Jaycee Dugard kidnapped 18 years ago So Lake Tahoe, CA FOUND ALIVE / 2 arrested

[joesamas mama]

I wasn't going to post, but after reading about the neighbor that saw the men standing in line at the tent, I felt that I needed to say something.

Shame on the neighbor if he saw this going on and didn't say anything. 

But also I wonder if the neighbors did talk and knew that the police had visited before and nothing was done when the one neighbor called. If so, I can see the neighbor man not calling the police because he probably thought that nothing would come of it. Not taking up of for the guy that said he would call if it got out of hand, just saying that maybe he knew nothing would be done to stop it. JMO JSM

Back to lurking... 

I understand what you are saying JSM, but this guy who repeatedly saw these lines of men going into a tent or shed, one at a time, and seeing their heads bobbing up and down, failed miserably as a neighbor and as a human being. All the signs of something horrible and illegal were there. He was more worried about his belongings and his property than an injustice to someone else. I'm so angry over this. 

I guess being a woman, I would have called, taken pictures, even crawled over the fence to see what was going on.  They don't call me Gladys Kravitz for nothing. Seriously, he should have (no offense Nut) nutted up and called the police. Makes me madder now just thinking about it.

You go girl!!  

OMG    Thank you for the laugh, it made me stop crying Tupelo.

[joesamas mama]

I know I said I was going to lurk, but just one more thing popped into my mind looking at the pics.

She was 11 when she was kidnapped, but she was reading grown up books. Who taught her to read at an adult level? The wife, the man? I am so confused on all this.

Plus, one more thing before I go back to lurkdome. The pictures of where Jaycee and the girls are horrific, but it looks to me like she tried to make a home for her and the girls. Seriously I have seen worse from adults that haven't been kept in a shed for 18 years.

I am so confused from all of this, just wondering if the Garrido guy knew it would come down sooner or later and planted this reading material, made it "look" homey in the tent, like they were just a happy family. I hope this makes sense. I am just so confused. TIA JSM

I would imagine that she had good reading skills to begin with. She was in what, 5th grade, when she was abducted. She most likely read a lot as she had no other choices, in the beginning anyway. And she ran the printing press in the back yard, so she knew what she was doing there as well, taking orders and such. Then once her children came along I bet she read to them as well as teaching them to the best of her knowledge. Of course the book selection definitely came from the monster.

Thanks Tupelo, I am not up to speed on this case, I thought he went to prison or something after she had been kidnapped. I was just wondering if the wife or whatever she is called, helped her out in her reading abilities. Just a pondering thought.

[pink angel]

Most newspapers are written at a fifth grade level. Harry Potter books are written at a grade five level.

One you learn how to read, how to sound out basic words. You only improve with practice.

An informal study found most of Stephen King's books tested at a 5th or 6th grade reading level on the Flesch-Kincaid scale. Where Mary Higgins Clark's books tested at a 5th grade reading level.

[pink angel]

Pervert Garrido may have snatched THREE more victims

By Tamara Cohen
Last updated at 1:52 AM on 31st August 2009

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Police fear three more schoolgirls who lived just a few miles from Phillip Garrido's home may have been his victims, it was reported last night.

Michaela Garecht, nine, Ilene Misheloff, 13, and four-year-old Amanda Campbell were all snatched from the street in daylight and their bodies have never been found.

A senior officer in the El Dorado Sheriff's Department confirmed the girls' abductions in the San Francisco Bay area were identical to Jaycee's kidnap.
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Michaele Garecht, 9, Amanda Campbell, 4, and Ilene Misheloff, 13 all disappeared in broad daylight but have never been found

Michaela went missing three months after paedophile Garrido, 58, was freed from jail after serving 10 years of a rape sentence in August 1988.

The blonde nine-year-old was forced into a man's car as she went to the shops near her home in Hayward, 30 miles from Antioch, and no trace was ever found. Her mother Sharon Murch said the discovery of Jaycee gave her fresh hope.

Two months later Ilene was abducted while walking home from school in the Dublin area, 25 miles from Garrido's home.

Six months after Jaycee's kidnap Amanda was snatched in Fairfield, 40 miles away, while cycling to a friend's house and her bike was found dumped in a field.

The police officer told The Sun: 'Within months of Garrido's release on parole a girl is abducted and then two more follow in quick succession. These cases have never been solved.

'The question we have to ask is 'Was Garrido the beast responsible for taking these three girls?'

Police have pledged to have search an acre of land at the back of Garrido's home covered in rusting cars and outhouses.

The officer added: 'If he brought one girl to his home, who is to say he didn't bring more? No stone can be left unturned.'

Garrido is under investigation for the murder of 15-year-old Lisa Norrell found strangled in November 1998 as she walked home from a party in Antioch.

Police also suspect that he may be linked to the disappearances of three more women, prostitutes who went missing in late 1998 and they are said to be reopening files on up to seven more.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1210130/Pervert-Garrido-snatched-THREE-victims.html

[pink angel]

I know I said I was going to lurk, but just one more thing popped into my mind looking at the pics.

She was 11 when she was kidnapped, but she was reading grown up books. Who taught her to read at an adult level? The wife, the man? I am so confused on all this.

Plus, one more thing before I go back to lurkdome. The pictures of where Jaycee and the girls are horrific, but it looks to me like she tried to make a home for her and the girls. Seriously I have seen worse from adults that haven't been kept in a shed for 18 years.

I am so confused from all of this, just wondering if the Garrido guy knew it would come down sooner or later and planted this reading material, made it "look" homey in the tent, like they were just a happy family. I hope this makes sense. I am just so confused. TIA JSM

I would imagine that she had good reading skills to begin with. She was in what, 5th grade, when she was abducted. She most likely read a lot as she had no other choices, in the beginning anyway. And she ran the printing press in the back yard, so she knew what she was doing there as well, taking orders and such. Then once her children came along I bet she read to them as well as teaching them to the best of her knowledge. Of course the book selection definitely came from the monster.

Thanks Tupelo, I am not up to speed on this case, I thought he went to prison or something after she had been kidnapped. I was just wondering if the wife or whatever she is called, helped her out in her reading abilities. Just a pondering thought.

Garrido was arrested again in Apr. 1993 because of another parole violation. The next month he was transferred to home detention and relieved of supervision in Aug. 1993.

So he was in custody from April - August of '93.

[pink angel]

I know I said I was going to lurk, but just one more thing popped into my mind looking at the pics.

She was 11 when she was kidnapped, but she was reading grown up books. Who taught her to read at an adult level? The wife, the man? I am so confused on all this.

Plus, one more thing before I go back to lurkdome. The pictures of where Jaycee and the girls are horrific, but it looks to me like she tried to make a home for her and the girls. Seriously I have seen worse from adults that haven't been kept in a shed for 18 years.

I am so confused from all of this, just wondering if the Garrido guy knew it would come down sooner or later and planted this reading material, made it "look" homey in the tent, like they were just a happy family. I hope this makes sense. I am just so confused. TIA JSM

I would imagine that she had good reading skills to begin with. She was in what, 5th grade, when she was abducted. She most likely read a lot as she had no other choices, in the beginning anyway. And she ran the printing press in the back yard, so she knew what she was doing there as well, taking orders and such. Then once her children came along I bet she read to them as well as teaching them to the best of her knowledge. Of course the book selection definitely came from the monster.

Thanks Tupelo, I am not up to speed on this case, I thought he went to prison or something after she had been kidnapped. I was just wondering if the wife or whatever she is called, helped her out in her reading abilities. Just a pondering thought.

Garrido was arrested again in Apr. 1993 because of another parole violation. The next month he was transferred to home detention and relieved of supervision in Aug. 1993.

So he was in custody from April - August of '93.

Correction April - May of '93

[San]

Dana Pretzer is talking to Clint Van Zandt.

Clint is talking about the Stockholm Syndrom.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

[N2WISHN]

Geraldo on the Fox channel is discussing the case with a neighbor that live next door.

[Gypsy DD]

I wasn't going to post, but after reading about the neighbor that saw the men standing in line at the tent, I felt that I needed to say something.

Shame on the neighbor if he saw this going on and didn't say anything. 

But also I wonder if the neighbors did talk and knew that the police had visited before and nothing was done when the one neighbor called. If so, I can see the neighbor man not calling the police because he probably thought that nothing would come of it. Not taking up of for the guy that said he would call if it got out of hand, just saying that maybe he knew nothing would be done to stop it. JMO JSM

Back to lurking... 

I agree JSM..atleast one neighbor we know of did speak up..and the LE didn't even go in the house , much less the backyard.

And the neighbors all seemed to talk and know he was an SO..even the neighborhood kids knew to stay away from him.  The neighbors may have felt that calling LE was useless..since he passed all these parole visits to his house.

Sounds like this police force didn't want to be bothered...nor his parole officer, until push came to shove..and the guy literally admitted what he did and Jaycee said who she was.  Thank God for the two women at Berkeley campus that had that gut feeling...

I'm thinking because Jaycee was compliant..which saved her life...he also felt something different for her then the prostitutes and any others he may have abused /murdered.  If his wife felt like she was their child..he may have known he couldn't cross the line to murder her....which is why he chose others to rape and murder in the meantime.  I am sure he was very abusive to her..but drew the line at killing her. 

[trimmonthelake]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,544523,00.html
Calif. Police Expand Search in Kidnapping Case

Monday, August 31, 2009
ANTIOCH, Calif. —  Armed with rakes, shovels and chain saws, about 20 officers on Sunday combed the backyard of a couple charged with kidnapping and raping Jaycee Lee Dugard and used cadaver dogs to search an adjoining property where neighbors say one of the suspects once served as a caretaker.

Sheriff's deputies and prosecutors from two counties and officers from two city police departments were using the dogs, shovels and other tools to inspect the neighboring yard, which sits behind an off-white house with a chain link fence.

"We do consider it a crime scene," said Jimmy Lee, a spokesman for the Contra Costa County Sheriff's Department.
Lee would not elaborate on what kind of evidence investigators were seeking or the nature of the possible crimes involving the second property. The link to the kidnapping case is that Phillip Garrido, the man charged with holding Dugard in captivity for 18 years in his own backyard, had access to the neighboring land when the house that sits on it was vacant three years ago.

"It looks like Garrido lived on the property in a shed," Lee said.

Dugard's stepfather Carl Probyn told FOX News' Geraldo Rivera that his daughter, now 29, is fragile and said he did not think she had tried to escape the backyard compound during her captivity.
"She survived 18 years. If she tried to climb the fence every day, she wouldn't be here today," Probyn said.
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[klaasend]

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[MsVada]

who arrested him in 93?  They never searched his property when they arrested him for parole violations?  WTF??  Again someone didn't do their job properly.  I see a lot of blame going around for this poor girl.  The neighbor disgusts me!

 There needs to be some law to make people who witness a potential wrong doing, and not report it held accountable for their failure to report.

  Maybe if people would stop minding their own business and do the right thing,  there would be more missing kids found, less rapes and other crimes deterred.

[trimmonthelake]

Klaas,I agree.   

[can]

Oh yes Klaas, I agree, a whole lot uglier!

In addition, I  have wondered from the beginning if the four year olds' might be twins from Jaycee's eldest girl - as I don't see how those girls could have been spared by this evil monster.

[Catbert]

Oh yes Klaas, I agree, a whole lot uglier!

In addition, I  have wondered from the beginning if the four year olds' might be twins from Jaycee's eldest girl - as I don't see how those girls could have been spared by this evil monster.

Especially since he alledges he has found his "cure" only in recent years -- not the last 15 years :'-(

[cookie]

snip from Klaas above post:

I have said from the beginning that she likely had more than 2 children by him.  I've also said the the 2 girs (11 &15) were probably also raped.  This story will get alot uglier by the time everything comes out IMO.  I'm so happy she and her girls are free now.

Yep...I agree...they will more than likely find some sign of other children on that property jmo...
and I would bet that the daughters were raped as well...this perv wouldn't be able to help himself...sickening to think about...

[trimmonthelake]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20090831/sc_livescience/jayceedugardabductioncasehighlightsfailureofpsychics
Jaycee Dugard Abduction Case Highlights Failure of Psychics
LiveScience.com benjamin Radford
livescience's Bad Science Columnist
livescience.com – 1 hr 50 mins ago

Jaycee Dugard, the woman who was abducted at the age of 11 in 1991, was recently discovered living in a virtual prison in the back yard of a couple's come in Antioch, Calif., as has been widely reported. She had been there for 18 years, confined and horrifically abused, even giving birth to her rapist's children. They were kept prisoner and isolated, never having attended school or seen a doctor.

Amazingly, a Reno psychic is now claiming the case proves the accuracy of her abilities.

Dayle Schear, who was paid by Jaycee's parents to help locate their daughter, says she told Jaycee's mother not to give up searching for her daughter: "I looked her in the eyes and I said... eventually she'll walk through the door, you're going to see her again."

Schear also claims that she correctly described the general area where Jaycee was being held. The psychic's "information" is typical of what happens when missing persons are eventually found, dead or alive. Psychics come forward years later after the person was found to make retroactive claims about how they "knew" certain pieces of information.
information.

Yet the psychics conveniently ignore the fact that their information was either wrong or so general and vague that it was useless. If Shear's psychic powers told her that this poor girl was being kept in the most horrific conditions - being subjected to continual sexual and physical abuse for nearly two decades - then it's puzzling that Jaycee was not found 18 years ago.

What police and searchers need is not general, vague "I told you so" information after the missing person has been recovered through police work, but accurate, useful information that leads police to the victim.

One common trick psychics use to make themselves appear accurate is to give very vague information open to later interpretation (most missing persons are likely to be found "near water," even if it's a lake, puddle, river, drain, etc.). When bodies are found it is always through accident or police work. Despite repeated claims to the contrary, there is not a single documented case of a missing person being found or recovered due solely to psychic information. In February 2004, Court TV launched a series about psychic detectives investigating cold cases "Haunting Evidence." The show was cancelled after three seasons, without having solved a single case.
The fact of the matter is that right now - as you are reading these words - it is virtually certain that somewhere in the world, one or more children are being held in exactly the same unimaginable conditions as Jaycee. Some may die in captivity and be disposed of like trash; others will eventually be freed after untold physical and psychological damage.

Yet there are thousands of self-proclaimed psychics and psychic detectives in the world who claim to be able to find missing persons. Some are rich and famous, such as Sylvia Browne, Allison DuBois (inspiration for the NBC show "Medium"), Noreen Renier, and Carla Baron; others are known only locally. If they have the powers they claim, perhaps they should take a break from their TV appearances and lucrative lecture circuits to actually help find these and other desperate missing persons.

[can]

Oh yes Klaas, I agree, a whole lot uglier!

In addition, I  have wondered from the beginning if the four year olds' might be twins from Jaycee's eldest girl - as I don't see how those girls could have been spared by this evil monster.

Especially since he alledges he has found his "cure" only in recent years -- not the last 15 years :'-(

Yes, I have a "cure" in mind for that POS, but dare not mention it here!

[leslee]

Oh yes Klaas, I agree, a whole lot uglier!

In addition, I  have wondered from the beginning if the four year olds' might be twins from Jaycee's eldest girl - as I don't see how those girls could have been spared by this evil monster.

Especially since he alledges he has found his "cure" only in recent years -- not the last 15 years :'-(

Cure The dude is a pyschobabbling idiot. The only cure for him contains lead and cost 5 cents

[cookie]

Oh yes Klaas, I agree, a whole lot uglier!

In addition, I  have wondered from the beginning if the four year olds' might be twins from Jaycee's eldest girl - as I don't see how those girls could have been spared by this evil monster.

yikes! had not thought that the twins could be the daughters! but that would have made the oldest daughter 11 when she gave birth so that doesn't work does it? where are these twins at? any word on them? and I agree, these daughters would not have been spared from this perv...He had everything that he needed when Jaycee had these little girls imo...he didn't have to go looking on the streets anymore and taking other people's children to rape...YUK!! makes me positively ill to think about...