Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 - 10/4/09

[Tamikosmom]

Hi all,
KARMA: Thank you so much for explaining how to post other peoples posts without it all running together. Sometimes I am computer illiterate.

JANET: Did you see the link I found last night with a new Alice Walters that has popped up?

I am trying really hard to keep an open mind in all of this because I respect DD's research and I was one of those who had private messages ongoing with KM for a few weeks on another site. Having said this, there is a lot of damning information coming out about KM's son that is disturbing at best.

This is one of the inconsistencies that is bugging me however. IF DG was smart enough to somehow lure Lindsey off of the street in his loud car, and elude LE for 3 months, then he is not a stupid person by any stretch. Why then, would he be stupid enough to follow Lindsey's mother, having to know that this would cast suspicion on him?

I am one confused monkey!

sebastian

I have not focused in on the "Waters" issue yet.  Who is KM?

Thanks

Janet

Hi Janet,
KONAMOCHA

This 62 year old granny gets sooo confused with all these initials.

 

Janet

[AZSunny]

I am still wondering about AZSunnys question - if the test results aren't back, how can they clear him now?

I have heard no one state he is "CLEARED" just as I have never heard they stated ANYONE has been "CLEARED". 

I was using the term "Cleared" as he is no longer a POI which is what you stated. 

[doubledecker]

DD, is this you???

 
Warrants released in Baum case
BY JACOB JONES
The Daily World
Saturday, October 3, 2009 2:17 AM PDT
 
 
A newly released search warrant in the case for missing 11-year-old Lindsey Baum outlines suspicious activity and inconsistent statements that led investigators to a home outside McCleary last weekend.

The warrant includes statements from friends and family regarding a man at the residence in connection with strange phone activity, disturbing conversations involving Lindsey, conflicting alibis and a past accusation of sexual assault.

In the court filing, investigators say they believe Lindsey has been kidnapped, and after what they have refered to as a “credible” tip, believed they would find evidence of her kidnapping at the home.

The Grays Harbor Sheriff’s Office has since announced it could not find any evidence of wrongdoing. Some forensic samples taken at the home and a neighboring property on Sept. 25 along Foreman Road still await testing. Results could take months.

Lindsey went missing on June 26 while walking a short distance from her friend’s house in McCleary along a house-lined street at dusk. Despite two confirmed sightings of her within blocks of her house, she never made it home and investigators have not yet been able to explain her disappearance.

The search warrant, released Friday, lists dozens of items investigators were looking for as potential evidence, ranging from clothing matching Lindsey’s to weapons to cars on the property.

Attempts to contact the man and family members Friday via e-mail were not returned.

In news reports after the search warrants were executed, the owner of the property said he’s contacted a lawyer about suing the police and the media, saying they had no right to put the family through the search.
 

 


Much of the warrant lists suspicious reports focusing on a man at the home, who is not being named because he has not been arrested or charged with any crime.

Investigators say he fixated on Lindsey’s disappearance in the days after she went missing and made disturbing comments about believing the girl had been murdered when most authorities still thought her to be lost.

“(The man) told (a friend) he could not believe that a girl had been taken and cut up and dismembered,” the warrant stated. “It should be noted that the media and investigators did not believe that Baum was the victim of a crime until the week following her disappearance.”

A friend also reported the man became “agitated” when investigators questioned him about the case, the warrant stated. He “obsessed” about Lindsey and the possibility she had been kidnapped, the court papers said.

The warrant also lists the man as a suspect in an alleged attempted rape in 2000 when he was a teenager. The man allegedly allowed several children to watch pornography before barricading a 12-year-old girl in a room and trying to rape her. The girl’s friends reported the alleged assault, but the girl declined to make a statement to police at the time.

“She said that she cried and struggled and after about two hours he released her,” the alleged victim recently told investigators when interviewed because of the Baum case.

The warrant states police officers also stopped the man on July 31 when Lindsey’s mother reported his vehicle following her. The man said he thought the mother had been acting suspiciously.

A car similar to the man’s vehicle was reportedly seen shortly before Lindsey’s disappearance near the intersection on Maple Street where she was last spotted, according to the warrant. The man also worked part-time at a business nearby, one that Baum had been in often.

When contacted by investigators, the man reported he had been at a second job in Olympia on the night of the disappearance, according to the warrant. The man’s supervisor at that job told investigators the man was suspended during that time and could not have been working.

When confronted with the inconsistency, the man provided a second alibi that investigators could not verify.

The warrant also outlines suspicious phone activity that stops suddenly at about the time Lindsey disappeared.

“This is contrary to the pattern of cell phone usage shown in (the man’s) cell phone records,” the warrant stated. “He normally has frequent cell phone activity until at least midnight or 1 a.m. each day.”

A person identifying him or herself as a friend of the man’s family in an online forum said the family has always cooperated with investigators and has actively tried to help with the search for Lindsey.

“Someone has found someone to blame,” the poster wrote. “This is ridiculous.”

The poster said the family has been upset by the allegations and has had people trespassing on the property since the searches were launched.

“This is all utter nonsense,” the poster wrote.

Lindsey Baum is 4-foot-9 with brown eyes and brown hair. She was wearing a blue shirt and jeans when she disappeared.

 
http://**/articles/2009/10/03/local_news/doc4ac708ecc05e8423735653.txt

good lord... guess they are reading my board, however, I NEVER EVER EVER stated I was a FRIEND of kona's.  so you see again THEY LIE... the rest of it appears to be things I probably did post, not sure if word for word, unless I go check, but it certainly sounds like what I keep saying.  But as far as my EVER saying I was a FRIEND, that in itself is ridiculous, how can I be a friend of someone I have never met in my life and have only typed with on the net during this case.  The media lies.

[no rose colored glasses]

I am also confused/concerned as to why Dale would be following MB late at night?  She was concerned enough to call the police.  This is not a healthy activity-this sends up my hinky meter. 

I believe in the search warrant it says Dale told a coworker(at BeeHive?)that this person(Melissa)was checking out his car so he thought they were going to try and steal his car for parts.Dale supposedly said this other car(Melissa's)was the same as his....a Del Sol car or something like that.
Melissa's car is nothing like Dale's car.

Melissa's car is nothing like Dale's car at all. I've seen a picture of both, and I don't know much about cars, and even I can see that. Now with the topic of Melissa's car running or not. Perhaps it wasn't running the night Lindsey disappered, but months later she probably got it fixed. I'm not defending this Dale guy at all, but I will be honest when I say always in the back of my mind Lindsey's mother and her involvement has been there. I can't help my feelings when it comes to that, I pray she wasn't, but like everyone else I have no idea. That talk in the SW about what Dale did at 14 years old, is upsetting, very upsetting. I wonder if he tried anything like that with other girls? Again, with Melissa Baum, perhaps it is her way of dealing with things, it wouldn't be mine, but that doesn't matter. And if she had a lie detector test and LE seems ok with it, then I guess that is that for now 

[shortcake]

DD,  can you reveal where his second job was?  I believe you mentioned he no longer has either one.  Thanks.  shortcake

[MelissaMcCann]

mb's car was NOT workin that nite as i WATCHED her uncle fix it on SUNDAY after lindsey went missing. i will finish addressing this in a while as well as LJ's room and what nite MB was followed

[no rose colored glasses]

MM,
I saw that you were on today. Is MB positive that it was in fact DG that followed her? Does she remember the date? How long did he follow her? From what point to what point? Thank you!

I'm very curious about the date this happened 

[no rose colored glasses]

And I will add that I am on fence about everyone in McCleary.  I still cant figure out why KK hasn't taken a poly.

Me too    You would think that would have been done, for Heaven's sake, Lindsey was at her house before she disappeared 

[Tamikosmom]

Melissa M.

On August 2, 2009 ... police tape was still preventing Melissa Baum from entering Lindsey's room.  Has that tape been removed.

Thanks.

Janet

++++++++

I WILL FIND MY DAUGHTER
BY JACOB JONES - The Daily World
Sunday, August 2, 2009 1:14 AM PDT

Baum said the worst part is knowing somebody holds the answer. Somebody, if they wanted to, could bring her daughter home at any moment.

“I can’t believe that nobody knows anything,” she said. “They just need to come forward. They need to re-evaluate their morality and put my little girl first.”

She said she knows Lindsey is alive and soon somebody will have the courage to lead investigators to her. She asked anyone with information to call the tip line at 1-866-915-8299.

“I just want her back,” she said. “You can stay anonymous, even calling a tip in. You don’t have to give your name or anything.”

After five weeks, yellow police tape still hangs over Lindsey’s door. Hand-written signs of support still hang in the windows of the house. Log trucks still slowly roll past Maple Street.

http://**/articles/2009/08/02/local_news/doc4a75285b085b5140001671.prt

http://**/articles/2009/08/02/local_news/doc4a75285b085b5140001671.txt

[no rose colored glasses]

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=32336074&albumId=243951

POI website. 

Thank-you

This must be a different myspace for him. http://www.myspace.com/fuckyoualldaylonghoe     Please excuse the profanity. It is his name on myspace.

No, it was not Dales appearence I was referring to, it is his myspace name.  shortcake

There must be more that I'm not seeing, I can't log in to see more, because I don't have a password, so I take it there is something disturbing that I'm not seeing? 

I have been inside that myspace there is nothing in there at all whichi is disturbing that I saw.  He likes to work on his car seems pretty much to be what he is all about.  His screen name is not one I would choose to have but it just falls in line with today's music, and if you have ever listened to that type of music(which you probably have not), then it's just something people his age say.  I don't find it sinister or telling. google any rap song and you will find the lyrics are full of these sayings.  It just the times and the music and sad to say but in today's music and culture for many kids, this seems "cool".  I believe he was just trying to "act cool", which I would not choose a name like that but when I was young in the 60's I think of all the people who said stuff (which I won't even type), was just as bad if not worse.  We said it, we embroidered it on our clothing, etc.  Back then that was pretty shocking to our parents as well.  I did it, I thought it was the thing that was "IN", I think in this day and age our young people are just listen to the music of today and they are using those phrases to try to "be cool".  ugh, yes; sinister; no. 

I have two daughters around Dale's age, I'm familar with the music and I also don't put a lot of stock in myspace because I realize a lot of people put up things and say things for attention. I just wondered what was in his myspace, thanks.

[Leroy]

MM,
I saw that you were on today. Is MB positive that it was in fact DG that followed her? Does she remember the date? How long did he follow her? From what point to what point? Thank you!

I'm very curious about the date this happened 

In the SW it says it was July 31st just after midnight.

[doubledecker]

I am also confused/concerned as to why Dale would be following MB late at night?  She was concerned enough to call the police.  This is not a healthy activity-this sends up my hinky meter. 

what really sends up my HMMMM is how she was driving her car which "didn't run"... well now we know for a fact it did run... so now I see her as having the ability to move a body or take someone somewhere to do something to them.  Up to the top of my list she goes.

[no rose colored glasses]

mb's car was NOT workin that nite as i WATCHED her uncle fix it on SUNDAY after lindsey went missing. i will finish addressing this in a while as well as LJ's room and what nite MB was followed

Thank-you, I know that I'm curious about the night Dale was following her 

[shortcake]

As near as I can piece together, the second job was at a campground in Olympia.  It wouln't be the Straddleline ORV Park by chance?  shortcake

[Northern Rose]

That leaves me with my pool question.  Someone stated they fill it up for the summer as their well runs dry. When is it usually filled and what is the source of the water they use?  I want to confirm that it is an above ground pool, which I think I saw when they were searching the two properties.  I believe I saw an above ground round pool that looked to be at least 18' round possibly 21'.

Can anyone point me to any of the video or pictures from the search that shows the pool?

TIA

I have to go but want to give you my concerns about the statement that they fill up the pool for water as the well goes dry in the summer.  I as well own an above ground pool.  They take a lot of water.  Having lived in areas that do not get serviced by city water supply or sewage I do understand wells going dry.  I do not understand if the source to fill up the pool was the well, how you would not cause your well dry by filling it up which is why I asked when they fill it.  If they filled it up in the spring then MAYBE they could get it filled after giving the well a chance to get caught up as they were filling it.  Why stress the well to do this when you could truck water into tanks though? and if your well can pump out this amount of water in once shot there I  seriously doubt it would go dry in the summer.

A 4 foot high 18' pool takes 7,646 gallons of water to fill
A 52" high pool (4' 4") 18' pool takes 8,602 gallons.

If the pool is a 21 ft' pool the water required would be 9,106 gallons and 10,408 gallons respectively.

http://www.backyardcitypools.com/swimming-pools/Pool-Volume-Calculate.htm

If their well source is sufficient to fill up these then I would not think the well would go dry in the summer.

Once you fill a pool if you do not have it either on a salt or chlorine balance you get algae fast, very fast especially as the weather gets hotter.  You would also need a pump at minimum (a skimmer also if you seriously want to use the water instead of well water)  running to ensure that all the bugs, dust, leaves, pollen, etc get filtered out or it speeds up the algae and other goodies that start growing as well as change the PH level of the water so that it would give you serious issues if used for cooking or drinking.  The pump filter would need to be cleaned at least once a week and replaced at least twice in the summer, chemical levels checked weekly and leveled up or down depending on what your pool is doing , etc.  All this for a household water source? It is an uphill battle as the weather gets warmer and the pool water stays warm from the sun.  Even covering the pool does not stop things from going into the water.  We found a dead bird in our pool once and it was covered. The water from the pool could only be used for gray water I would think (flushing toilets is the only thing I would use it for) , so if they have lived there for many generations as the articles have stated you would think by now they would have either created a dug out for grey water usage, drilled for a second well,  or had tanks to truck in water for when their well was stressed.  JMO

[Leroy]

DD,  can you reveal where his second job was?  I believe you mentioned he no longer has either one.  Thanks.  shortcake

The search warrrant just say at a youth camp near Olympia...

[no rose colored glasses]

MM,
I saw that you were on today. Is MB positive that it was in fact DG that followed her? Does she remember the date? How long did he follow her? From what point to what point? Thank you!

I'm very curious about the date this happened 

In the SW it says it was July 31st just after midnight.

Thank-you, I had trouble reading it, some of it wasn't clear, and my eyes aren't the best  Janet, you and me, about initials, I'm glad you asked, I was sitting here trying to figure out who KM was   

[no rose colored glasses]

Thanks Northern Rose for that info 

[Leroy]

MM,
I saw that you were on today. Is MB positive that it was in fact DG that followed her? Does she remember the date? How long did he follow her? From what point to what point? Thank you!

I'm very curious about the date this happened 

In the SW it says it was July 31st just after midnight.

Thank-you, I had trouble reading it, some of it wasn't clear, and my eyes aren't the best  Janet, you and me, about initials, I'm glad you asked, I was sitting here trying to figure out who KM was   

I know, it is difficult to read...wish I would have printed it off at work.  But I have a 23" inch monitor at home so its a little easier to read.

What is odd is that Dale didn't call LE saying he saw a suspicious car...instead he decided to check it out himself.

[doubledecker]

This sure does not look good.

His Mom got a call for him from LE to do a phone interview,he was asleep,Mom calls LE back and says he left the home and gives LE his cell number.LE calls him and he says he was not working at BeeHive that Friday and Saturday but was working at his other job on June 26th even though he was spotted driving around town that Friday.

LE calls his other job and finds out he was on disciplinary leave from June 7th through June 27th.
OMG......

I have no idea whether or not this young man is involved in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum but ... I believe that LE were justified in their suspicions ... justified in searching the home/property where he resides.  I just do not understand what took them so long.

 

Janet

I agree
Unless we are to believe his boss at the campground lied,his exgirlfriend or current girlfriend lied,Melissa Baum lied about him following her,LE is lying about their suspicions and LE and the Judge lied,illegally,just to get this search warrant,the now 21 year old girl and her siblings all lied back in 2000,lied about being made to watch porn and lied about being held in a bedroom at the age of 12 while your babysitter tried to rape you,JenniferO lied about seeing Dale and his car at the Shell station during last night's search and his drivers door was working just fine(from witnesses that saw him and his car there).

I'm not going to apologize for having my suspicions about Dale Golder,not even if it turns out that all of the above is true because all I am doing is what I would do in any missing child case......no matter who is investigating it and no matter who is communicating with whom.
We all have opinions and are allowed to express them.
That is what I did above.

it is 3 months later... I would think after 3 months someone might just fix their door handle?

Karma and all.  I believe all of you should research the guy if you so choose, I have no problem with anyone researching anyone... what I have a problem with is everyone getting upset at ME, because "I" don't want to waste MY time doing the research.  I'm not the ONLY researher by far.  No one is stopping anyone else from researching the guy, are they?  I might just in and respond when I know something it not correct... but so far I don't see anyone RESEARCHING the guy, it is all just saying he looks weird, or his myspace name is weird or this or that.  Please DIG and find something if it is there.  DIG DIG AND DIG... that is what research is.  If I see some LEGIT RESEARCH that makes me go HMMMM, I will be the first to check it out further, but I have already done that and I see nothing.  so for me to keep looking, is a waste, yet people have gotten furious at me because I can't dig up something on this guy.  sorry, there is NOTHING to find.