Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 - 10/4/09

[Madre]

Does any monkeys see a "bombshell" here... a la "OMG,OMG,OMG"?

Do you Madre?

You first! 

[Tamikosmom]

AZ thank you for correcting any mis-statments I may write. I really do appreciate it. It is difficult to keep everything straight.

I only write what I remember reading, I could be wrong as well.  I just don't want to let our mistakes go forward.  I really wasn't correcting you, just stating what I remembered.  Sorry if it sounded that way.

Oh I was being thankful! I appreciate it a lot, really.

Tracy, the article is above that talks about this.

here it is...

I found the article.  It was from the daily world.com    this is the part that pertains to the mayor and neighbor.

McCleary Mayor Wallace Bentley remembers the night Lindsey disappeared like it was yesterday. The little girl’s route home would have taken her right past his house. In fact, a confirmed sighting of Lindsey has her disappearing right outside his home on Maple Street, within view of his windows.

 “I’ve been bending my brain around what happened ever since,” Bentley said. “I returned home from a retirement party for a city employee. I was there. I know I saw kids on the street. But did I see her? I don’t know. I wish I could say I did, but I just don’t know.”
 Across the street, William Self, 79, says he was home, too. But he didn’t see anything either. He says an FBI agent looked through his home and in his backyard for Lindsey, like they did for practically every neighbor up and down the six or seven blocks it would have taken Lindsey to go from her friend’s house back home. “Kids used to ride their bikes up and down this street all the time,” Self said. “But not so much anymore.”

Bolded by me...

Karma when I read this I get he returned home, saw kids but does not recall if she was out there or not. It doesn't say a time, but that is my impression. Seems like the reporters need to include a few more details in their writing!

What time did he return home and were there any other children outside? But you know not to be controversal...she did disappear right in front of his house, he was apparently home, she just went poof! anyone think of checking out the mayor? 

Tracygirl

There were several houses that Lindsey walked passed on her way home on the evening that she went "poof" ... not just this one.  Also ... the witness sightings were at 5th and Maple.  She had already pasted 7th and Maple.

Janet

I am conflicted on the dog report and the witness report. I suppose both could be correct and she turned around and went up 6th.

Tracy

I cannot comprehend why Lindsey would turn back when it is after 9:30 PM and ... dark is fast approaching.

Harry Oakes' email response to me did not mention a 6th Street search although I referenced it.  However ... his words revealed the Beck Street search which I had not been aware of.

Also ... LE states that there is a confirmed sighting by the witness at 5th and Maple while ... KaraK concedes she is not sure in regards to a search taking place on 6th Street.

Janet

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Kara K
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1161 on: July 05, 2009, 06:45:55 PM »

If someone is interested in giving it a shot they could try calling Harry Oakes and see if he can tell you specifically if he tracked the scent straight down Maple or up 6th - I don't know the exact details of his search but that way you would have the information directly without it coming through me... Just a thought. I imagine you could tell him you are trying to put together maps and such. Not sure if he'd share the info or not...

International K-9 Search & Rescue Services
c/o Harry E. Oakes, Jr.
P.O. Box #1472
Longview, Washington 98632 USA

Oregon phone: 503-705-0258
Outside Oregon phone and fax: 360-414-8093

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg865325;topicseen#msg865325

[Jademoff]

IF IT WERE child porn there would have been an arrest!!!!

Yes, think so too.

Yeah, being in the posessesion of child pornography is a felony.

[doubledecker]

Does any monkeys see a "bombshell" here... a la "OMG,OMG,OMG"?

absolutely NOT... it's ridiculous and tomorrow I will explain more about how ridiculous this all is.  its crazy.  Someone told LE a bunch of crap.  They also released the car already... and also the dogs did not hit on anything. 

this kid worked 2 jobs... his car is so low he has to go over speed bumps sideways, how is he suppose to take her out somewhere in that?  and there is more to it that gets absolutely hilarious if you even try to imagine him getting her in that car, do you think he really put her through the sunroof...these idiots.  this is the craziest crap I have ever seen. 

[doubledecker]

IF IT WERE child porn there would have been an arrest!!!!

Yes, think so too.

Yeah, being in the posessesion of child pornography is a felony.

who was in possession of child porno? 

[Tracygirl]

Janet isn't there a dog report that states the scent goes up 6th? She could have turned around if she was running from someone, (a flight response), maybe there was someone calling her, maybe she saw a puppy, maybe she dropped something and turned to get it. I do not believe that since the witness saw her there on 5th and Maple, it means she stayed in that route. She could have changed.

I am curious to know if any other children were still out, are you? I find that detail interesting.

[Jademoff]

AZ Sunny, I too am so sorry for your loss!

Here is the thing that I cannot get my brain around. So, for the sake of argument, let us just say that Kona's son took Lindsey. MB stated that Linsey would not go anywhere with someone that she did not know. So........following that logic, how would DG get her into his car? If he came out of work at the Beehive, at the exact time that Lindsey was walking home, how did he get to her? Ok, let's just say for the sake of arguement that Lindsey was talking to him online. Would she really get into a car with a 23 year old. Really? She was 10! She and her friends appeared much more grown up than my 11 year old daughter, but NOT THIS GROWN UP! Also, he is 23. Is it possible that a 23 year old is smart enough to commit a crime like this and get away with it for 3 months? I am more apt to think of this as a set up. I could be WAY OFF BASE of course. It just seems to me that whoever took Lindsey is pretty saavy. They have eluded LE for 3 months. Maybe for fun and entertainment they decided to send LE on a wild goose chase. What better subject to pursue than this kid. He just so happens to drive a white car. He just so happens to work at the Beehive. If it is true, he has already been caught with child porn at school. Although, I would like to hear more proof of that. Wouldn't he have a juvie record or something? I thought things like that were taken VERY SERIOUSLY! He and his family are not well liked around town. They live on a property that is unkept and suspicious looking. Could there be an evil genius lurking in McCleary? I just don't know anymore!

Where is the information that he got caught with child porn? Just curious because he's not that type of person.

[Madre]

AZ Sunny, I too am so sorry for your loss!

Here is the thing that I cannot get my brain around. So, for the sake of argument, let us just say that Kona's son took Lindsey. MB stated that Linsey would not go anywhere with someone that she did not know. So........following that logic, how would DG get her into his car? If he came out of work at the Beehive, at the exact time that Lindsey was walking home, how did he get to her? Ok, let's just say for the sake of arguement that Lindsey was talking to him online. Would she really get into a car with a 23 year old. Really? She was 10! She and her friends appeared much more grown up than my 11 year old daughter, but NOT THIS GROWN UP! Also, he is 23. Is it possible that a 23 year old is smart enough to commit a crime like this and get away with it for 3 months? I am more apt to think of this as a set up. I could be WAY OFF BASE of course. It just seems to me that whoever took Lindsey is pretty saavy. They have eluded LE for 3 months. Maybe for fun and entertainment they decided to send LE on a wild goose chase. What better subject to pursue than this kid. He just so happens to drive a white car. He just so happens to work at the Beehive. If it is true, he has already been caught with child porn at school. Although, I would like to hear more proof of that. Wouldn't he have a juvie record or something? I thought things like that were taken VERY SERIOUSLY! He and his family are not well liked around town. They live on a property that is unkept and suspicious looking. Could there be an evil genius lurking in McCleary? I just don't know anymore!

Where is the information that he got caught with child porn? Just curious because he's not that type of person.

A poster that is a local there said that her son or one of his friends thought he was caught at school with porn.  I'm not sure they said it was child porn.  Maybe someone else remembers.  This was after she had to go to town and heard some men outside a bar, agitated, and one said he was going to take this kid out to the woods and.............

[Jademoff]

 

Is it okay for me to feel like this? DG in the possession of Child Pornography? I'm not mad because I believe it, I'm mad because I believe someone out there is spreading rumors and getting people worked up over their lies. I'm so sorry to all those who are here who have had to witness people saying things like someone is in the possession of child porn. If LE or someone involved in the investigation part didn't say stuff like this, I personally don't believe it.

[Madre]

Is it okay for me to feel like this? DG in the possession of Child Pornography? I'm not mad because I believe it, I'm mad because I believe someone out there is spreading rumors and getting people worked up over their lies. I'm so sorry to all those who are here who have had to witness people saying things like someone is in the possession of child porn. If LE or someone involved in the investigation part didn't say stuff like this, I personally don't believe it.

Jademoff, the monkey that is a local did investigate further and later posted an apology for bringing rumors to the board. 

[AZSunny]

Is it okay for me to feel like this? DG in the possession of Child Pornography? I'm not mad because I believe it, I'm mad because I believe someone out there is spreading rumors and getting people worked up over their lies. I'm so sorry to all those who are here who have had to witness people saying things like someone is in the possession of child porn. If LE or someone involved in the investigation part didn't say stuff like this, I personally don't believe it.

I agree, and if we take one statement as fact, and keep repeating it, then we are the rumor makers.  shame on us.

[Tamikosmom]

Tracygirl

Maybe DD has a Harry Oakes report implying a scent indicated that Lindsey turned around after she reached 5th and Maple and ... backtracked to 6th Street.  I have not see one.  The LE canine search did not reveal Lindsey's scent.

The following are a compilation of KaraK posts regarding 6th Street in the sequence they were submitted.  The last post on the topic implies that Kara was conflicted whether Harry Oakes track Lindsey down 6th Street.

I hate conflicting stories.

Nevertheless ... Harry Oakes' email response to me did not mention a 6th Street search although I referenced it.  However ... his words revealed the Beck Street search which I had not been aware of.

Janet

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KARA KAMPEN:  THE DOGS - THE SIXTH STREET ROUTE?

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #350 on: July 01, 2009, 05:25:22 PM »

For some of the other posters regarding the camera's and Lindsey's route: From a possible witness on the night that Lindsey disappeared she did not take her regular route home. If that is true she would not have had to come through an area where she would have been picked up on those camera's. Instead she would have been headed up 6th street hill into a strictly residential area where there are no businesses which would be consistent with the original trail said to have been picked up by the dogs.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg860401#msg860401
 

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #992 on: July 04, 2009, 09:13:38 PM »

When Lindsey left my house she headed down maple street - my daughter watched her until the neighbors trees got in the way that would have been before she hit the corner of 7th and Maple. Either route she took either straight home or up 6th she would have had to walk down Maple street a ways.

Originally I was told that they picked up Lindsey's scent on the corner of 6th and Maple (near Beehive retirement center) and it went up 6th street (so to me that is a right onto 6th street) I was even told another location nearer to her house where they picked up her scent as well. They are no longer saying this and are now saying the dogs never picked up a scent (that's impossible isn't it????) So I am confused and not sure now what the real story is.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864342#msg864342


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1012 on: July 04, 2009, 10:27:20 PM »

I do want to let you know I just had a visitor that Lindsey's family hired - an independent tracker renowned for helping where others have failed http://www.k9sardog.com/harryoakes.html and he says he picked up a scent nearly the same as I was told before. He cut his usual fee and is currently trying to track using his trained dogs. Pray he finds something that the others have missed!!!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864394#msg864394


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1152 on: July 05, 2009, 06:12:45 PM »

Absolutely - don't worry about me just do what you guys have to do. - I stand by what I was told early on about where Lindsey's scent was picked up but I will have to confirm direction with Mr. Oakes if I get to see him again as far as the most recent trail that was picked up. He never actually mentioned a scent on Pine or anything like that simply 6th and then he too mentioned and searched the same area past her house that was picked up by the original dogs. If I can talk to him I will try to confirm exactly where the scent led and if it seemed to be a solid trail.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg865282#msg865282


Kara K
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1161 on: July 05, 2009, 06:45:55 PM »

If someone is interested in giving it a shot they could try calling Harry Oakes and see if he can tell you specifically if he tracked the scent straight down Maple or up 6th - I don't know the exact details of his search but that way you would have the information directly without it coming through me... Just a thought. I imagine you could tell him you are trying to put together maps and such. Not sure if he'd share the info or not...

International K-9 Search & Rescue Services
c/o Harry E. Oakes, Jr.
P.O. Box #1472
Longview, Washington 98632 USA

Oregon phone: 503-705-0258
Outside Oregon phone and fax: 360-414-8093

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg865325;topicseen#msg865325


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KOMO NEWS - JUNE 28, 2009

A wide-ranging search was launched early Saturday in the town and the surrounding forests. The town was criss-crossed three times, but not a trace of Lindsey has been found. Even bloodhounds failed to pick up her scent


THE DAILY WORLD - JULY 2, 2009

Scott said bloodhounds traced the route Lindsey took early on from the friend’s house to her own home, but didn’t find any scent. And in places where Lindsey once played — parks and by the creek — Lindsey’s scent has been vanishing.

The loss of scent could be a combination of factors — the heat on the sidewalk could have dissipated it for instance, he said.

http://**/articles/2009/07/02/local_news/doc4a4cf43c1b1dd881132403.txt

[doubledecker]

AZ Sunny, I too am so sorry for your loss!

Here is the thing that I cannot get my brain around. So, for the sake of argument, let us just say that Kona's son took Lindsey. MB stated that Linsey would not go anywhere with someone that she did not know. So........following that logic, how would DG get her into his car? If he came out of work at the Beehive, at the exact time that Lindsey was walking home, how did he get to her? Ok, let's just say for the sake of arguement that Lindsey was talking to him online. Would she really get into a car with a 23 year old. Really? She was 10! She and her friends appeared much more grown up than my 11 year old daughter, but NOT THIS GROWN UP! Also, he is 23. Is it possible that a 23 year old is smart enough to commit a crime like this and get away with it for 3 months? I am more apt to think of this as a set up. I could be WAY OFF BASE of course. It just seems to me that whoever took Lindsey is pretty saavy. They have eluded LE for 3 months. Maybe for fun and entertainment they decided to send LE on a wild goose chase. What better subject to pursue than this kid. He just so happens to drive a white car. He just so happens to work at the Beehive. If it is true, he has already been caught with child porn at school. Although, I would like to hear more proof of that. Wouldn't he have a juvie record or something? I thought things like that were taken VERY SERIOUSLY! He and his family are not well liked around town. They live on a property that is unkept and suspicious looking. Could there be an evil genius lurking in McCleary? I just don't know anymore!

Where is the information that he got caught with child porn? Just curious because he's not that type of person.

I will guarantee 1000000000000000% this person had no child porn at school.  He had no child porn anywhere.  That was someone different, is not him, and the whole situation was not about child porn anyway... it was some kids goofing off and one asked to see the others #$%#$ and so this person took a pic of it and showed it to them.  it was just kid nonsense...AND IT WAS NOT THIS PERSON TO BEGIN WITH... people have all this crap so turned around and mixed up and totally exaggerated...

I know all the whole background on this person and believe me, there is nothing there that is going to make anyone think he is any different than a ton of other kids.  And after getting older he was working two jobs, which because of all this bs he lost.  and no he did not grab lindsey and make her get into a car.  He would have had to put her through the sunroof or crawl over her to get to his own side to drive because his door didn't even open.  He crawls in and out the sunroof to get in because the dang gear shift is too much in the way to get out the other door, so you going to jump out the sunroof, grab her, then tell her to crawl through the sunroof or shove her in the other door and try to get over a fighting lindsy and the gear shift so you can drive... or better yet, maybe he took his .22 rifle with him and was crawling through the sunroof and waving the gun around while trying to shove a fighting lindsey in his car... where at???? all out on the middle of maple street?
and then what take of in a low car like a bat out of hell, that is so low you can barely make it over speed bumps... yet he is able to drive her out on a dirt road somewhere? 

someone has been making up a bunch of crap... and by the way, his last gf and the one he has now are both 23 yrs old... he's not running around looking for young girls. he also has at least 8 witnesses who know exactly where he was that night. his car was also out of gas.  so what now, he pushed his car over to maple to grab her?  or he ran out of gas while grabbing her? 

hahaha, this is the craziest bunch of crap I ever heard of.

someone has not done their homework and the whole child porn thing is all bs, and it was not even him to begin with. 

[Wyks]

all i can say is that if you have a marital 'aid' you should get rid of it.

          

[doubledecker]

AZ Sunny, I too am so sorry for your loss!

Here is the thing that I cannot get my brain around. So, for the sake of argument, let us just say that Kona's son took Lindsey. MB stated that Linsey would not go anywhere with someone that she did not know. So........following that logic, how would DG get her into his car? If he came out of work at the Beehive, at the exact time that Lindsey was walking home, how did he get to her? Ok, let's just say for the sake of arguement that Lindsey was talking to him online. Would she really get into a car with a 23 year old. Really? She was 10! She and her friends appeared much more grown up than my 11 year old daughter, but NOT THIS GROWN UP! Also, he is 23. Is it possible that a 23 year old is smart enough to commit a crime like this and get away with it for 3 months? I am more apt to think of this as a set up. I could be WAY OFF BASE of course. It just seems to me that whoever took Lindsey is pretty saavy. They have eluded LE for 3 months. Maybe for fun and entertainment they decided to send LE on a wild goose chase. What better subject to pursue than this kid. He just so happens to drive a white car. He just so happens to work at the Beehive. If it is true, he has already been caught with child porn at school. Although, I would like to hear more proof of that. Wouldn't he have a juvie record or something? I thought things like that were taken VERY SERIOUSLY! He and his family are not well liked around town. They live on a property that is unkept and suspicious looking. Could there be an evil genius lurking in McCleary? I just don't know anymore!

Where is the information that he got caught with child porn? Just curious because he's not that type of person.

A poster that is a local there said that her son or one of his friends thought he was caught at school with porn.  I'm not sure they said it was child porn.  Maybe someone else remembers.  This was after she had to go to town and heard some men outside a bar, agitated, and one said he was going to take this kid out to the woods and.............

the person walking by the bar was madibabe, she admitted it was all rumor, then said it was all bs, and apologized to kona and then madibabe went back to the people spreading the rumors around town and told them it was all bs. 

she posted on my board saying she was so sorry she brought rumors to the net.  see how this  crap gets started.  ugh. 

[Jademoff]

Is it okay for me to feel like this? DG in the possession of Child Pornography? I'm not mad because I believe it, I'm mad because I believe someone out there is spreading rumors and getting people worked up over their lies. I'm so sorry to all those who are here who have had to witness people saying things like someone is in the possession of child porn. If LE or someone involved in the investigation part didn't say stuff like this, I personally don't believe it.

Jademoff, the monkey that is a local did investigate further and later posted an apology for bringing rumors to the board. 

I do not mean any hardships to anyone who is here, I hope everyone understands that. And that was truely the first thing I've read that REALLY made my blood boil to the point my face turned red and steam rose up from it. DG isn't the type of person to be in posession of anything like that.

Changing the topic back to Lindsey. So Lindsey did have a floral bathing suit? Is it possible that she just put the suit back on after she got ready before heading to the Kampen residence? At that late, probably not with the intent of swimming. ALSO..... the movies the girls rented from the video store, when were they supposed to watch those and at who's house?

[Madre]

DD, if I read correctly, you learned the family contacted LE and asked if they wanted them to come in as well as search their property.  But they never heard back from them until the search warrants were executed.  Do  you have any idea why that was?
TIA

[Tracygirl]

Janet sometimes I sway away from written quotes and witness accounts only because I feel it is not as reliable as you do. all is good, we are thinking in two different ways.

DD thank you for explaining about the car. If this is the white car, then I agree it is a bit out of reach.

Good luck trying to figure out the rumor mill, sheesh that is a job! Get rested, you are going to need it! Thanks for all of your work

[doubledecker]

DD, if I read correctly, you learned the family contacted LE and asked if they wanted them to come in as well as search their property.  But they never heard back from them until the search warrants were executed.  Do  you have any idea why that was?
TIA

I have some ideas yes.. like I have been saying someone is trying to set this kid up and someone was dang mad at his mother.  It's called bs because people get mad, and like I said, I will defend them to the end. 

now we need to go concentrate on where lindsey really is.  which I did a lot of work on that too, but still need to really tear this case apart, because there just is something we all are missing.

[Madre]

DD, if I read correctly, you learned the family contacted LE and asked if they wanted them to come in as well as search their property.  But they never heard back from them until the search warrants were executed.  Do  you have any idea why that was?
TIA

Oops! Sorry, DD, I realize you will go more into that info at a later time.  Just Ignore!