsey had told a friend a white car had been folling her and that another 11 year old girl was also talked to by someone a=in a white car the guy tryed to get her in by going as far as telling her she could drive the car. She ran and told her mom and yes the police knows this too.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor



Hi Tamikosmom,  You are an absolute PEACH and I thank you very much for that.

The other little 11 yr old girl Lindsey mentioned to Mlechester, I bet LE located her and have had her do an ID on this 23 yr old, just saying as it is speculative right now.  But it certainly would go to probable cause if she said it was the same guy and he was scaring Lindsey too.  xox

PS:  I think they have many things, computer linking Lindsey and this man on MS, and like a great poster I know suggested if he works at the Beehive he probably buys his gas at the Shell station and maybe he was seen on video there.  Lots of possibilities I see breaking open.

Do you think he is currently being interrogated?

Hi Scandi,
Where did you hear that LE has a computer linking Lindsey and this man on MS? Thank you!


Hi to you too Sebastian,  I saw some great posts by you earlier today and wasn't even suppose to be here, rather at the office  LOL, so didn't respond to you.

But I read this here at SM in either one of DD's posts or the poster last night whose 20 yr old son came home and told him the local news about her clothes being found.  It must have been from DD and I do believe she has a copy of the warrant/s.  We'll know on Thursday.

Scandi, I believe dd said LE had taken a computer, but I don't recall anyone has said anything on there was linked to Lindsey (it probably is still be examined) or to her myspace.  Additionally, I believe the poster in re: clothes being found later said this was not correct.  I could be mistaken.
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« Reply #598 on: September 30, 2009, 01:13:00 AM »

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/62753227.html If this has already been posted, please excuse the duplication.

I had to chuckle at the paragraph that starts "Feeding the rumor mill........"
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« Reply #599 on: September 30, 2009, 01:16:17 AM »

Hi Scandi!
I too heard about the computer being taken, but not a link via myspace. Could you please try to remember where you heard that? Thank you in advance!
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