Lively Case Discussion #553 12/3 - 12/4/2006

[Anna]

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NO WAY in hell Natalee Hollaway did cocaine, no way no how. If anyone can prove this I'll do one of those Samurai knife in the gut belly opening suicides on National TV.  Natalee never saw much less touched coke. This is just smear shit planted by the coverup team.  
I hate these people who want these murderers to go free. What kind of animals are they?

Exactly, Indy,

I have been flamed for saying this, too, but like you, I just don't see it.  And NOT because I don't think drug addictions cross socio-economic boundaries and that anyone can end up addicted or in a crack house, etc. but she was only missing a few hours, for crying out loud!

I just don't think The first minute she was out of sight of the group she headed for a cocaine dealer or checked into a crackhouse.  I doubt if she or most of that little group would know cocaine if they tripped over it.  One of my kids has been in Birmingham in school for eight years and says he has never seen cocaine.  Ecstasy, crystal meth, uppers, downers for studying but not powder form cocaine but plenty of booze.  Lots of the med school kids are real health freaks and just don't do much of that stuff.

She did not have any history of use of cocaine and I do NOT believe the statement deVries is quoting is from one of them.  Some are just making that claim because it is ambiguous.  He might well have considered the source and I do think it is JORAN who said she offered him a line of coke.

BS!!  Yeah, some kids in the ultra conservative Deep South have drug problems and their parents smack them in rehab before they know what hit them especially in places like MB.  And yes, they would know all about it for it is like living in a fish bowl sometimes.  Also schools do drug tests on kids who are in extra curricular activities for insurance purposes, etc.  Everyone would know and yet all say she had nothing to do with drugs.

I need to hear if from some non Aruban and someone other than JORAN the LIAR to believe this for one minute.

Sorry to those who like this idea but I know too many kids this age and just about like these and they are not into cocaine.  Alcohol remains their drug of choice even much more so than their parents from the 60's.  That would be my age group and I have no problem saying somebody does drugs if they do.  Overachiever kids can't do them and keep up with the demands of school these days.

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[Anna]

Jossy just confirmed that it was the first search. Where Ben Vocking was there. Admissions that all three had sex with Natalee as she was goin in and out of it.

I knew it. That was reported very early. It is also when I knew (instinctively) that she had not been a willing participant.

It was originally reported in AMDigital in writing that all three claimed to have had sex with her.  Later all that disappeared and now we have the PV's saying no such thing.   So I wonder which is was.  Did they suspects change their story after consulting with their lawyers or what?

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[crazybabyborg]

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NO WAY in hell Natalee Hollaway did cocaine, no way no how. If anyone can prove this I'll do one of those Samurai knife in the gut belly opening suicides on National TV.  Natalee never saw much less touched coke. This is just smear shit planted by the coverup team.  
I hate these people who want these murderers to go free. What kind of animals are they?

Exactly, Indy,

I have been flamed for saying this, too, but like you, I just don't see it.  And NOT because I don't think drug addictions cross socio-economic boundaries and that anyone can end up addicted or in a crack house, etc. but she was only missing a few hours, for crying out loud!

I just don't think The first minute she was out of sight of the group she headed for a cocaine dealer or checked into a crackhouse.  I doubt if she or most of that little group would know cocaine if they tripped over it.  One of my kids has been in Birmingham in school for eight years and says he has never seen cocaine.  Ecstasy, crystal meth, uppers, downers for studying but not powder form cocaine but plenty of booze.  Lots of the med school kids are real health freaks and just don't do much of that stuff.

She did not have any history of use of cocaine and I do NOT believe the statement deVries is quoting is from one of them.  Some are just making that claim because it is ambiguous.  He might well have considered the source and I do think it is JORAN who said she offered him a line of coke.

BS!!  Yeah, some kids in the ultra conservative Deep South have drug problems and their parents smack them in rehab before they know what hit them especially in places like MB.  And yes, they would know all about it for it is like living in a fish bowl sometimes.  Also schools do drug tests on kids who are in extra curricular activities for insurance purposes, etc.  Everyone would know and yet all say she had nothing to do with drugs.

I need to hear if from some non Aruban and someone other than JORAN the LIAR to believe this for one minute.

Sorry to those who like this idea but I know too many kids this age and just about like these and they are not into cocaine.  Alcohol remains their drug of choice even much more so than their parents from the 60's.  That would be my age group and I have no problem saying somebody does drugs if they do.  Overachiever kids can't do them and keep up with the demands of school these days.

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ABSOLUTELY!!! You do not have the grades to get a scholorship to the University of Alabama with intentions of pre-med and use cocaine for recreation. The well organized Natalee that packed her things to be prepared for her return trip, instead of having her things strewn all over everywhere like 3/4 of the teenagers I know, did not suddenly decide to turn herself into a junkie/druggie. AND she certainly did not seperate herself from the group for the FIRST time in 3 days to pursue that dream!

[Anna]

Jossy said VIDEO tape of Gerald Dompig saying they have enough for an eight year conviction on sexual assault.

None will be glad to hear of that.

 

[San]

KJ wrote a fax to De Vries saying that this meeting took place.

[San]

De Vries said he doesn't think that Joe Tacopina knows what happened.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

KJ wrote a fax to De Vries saying that this meeting took place.

  listening to it SAN~!!!

[igsigs]

FOX

De Vries says "there is no doubt that Carlo said that Joran was involved in Natalee's disappearance. Not even a 1% doubt."

[Kat_Gram]

The intoxicted part came from an FBI 302. It was the Saturday night before her disapperance. Kevin Whatley escorted her to the room. I just took it as meaning he helped her back.
There is nothing in the 302's about ANY drug use whatsoever.
Deepak denied that he did any kind of drugs with her and that he did not see her use any narcotics.

[San]

Jossy said it has been definately been confirmed that they molested the girl while she was going in and out of consciousness.

Jossy has a tape and he has many copies of it.  He usually makes tapes of people he doesn't trust.  If it is not rape, they strangled her and they did a lot of things to her.  He told Jossy many other things.  He said he will present it to the prosecutor when the case goes to court.

[Lala'sMom]

Thanks to all the wonderful monkeys with updates and such.

[Anna]

De Vries said he doesn't think that Joe Tacopina knows what happened.

We have all heard him get his facts scrambled plenty of times.  Yes, I doubt that Antonio Carlo told Joey T about his.  In fact, I would bet Carlo is very surprised that KJ told about it at all.  I would imagine he is highly embarrassed and somewhat mortified that she did.

Joey T will say anything.  Compare and contrast the search done for his client in NYC to that at the Sloots.  His loyalty is for sale to the highest bidder only.  He will say and do anything for a $.  I think there is a word for people like that.

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[Katysmom]

De Vries said he doesn't think that Joe Tacopina knows what happened.

Does JoeT really think his client told HIM the truth?  I know JoeT has no morals, but in all the legal offices I've worked in, if the defendants lawyer knows for a fact his client is guilty, the only thing he can do is argue for a light sentence; he can't argue for a not guilty verdict.

[robots]

FOX

De Vries says "there is no doubt that Carlo said that Joran was involved in Natalee's disappearance. Not even a 1% doubt."

PAULUS IS A JACKASS  

[Lala'sMom]

Jossy said it has been definately been confirmed that they molested the girl while she was going in and out of consciousness.

Jossy has a tape and he has many copies of it.  He usually makes tapes of people he doesn't trust.  If it is not rape, they strangled her and they did a lot of things to her.  He told Jossy many other things.  He said he will present it to the prosecutor when the case goes to court.

Any mention of any others besides JK2 being involved?

[San]

Beth said the only area that was searched were Joran's apartment.  The gounds and others areas were not searched.

[Jacqueline]

Devries:

He admitted there had been a meeting...He did not want to tell us much about it, but we found out there wasa secret meeting with janesen that is highly unusual...that is very strange...also the head pros  admitted that the meeting took place.

in the meetings mr carlo said he had to clear his conscience and that joran played a major part in her disappearance of natalee. he then stated that it was up to police and justice to get the full proof of this.

the pros wrote him a letter and asked for more details and he got scared. This had been a secret meeting and when jk put this on paper he got scared and then wrote her a letter to deny it.

Officials contacted me, and there is really no doubt not for one percent that he said it...

Joe does not know what happened i think, i have a recording with a candid camera that shows the opposite of what he is saying. he is not informed.

Jossy:

the former police said he confirmed that they admitted to the police that they had molested the girl when she was going in and out. I spoke with Dompig and I videotaped it because we do that we people we do not trust.

many people doubt anything i say then once i show the proof everyone becomes silent. i have a transcript and a tape...
I can read a portion, for example when i asked him about the case he said we cannot go because we don 't have a body...look they did alot of things to her.....they themselves said she passed out and they did things to her so she could not defend herself, and that is at least 8 years. he also said you are not talking about joran alone cause the kalpoe bros were present in the car.  

He confirmed that these boys admitted it to the police they molested her. I have not given the tape to anyone yet because there are so many things that happen here, people you can't trust. I will present the tape when they take it to court.

Beth:  so many things have happened in the last 7 days, we hav known all along ....it's just this is affirmation that these things happened with a coverup, this was not our imagination..

two things that were significant...the meeting with kj, and the search warrant....from his show there were people in the justice dept. who blocked alot of that search...devries has this info, this has been part of what he uncovered.

the only room they were allowed to search was jorans apt, not the rest of the grounds...

I think what devries said, with one of joran's first responses was that they took her to his residence....we have four different versions of how he made the one trip home...

coming up:

stunning accusations may land the attorneys in hot water...

[Angiex911dsptchr]

FOX

De Vries says "there is no doubt that Carlo said that Joran was involved in Natalee's disappearance. Not even a 1% doubt."

PAULUS IS A JACKASS  

[crazybabyborg]

FOX: I hope she's right...............and that the water's boiling!!!!

[igsigs]

For De Vries to be that sure his source must be Janssen, IMO.