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« Reply #1900 on: October 04, 2009, 02:55:32 PM »

Just to add to the questions.  Wonder who Dale was babysitting that eventful day he tried to have sex with the 12 year old?.  Maybe a relative?  Some one in the neghborhood?  Could explain why the mother did not press charges against him.  Just wondering.  A bigger question is "Anyone here feel like we may be being played like a fiddle"?  Something is not right.  Reading past posts and putting 2 and 2 together,  I find some interesting post timelines.  Makes me feel like some posters may even be in the same cube?   
Hmmmmm.....I do feel like I'm in a rubeks cube sometimes 
Hi Karma.  I mean same cubical as in LE cubical???  Only way to explain some of the posts and things that happen here.  IMO
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« Reply #1901 on: October 04, 2009, 02:57:39 PM »

So porn magazines are not listed on the SW receipts.  Where did that info come from?

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« Reply #1902 on: October 04, 2009, 02:59:34 PM »

Here is the part of the SW regarding the 12 year old girl/babysitting situation:

Investigators then contacted_______________. She stated that in 2000 she and her two brothers were being babysat by Golder. She said her mother was good friends with Tena Golder. She said that while Golder watched pornographic videos and had her, her brothers and Dales younger brother watch the videos. He asked her to have sex with him and she refused. One day he took her to his room and barricaded the door with a large dresser. He removed her pants and the removed his pants and tried to have sexual intercourse with her. She said that she cried and struggled and after two hours he released her. She said she told friends about what happened whom she believed told school officials at Elma school district. It was reported to the police. Her mother found out about the incident. _______said her mother told her it would be her word against his and discouraged her from telling the police the truth. When the police officer spoke to her she said she told him nothing happened.

Thanks Leroy
Bolded above is a strange sentence:

She said that while Golder watched pornographic videos and had her, her brothers and Dales younger brother watch the videos.

This sounds like it happened more than one time.While the kids watched porn Dale asked her to have sex with him,she refused.

Then one day he trapped her in his bedroom.So this happened at the Golder house.
Didn't I read somewhere that LE took a lot of kids clothes in the search warrant and someone from the Golder family stated that they have had like 15-20 children come through their home in the past years?
Does anyone know if Kona is a foster Mom?(please say no)

Hi Karma,
I would like to know the answer to this question myself! I also have wondered if maybe Jessy (the SO that lives near DG) is a foster child?
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« Reply #1903 on: October 04, 2009, 03:00:13 PM »

Karma - this is what DD said regarding the kids clothes:

Childrens Clothing
***bag of children's clothing; lived there 15 years; left          clothing there; had over 20 kids living there through the years

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6206.0
Thanks Leroy,you are quick!Or I'm just really slow lol

Wait,was the search warrant combined for both Golder properties?And all the stuff they took would have been from both properties correct?

This sounds like the children's clothes were taken from the abandoned property.I wonder why so many kids lived there.
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« Reply #1904 on: October 04, 2009, 03:07:54 PM »

So porn magazines are not listed on the SW receipts.  Where did that info come from?

Family Says They Are Unfairly Targeted In McCleary Search
Posted: 4:29 pm PDT September 28, 2009
Updated: 7:40 pm PDT September 28, 2009


Law enforcement sources told KIRO 7 that among the evidence collected during the search were condoms and pornographic magazines. A car was also seized and will undergo further forensic testing.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21142578/detail.html
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« Reply #1905 on: October 04, 2009, 03:08:46 PM »

Here is the part of the SW regarding the 12 year old girl/babysitting situation:

Investigators then contacted_______________. She stated that in 2000 she and her two brothers were being babysat by Golder. She said her mother was good friends with Tena Golder. She said that while Golder watched pornographic videos and had her, her brothers and Dales younger brother watch the videos. He asked her to have sex with him and she refused. One day he took her to his room and barricaded the door with a large dresser. He removed her pants and the removed his pants and tried to have sexual intercourse with her. She said that she cried and struggled and after two hours he released her. She said she told friends about what happened whom she believed told school officials at Elma school district. It was reported to the police. Her mother found out about the incident. _______said her mother told her it would be her word against his and discouraged her from telling the police the truth. When the police officer spoke to her she said she told him nothing happened.

Thanks Leroy
Bolded above is a strange sentence:

She said that while Golder watched pornographic videos and had her, her brothers and Dales younger brother watch the videos.

This sounds like it happened more than one time.While the kids watched porn Dale asked her to have sex with him,she refused.

Then one day he trapped her in his bedroom.So this happened at the Golder house.
Didn't I read somewhere that LE took a lot of kids clothes in the search warrant and someone from the Golder family stated that they have had like 15-20 children come through their home in the past years?
Does anyone know if Kona is a foster Mom?(please say no)
I've been wondering that also, she must be, otherwise why so many kids coming through the home in the past years?    Leroy, I love your avi 
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« Reply #1906 on: October 04, 2009, 03:12:29 PM »

So porn magazines are not listed on the SW receipts.  Where did that info come from?

Family Says They Are Unfairly Targeted In McCleary Search
Posted: 4:29 pm PDT September 28, 2009
Updated: 7:40 pm PDT September 28, 2009


Law enforcement sources told KIRO 7 that among the evidence collected during the search were condoms and pornographic magazines. A car was also seized and will undergo further forensic testing.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21142578/detail.html

Thanks Janet.  So this article is incorrect.  Wonder why the media reported that.

At any rate, even if they did find porn mags, I dont think it means much...IMO.
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« Reply #1907 on: October 04, 2009, 03:12:49 PM »

 
So porn magazines are not listed on the SW receipts.  Where did that info come from?


i still want to know who works at that newspaper. 
REALLY i want to know.
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« Reply #1908 on: October 04, 2009, 03:13:22 PM »

In searching for SO's in the area and their history I came across this   

7 indicted for child porn found at sex offender center
05:25 PM PDT on Thursday, September 17, 2009

SEATTLE - Seven more residents of Washington's Special Commitment Center for sex offenders pleaded not guilty Thursday to federal charges of possessing child pornography.

The indictments were unsealed Thursday in U.S. District Court in Seattle. The documents don't specify how the men supposedly obtained the child porn.

"Almost all the people charged possessed hundreds of images of child pornography. One in particular possessed over a thousand images. A majority of the images were in digital format. Some of them had printed out images as well," said Jill Otake, Asst. U.S. Attorney. She says many of the images were on CD's, DVD and on computer hard drives.

It's been an ongoing mystery at the center on McNeil Island. At least four other sex offenders have faced child porn charges before, and officials have said they don't know about the source.

The center is where the worst rapists and molesters go when they finish their prison sentences. You have to be classified a sexually violent predator to be locked up there. It does have personal computers with no access to the internet. The U.S. Attorney's Office says the men were able to view the smuggled porn on those same computers.

U.S. Attorney Jeff Sullivan would not give specifics about how the child porn got onto the island because it is still under investigation, but he says the mail system was involved.

"We have authority to fan their mail, but we can't even touch it. They fan it in front of us," said Kelly Cunningham, Special Commitment Center Superintendent.

Here's the catch: Those living at McNeil Island have been convicted in court and have served their sentences. So, by the law's standards, they are civilly committed, not criminals. That gives them rights that regular prison inmates may not have.

MORE.....


http://www.king5.com/localnews/south/stories/NW_091709WAB-AP-child-porn-sex-offender-center-TP.18c676f16.html
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« Reply #1909 on: October 04, 2009, 03:15:54 PM »

Karma - this is what DD said regarding the kids clothes:

Childrens Clothing
***bag of children's clothing; lived there 15 years; left          clothing there; had over 20 kids living there through the years

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6206.0
Thanks Leroy,you are quick!Or I'm just really slow lol

Wait,was the search warrant combined for both Golder properties?And all the stuff they took would have been from both properties correct?

This sounds like the children's clothes were taken from the abandoned property.I wonder why so many kids lived there.

No problem Karma.  I am actually reading that thread right now and happened to just get to that part. 

Yes the SW was for both properties.  DD listed which items were found at which property.  Also, I didnt read far enough and answered one of my questions...here is what DD posted over there as well:

This is the abandoned house.  It was left about 5 years ago with a lot of stuff left there.  There has been people breaking in there over the years and even transients staying in there.  Someone even went in and tore the wiring out of the ceiling and the power company disconnected at the pole. 

They have had problems keeping people out of there.  It's known there are people going in and out of there illegally. 

The porn magazines are not on any list... but I am told there use to be an bunch of old 1970's playboys/similar(kind sold in stores) which use to belong to older relative.  No one has lived in that house for about 5 years.  So why they was said in the news ???? sensationalism I guess???
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« Reply #1910 on: October 04, 2009, 03:16:02 PM »

Here is the part of the SW regarding the 12 year old girl/babysitting situation:

Investigators then contacted_______________. She stated that in 2000 she and her two brothers were being babysat by Golder. She said her mother was good friends with Tena Golder. She said that while Golder watched pornographic videos and had her, her brothers and Dales younger brother watch the videos. He asked her to have sex with him and she refused. One day he took her to his room and barricaded the door with a large dresser. He removed her pants and the removed his pants and tried to have sexual intercourse with her. She said that she cried and struggled and after two hours he released her. She said she told friends about what happened whom she believed told school officials at Elma school district. It was reported to the police. Her mother found out about the incident. _______said her mother told her it would be her word against his and discouraged her from telling the police the truth. When the police officer spoke to her she said she told him nothing happened.

Thanks Leroy
Bolded above is a strange sentence:

She said that while Golder watched pornographic videos and had her, her brothers and Dales younger brother watch the videos.

This sounds like it happened more than one time.While the kids watched porn Dale asked her to have sex with him,she refused.

Then one day he trapped her in his bedroom.So this happened at the Golder house.
Didn't I read somewhere that LE took a lot of kids clothes in the search warrant and someone from the Golder family stated that they have had like 15-20 children come through their home in the past years?
Does anyone know if Kona is a foster Mom?(please say no)

Hi Karma,
I would like to know the answer to this question myself! I also have wondered if maybe Jessy (the SO that lives near DG) is a foster child?
That is possible,Jessy could be a foster child but if he was being fostered by the Golder's he no longer is.I think Jessy is 16 years old.
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« Reply #1911 on: October 04, 2009, 03:16:06 PM »

So porn magazines are not listed on the SW receipts.  Where did that info come from?

Family Says They Are Unfairly Targeted In McCleary Search
Posted: 4:29 pm PDT September 28, 2009
Updated: 7:40 pm PDT September 28, 2009


Law enforcement sources told KIRO 7 that among the evidence collected during the search were condoms and pornographic magazines. A car was also seized and will undergo further forensic testing.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21142578/detail.html

Thanks Janet.  So this article is incorrect.  Wonder why the media reported that.

At any rate, even if they did find porn mags, I dont think it means much...IMO.

I remember reading about the condoms - 3 found in sunroom with liquid inside
as well as the porn mags, IIRC they were years old.  Let me go search for that.
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« Reply #1912 on: October 04, 2009, 03:18:37 PM »

In searching for SO's in the area and their history I came across this   

7 indicted for child porn found at sex offender center
05:25 PM PDT on Thursday, September 17, 2009

SEATTLE - Seven more residents of Washington's Special Commitment Center for sex offenders pleaded not guilty Thursday to federal charges of possessing child pornography.

The indictments were unsealed Thursday in U.S. District Court in Seattle. The documents don't specify how the men supposedly obtained the child porn.

"Almost all the people charged possessed hundreds of images of child pornography. One in particular possessed over a thousand images. A majority of the images were in digital format. Some of them had printed out images as well," said Jill Otake, Asst. U.S. Attorney. She says many of the images were on CD's, DVD and on computer hard drives.

It's been an ongoing mystery at the center on McNeil Island. At least four other sex offenders have faced child porn charges before, and officials have said they don't know about the source.

The center is where the worst rapists and molesters go when they finish their prison sentences. You have to be classified a sexually violent predator to be locked up there. It does have personal computers with no access to the internet. The U.S. Attorney's Office says the men were able to view the smuggled porn on those same computers.

U.S. Attorney Jeff Sullivan would not give specifics about how the child porn got onto the island because it is still under investigation, but he says the mail system was involved.

"We have authority to fan their mail, but we can't even touch it. They fan it in front of us," said Kelly Cunningham, Special Commitment Center Superintendent.

Here's the catch: Those living at McNeil Island have been convicted in court and have served their sentences. So, by the law's standards, they are civilly committed, not criminals. That gives them rights that regular prison inmates may not have.

MORE.....


http://www.king5.com/localnews/south/stories/NW_091709WAB-AP-child-porn-sex-offender-center-TP.18c676f16.html

omg wtf?  someone got it to them?   
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« Reply #1913 on: October 04, 2009, 03:19:08 PM »

I've been wondering that also, she must be, otherwise why so many kids coming through the home in the past years?    Leroy, I love your avi 

Thanks NoRose - I love it too   
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« Reply #1914 on: October 04, 2009, 03:23:41 PM »

In searching for SO's in the area and their history I came across this   

7 indicted for child porn found at sex offender center
05:25 PM PDT on Thursday, September 17, 2009

SEATTLE - Seven more residents of Washington's Special Commitment Center for sex offenders pleaded not guilty Thursday to federal charges of possessing child pornography.

The indictments were unsealed Thursday in U.S. District Court in Seattle. The documents don't specify how the men supposedly obtained the child porn.

"Almost all the people charged possessed hundreds of images of child pornography. One in particular possessed over a thousand images. A majority of the images were in digital format. Some of them had printed out images as well," said Jill Otake, Asst. U.S. Attorney. She says many of the images were on CD's, DVD and on computer hard drives.

It's been an ongoing mystery at the center on McNeil Island. At least four other sex offenders have faced child porn charges before, and officials have said they don't know about the source.

The center is where the worst rapists and molesters go when they finish their prison sentences. You have to be classified a sexually violent predator to be locked up there. It does have personal computers with no access to the internet. The U.S. Attorney's Office says the men were able to view the smuggled porn on those same computers.

U.S. Attorney Jeff Sullivan would not give specifics about how the child porn got onto the island because it is still under investigation, but he says the mail system was involved.

"We have authority to fan their mail, but we can't even touch it. They fan it in front of us," said Kelly Cunningham, Special Commitment Center Superintendent.

Here's the catch: Those living at McNeil Island have been convicted in court and have served their sentences. So, by the law's standards, they are civilly committed, not criminals. That gives them rights that regular prison inmates may not have.

MORE.....


http://www.king5.com/localnews/south/stories/NW_091709WAB-AP-child-porn-sex-offender-center-TP.18c676f16.html

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« Reply #1915 on: October 04, 2009, 03:24:03 PM »

So porn magazines are not listed on the SW receipts.  Where did that info come from?


the newspaper
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« Reply #1916 on: October 04, 2009, 03:26:00 PM »

  Another thing about DG that makes me go  was looking at his bulletin board on his myspace, many of the "bumper stickers" talked about choking the bitch and mass murder etc., reminded me of Casey Anthony's website.
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« Reply #1917 on: October 04, 2009, 03:29:53 PM »

Just to add to the questions.  Wonder who Dale was babysitting that eventful day he tried to have sex with the 12 year old?.  Maybe a relative?  Some one in the neghborhood?  Could explain why the mother did not press charges against him.  Just wondering.  A bigger question is "Anyone here feel like we may be being played like a fiddle"?  Something is not right.  Reading past posts and putting 2 and 2 together,  I find some interesting post timelines.  Makes me feel like some posters may even be in the same cube?   
Hmmmmm.....I do feel like I'm in a rubeks cube sometimes 
Hi Karma.  I mean same cubical as in LE cubical???  Only way to explain some of the posts and things that happen here.  IMO

Sorry shortcake, but I'm still not sure what you mean.  If you think that some are feeling strongly for or against  certain people, well yes I suppose.

Personally, I go back and forth on everyone right now.  The "who to believe" in all this is crazy.


Leroy  I went back and looked at the myestrious release of the Harry Oakes email amd have determined it looks like it was all set-up.  Emails from Harry actually started day before Janet got hers.  Very suspicious don't you think.  Lots more.

What do you find suspicious shortcake?

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Harry can only be hired by family or LE.

He can only give what he finds to the family or LE

He as a business is required to sign a contract concerning his fees and confidentiality about his findings.

I am not LE

Yes I am a local

I am upset ... mostly because now you are going to have ppl that don't know what they are doing that read these forums out there in the vicinity disturbing possible evidence because they have not been taught what to look for and to not touch anything !!

per his emails :

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To: "Harry Oakes" ((edit))
Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 5:28 PM


Harry,
 
I just heard that you may have been the private search team that came up here looking for clues about Lindsey.
 
I hope they were right and that you were able to find anything that would help bring her home.

 If the rumor is wrong please let me know so I can set them straight on the online forums.
 
 
Hope you had a great weekend
 


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From: Harry Oakes
Date: 9/7/2009 8:37:01 PM

Subject: Re: Lindsey Baum
     
I've donated  33.20 hours traveling a total of 910 miles
Donating $7000.00 in services to this search. All of my findings have been turned over to the McCleary City PD and FBI.
thanks
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To: "Harry Oakes" ((edit))
Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 9:14 PM


 I personally want to say thank you !!
 
All help is greatly appreciated and I am so glad that they contacted you finally to help with the search for Lindsey.
 
My heart sinks everyday that she is not home with her mother.
 
Thank You Harry !!
 
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From: Harry Oakes
Date: 9/8/2009 1:19:49 AM

Subject: Re: Lindsey Baum
     
Mine too
thank you
harry

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.msg936546#msg936546


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RE: LINDSEY BAUM SEARCH‏
From:  Harry Oakes (harry98632@yahoo.com
Sent: September 8, 2009 12:12:42 PM[/b

we actually tracked up to Beck St then NE To a logging atv road and our search continues there. So far we've located two empty beer bottles, and a track (Scent trail) heading east 6 miles on either a motor cycle or ATV.

we are also (the search dogs) picking up a dead human alert 1/2 mile East of Beck the winds are coming from the south. I can't tell you about anything else we've found. That's been handed over to the McCleary Police.

Note: The death scent on a dead human could be from any "Dead Human" that has died in the area. Not neccessarily the missing child's scent.

Harry

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6118.0
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« Reply #1918 on: October 04, 2009, 03:33:39 PM »

I so do have a problem with TG going on the boards and posting after her son was questioned. You can read here or over at InSession without a membership. If she just wanted to do some sleuthing, she / they could just read. Also, public opinion on boards isn't going to make or break a case.
.. And wasn't there another search recently, around the old Feeser property ? Where we were told they took a bed ?   
That is why I am of two minds here and I think I just have to take a wait and see position. DG is not an SO nor is he registered as such. LE has probably looked at some SO's and RSO's around there who are also likely candidates based on their pasts. And been working down their lists. That is only effective if they are all living where they are registered at. In the John Evander Coeuy ( Jessica Lunsford ), he was not registered as living kitty corner from Jessica. And yet he was. LE down there started with a small circle
and then increased the size of that circle for RSO's. They went to Couey's last known address and found out that he wasn't there any longer. That started it and the chain came back to a relative of his where he had been staying. By that time, he was gone, but they found him and we all know the rest of that terrible story. Oh and a relative bought him a bus ticket out of town.
And sometimes LE and these other agencies can be stupid as in the Jaycee case.
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« Reply #1919 on: October 04, 2009, 03:34:07 PM »

So porn magazines are not listed on the SW receipts.  Where did that info come from?

According to KIRO 7 ... the info came from LE.  Is the actual list of seized items listed on the search warrant?

Thanks.

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Family Says They Are Unfairly Targeted In McCleary Search
Posted: 4:29 pm PDT September 28, 2009
Updated: 7:40 pm PDT September 28, 2009


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http://www.kirotv.com/news/21142578/detail.html
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