Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 - 10/4/09

[sunshine12]

the posts about lb stopping at the home she was swimming that day on her way home from karak's begin here :  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5790.1300

here is the post by DD that starts on that page that begins to explain it, you can continue reading on from there for more info (i am bad at learning how to bring things over from previous threads! sorry)

"In the process of elimination:

let see, melissa, josh, kara, scott, etc.

how about in the process of elimination we add ML to that list
after all lindsey always ran there ML says. "
ML was not living in mccleary for some time, yet she states lindsey told her this or that, well how did lindsey tell her this and that if she is not in the same town?
ML comes out of nowhere to point at melissa and josh, says she has a report to prove it.
When I ask for evidence of that report, then the story changes to she does not know if a report was made or not.
Lindsey was at Tag & Libbys that day(more to this whole story coming) and these are Marilyn's good friends.
First I am told a local said lindsey stopped at tag and libby's on the way home and asked to spend the night. then marilyn says NO, not at tag and libby's at Kara's.
Then marilyn says that lindsey does not know anyone else on that street and lindsey headed straight home, well marilyn knows full well Lindsey knows Tag and Libby. But for some reason she doesn't want anyone to know that? why?
And how does marilyn know Lindsey did or did not stop anywhere else, or who lindsey might know for that matter when she has not even lived in the town for some time. Is she monitoring where lindsey goes and who she knows?

how is it that someone who knows marilyn so well keeps seeing kara's daughter at the library when they don't live in that town. According to Kara lindsey was with kara's daughter nearly everyday, so was lindsey at the library a lot also? did the person who is marilyn's friend see lindsey at the library all those time she also saw kara's daughter there? why are you at a library in another town, especially, when you are saying you never go anywhere?

Why does everything a local says about what they saw or know, change after Marilyn finds out what they said?

and "roger", oh yes, "Roger" is that roger rabbit pulled out of the magician's hat.. wow, someone who can make people appear out of nowhere, hmmm, can they make someone disappear out of nowhere also? magician which they are?

come now, let's stop talking falsely now, the hour is getting late.
from my good old friend JIMI hendrix that is.

[no rose colored glasses]

Thanks Sunshine 

[Tamikosmom]

Family Says They Are Unfairly Targeted In McCleary Search
Posted: 4:29 pm PDT September 28, 2009
Updated: 7:40 pm PDT September 28, 2009

OLYMPIA, Wash. -- After two days of intense searching at a home and property outside McCleary, investigators said it appears they found no significant evidence that will help find 11-year-old Lindsey Baum.

The owner of the property told KIRO 7 reporter Richard Thompson that he’s contacted a lawyer about suing the police and the media, saying they had no right to put the family through the search.

Baum’s mother said she is disappointed that nothing was found relating to her daughter, who has been missing for three months.

"I was obviously really hoping something would come from the search," said Melissa Baum.

Law enforcement sources told KIRO 7 that among the evidence collected during the search were condoms and pornographic magazines. A car was also seized and will undergo further forensic testing.

The homeowner of the property said his family has been unfairly targeted in the search, "they didn't find anything here because we didn't do anything to that little girl."

Relatives confirm a man at the house was the focus of the investigation and search. One of his relatives said, "the only reason they were doing this search is, he gave a wrong answer to a question by a detective on the telephone."

Detectives insisted Monday they were acting on credible evidence when they got the search warrant for the property on Friday.

Lindsey's mother said she understands the family's frustration, but her daughter's life is at stake.

"If they end up being completely innocent, I'm sorry. But at the same time, my daughter is missing," she said.

Lindsey disappeared June 26 while walking home from a friend’s house.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21142578/detail.html

Leroy

Thank you for highlighting those segments of the article.

I am inclined to give LE the benefit of the doubt that the search had a credible foundation of suspicion or a judge would never have approved the warrant.

Considering LE concedes that nothing which appears to be case related was found in the search ... I cannot comprehend why it is claimed that a member of this family is being framed.  I assume that framed would imply that planted evidence would have be located.  Also ... the neighbours appear to uphold the family.

It has not been revealed ... as far as I know ... what the "wrong" answer the young man gave LE.  Could it be that the wrong answer arouse suspicion and therefore it was the catalyst which resulted in the search warrant.

The LE appear to be damned if they do and damned if they don't.

Janet

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Police have yet to find big break in case
By Steven Friederich
The Daily World
Sunday, September 27, 2009 1:14 AM PDT

Chief Criminal Deputy Dave Pimentel said he conducted interviews with a number of people Friday, but said no suspects or persons of interests have been named and no arrests have been made.

“So far, we have not found that smoking gun, we have not found anything that would jump out at us, but without forensic analysis done at the lab, we can’t really say whether what we’ve found will help our cause or not.”

<snipped>

Pimentel noted that although the search warrants are getting a lot of attention, the Sheriff’s Office has “served dozens of search warrants” during the course of the three-month investigation.

“This is just one tip we’ve received that we decided to follow up on out of thousands, literally, thousands of tips,” Pimentel said. “The people we talked to yesterday were among the hundreds and hundreds of people we’ve talked to, as well.”

Pimentel said the next step is sending the dozens of boxes and bags of evidence on to the state’s crime lab for forensic analysis.

http://**/articles/2009/09/27/local_news/doc4abf03c936aa2261426446.txt


Search Warrants Served In Missing Girl Case
Posted: 11:42 am PDT September 25, 2009
Updated: 6:37 pm PDT September 25, 2009

Neighbors said they don’t think police will find a thing.

"I just think they've got the wrong family. I'm sure they've got some sort of evidence or something, but I'm sure they've got the wrong family," said one neighbor who did not give his name.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21116315/detail.html

[sunshine12]

tamiko's mom-

i agree with your viewpoint regarding the search.  i honestly think that when kona wouldn't give her real name to the person in charge of registering people for the searches it may have put up a red flag for that person.  i can kind of understand why because many times perps will insert themselves in investigations (I am NOT saying i think kona or her family has anything to do with this, im simply saying why it might raise a red flag)...

im sure the person who was trying to get kona to give her real name spoke with people about how she thought it was weird that this person didnt give her name, and i wouldn't be suprised if that's what started this. surely locals knew who this person was and then im sure they all started digging deeper into the family...

maybe thats how this whole thing w/kona started?

[Tracygirl]

Kona should have simply been asked to give her name to LE, J is not LE and she didn't need to give it to her.

The flyers should have been on every table in town, every light post, every door...no reason there was none to be seen. Shameful.

I received some information that I can't varify so maybe you all can help. Is it true that a certain person with the initial J daughter inlaw is related to Kara's ex boyfriend? Is this common knowledge?

[no rose colored glasses]

tamiko's mom-

i agree with your viewpoint regarding the search.  i honestly think that when kona wouldn't give her real name to the person in charge of registering people for the searches it may have put up a red flag for that person.  i can kind of understand why because many times perps will insert themselves in investigations (I am NOT saying i think kona or her family has anything to do with this, im simply saying why it might raise a red flag)...

im sure the person who was trying to get kona to give her real name spoke with people about how she thought it was weird that this person didnt give her name, and i wouldn't be suprised if that's what started this. surely locals knew who this person was and then im sure they all started digging deeper into the family...

maybe thats how this whole thing w/kona started?

You know that's a great thought, and could very well be how this all started 

[sunshine12]

Kona should have simply been asked to give her name to LE, J is not LE and she didn't need to give it to her.

The flyers should have been on every table in town, every light post, every door...no reason there was none to be seen. Shameful.

I received some information that I can't varify so maybe you all can help. Is it true that a certain person with the initial J daughter inlaw is related to Kara's ex boyfriend? Is this common knowledge?

yes that is true, j herself said that on websleuths, i will go try to find a link

[Tamikosmom]

the posts about lb stopping at the home she was swimming that day on her way home from karak's begin here :  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5790.1300

here is the post by DD that starts on that page that begins to explain it, you can continue reading on from there for more info (i am bad at learning how to bring things over from previous threads! sorry)

"In the process of elimination:

let see, melissa, josh, kara, scott, etc.

how about in the process of elimination we add ML to that list
after all lindsey always ran there ML says. "
ML was not living in mccleary for some time, yet she states lindsey told her this or that, well how did lindsey tell her this and that if she is not in the same town?
ML comes out of nowhere to point at melissa and josh, says she has a report to prove it.
When I ask for evidence of that report, then the story changes to she does not know if a report was made or not.
Lindsey was at Tag & Libbys that day(more to this whole story coming) and these are Marilyn's good friends.
First I am told a local said lindsey stopped at tag and libby's on the way home and asked to spend the night. then marilyn says NO, not at tag and libby's at Kara's.
Then marilyn says that lindsey does not know anyone else on that street and lindsey headed straight home, well marilyn knows full well Lindsey knows Tag and Libby. But for some reason she doesn't want anyone to know that? why?
And how does marilyn know Lindsey did or did not stop anywhere else, or who lindsey might know for that matter when she has not even lived in the town for some time. Is she monitoring where lindsey goes and who she knows?

how is it that someone who knows marilyn so well keeps seeing kara's daughter at the library when they don't live in that town. According to Kara lindsey was with kara's daughter nearly everyday, so was lindsey at the library a lot also? did the person who is marilyn's friend see lindsey at the library all those time she also saw kara's daughter there? why are you at a library in another town, especially, when you are saying you never go anywhere?

Why does everything a local says about what they saw or know, change after Marilyn finds out what they said?

and "roger", oh yes, "Roger" is that roger rabbit pulled out of the magician's hat.. wow, someone who can make people appear out of nowhere, hmmm, can they make someone disappear out of nowhere also? magician which they are?

come now, let's stop talking falsely now, the hour is getting late.
from my good old friend JIMI hendrix that is.

I agree with Klaas and I agree with DD regarding ... in the process of elimination ... all those with a connection to Lindsey should be considered persons of interest.  However ...  considering the witness sightings at 5th and Maple at 9:30 PM ... sooo close to home and ... the questions should be asked:

1.  Did Lindsey make it to her destination?
2.  Has her mother and brother been considered persons of interest by LE.
3.  Was a warrant issued that allowed LE to search the Baum residence and property?
4.  Why is Lindsey's room ... three months later ... still taped?

Janet

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klaasend
Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #1466 on: September 26, 2009, 06:52:00 PM »

... How can you believe any of them?  As far as I'm concerned until we know otherwise, everyone in McCleary is still a suspect.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.msg959361#msg959361

[Tracygirl]

Kona should have simply been asked to give her name to LE, J is not LE and she didn't need to give it to her.

The flyers should have been on every table in town, every light post, every door...no reason there was none to be seen. Shameful.

I received some information that I can't varify so maybe you all can help. Is it true that a certain person with the initial J daughter inlaw is related to Kara's ex boyfriend? Is this common knowledge?

yes that is true, j herself said that on websleuths, i will go try to find a link

Is this fact or rumor, The ex is that one guy on the myspace pages? I can't recall his name, I know we asked about him because he was listed as friends with some of the kids, Kara said it was the kids uncle or something. 

[sunshine12]

http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4094886&postcount=163

from jennifer o:

Just wanted to say one thing about the LEs and lack of suspects.

we are dealing with small town America here. Everyone knows everyone (or possibly related in some way) so LEs could be keeping tight lips.

I found out just how small this world actually is today when my son and daughter in law came to help search.

KK and my daughter in law knew each other. KK dated my DILs uncle for many years and KK helped take care of my DILs great grandmother when she was ill. (he was investigated via us and SM a long time ago because he was/is on KKs myspace page- I had no idea it was my DILs uncle as I've never met him. I knew the name was the same but I thought maybe it was just a weird coincidence)

Anyway that kind of put it into perspective today just how small this world is. I can understand why the LEs are being quiet if they have someone in mind or are watching several "someones".

[Tracygirl]

Janet I am sort of feeling like the people close to this case all need to just take poly's and see what happens. Start lining them up, hooking them up and get going!

[AZSunny]

tamiko's mom-

i agree with your viewpoint regarding the search.  i honestly think that when kona wouldn't give her real name to the person in charge of registering people for the searches it may have put up a red flag for that person.  i can kind of understand why because many times perps will insert themselves in investigations (I am NOT saying i think kona or her family has anything to do with this, im simply saying why it might raise a red flag)...

im sure the person who was trying to get kona to give her real name spoke with people about how she thought it was weird that this person didnt give her name, and i wouldn't be suprised if that's what started this. surely locals knew who this person was and then im sure they all started digging deeper into the family...

maybe thats how this whole thing w/kona started?
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From what I have read the person that was trying to get Kona to give her real name was Jennifer.....So, following your thought pattern, do you believe that Jennifer was the one that started this with LE regarding Kona?   I believe she is the same one posting on DD's web site. 

[Tracygirl]

http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4094886&postcount=163

from jennifer o:

Just wanted to say one thing about the LEs and lack of suspects.

we are dealing with small town America here. Everyone knows everyone (or possibly related in some way) so LEs could be keeping tight lips.

I found out just how small this world actually is today when my son and daughter in law came to help search.

KK and my daughter in law knew each other. KK dated my DILs uncle for many years and KK helped take care of my DILs great grandmother when she was ill. (he was investigated via us and SM a long time ago because he was/is on KKs myspace page- I had no idea it was my DILs uncle as I've never met him. I knew the name was the same but I thought maybe it was just a weird coincidence)

Anyway that kind of put it into perspective today just how small this world is. I can understand why the LEs are being quiet if they have someone in mind or are watching several "someones".

Wow that is a small world isn't it? Funny how this man is in the same general area as she is in, her dil is, kara is and never had their paths crossed. Even Kara taking care of the DIL's grandmother....So does this DIL and son know Kara? Why would Kara say it was an uncle if it was an ex..I do recall that correctly right? She stated he was like an uncle or an uncle....

[Tracygirl]

Jennifer should have just referred Kona to a LE officer, they are there aren't they? Supposed to be. Ron and Don said they are not there, not watching over the searches so I don't know.

[AZSunny]

http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4094886&postcount=163

from jennifer o:

Just wanted to say one thing about the LEs and lack of suspects.

we are dealing with small town America here. Everyone knows everyone (or possibly related in some way) so LEs could be keeping tight lips.

I found out just how small this world actually is today when my son and daughter in law came to help search.

KK and my daughter in law knew each other. KK dated my DILs uncle for many years and KK helped take care of my DILs great grandmother when she was ill. (he was investigated via us and SM a long time ago because he was/is on KKs myspace page- I had no idea it was my DILs uncle as I've never met him. I knew the name was the same but I thought maybe it was just a weird coincidence)

Anyway that kind of put it into perspective today just how small this world is. I can understand why the LEs are being quiet if they have someone in mind or are watching several "someones".

Wow that is a small world isn't it? Funny how this man is in the same general area as she is in, her dil is, kara is and never had their paths crossed. Even Kara taking care of the DIL's grandmother....So does this DIL and son know Kara? Why would Kara say it was an uncle if it was an ex..I do recall that correctly right? She stated he was like an uncle or an uncle....

[Tracygirl]

lol I saw that after I posted, lol!  Thanks I need more coffee!

[Tamikosmom]

lol I saw that after I posted, lol!  Thanks I need more coffee!

I want just one cuppa Tim Hortons coffee.

I need the buzz.

 

I quit coffee a while back and the morning cobwebs do not clear until afternoon.  Green tea does not cut it.

Janet

[Leroy]

if you guys havent read this yet, i highly recommend reading it, it's a very interesting theory from dd's website and i think it's something we all should think about... it's about the possibility of lindsey being hurt in the woods..let me know what you all think, i personally think it makes a ton of sense

http://truecrime.forums-free.com/was-lindsey-hurt-out-in-the-woods-t1320.html

thanks sunshine.  Lindsey's curfew wasnt until 10pm...it is very possible that she decided to go with people she knew into the woods knowing she still had a half an hour to be home (if you consider the sighting at 5th and Maple at 9:30).  Or perhaps the plan wasn't to go to the woods but elsewhere...

As a kid, I never went home before my curfew...i always found something to do up until I had to be home.

[Madre]

Janet I am sort of feeling like the people close to this case all need to just take poly's and see what happens. Start lining them up, hooking them up and get going!

Tracygirl,  Don of the Ron and Don radio show appears to have been "distraught" after he went to McCleary for the search.  He said  on his radio show that he called the FBI afterwards and said more people need  to be interrogated and have lie detectors.  I suggest you read the transcript of his show posted  earlier here.  I think the thread before this one.  I've got to go, BBL, but if you haven't found it when I get back, I'll find it for you.  Anyway, I felt that he had the same concerns you have.

[Sister]

If my memory serves me, MelissaB did take a poly (as did KK's boyfriend).  According to reports, she passed the poly.  In order to do a good poly, a discussion happends before the poly and some questions are answered before the poly begins, in order to give the basis of reading truth.  The examiner talks to the one being examined before the test is administered and shares in a general way what kind of questions are going to be asked.  The one being examined has already provided the examiner with some info such as name, address, age, where they work, are they married, do they have children, the name of the children, etc etc etc  I would think other questions might be:  is your name MelissB, do you live at _____, are you ___ of age, do you know where your daughter is, do you have any children, do your work at _____,   do you know who took your daughter?  (remembering, these are all yes or no questions).  Consequently, if MB thought her son had anything to do with Lindsey's disappearance, she would probably be asked via do you know who took your daughter and even if not asked directly about Josh, the answer to other questions would indicate deceptiveness.
Having said all of that, I have no reliable source, and others may, that anyone passed the polys nor do I know how many polys have been given and to whom.  Unlike executed search warrants, to my knowledge, who a poly is given to does not fall under right of public knowledge.  Such information would be given to a defense lawyer at the appropriate time under discovery.
Once the person who has been given a poly speaks of it in public, then LE could say if what said person said is true or not, meaning MB said she passed.  To my knowledge, we have never heard LE or anyone say her statement about passing the poly was untrue (same thing with KK's boyfriend). 
Now when JessStar comes on -- maybe she can enlighten us further and/or correct any mistakes I've written.  I have witnessed numerous polys being administered and I have not been a practicing paralegal in years so my memory ain't what it used to be.