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Author Topic: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 - 10/4/09  (Read 277669 times)
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« Reply #760 on: October 01, 2009, 12:39:43 AM »

As far as the confusion as to where Lindsey was seen last, for what it's worth, I do remember Don of the Ron and Don radio show saying someone told him (at the search) that she was last seen right around the telephone pole.  Maybe a local here can figure out exactly where that is at.
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« Reply #761 on: October 01, 2009, 12:50:54 AM »

Janet sometimes I sway away from written quotes and witness accounts only because I feel it is not as reliable as you do. all is good, we are thinking in two different ways.

DD thank you for explaining about the car. If this is the white car, then I agree it is a bit out of reach.

Good luck trying to figure out the rumor mill, sheesh that is a job! Get rested, you are going to need it! Thanks for all of your work

there is a lot more that makes the white car theory totally out the window, will explain that tomorrow.. I am just so tired now.  # one two girls who saw a white car described it and pointed out on the net what it looked like, nothing like his.  and besides they know who he is so if it were him they would have known it was him... so the white car is totally off, it is not the same at all.
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« Reply #762 on: October 01, 2009, 01:13:50 AM »

Janet isn't there a dog report that states the scent goes up 6th? She could have turned around if she was running from someone, (a flight response), maybe there was someone calling her, maybe she saw a puppy, maybe she dropped something and turned to get it. I do not believe that since the witness saw her there on 5th and Maple, it means she stayed in that route. She could have changed.

I am curious to know if any other children were still out, are you? I find that detail interesting.

Unless DD or another Monkey has access to a 6th Street report ... I am unaware of one that exists.

Until backup in regards to the existence of a 6th Street canine report emerges ... my position remains firm.  I speculate that something happened to Lindsey Baum between the confirmed witness sighting at 5th on Maple (possible the Shell station) and her home or ... something happened to Lindsey once she reached her home.

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« Reply #763 on: October 01, 2009, 01:18:32 AM »

Tracygirl

Maybe DD has a Harry Oakes report implying a scent indicated that Lindsey turned around after she reached 5th and Maple and ... backtracked to 6th Street.  I have not see one.  The LE canine search did not reveal Lindsey's scent.

The following are a compilation of KaraK posts regarding 6th Street in the sequence they were submitted.  The last post on the topic implies that Kara was conflicted whether Harry Oakes track Lindsey down 6th Street.

I hate conflicting stories.

Nevertheless ... Harry Oakes' email response to me did not mention a 6th Street search although I referenced it.  However ... his words revealed the Beck Street search which I had not been aware of.

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Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #350 on: July 01, 2009, 05:25:22 PM »


For some of the other posters regarding the camera's and Lindsey's route: From a possible witness on the night that Lindsey disappeared she did not take her regular route home. If that is true she would not have had to come through an area where she would have been picked up on those camera's. Instead she would have been headed up 6th street hill into a strictly residential area where there are no businesses which would be consistent with the original trail said to have been picked up by the dogs.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg860401#msg860401
 

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Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #992 on: July 04, 2009, 09:13:38 PM »


When Lindsey left my house she headed down maple street - my daughter watched her until the neighbors trees got in the way that would have been before she hit the corner of 7th and Maple. Either route she took either straight home or up 6th she would have had to walk down Maple street a ways.

Originally I was told that they picked up Lindsey's scent on the corner of 6th and Maple (near Beehive retirement center) and it went up 6th street (so to me that is a right onto 6th street) I was even told another location nearer to her house where they picked up her scent as well. They are no longer saying this and are now saying the dogs never picked up a scent (that's impossible isn't it????) So I am confused and not sure now what the real story is.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864342#msg864342


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Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1012 on: July 04, 2009, 10:27:20 PM »


I do want to let you know I just had a visitor that Lindsey's family hired - an independent tracker renowned for helping where others have failed http://www.k9sardog.com/harryoakes.html and he says he picked up a scent nearly the same as I was told before. He cut his usual fee and is currently trying to track using his trained dogs. Pray he finds something that the others have missed!!!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864394#msg864394


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Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1152 on: July 05, 2009, 06:12:45 PM »


Absolutely - don't worry about me just do what you guys have to do. - I stand by what I was told early on about where Lindsey's scent was picked up but I will have to confirm direction with Mr. Oakes if I get to see him again as far as the most recent trail that was picked up. He never actually mentioned a scent on Pine or anything like that simply 6th and then he too mentioned and searched the same area past her house that was picked up by the original dogs. If I can talk to him I will try to confirm exactly where the scent led and if it seemed to be a solid trail.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg865282#msg865282


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Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1161 on: July 05, 2009, 06:45:55 PM »


If someone is interested in giving it a shot they could try calling Harry Oakes and see if he can tell you specifically if he tracked the scent straight down Maple or up 6th - I don't know the exact details of his search but that way you would have the information directly without it coming through me... Just a thought. I imagine you could tell him you are trying to put together maps and such. Not sure if he'd share the info or not...

International K-9 Search & Rescue Services
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Longview, Washington 98632 USA

Oregon phone: 503-705-0258
Outside Oregon phone and fax: 360-414-8093

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg865325;topicseen#msg865325


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KOMO NEWS - JUNE 28, 2009

A wide-ranging search was launched early Saturday in the town and the surrounding forests. The town was criss-crossed three times, but not a trace of Lindsey has been found. Even bloodhounds failed to pick up her scent


THE DAILY WORLD - JULY 2, 2009

Scott said bloodhounds traced the route Lindsey took early on from the friend’s house to her own home, but didn’t find any scent. And in places where Lindsey once played — parks and by the creek — Lindsey’s scent has been vanishing.

The loss of scent could be a combination of factors — the heat on the sidewalk could have dissipated it for instance, he said.

http://**/articles/2009/07/02/local_news/doc4a4cf43c1b1dd881132403.txt


Hi Tamikosmom,  Doesn't MM's BDF live or have his primary residence on Beck St?  I remember way back when he was discussed here on the board. 
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« Reply #764 on: October 01, 2009, 01:30:06 AM »

Janet as I said, it is all good. We are different in how we theorize...

So how was the liver lunch! I actually don't mind the taste of it, it is the function of the liver that gets me, lol.

DD I agree, much has been left open and needs to be looked at. Yesterday we all talked about the time line and how it was a bit tight. We found a quote from the mayor that spoke about kids playing outside but no time is listed. MM stated who the last known witness
is, the same person that broke up the fight. We asked about the swim party that day, are these the same girls that had the slumber party and the same girls that was with Lindsey and Kayla at the video store? There of course are the dog trails and what that all means. I think we touched on somethings but left stuff open as well. Yes, digging is required I think.

Goodnite fellow monkeys, may tomorrow bring Lindsey home.
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« Reply #765 on: October 01, 2009, 01:35:42 AM »



Is it okay for me to feel like this? DG in the possession of Child Pornography? I'm not mad because I believe it, I'm mad because I believe someone out there is spreading rumors and getting people worked up over their lies. I'm so sorry to all those who are here who have had to witness people saying things like someone is in the possession of child porn. If LE or someone involved in the investigation part didn't say stuff like this, I personally don't believe it.

I agree, and if we take one statement as fact, and keep repeating it, then we are the rumor makers.  shame on us.

Hi AZSunny,
If you are referring to me, I did not take anything as fact and I thought my post made that clear.
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« Reply #766 on: October 01, 2009, 01:55:49 AM »



Is it okay for me to feel like this? DG in the possession of Child Pornography? I'm not mad because I believe it, I'm mad because I believe someone out there is spreading rumors and getting people worked up over their lies. I'm so sorry to all those who are here who have had to witness people saying things like someone is in the possession of child porn. If LE or someone involved in the investigation part didn't say stuff like this, I personally don't believe it.

I agree, and if we take one statement as fact, and keep repeating it, then we are the rumor makers.  shame on us.

Hi AZSunny,
If you are referring to me, I did not take anything as fact and I thought my post made that clear.

Hi Sebastian, it was actually me who was upset. I am not upset with you! I promise I'm not upset with you. Just upset that a rumor like this in general was started.
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« Reply #767 on: October 01, 2009, 01:58:20 AM »



Is it okay for me to feel like this? DG in the possession of Child Pornography? I'm not mad because I believe it, I'm mad because I believe someone out there is spreading rumors and getting people worked up over their lies. I'm so sorry to all those who are here who have had to witness people saying things like someone is in the possession of child porn. If LE or someone involved in the investigation part didn't say stuff like this, I personally don't believe it.

I agree, and if we take one statement as fact, and keep repeating it, then we are the rumor makers.  shame on us.

Hi AZSunny,
If you are referring to me, I did not take anything as fact and I thought my post made that clear.

Hi Sebastian, it was actually me who was upset. I am not upset with you! I promise I'm not upset with you. Just upset that a rumor like this in general was started.

Thanks Jademoff!
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« Reply #768 on: October 01, 2009, 02:08:34 AM »

Janet as I said, it is all good. We are different in how we theorize...

So how was the liver lunch! I actually don't mind the taste of it, it is the function of the liver that gets me, lol.

DD I agree, much has been left open and needs to be looked at. Yesterday we all talked about the time line and how it was a bit tight. We found a quote from the mayor that spoke about kids playing outside but no time is listed. MM stated who the last known witness
is, the same person that broke up the fight. We asked about the swim party that day, are these the same girls that had the slumber party and the same girls that was with Lindsey and Kayla at the video store? There of course are the dog trails and what that all means. I think we touched on somethings but left stuff open as well. Yes, digging is required I think.

Goodnite fellow monkeys, may tomorrow bring Lindsey home.


Tracygirl

I was somewhat disappointed at first.  There was no liver on the lunch menu.  However ... my friend and I had another British dish that I was served often by my parents ... steak and kidney pie.  Then there were the veggies, scoop of mashed potatoes with gravey.  It was delicious.  The pastry was flakey and ... the steak was so tender.  Bread pudding with carmel sauce was where it was at for desert.

I do appreciate the presentation at this British Teahouse ... table cloth ... Old Country Rose china ... silverware ... cloth napkins ....

Thanks for asking.

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« Reply #769 on: October 01, 2009, 02:14:22 AM »


Hi Tamikosmom,  Doesn't MM's BDF live or have his primary residence on Beck St?  I remember way back when he was discussed here on the board. 
 
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According to Melissa McCann ... No.

I will bring the posts forward tomorrow ... the posts where Melissa M. clarifies the misunderstanding.  Right now ... I have to go.  My normally quiet gentle hubby just shouted from the bedroom ... "TURN OFF THAT COMPUTER ... DO YOU KNOW WHAT TIME IT IS!!"

 

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Hi Tamikosmom,  Doesn't MM's BDF live or have his primary residence on Beck St?  I remember way back when he was discussed here on the board. 
 

According to Melissa McCann ... No.

I will bring the posts forward tomorrow ... the posts where Melissa M. clarifies the misunderstanding.  Right now ... I have to go.  My normally quiet gentle hubby just shouted from the bedroom ... "TURN OFF THAT COMPUTER ... DO YOU KNOW WHAT TIME IT IS!!"

 

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« Reply #771 on: October 01, 2009, 05:38:13 AM »

Thanks Karma....it is very confusing!! Why didn't they just say "mr self, a resident of the BeeHive"....LOL   So does the Mayor live very close to the BeeHive?
Going by the map it looks like the Mayor lives directly across the street from the BeeHive.Mayor may live in a corner house,corner of Maple and 6th streets,north side.

Also,when the Mayor was quoted in the paper I got the impression(when he was talking about all of the kids out playing)that he saw the kids outside earlier when he got home from the employee party.I didn't get the impression he was talking about seeing the kids at 9-9:30 or so.


Mr. Self  does not live at the Beehive.  He has a home on the corner of 6th & Maple, as does Mr. Bentley.  They are across the street (Maple Street) from each other.  Both of their houses face 6th street, & Mr. Bentley's faces the Beehive. which is between 6th street & 7th street.  The Beehive takes up the whole block.
Thank you for the info HeidisMom.
So Mr Self's house is on the same side of street as the BeeHive correct?
Do you know if he has a relative(son?)named Ricky?
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« Reply #772 on: October 01, 2009, 08:52:32 AM »

Janet sometimes I sway away from written quotes and witness accounts only because I feel it is not as reliable as you do. all is good, we are thinking in two different ways.

DD thank you for explaining about the car. If this is the white car, then I agree it is a bit out of reach.

Good luck trying to figure out the rumor mill, sheesh that is a job! Get rested, you are going to need it! Thanks for all of your work

there is a lot more that makes the white car theory totally out the window, will explain that tomorrow.. I am just so tired now.  # one two girls who saw a white car described it and pointed out on the net what it looked like, nothing like his.  and besides they know who he is so if it were him they would have known it was him... so the white car is totally off, it is not the same at all.

Good Morning DD,  This part I bolded caught my eye.  Are these 2 girls Lindsey and her gf and they knew or knew who your friend's son is, or are they 2 different girls who were asked to ID his white car?  Thanks
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« Reply #773 on: October 01, 2009, 10:01:54 AM »

Ok so 2 things,,

first whomever just brought up my bf's residence,,,,, someone had gotten the streets mixed up as they sound similar but he lived on summit LAKE road in olympia, and the road in in mccleary that goes to beck is summit road

also, just want to make a point, and dont take this as any type of accusation as i like kona alot in the real world, she is a good customer,  and this actually reigns true for anyone,,,,, what is being posted by dd is coming from convos between them right,, so dd hasnt even met her, been a part of her life, and can only go off what kona tells her.  just like since i wasnt actually at mb's house when lj went missing, all i can do is repeat what i am told by her and yet half the time you guys dont believe it and rip her apart....   several of you say you arent going to believe anything but seems that you are all completely believing what dd is saying.   see where i am going with this?? again i dont think kona's involved, just a point to make!!!
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« Reply #774 on: October 01, 2009, 10:12:20 AM »

wow i just read on dd's site that this all came about b/c the police asked him which of his 2 jobs he was working on a certain night and he was pretty much sleeping when they called and asked him that and so he got confused.

this is ridiculous! i feel so bad that this family's good name was dragged through the mud.

once we find out who started all of these rumors and the drama about this family i think we need to dig a lot deeper into that person and his/her associates (why am i feeling like its gonna be a woman who started all this crap?)
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« Reply #775 on: October 01, 2009, 10:15:10 AM »

Ok so 2 things,,

first whomever just brought up my bf's residence,,,,, someone had gotten the streets mixed up as they sound similar but he lived on summit LAKE road in olympia, and the road in in mccleary that goes to beck is summit road

also, just want to make a point, and dont take this as any type of accusation as i like kona alot in the real world, she is a good customer,  and this actually reigns true for anyone,,,,, what is being posted by dd is coming from convos between them right,, so dd hasnt even met her, been a part of her life, and can only go off what kona tells her.  just like since i wasnt actually at mb's house when lj went missing, all i can do is repeat what i am told by her and yet half the time you guys dont believe it and rip her apart....   several of you say you arent going to believe anything but seems that you are all completely believing what dd is saying.   see where i am going with this?? again i dont think kona's involved, just a point to make!!!

melissa-i think you make a good point. i can only speak for myself but i know i am going to make a much more concious effort to be more careful that the things i say dont come across as me judging mb
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« Reply #776 on: October 01, 2009, 10:47:16 AM »

Does any monkeys see a "bombshell" here... a la "OMG,OMG,OMG"?

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Please share what you perceive as a possible "bombshell".  I feel I am watching Nancy Grace.  I am waiting for the "bombshell" but it is not emerging.

 

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« Reply #777 on: October 01, 2009, 10:50:50 AM »



Is it okay for me to feel like this? DG in the possession of Child Pornography? I'm not mad because I believe it, I'm mad because I believe someone out there is spreading rumors and getting people worked up over their lies. I'm so sorry to all those who are here who have had to witness people saying things like someone is in the possession of child porn. If LE or someone involved in the investigation part didn't say stuff like this, I personally don't believe it.

I agree, and if we take one statement as fact, and keep repeating it, then we are the rumor makers.  shame on us.

Hi AZSunny,
If you are referring to me, I did not take anything as fact and I thought my post made that clear.

It was not directed at anyone Sebastian.  It is a recurring theme that all of us do, usually not intentionally.
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« Reply #778 on: October 01, 2009, 10:52:23 AM »

janet-i think madre was joking around that there isn't any bombshell evidence, unless i'm missing something haha

i guess the most important stuff in there is that they were looking for the flowered print bathing suit. i'm still wondering about this.

do you guys think the flowered print bathing suit is a different bathing suit than the one she was wearing earlier in the day?  I know during the summers when i was little i used to rotate between 2-3 bathing suits.  maybe she was wearing it as underwear or something?
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« Reply #779 on: October 01, 2009, 11:08:49 AM »

janet-i think madre was joking around that there isn't any bombshell evidence, unless i'm missing something haha

i guess the most important stuff in there is that they were looking for the flowered print bathing suit. i'm still wondering about this.

do you guys think the flowered print bathing suit is a different bathing suit than the one she was wearing earlier in the day?  I know during the summers when i was little i used to rotate between 2-3 bathing suits.  maybe she was wearing it as underwear or something?

Hi Sunshine12,
I too was wondering if she was wearing the bathing suit as underclothes. You know how kids can be. That would explain why the bathing suit was not mentioned when she went missing. Only the perp and maybe MB would know what she had on under her clothes.
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