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« Reply #1480 on: October 03, 2009, 12:56:37 PM »

This sure does not look good.

His Mom got a call for him from LE to do a phone interview,he was asleep,Mom calls LE back and says he left the home and gives LE his cell number.LE calls him and he says he was not working at BeeHive that Friday and Saturday but was working at his other job on June 26th even though he was spotted driving around town that Friday.

LE calls his other job and finds out he was on disciplinary leave from June 7th through June 27th.
OMG......

I have no idea whether or not this young man is involved in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum but ... I believe that LE were justified in their suspicions ... justified in searching the home/property where he resides.  I just do not understand what took them so long.

 

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I agree

Unless we are to believe his boss at the campground lied,his exgirlfriend or current girlfriend lied,Melissa Baum lied about him following her,LE is lying about their suspicions and LE and the Judge lied,illegally,just to get this search warrant,the now 21 year old girl and her siblings all lied back in 2000,lied about being made to watch porn and lied about being held in a bedroom at the age of 12 while your babysitter tried to rape you,JenniferO lied about seeing Dale and his car at the Shell station during last night's search and his drivers door was working just fine(from witnesses that saw him and his car there).

I'm not going to apologize for having my suspicions about Dale Golder,not even if it turns out that all of the above is true because all I am doing is what I would do in any missing child case......no matter who is investigating it and no matter who is communicating with whom.
We all have opinions and are allowed to express them.
That is what I did above.

 

There was a witness sighting of this young man and his vehicle at the Shell station on the evening that Lindsey went missing???

From the getgo ... I have suspected that Lindsey stopped at the Shell station on her way home to rerieve the bike that had been left there earlier following the argument with her brother and ... met up with foul play.

I concede that my ongoing suspicions regarding Josh Baum has now wavered.

Karma ... you are right.  Logic dictates that EVERYBODY is not lying ... attempting to implicate Dale ... attempting to obstruct the investigation into the disappearance of a little girl.

Janet
 

TM, jenn is talking about RECENTLY, not the night lindsey disappeared.   an angelic monkey
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« Reply #1481 on: October 03, 2009, 12:57:05 PM »

 
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Right now I am going to take ONE VERY HARD look at MB.  If she had access to a running vehicle, which now we know without a doubt she did, as she admits in the search warran when trying to point at Dale, then this changes everything about her ability to hide a body.  And when she says she "believe lindsey is right UNDER HER NOSE", I believe lindsey is. 

you have no idea the emails I have from MB... it took about the first two of them to start asking what the heck is wrong with her.  I ever ask MB the same thing.  It was so bizarre, I quit emailing her.  I thought the poor woman must be so unable to cope, she was acting like she could care less about lindsey, but I thought it was her way of coping and I did not wish to bother her.  But I clearly believe now it was NOT her way of coping, after talking to others, and NOW that I know for a fact her car was running and that she did IN FACT have the ability to hide a body... I have to agree with her when she says Lindsey is right under her nose.  I can see exactly how she could have hidden lindsey. 

might also make sense why lindsey's room is taped off as a "crime scene", which that never made sense to me either.  But it does now.

 

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From the getgo my contention was that Melissa Baum and Josh Buam ... in the process of elimination ... should be considered persons of interest by LE in the events that encompass Lindsey's disappearance.  In no uncertain terms you have always underminded my postition.

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« Reply #1482 on: October 03, 2009, 12:57:44 PM »

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« Reply #1483 on: October 03, 2009, 12:58:35 PM »

This sure does not look good.

His Mom got a call for him from LE to do a phone interview,he was asleep,Mom calls LE back and says he left the home and gives LE his cell number.LE calls him and he says he was not working at BeeHive that Friday and Saturday but was working at his other job on June 26th even though he was spotted driving around town that Friday.

LE calls his other job and finds out he was on disciplinary leave from June 7th through June 27th.
OMG......

I have no idea whether or not this young man is involved in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum but ... I believe that LE were justified in their suspicions ... justified in searching the home/property where he resides.  I just do not understand what took them so long.

 

Janet

I agree
Unless we are to believe his boss at the campground lied,his exgirlfriend or current girlfriend lied,Melissa Baum lied about him following her,LE is lying about their suspicions and LE and the Judge lied,illegally,just to get this search warrant,the now 21 year old girl and her siblings all lied back in 2000,lied about being made to watch porn and lied about being held in a bedroom at the age of 12 while your babysitter tried to rape you,JenniferO lied about seeing Dale and his car at the Shell station during last night's search and his drivers door was working just fine(from witnesses that saw him and his car there).

I'm not going to apologize for having my suspicions about Dale Golder,not even if it turns out that all of the above is true because all I am doing is what I would do in any missing child case......no matter who is investigating it and no matter who is communicating with whom.
We all have opinions and are allowed to express them.
That is what I did above.
Wow!!  Where was his other job at(campground).  Anybody know the name of the campground?  This is a very interesting development if true.  shortcake 
It was written in the search warrant about his job at the youth camp but it did not mention the name.
Here are some links from WS on youth camp grounds near by plus JenniferO stated last night that Lindsey was signed up to go to camp this past August.

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Speaking of camp...
Lindsey was supposed to attend a girl scout camp in mid August, the picture of the t shirt that JVK posted was from that camp. Her troop signed the t shirt and presented it along with various "find Lindsey" posters, a tie dyed pillow case that they also signed and homemade cupcakes and cookies to the search center today.
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89690&page=16

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I just found Camp Thunderbird:

200 Acre facility located on Summit Lake in Olympia where Cub Scout Resident and Day camps are held. Home to the Pacific Harbors Outdoor Education Program participated in by area school districts.
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89690&page=12


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Youth camps in Olympia - Perhaps he worked at - Camp Solomon Schechter
Olympia, Washington

http://www.mysummercamps.com/camps/w...mer-camps.html

Chastain Mist Summer Riding Camp
Olympia, Washington, USA
Camp Type: Residential | Day
Show Phone # Phone: 360-888-5395
Equestrian adventures at Chastain Mist Summer Camp! Beginners thru advanced riders learn English or Western over a course of 1 to 4 weeks. ...

Contact Us Visit Website Learn More

Bicycle Adventures
Olympia, Washington, USA Show Phone # Phone: 360-786-0989

Joe Machnik's No. 1 Soccer Camps - Washington
Olympia, Washington, USA Show Toll-Free # Toll-Free: 800-622-4645
Scoring Goals & Saving Goals...That's what No. 1 Camps, America's foremost training ground for today's players, is all about. Founded in 1977, No. 1 Camps, with its carefully woven interaction

Camp Solomon Schechter
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Olympia, Washington, USA Show Phone # Phone: 360-352-1019
The Stampfer Center, home of Camp Solomon Schechter, offers a truly unique setting for a Jewish camping experience. Our spectacular 160 acre facility located in Olympia, Washington features breathtak

Black Lake Bible Camp
Olympia, Washington, USA Show Phone #http://www.campschechter.org/go/camp...about.camp.asp

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« Reply #1484 on: October 03, 2009, 12:59:22 PM »

Am I reading the search warrant correctly where it states that when interviewed, dale says on the night of Lindsey's disappearance, he was home at 9pm then passed out?? 

I thought he had an alibi?
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« Reply #1485 on: October 03, 2009, 12:59:34 PM »

Thanks Karma 
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« Reply #1486 on: October 03, 2009, 12:59:58 PM »

DD - has dale offered or been asked to take a poly? 
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« Reply #1487 on: October 03, 2009, 01:02:36 PM »

DD - has dale offered or been asked to take a poly? 

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« Reply #1488 on: October 03, 2009, 01:05:26 PM »

MomTective at WS typed out the full search warrant.
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It's taken me hours and there are probably typos but here is the text version of the affidavit.
If you find a typo, please fix it if you quote the post. I've gotta run get a kid from work but I'll look over it again when I get back in a few.

All I can really say is...the mother of the 12 year old from 2000 should have her azz kicked for not believing her daughter and putting Golder away when she had the chance. Golder and his GF Steph whatever her last name is are both lying...we know this from the myspace pages...she acts like she's a casual acquaintance but we know better. My last thought is, there is no way Golder is not a POI, no way!



I am a detective with Grays Harbor County Sheriff’s Office and am currently assigned to the Investigations Division. On June 27th, 2009 at about 1:30 am Grays Harbor Sheriff’s Deputies responded to assist McCleary Police Department in locating a missing child named Lindsey Baum. Baum who was 10 years old was last seen on Maple Street near 6th Street in McCleary at about 9:30pm. She was last known to be wearing a blue long sleeve shirt, blue jeans, black shoes, and a mismatched bikini style swim suit. She was walking east on Maple Street from the Campen residence towards her residence on Momensen Road in McCleary. An extensive search was conducted over the next weeks by law enforcement, search and rescue volunteers, canine teams, and citizens.
Baum could not be located nor has any evidence been located. The incident became a criminal investigation concerning the apparent kidnapping of Baum. Located on Maple Street between 5th and 6th Street is Beehive Retirement Center. Baum is familiar with the center because her friend_________’s mother Libby Nelson works there. As part of the investigation employees and residents were interviewed about what they knew about Baum and her disappearance. Several of the staff and residents were familiar with Baum and her friend_____ because Baum walked by the retirement center to and from her friend Campen’s residence on Maple Street. None knew anything about her disappearance, nor had they seen her the night of June 26th, 2009. Not all of the employees were available to interview at the time the investigators were on site.

On 07-29-09 a concerned citizen named_________contacted investigators and wanted to report that a subject named Dale Golder worked at the Beehive retirement center. Sample said that Dale drove a small white car with loud exhaust. Sample said that Golder usually drove his car through town numerous times a day. He said that for several weeks after the Baum girl disappeared Golder wasn’t in town driving like he normally did. Sample found this suspicious. Sample identified another resident in McCleary who was familiar with Golder’s vehicle and driving habits.
Mantes was contacted and told investigators that Golder drove a small white sports car with loud exhaust. Mentes said Golder drove around town on a regular basis. He also told investigators that on the night of June 26th 2009 at about 10:00pm he saw a small white sports car with loud exhaust on Maple street in McCleary that he thought was Golder’s. He did not see who was driving the vehicle and thought nothing of it because seeing Golder driving around was normal. Golder is the registered owner of the white 1995 Honda Del Sol, Washington License______

One of the employees who was not working at the Center that night had been identified as Golder. He is an aide at the Center and is scheduled for various shifts as a “fill in.” Golder was on regularly scheduled days off on June 26th 2009 and June 27, 2009. Attempts were made to contact him on July 29, 2009 for a telephone interview to see if he had any information about Baum based on Mentes observation of what appeared to be his vehicle in McCleary on the night and at about the time Baum was last seen.

Tena Golder, Dale Golder’s mother told investigators he was asleep at the time the investigators called on July 29, 2009. She was asked to have him call an investigator when he woke up. His mother called about 30 minutes later and said that Dale had gotten up and left the residence in his vehicle. According to his mother, when she had told him that an investigator wanted a call he said he had nothing to tell the investigator because he was not working at the Retirement Center that night. His mother provided Dale’s cell phone number to the investigator.

The investigator telephoned him and Dale said he had not worked at the Center that day. When asked where he was on the evening of June 26, 2009 he said he was working at his second job at a youth camp near Olympia. The investigator contacted _____Supervisor at the youth camp. She stated that Golder was not working on the night of June 26, 2009. When asked if she was certain, she said she was because she had suspended Golder for two weeks prior to June 26, 2009 for misbehavior. She said she had been involved in a traffic collision and could not walk. She said while she was recuperating at home other employees in the camp kitchen telephoned her and complained that Golder was not doing his work and was being disruptive. She said she telephoned him and told him to go home for two weeks until she could return. She said she told him he needed to take that time to think about whatever he really wanted to work at the camp or not. She stated that she had sent Golder home for a shift at a time without pay in the past for misbehavior. Golder later confirmed that he had been suspended from June 7, 2008 through June 27, 2009. He returned to working at the camp on June 28, 2009.

On 07-31-09 just after Midnight Melissa Baum, the mother of the missing girl reported to police she was being followed around by a white vehicle. Officers stopped and found that Golder was driving it. He claimed he was at work when he saw Melissa’s Baum’s vehicle around the Beehive Retirement Center. He thought it was suspicious so he followed it around thinking it might be connected with Baum’s disappearance. He did not call police to report the suspicious vehicle.

Investigators interviewed a co-worker of Golder’s. She said that on two separate nights near the end of July, 2009 Golder told her that a Silver Honda Del Sol was cruising around the Beehive. Golder pointed it out to her one night and said he thought the occupants of the silver Honda were going to steel parts from his Del Sol.
Bryson claimed that Golder tried to get a license number but could not. She said the next night the vehicle was back and Golder left work to follow it. She said he told her that he called the police about it. He did not tell her he was following Melissa Baum or that the police stopped him.

While looking into Golder’s background it was discovered that in 2000 he was a suspect in the attempted rape of a child. The case was located under McCleary Police department case number 00MC0014. Golder was 14 years old at the time of the incident. It was determined that the victim of the assault was named ____________, she was 12 years old at the time. No reports of this incident appear to exist except a computer entry.
Investigators attempted to locate ____________. They first located her mother. Initially the mothe rsaid nothing like this ever happened involving her daughter. She was pressed and given details and she stated she didn’t believe anything had happened to her daughter. She said that when the police arrived to speak to her daughter her daughter told police nothing had happened.

Investigators then contacted_______________. She stated that in 2000 she and her two brothers were being babysat by Golder. She said her mother was good friends with Tena Golder. She said that while Golder watched pornographic videos and had her, her brothers and Dales younger brother watch the videos. He asked her to have sex with him and she refused. One day he took her to his room and barricaded the door with a large dresser. He removed her pants and the removed his pants and tried to have sexual intercourse with her. She said that she cried and struggled and after two hours he released her. She said she told friends about what happened whom she believed told school officials at Elma school district. It was reported to the police. Her mother found out about the incident. _______said her mother told her it would be her word against his and discouraged her from telling the police the truth. When the police officer spoke to her she said she told him nothing happened.

A search warrant for Golders cellular telephone records for a month prior and a month after June 26, 2009 was obtained. When the records were analyzed it was learned that Golder was texting and calling a number in eastern Washington repeatedly from about noon on 06-26-09 until 9:26pm. There was in excess of 50 contacts to this number that suddenly stopped at 9:26pm. ___________received a cellular call from a subject identified as ___________at 1:11am (06-27-09) that had a duration of 2 minutes. After that he did not make a call until 6:12am. This is contrary to the pattern of cell phone usage shown _______. He normally has frequent cell phone activity until at least midnight to 1:00am each day.

Investigators determined that the number he was calling and texting belonged to a Stephanie Calica, who resides in Ellenburg, WA. She was contacted and interviewed. They determined that Stephanie Calica knew Golder when she went to Elma High School. She moved to Michigan in 2002. She maintained contact with people in Elma including Dale via the internet. She said she moved back to Washington State at the end of May 2009 and let people know she had moved. She said that on 06-26-09 she decided to give Golder her telephone number. She said that they began to text and talk that day. She was asked why the contact stopped at 9:30pm. She said that it stopped because Golder went to work at 10:00pm. When asked she admitted that after that day she had lengthy conversations with Golder while he was at work at the retirement center. She said that Golder had talked to her the day after the girl was reported missing and that he was very concerned about something like this happening in his town. She said that when she spoke to him the day after this was reported (she believed it was Saturday or early Sunday 29/07-2009) Golder told her he could not believe that a girl had been taken and cut up and dismembered. It should be noted that the media and investigators did not believe Baum was the victim of a crime until the week following her disappearance (June 29 to July 3-4, 2009). It was initially believed she might be a run-away or had been injured and unable to get help. Stephani described Golder as being “over the top” and obsessively talking about Baum and what had happened to her; specifically that he believed she has been kidnapped and murdered. Stephanie said that he became less obsessed as July wore on. He then got very agitated about it again when he talked to the investigator about the case the end of July. Steph said that Dale was very upset that the investigators were talking to people about him and was obsessing about the girl. Detective Organ asked Stephanie when was the last time she actually saw Golder and she said it was the summer of 2002. She later told detectives that Golder had driven to Ellensburg on 07-16-09 and that she had to take him back to Elma because his car broke down. She said she stayed with him in MCCleary until 07-20-09

On 08-26-08 investigators saw ___________in McCleary and contacted him about this case. He was asked to relate everything he had done from the time he got up on 06-26-09. He wrote a brief paragraph about going to a neighbor’s house____________) next door and planting tomatoes and having a BBQ. He said he went home about 9:00pm to watch television, but “passed out” and woke up in the morning. He claimed that he had been home and had not been in the town of McCleary that night. He claimed not to know Lindsey Baum and had never seen her before.


Further investigation revealed that_____ resides in a shop on his property outside of the town of McCleary. He rents the house on the property to a subject named _______________. _____________as interviewed and it was learned that he planted his garden near a garden that Golder had planted. Both gardens are located between the house and the shop on the property. ____________________stated that he had planted his garden the last week of May or the first week of June. He said that Golder had planted his garden weeks before he did. When asked why he was sure of this he said it was because he and Golder had discussed the progress of their tomato plants. He said that his had developed into much better plants than Golder's, even though they were planted later. He said that until the evening of Wednesday August 26, 2009 or Thursday August 27, 2009 he had only seen Golder around the shop maybe once or twice all summer. He said that after those dates Golder sometimes--------------had been at Hardy’s residence talking to him almost every evening. The increased visits coincide with_____________being interviewed on 08-26-09. Ralke described ___________ as having some mental issues that may be due to alcohol and or drug abuse. He said he can be manipulated into believing things that did not occur.

Investigators interviewed ________________. He stated that he had a BBQ on 06-26-09. He said Golder and a woman named ___________had attended. Investigators believed she had been at ___________, on 06-26-09 when Golder was present. She agreed to meet with investigators in person for an interview.

I believe there is probable cause to believe Lindsey Baum has been kidnapped and that evidence of that crime as described on the face of this affidavit will be found on the premises and in the vehicles described on the face of this affidavit.

Based on the foregoing information, I respectfully request a search warrant be issued for the premises and in the vehicles listed on the face of this affidavit to search for evidence described on the face of this affidavit. I have read the foregoing, know the contents thereof and believe the same to be true.

In order to execute this warrant substantial planning will be required to coordinate special search equipment and personnel, such as ground penetrating radar, specially trained search dogs and forensic personnel which would include the use of FBI employees. Public release of this application and warrant may allow evidence to be destroyed, moved, or altered while the execution is organized and coordinated between various Washington and Federal law enforcement agencies. I am requesting that the application and warrants be sealed until it has been served and a return filed or more than 10 days have passed after issuance of the warrants.
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« Reply #1489 on: October 03, 2009, 01:07:55 PM »

Am I reading the search warrant correctly where it states that when interviewed, dale says on the night of Lindsey's disappearance, he was home at 9pm then passed out?? 

I thought he had an alibi?

Fortunately ... there were witness sightings of this passed out young man ...

 

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KOMO News has learned the young man was working at the Bee Hive Retirement Center at the time of the 11-year-old girl's disappearance. The girl was last seen in front of the center.

The man's family members and his next-door neighbor say he was at home when the girl vanished.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/62753227.html
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« Reply #1490 on: October 03, 2009, 01:10:23 PM »

If what it says is true in the SW, I can imagine how scared Melissa Baum was when he was following her that night  I just don't understand that at all, I know what it said in the SW, but I bet that woman was very upset, at least I would be 


Here is ONE of the things that jumped out at me on that search warrant

 MB has stated dale was following her around in her car, I would like to know how she was driving that car when she said it did not work... the ONLY reason I never really put MB high on my list of people to look at is because she had no car running, and it would be pretty impossible for her to hide a body if she had to drag it down the street and way out into the woods herself without a vehicle.  But now it comes out her car was actually running and she was driving it, because she herself stated dale was following her around town... so hmmm, if her car was actually running, she goes right up to the top of my list now.  This woman shows all the signs of someone guilty, the only thing that kept me from thinking she might be was I could not figure out how in the world she could hide a body if she had no vehicle.  Well, now we see she really did have a vehicle.  So back to MB and take a good look at her too.

Kara had stated that MB's car could not be driven because the key was broken off in the ignition.  So everyone assumed MB had no transportation of her own.  Because of this, I figured there is no way she could dispose of a body.  I do know that you can take a screwdriver and still twist the ignition even if the key is broken off in it, but I gave MB the benefit of the doubt because I assumed she probably did not know you could do this.  Now I really have to go back and wonder, how is she driving that car, when she herself says Dale was following her, if in fact her car would not drive?  We now see, yes she was driving it.  So again, another lie... her car was running, she was driving it, therefore, she was capable of hiding a body. 

After reading the search warrant, we also find that lindsey's swimsuit is missing. This is a little perplexing to say the least.  I have not had time to figure this out, but will be taking the time to do it now. 

If nothing else on that SW stands out to me, it is these two things that were obviously lied about for 3 months, that has me right back to square #1 and MB.. Being all the other underlying circumstance concerning MB, and some of those in emails to me directly from her, and statements made to me directly from KK, MM, and JennO, and other information I have concerning how all of mb's own family feels about her actions, and the information about how MB never wanted HO to come help search, and how she would never even so much as come out of the house to introduce herself, how she got mad at her sister for even requesting the services of HO, how she acts(although this alone would not be something we can know how anyone might act if in this situation, however in combination with everything else), all adds up to one really strange situation. 

Right now I am going to take ONE VERY HARD look at MB.  If she had access to a running vehicle, which now we know without a doubt she did, as she admits in the search warran when trying to point at Dale, then this changes everything about her ability to hide a body.  And when she says she "believe lindsey is right UNDER HER NOSE", I believe lindsey is. 

you have no idea the emails I have from MB... it took about the first two of them to start asking what the heck is wrong with her.  I ever ask MB the same thing.  It was so bizarre, I quit emailing her.  I thought the poor woman must be so unable to cope, she was acting like she could care less about lindsey, but I thought it was her way of coping and I did not wish to bother her.  But I clearly believe now it was NOT her way of coping, after talking to others, and NOW that I know for a fact her car was running and that she did IN FACT have the ability to hide a body... I have to agree with her when she says Lindsey is right under her nose.  I can see exactly how she could have hidden lindsey. 

might also make sense why lindsey's room is taped off as a "crime scene", which that never made sense to me either.  But it does now.

Keep spinning...  Why don't you stick up for Lindsey instead of this sick individual?

you have no idea what all I do behind the seens to get lindsey found. And this is not about "sticking up" for him, it is about not allowing the REAL PERP to walk off and do this again, or to even get away with it this time.  It does not matter who it is or what they or like or if they are the worst person on the face of the earth or if they aren't; what matters is getting the RIGHT person or finding out where the RIGHT person might have put her.  Going after the WRONG person is surely not going to find her or will it stop it from happening again.  And in the process would you like to see all the other members of his family have to worry someone wants to come to their house and do something to them.  How do they deserve that.  How does someone who was trying to help deserve to have people say she was trying to lead me to a dead linsey and she is involved too.  When I know for a FACT, I was the one Leading her, not her leading me.  Do you really understand anything I do?  no, sorry but you don't.  why are you ATTACKING ME... why don't you just research the guy if you believe he is guilty?

and spinning?  things changed when it is said MB's car was running.  Up until that time "I" was the one defending MB moreso that ANYONE at all was defending her.  Truth be know I defended her against the very people who sit with her and smile at her and then get in other places and say they suspect her.  I am not spinning, I am pointing out a previously unkown FACT, about which we were all lied to.  Her car was RUNNING, therefore, she had the abiliity to hide a body or to take lindsey somewhere.  Now that the truth is out about that, now I full well believe, in combintation with everything else I know about, she looks VERY GUILTY>
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« Reply #1491 on: October 03, 2009, 01:16:33 PM »

MomTective at WS typed out the full search warrant.
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« Reply #1492 on: October 03, 2009, 01:20:22 PM »

Am I reading the search warrant correctly where it states that when interviewed, dale says on the night of Lindsey's disappearance, he was home at 9pm then passed out?? 

I thought he had an alibi?

Fortunately ... there were witness sightings of this passed out young man ...

 

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KOMO News has learned the young man was working at the Bee Hive Retirement Center at the time of the 11-year-old girl's disappearance. The girl was last seen in front of the center.

The man's family members and his next-door neighbor say he was at home when the girl vanished.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/62753227.html

Ya Ya,  He was on his cellie at 9:26.  And his car was witnessed being driven by the Beehive at about 10 pm.   The affidavit states the time of her going missing between 9:15 and 10 pm.  So his car has been placed at the same place and within the same time frame where she was last seen.  The pings from his cell might well place him there at that time as well.

One thing still unknown are the forensic results from some items taken.  That would include anything gleaned from electronics as in computers or cell phone findings.  IMO


One thing I question is the location of the Beehive acc to the affidavit.  I states it is between 5th and 6th on Maple and I called the dispatcher in GHC the other nite and she said it is between 6th and 7th  ???
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« Reply #1493 on: October 03, 2009, 01:22:38 PM »

DD, please don't overlook that MB's car may not have been running at the time of Lindseys disappearance, and it was repaired at a later time.  I don't think dale was following her that night as it is said he was following her to see if she would lead him to information about lindsey.   I am also wondering where she was coming home from at 12 or 1 AM in the morning. 

I have always known that when a key is twisted off in the ignition that all you have to do is use a screwdriver to go ahead and turn it.  when the key is broken off inside, it keeps all the pins lined up so it will turn, all you do is use a flathead screwdriver to turn it.  I had gave mb the benifit of not knowing how to do this.  Although, I probably should not have.  But I hate trashing the vicitims family by saying they might be guilty.  I got on this very board and defended her to no end until she emailed me.  That is when I really went WOW.  so much so I asked people close to her what the heck is wrong with her.  I was told it was not just me, but her family was wondering the same thing to the point they were getting very mad about it, as was MM.  But I just let it all go and quit talking to any of them because all it was was a trashfest on who could tell me the most garbage about the other one and no one would talke to me about lindsey.  MB was into the whole board war trashing of her x husband and all she wanted to talk to me about was email me and try to get me to tell WS who he was on that board, and all he had done blah blah blah and the last straw was when I decided she needed a PI to help find lindsey and I offered to fundraise for that so she could have one for lindsey's sake, the response I got was yes I would like one so I can have scott investigated to see where he lives and works.  That is ALL she said.  she never even mentioned lindsey.  At that point I thought wow, wth... it became pointless for me to try to help her, and all she wanted me to do was make posts on the board for her about her going to the spa, or her computer, or josh's new bike,etc, and to trash scott.  unreal.  I quit answering her emails. 

so I am now going to go back and really look at her.
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« Reply #1494 on: October 03, 2009, 01:23:05 PM »

MomTective at WS typed out the full search warrant.
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89690&page=18



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« Reply #1495 on: October 03, 2009, 01:24:50 PM »

DD I'm gonna stand with you on this.  All families are raked over the coals when their child is missing but she wasn't.  I didn't understand then and don't now.  If it turns out that the young man is implicated so be it but I always thought something was wrong on KaraK's and MB's end.  Go get'em DD.
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« Reply #1496 on: October 03, 2009, 01:28:16 PM »

DD, I took this from your above post.           (and spinning?  things changed when it is said MB's car was running.  Up until that time "I" was the one defending MB moreso that ANYONE at all was defending her.  Truth be know I defended her against the very people who sit with her and smile at her and then get in other places and say they suspect her.  I am not spinning, I am pointing out a previously unkown FACT, about which we were all lied to.  Her car was RUNNING, therefore, she had the abiliity to hide a body or to take lindsey somewhere.  Now that the truth is out about that, now I full well believe, in combintation with everything else I know about, she looks VERY GUILTY> )            Are you saying, without saying it that Melissa Baum's friends, think she had something to do with Lindsey's disappearance? Because if that is the case, to me that is huge    If some of her friends, by talking to her and being with her suspect something like that, have they talked to LE? Has Melissa Baum said something to one of her friends that made them suspicious? Do they think that perhaps Josh did something and Melissa is covering for him? I sure have a lot of questions with all this. Because like Janet, I have never been quite sure what to think about Josh. 
 
 
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« Reply #1497 on: October 03, 2009, 01:28:34 PM »

DD,  can you reveal where his second job was?  I believe you mentioned he no longer has either one.  Thanks.  shortcake

I know it was at a camp, I don't know which one.
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« Reply #1498 on: October 03, 2009, 01:31:32 PM »

DD, please don't overlook that MB's car may not have been running at the time of Lindseys disappearance, and it was repaired at a later time.  I don't think dale was following her that night as it is said he was following her to see if she would lead him to information about lindsey.   I am also wondering where she was coming home from at 12 or 1 AM in the morning. 
 


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On 07-31-09 just after Midnight Melissa Baum, the mother of the missing girl reported to police she was being followed around by a white vehicle. Officers stopped and found that Golder was driving it. He claimed he was at work when he saw Melissa’s Baum’s vehicle around the Beehive Retirement Center. He thought it was suspicious so he followed it around thinking it might be connected with Baum’s disappearance. He did not call police to report the suspicious vehicle.

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No, it was not Dales appearence I was referring to, it is his myspace name.  shortcake
There must be more that I'm not seeing, I can't log in to see more, because I don't have a password, so I take it there is something disturbing that I'm not seeing? 

I have been inside that myspace there is nothing in there at all whichi is disturbing that I saw.  He likes to work on his car seems pretty much to be what he is all about.  His screen name is not one I would choose to have but it just falls in line with today's music, and if you have ever listened to that type of music(which you probably have not), then it's just something people his age say.  I don't find it sinister or telling. google any rap song and you will find the lyrics are full of these sayings.  It just the times and the music and sad to say but in today's music and culture for many kids, this seems "cool".  I believe he was just trying to "act cool", which I would not choose a name like that but when I was young in the 60's I think of all the people who said stuff (which I won't even type), was just as bad if not worse.  We said it, we embroidered it on our clothing, etc.  Back then that was pretty shocking to our parents as well.  I did it, I thought it was the thing that was "IN", I think in this day and age our young people are just listen to the music of today and they are using those phrases to try to "be cool".  ugh, yes; sinister; no. 
I have two daughters around Dale's age, I'm familar with the music and I also don't put a lot of stock in myspace because I realize a lot of people put up things and say things for attention. I just wondered what was in his myspace, thanks.

I was INSIDE his myspace.  There was nothing at all in there, he likes cars, he likes fixing up his car, he has photos of his car and working on it and driving it.  he has some posts from friends as anyone else does with nothing at all weird.  his is nothing like the others you see floating around we are looking at.  he is all about his car.  I did not stay inside there long at all, but I did have to scan through the posts in there.  that is why I was in there in the first place. 
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