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« Reply #1840 on: October 04, 2009, 12:43:46 PM »

Thanks Tams, very good post. I'm thinking also there must be some strategy to what LE is doing, at least I think there is.
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« Reply #1841 on: October 04, 2009, 12:44:18 PM »

Shortcake...what is you theory?

Hi Mamacrazy.  I just don't know but I went back to when this search broke and some of the posters (one in perticular) vowed to do everything they could to prove the innocense of the search location person(Kona).  Strange post to say the least.  Since then we have been run all over town and away from the Kona residence.  I just think there is a lot to research to do out Foreman Road.  Like this Jessy person who may live right next door to Dale.  If so, WOW.  shortcake

Here are all the neighbors on Foreman:



  Parcel # Owner Situs Address
180523120010  TOOMPAS DAVID A & RHONDA L 82    FOREMAN RD 
180523120020  CRANE TERENCE R & JEANETTE C 80    FOREMAN RD 
180523120030  MEYER JANEAL C  110    FOREMAN RD 
180523120060  BELCHER COREY & MICHELE  78    FOREMAN RD 
180523120070  RAUB MARY M 88    FOREMAN RD 
180523120080A VANWORMER JILL 102    FOREMAN RD 
180523120080B VANWORMER JILL 102    FOREMAN RD 
180523130020  CRAWFORD DALE L ET AL 95    FOREMAN RD 
180523210010  CHEHALIS VALLEY TIMBER  114    FOREMAN RD 
180523210040  SCHEEL CHRISTOPHER & MINK J  136    FOREMAN RD 
180523220020  TUTTLE DAVID A & KAREN L 130    FOREMAN RD 
180523230010  KINNEY STEVEN D & SHEA BEVERLY J 142    FOREMAN RD 
180523230040A GOLDER TENA ET AL 149    FOREMAN RD 
180523230040B GOLDER TENA ET AL 149    FOREMAN RD 
180524230040  KARR RICHARD ET AL 15    FOREMAN RD 
 


What I found on a earlier post was RSO Jessy D Braun  100 Block of Heslep Lane(right off Foreman Road).  Please some local clear this up?

On google maps, Heslep is very close to Foreman, but doesn't back up to it. Remeber the white car mentioned............did anyone ever say what type of car the girls saw?
Someone at WS mentioned a Ford Taurus station wagon,made in the 90's with round headlights.
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« Reply #1842 on: October 04, 2009, 12:55:08 PM »

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Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Reply #88 on: June 29, 2009, 01:34:31 PM


From FamilyWatchDog.us - shows eight within a five mile radius.

Jessy d Braun   Home   100 block of Heslep Lane
McCleary, WA 98557   0.73   
MICHAEL DAVID FEESER   Home   10 block of W Elma Hicklin Road
McCleary, WA 98557   1.76   
STACY NICKOLAS KUHN   Home   100 block of Stillson Road
McCleary, WA 98557   2.01   
Kuhn, Stacy Nickolas   Home   100 Stillson Road
Mccleary, WA 98557   2.04   
Holloway, Daniel G   Home   100 Bush RD
Elma, WA 98541   4.27   
DANIEL G HOLLOWAY   Home   100 block of Bush Creek Road
Elma, WA 98541   4.29   
LONNIE PAUL TURNER   Home   70 block of W PRAIRIE DR
ELMA, WA 98541   4.52   
Feeser, Michael David   Home   00 West Elma Hicklin RD
Mccleary, WA 98557   non-mappable

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Thanks Janet, I found it and Heslep Ln and Foreman road back up to each other.

Parcel   180514410080 
 Situs Address   00100 HESLEP LN MCCL
  Legal Description   LOT 10 SURVEY VOL 5 PG 133 (AKA LL 96-0237 VOL 1 PG 11) 

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Owner   HODGES FAMILY TRUST  File Updated   10/2/2009   16:05
Address   C/O KEITH HODGES TRUSTEE  Location   T 18 R 05 Sec 14
   8500 OLD HWY 99 SE
OLYMPIA , WA 98501
Total Acres   5

http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/gh_Parcel/Search/DetailParcel.asp?SrchParcelNo=180514410080

Interestingly when you google 100 Heslep Lane mccleary you get :

Harp Turkey Ranch
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Robins Eggs & Other clean foods.
Someone on WS said that they always list RSO and SO in the 100 block of the street they live on.I don't know if that is true but it seems to be.
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« Reply #1843 on: October 04, 2009, 12:55:59 PM »

Wonder who has a Ford Taurus 90's model station wagon?
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« Reply #1844 on: October 04, 2009, 01:08:22 PM »

No "Person of Interest" in McCleary Case

After confirming they were looking at him, Police change their tune and say they don't have hard evidence linking him to the case

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MCCLEARY - A man whose family owns two homes searched in connection with missing 11-year old Lindsey Baum is no longer a "person of interest," according to the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office. One day after investigators confirmed they were looking at the man, they backed-off that label.

The sheriff's office served search warrants last weekend on the two McCleary, WA homes and yards., and the man's car. Investigators say that evidence is now being analyzed at several crime labs. It could take months to get answers and there's still a chance the evidence could implicate the man whose homes were searched.

According to court documents, the man in question changed his story about where he was working on the night of June 26, when the girl disappeared, and was a suspect in the attempted sexual assault of a child in 2000.

According to Sheriff's department documents, investigators took a number of items from the search of the homes and yards, including used condoms, a disposable camera, black electrical tape, a rifle, and newspaper articles about the girl's disappearance.

Saturday dozens headed for McCleary to continue the search for Lindsey. Volunteers said they'd like to see the family get some answers. "I just want there to be a peace so this family can find out where she's at" said Megan Griensewic.

The girl's mother, Melssa Baum, admits the last few months have been a nightmare "it's tough but we have to keep going, I'm not going to stop looking for her." Baum says Saturday's search was the largest turnout of volunteers they've had since the girl went missing. About 80 people showed up, some came from as far away as Renton. "It feels wonderful I'm immensely grateful to everybody" Baum said.


http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-100309-missingmclearygirl,0,7030899.story

I hate to even ask this question because I know you have researched this case to the nth degree, but is it possible they are stating that since they are facing a lawsuit from the family at this point.
I'm wondering why only the words"person of interest"is in quote marks and not the whole sentence"A man whose family owns two homes searched in connection with missing 11-year old Lindsey Baum is no longer a "person of interest" and there is no named LE stating this,just a general GHCSO?
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« Reply #1845 on: October 04, 2009, 01:24:21 PM »

No "Person of Interest" in McCleary Case

After confirming they were looking at him, Police change their tune and say they don't have hard evidence linking him to the case

Web Reporter
October 3, 2009

 
MCCLEARY - A man whose family owns two homes searched in connection with missing 11-year old Lindsey Baum is no longer a "person of interest," according to the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office. One day after investigators confirmed they were looking at the man, they backed-off that label.

The sheriff's office served search warrants last weekend on the two McCleary, WA homes and yards., and the man's car. Investigators say that evidence is now being analyzed at several crime labs. It could take months to get answers and there's still a chance the evidence could implicate the man whose homes were searched.

According to court documents, the man in question changed his story about where he was working on the night of June 26, when the girl disappeared, and was a suspect in the attempted sexual assault of a child in 2000.

According to Sheriff's department documents, investigators took a number of items from the search of the homes and yards, including used condoms, a disposable camera, black electrical tape, a rifle, and newspaper articles about the girl's disappearance.

Saturday dozens headed for McCleary to continue the search for Lindsey. Volunteers said they'd like to see the family get some answers. "I just want there to be a peace so this family can find out where she's at" said Megan Griensewic.

The girl's mother, Melssa Baum, admits the last few months have been a nightmare "it's tough but we have to keep going, I'm not going to stop looking for her." Baum says Saturday's search was the largest turnout of volunteers they've had since the girl went missing. About 80 people showed up, some came from as far away as Renton. "It feels wonderful I'm immensely grateful to everybody" Baum said.


http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-100309-missingmclearygirl,0,7030899.story

I hate to even ask this question because I know you have researched this case to the nth degree, but is it possible they are stating that since they are facing a lawsuit from the family at this point.

They have no evidence is the reason.  I've stated everything as to how I know about this and what I know about it all.  I think it didn't take long for the police to figure it out either once people started saying they had never said what that warrant said they said.  They also found nothing, the dogs hit on nothing, the statements they had people saying in the search warrant probable cause, they people never said that at all.  His gf went on the news saying she never said it.  People were shocked it was said things they never said.  No matter what anyone wishes to believe he has credible witnesses who knows where he was both before and after the time lindesy went missing, with no times in between time he is not accounted for.

Someone wanted this kid to be the perp, they did everything to make him be the perp, but he isn't.  That is all there really is to it.  I was watching it happen for the most part. I'll say it again, it's all ridiculous.  You all know how much I research, and if I thought for one minute there were a chance at all he was the perp, I would tear him apart.  He's not it.  Someone was trying their best to make him "fit", and they were trying to make up thing to "make" him fit, and why they police would write out that so and so said this or that when they never said it at all, is beyond me, but they did. And not for just ONE of the poeople on the probable cause but for most all of them.  Now that is just plain bizarre, but it is exactly what happened.  I think the police really want this case solved... But they really need to get the RIGHT person.

I an others who are working with me are compiling everything at this time and once we have it all organized we will do something with it.  So I don't have any time beginning tomorrow, so if you don't see me answering you, that is why.  We have to get back to the work and focus on that now.  And hopefully, something happened about where I wanted searched. If not, then I have to find out how to get that info out here too.  But first there is someone I promised ( a professional) that I would not share certain info, so I have to get that straighted out as well...

so I have a ton of stuff to do, so please don't think I am avoiding answering you.  I just do not have time.   
Hopefully the LE didn't use the same dogs that didn't pick up Lindsey's scent on Maple street.
I know you won't answer me but I'll ask anyway.DD,how do you feel about Dale the 14 yo showing porn to the kids he was babysitting(including his younger brother Adam)and attempting to rape a 12 yo girl he was also babysitting?Or did that not happen either?
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« Reply #1846 on: October 04, 2009, 01:31:45 PM »

Karma, I'm not DD, but I know one thing, I'm very upset by that behavior and that is putting it mildly. I believe it happened, and I believe the girls mother made a big mistake by not doing something about it. I read and I guess to some degree understand why she didn't do more. But anyone who shows porn to children while babysitting is bad enough, but then what else he did to the 12 year old    I will say it again, I have a bad feeling, something else was done to a girl, I have no proof of anything, just my feelings. 
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« Reply #1847 on: October 04, 2009, 01:40:57 PM »

I'm the last person that wants to see a person railroaded of a crime, but it is hard for me to imagine that some of the things said about Dale in the SW isn't the truth, it just can't be all lies, I'm not buying it. And I know a person isn't supposed to go by looks of a person, but I do it, and I'm sure I'm not the only one, Dale is creepy to me, period. I want and need to hear more, and will be waiting to read your info DD.
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« Reply #1848 on: October 04, 2009, 01:43:05 PM »

Saw this posted on Oct 3 by Tamra on Dale's GF's myspace:

TO ALL YOU NOSY PEOPLE, I AM VERY PISSED OFF RIGHT KNOW!! I AM T.T. THAT YOU HAVE LISTED IN YOUR FORUM......AS FOR MY SON BEING IN THE MILITARY HE LEFT THE 1ST OF JAN., NOT SHORTLY AFTER LINDSEY DISSAPEARED!! WHEN LINDSEY DISAPPEARED HE WAS 2 MILES OUT OF MOSUL, IRAQ SO YOU NEED TO GET YOUR DAMN STORY STRAIGHT!! AS FOR A.G. HE WAS TO LEAVE IN JULY AND HE DIDN'T LEAVE DUE TO NOT MAKING WEIGHT!! SO LETS GET BACK TO THE RIGHT TRACK!! IT'S LINDSEY WE ARE LOOKING FOR!!


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Tamra is Tamra White,Tena Golder's sis-in-law(the one who used to or still does live across the road from the Golder's).Tamra's son must have went into the service this past January so AG(Dale's younger brother)is either now in the service(I thought I saw a picture of AG in is service clothes)or he has was scheduled to leave in July,didn't make weight and is now in the service.
So again,if all of that is true,who was the 4th adult LE questioned at the Golder home?
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« Reply #1849 on: October 04, 2009, 01:52:06 PM »

Saw this posted on Oct 3 by Tamra on Dale's GF's myspace:

TO ALL YOU NOSY PEOPLE, I AM VERY PISSED OFF RIGHT KNOW!! I AM T.T. THAT YOU HAVE LISTED IN YOUR FORUM......AS FOR MY SON BEING IN THE MILITARY HE LEFT THE 1ST OF JAN., NOT SHORTLY AFTER LINDSEY DISSAPEARED!! WHEN LINDSEY DISAPPEARED HE WAS 2 MILES OUT OF MOSUL, IRAQ SO YOU NEED TO GET YOUR DAMN STORY STRAIGHT!! AS FOR A.G. HE WAS TO LEAVE IN JULY AND HE DIDN'T LEAVE DUE TO NOT MAKING WEIGHT!! SO LETS GET BACK TO THE RIGHT TRACK!! IT'S LINDSEY WE ARE LOOKING FOR!!


Thanks Donuts
Tamra is Tamra White,Tena Golder's sis-in-law(the one who used to or still does live across the road from the Golder's).Tamra's son must have went into the service this past January so AG(Dale's younger brother)is either now in the service(I thought I saw a picture of AG in is service clothes)or he has was scheduled to leave in July,didn't make weight and is now in the service.
So again,if all of that is true,who was the 4th adult LE questioned at the Golder home?
Wish we knew, and I suppose the other son is named Adam, hence the Adam12 nic at IS?
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« Reply #1850 on: October 04, 2009, 01:57:44 PM »

forgive me but i have questions...
1  who has a 14 yearold boy babysit a 12 year old girl?
2 who's house was he at?  his own?  theirs?
3 did the porn get brought over?  was it there all ready?

the only reason i have an issue with this is 'cause babycrazy is 5 but in years if i ever find her barricaded in her room and crying with an older boy (2 years = older) after i made him walk funny for the rest of his days i would be on the horn with the po po. 

not this non-reporting of stuff.
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« Reply #1851 on: October 04, 2009, 02:00:48 PM »

forgive me but i have questions...
1  who has a 14 yearold boy babysit a 12 year old girl?
2 who's house was he at?  his own?  theirs?
3 did the porn get brought over?  was it there all ready?

the only reason i have an issue with this is 'cause babycrazy is 5 but in years if i ever find her barricaded in her room and crying with an older boy (2 years = older) after i made him walk funny for the rest of his days i would be on the horn with the po po. 

not this non-reporting of stuff.
All that has been said, is the girl and her brother's mom is/was friends with Dale's mom. That poor girl I can imagine how traumatized she is, thank God he didn't rape her, but just the fear of all that was going on  I also would have callen the cops, but she had her reasons not too, but I bet if she could do it over she would do it differently.
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« Reply #1852 on: October 04, 2009, 02:01:29 PM »

No "Person of Interest" in McCleary Case

After confirming they were looking at him, Police change their tune and say they don't have hard evidence linking him to the case

Web Reporter
October 3, 2009

 
MCCLEARY - A man whose family owns two homes searched in connection with missing 11-year old Lindsey Baum is no longer a "person of interest," according to the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office. One day after investigators confirmed they were looking at the man, they backed-off that label.

The sheriff's office served search warrants last weekend on the two McCleary, WA homes and yards., and the man's car. Investigators say that evidence is now being analyzed at several crime labs. It could take months to get answers and there's still a chance the evidence could implicate the man whose homes were searched.

According to court documents, the man in question changed his story about where he was working on the night of June 26, when the girl disappeared, and was a suspect in the attempted sexual assault of a child in 2000.

According to Sheriff's department documents, investigators took a number of items from the search of the homes and yards, including used condoms, a disposable camera, black electrical tape, a rifle, and newspaper articles about the girl's disappearance.

Saturday dozens headed for McCleary to continue the search for Lindsey. Volunteers said they'd like to see the family get some answers. "I just want there to be a peace so this family can find out where she's at" said Megan Griensewic.

The girl's mother, Melssa Baum, admits the last few months have been a nightmare "it's tough but we have to keep going, I'm not going to stop looking for her." Baum says Saturday's search was the largest turnout of volunteers they've had since the girl went missing. About 80 people showed up, some came from as far away as Renton. "It feels wonderful I'm immensely grateful to everybody" Baum said.


http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-100309-missingmclearygirl,0,7030899.story

I hate to even ask this question because I know you have researched this case to the nth degree, but is it possible they are stating that since they are facing a lawsuit from the family at this point.
I'm wondering why only the words"person of interest"is in quote marks and not the whole sentence"A man whose family owns two homes searched in connection with missing 11-year old Lindsey Baum is no longer a "person of interest" and there is no named LE stating this,just a general GHCSO?

OK Karma.  I give up.  What is "a general GHCSO".

 

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« Reply #1853 on: October 04, 2009, 02:04:24 PM »

Karma, I'm not DD, but I know one thing, I'm very upset by that behavior and that is putting it mildly. I believe it happened, and I believe the girls mother made a big mistake by not doing something about it. I read and I guess to some degree understand why she didn't do more. But anyone who shows porn to children while babysitting is bad enough, but then what else he did to the 12 year old    I will say it again, I have a bad feeling, something else was done to a girl, I have no proof of anything, just my feelings. 
I am right with you in your thinking NoRose.Yes,we may be overly paranoid but to me Dale's teen behavior sounds like a predator in the making.
Also,I will never understand a Mom who would cover up this type of behavior....either the girls Mom or Dale's Mom.
Who exactly is protecting our children?   
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« Reply #1854 on: October 04, 2009, 02:05:50 PM »

I still cannot get past the fact that if DG took Lindsey and she is no longer with us (which I pray is not the case), why in the world would he start following Mom Baum around. It was a huge risk at best and am I missing something? I know perps like to insert themselves into cases but this goes above and beyond that. Was he trying to intimidate her and if so, why? It is driving me bonkers!
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« Reply #1855 on: October 04, 2009, 02:07:16 PM »

Saw this posted on Oct 3 by Tamra on Dale's GF's myspace:

TO ALL YOU NOSY PEOPLE, I AM VERY PISSED OFF RIGHT KNOW!! I AM T.T. THAT YOU HAVE LISTED IN YOUR FORUM......AS FOR MY SON BEING IN THE MILITARY HE LEFT THE 1ST OF JAN., NOT SHORTLY AFTER LINDSEY DISSAPEARED!! WHEN LINDSEY DISAPPEARED HE WAS 2 MILES OUT OF MOSUL, IRAQ SO YOU NEED TO GET YOUR DAMN STORY STRAIGHT!! AS FOR A.G. HE WAS TO LEAVE IN JULY AND HE DIDN'T LEAVE DUE TO NOT MAKING WEIGHT!! SO LETS GET BACK TO THE RIGHT TRACK!! IT'S LINDSEY WE ARE LOOKING FOR!!


Thanks Donuts
Tamra is Tamra White,Tena Golder's sis-in-law(the one who used to or still does live across the road from the Golder's).Tamra's son must have went into the service this past January so AG(Dale's younger brother)is either now in the service(I thought I saw a picture of AG in is service clothes)or he has was scheduled to leave in July,didn't make weight and is now in the service.
So again,if all of that is true,who was the 4th adult LE questioned at the Golder home?
Wish we knew, and I suppose the other son is named Adam, hence the Adam12 nic at IS?
Aah NoRose,I never connected that Adam12 to AG(good thinking!),just to Kona....hhhhmmmmm......
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« Reply #1856 on: October 04, 2009, 02:07:24 PM »

i feel ya no rose.  im at the point where im just
And why would Dale feel the urge to follow Melissa Baum? I'm going to walk the dog and try to digest this 



Dunno...possible intimidation???? Your checking me out so I'm gonna follow you too and scare you or a ginuine feeling of someone out to get him?  It's anyone's ballgame at this point.  But I still don't like the KaraK to MB timing according to them.  Want them checked more.  What families aren't raked over the coals several times before even looking for a perp.  These peeps were looked at for only a hot minute.
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« Reply #1857 on: October 04, 2009, 02:08:18 PM »

Karma, I'm not DD, but I know one thing, I'm very upset by that behavior and that is putting it mildly. I believe it happened, and I believe the girls mother made a big mistake by not doing something about it. I read and I guess to some degree understand why she didn't do more. But anyone who shows porn to children while babysitting is bad enough, but then what else he did to the 12 year old    I will say it again, I have a bad feeling, something else was done to a girl, I have no proof of anything, just my feelings. 
I am right with you in your thinking NoRose.Yes,we may be overly paranoid but to me Dale's teen behavior sounds like a predator in the making.
Also,I will never understand a Mom who would cover up this type of behavior....either the girls Mom or Dale's Mom.
Who exactly is protecting our children?   
I just have way to many questions about all this, and if someone in town is trying to pin this on Dale, why? What has he or his family done to other people in town that they would go after him? There has to be a reason, and the issues between the family and the judge is not enough for me.
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« Reply #1858 on: October 04, 2009, 02:12:49 PM »

i could kick any 'friend' to the curb if their kid was hurting mine.  in a second.  heartbeat.   friendship holds no water if my kid is in danger.
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« Reply #1859 on: October 04, 2009, 02:14:56 PM »

i could kick any 'friend' to the curb if their kid was hurting mine.  in a second.  heartbeat.   friendship holds no water if my kid is in danger.
Agreed, did she think the watching of porno was proper? Wonder the ages of the other two kids that Dale was babysitting for?
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