Lively Case Discussion #553 12/3 - 12/4/2006

[2NJSons_Mom]

They had a search warrant for his house (why, I don't know) but in searching they found a gun on his nightstand.

If he is being investigated for tax too, maybe they were there in conjunction with that...

Dana may know better, but this is what I was thinking...something lead them to his home...not sure if $/tax was first or if gun possession was...seems likely that the tax thing lead to the the home...jmo.

[robots]

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maybe he and JORAN are having a "relationship" ?


       




       

Jossy said the relationship between Joran and Guido was more than just friendship and made it perfectly clear what he meant, too.  Certainly not just best buds forever kind of thingy.

And remember Joran saying Deepak had never had a girlfriend.  Looks like some pretty maladjusted kids if one considers all that sort of thing maladjustment.  At the least, conflicted kids.  Hows all that porn working out for you Sloots?  Still think it a good and enlightened thing to expose to young kids?

sickies

[memphis]

I want Beth to file an obstruction of justice suit. It may not bring the perps down but they will wear the banner of OJ more snugly as a result!

where is john q kelley during all of this ?

Good question.  What I'm wondering is why Joe T is involved at all.  He was hired to represent the Sloots for the civil case, he has nothing to do with the criminal case as he has no authority to represent them in an Aruban court.

Yep, but most viewers will never ask or know that.

[Jacqueline]

I think here lies the answer:

Feds: Pa. philanthropist skipped taxes

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

PHILADELPHIA -- Federal prosecutors contend a businessman known for pledging money to help track down criminals has pocketed $3.2 million of income over the past several years while not paying federal taxes since 2000.

Court papers allege Joe Mammana diverted millions from his Yardley egg farm into his personal checking account and four other business accounts to avoid income taxes.

Mammana has been "lining his pockets and accumulating luxury cars and a luxury house with the proceeds of his business, all while refusing to report this illicit income to the IRS," the U.S. Attorney's Office said in court papers Friday.

The court filing requested Mammana be kept in custody while awaiting trial on recent gun charges. U.S. Magistrate L. Felipe Restrepo granted the request, denying bail because he said Mammana was a flight risk.

Mammana was arrested on Thursday, the day after authorities found a loaded handgun in his home during a search for evidence of possible mail and wire fraud, according to an arrest warrant.

[Anna]

[irs could go after many corperations im sure, my concern is the gun charge, if true Joe M should have known better.

G. Gordon Liddy says he can't have a gun because of being a convicted felon but that Mrs. Liddy has quite an extensive collection.  I hope Joe's father lives under the same roof.  Depending on local gun laws, that might be his only way to beat that one.

You are right, they will likely make him pay the taxes but he might avoid jail on that but not the gun.  Was registered to his father.

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[memphis]

I find it very encouraging that Joey blew a gasket over this...

Such a strong reaction from just nonsense?


Eh Eh.....

[crazybabyborg]

I don't even know what it is I'm trying to see, but is this any better?

[Jacqueline]

[irs could go after many corperations im sure, my concern is the gun charge, if true Joe M should have known better.

G. Gordon Liddy says he can't have a gun because of being a convicted felon but that Mrs. Liddy has quite an extensive collection.  I hope Joe's father lives under the same roof.  Depending on local gun laws, that might be his only way to beat that one.

You are right, they will likely make him pay the taxes but he might avoid jail on that but not the gun.  Was registered to his father.

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Mandatory 60 month sentence on the gun charge. No plea bargaining. the loaded gun was registered back in 1979 under his dads name. I am not even sure if his dad is still even alive.

[Jacqueline]

I find it very encouraging that Joey blew a gasket over this...

Such a strong reaction from just nonsense?


Eh Eh.....

LOL

[klaasend]

Anna and Msmarple - I'll add the the Crime thread:

Posted today (12/3/2006) by Grande at T4N:

Grande wrote:
I don't know if this has been published yet or not, but I am told there was a 16 year old boy was killed last night outside of Carlos & Charlies amounting to the 2nd murder in 10 days.

Here is what I was told;

"Last night there was another killing infront of C&C. A 16 year old boy was killed. From what I heard, there was a fight outside of C&C and the kid was not even involved in the fight. He was at the wrong place at the wrong time. There was no shooting. So, I guess, he was hit and punched and he died. C&C gets very very very busy on weekends. So, a lot of people dont bother going in. They just stand outside the bar, hangout, drink and do drugs and then start fights....Well, that's exactly what happened last night and a young boy lost his life. Well, this is the 2nd murder in 10 days on the one happy island..."

and a follow-up:

Here are a couple other details I have heard...

The alleged suspect was recently released from jail

Was an employee of Tony Romas as of yesterday

Turned himself in today and has apparently taken his own life.

I have no idea how this will be reported and cannot confirm the validity at this point. I am fairly certain on all three accounts. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news regardless of the origin.

[Katysmom]

[irs could go after many corperations im sure, my concern is the gun charge, if true Joe M should have known better.

G. Gordon Liddy says he can't have a gun because of being a convicted felon but that Mrs. Liddy has quite an extensive collection.  I hope Joe's father lives under the same roof.  Depending on local gun laws, that might be his only way to beat that one.

You are right, they will likely make him pay the taxes but he might avoid jail on that but not the gun.  Was registered to his father.

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I think his father is deceased

[Dana]

[irs could go after many corperations im sure, my concern is the gun charge, if true Joe M should have known better.

G. Gordon Liddy says he can't have a gun because of being a convicted felon but that Mrs. Liddy has quite an extensive collection.  I hope Joe's father lives under the same roof.  Depending on local gun laws, that might be his only way to beat that one.

You are right, they will likely make him pay the taxes but he might avoid jail on that but not the gun.  Was registered to his father.

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Mandatory 60 month sentence on the gun charge. No plea bargaining. the loaded gun was registered back in 1979 under his dads name. I am not even sure if his dad is still even alive.

yup unless he can beat the charge he is going to do some jail time

[Tylergal]

Probably Bouti's real name.  I wonder if anyone told deVries that Bouti lives in the bushes and sits on a lawn chair there spying on the HI guests like a pervert all the time??  DeVries would have no way of knowing this person has fried their brain so totally already much like Joran is on the way to doing himself.


If it is Bouti, someone should tell devries and also that it is Dompig's brotherinlaw who will basically say anything like Joey T for a fix the way JoeT will for a $.

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It makes you wonder how that lounge-looking lizard, Tacopino can sleep at night, knowing bad things happen to good people but hell is being heated up for slugs like himself and the VDS family and it never cools down, just gets hotter and hotter.

[Anna]

Thank you Jacquie!

Mail and wire fraud.  Those postal inspectors strike again.  Wish they would go after Paulus for writing that bogus letter he claimed was from Natalee.

So it is tax on that amount and not that amount in taxes.  Well, obviously he had a lot of expenses, lol!  

And he is physically in the slammer even as we speak.   No bail seems rather harsh considering his roots in the community and his egg business and all that.

[crazybabyborg]

I was typing rather than listening closely, but wasn't there some follow up discussion about a felon having a gun, up until a few years ago, wasn't illegal?

[Jacqueline]

Probably Bouti's real name.  I wonder if anyone told deVries that Bouti lives in the bushes and sits on a lawn chair there spying on the HI guests like a pervert all the time??  DeVries would have no way of knowing this person has fried their brain so totally already much like Joran is on the way to doing himself.


If it is Bouti, someone should tell devries and also that it is Dompig's brotherinlaw who will basically say anything like Joey T for a fix the way JoeT will for a $.

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It makes you wonder how that lounge-looking lizard, Tacopino can sleep at night, knowing bad things happen to good people but hell is being heated up for slugs like himself and the VDS family and it never cools down, just gets hotter and hotter.

Insomnia only hits people who have a conscience!
He prolly sleeps like a baby...

[Katysmom]

Anna and Msmarple - I'll add the the Crime thread:

Posted today (12/3/2006) by Grande at T4N:

Grande wrote:
I don't know if this has been published yet or not, but I am told there was a 16 year old boy was killed last night outside of Carlos & Charlies amounting to the 2nd murder in 10 days.

Here is what I was told;

"Last night there was another killing infront of C&C. A 16 year old boy was killed. From what I heard, there was a fight outside of C&C and the kid was not even involved in the fight. He was at the wrong place at the wrong time. There was no shooting. So, I guess, he was hit and punched and he died. C&C gets very very very busy on weekends. So, a lot of people dont bother going in. They just stand outside the bar, hangout, drink and do drugs and then start fights....Well, that's exactly what happened last night and a young boy lost his life. Well, this is the 2nd murder in 10 days on the one happy island..."

and a follow-up:

Here are a couple other details I have heard...

The alleged suspect was recently released from jail

Was an employee of Tony Romas as of yesterday

Turned himself in today and has apparently taken his own life.

I have no idea how this will be reported and cannot confirm the validity at this point. I am fairly certain on all three accounts. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news regardless of the origin.

Suicide is a lot cheaper for Aruba than a trial.

[Jacqueline]

Thank you Jacquie!

Mail and wire fraud.  Those postal inspectors strike again.  Wish they would go after Paulus for writing that bogus letter he claimed was from Natalee.

So it is tax on that amount and not that amount in taxes.  Well, obviously he had a lot of expenses, lol!  

And he is physically in the slammer even as we speak.   No bail seems rather harsh considering his roots in the community and his egg business and all that.


They are keeping him in cause he is considered a flight risk....

[Carnut]

Anna and Msmarple - I'll add the the Crime thread:

Posted today (12/3/2006) by Grande at T4N:

Grande wrote:
I don't know if this has been published yet or not, but I am told there was a 16 year old boy was killed last night outside of Carlos & Charlies amounting to the 2nd murder in 10 days.

Here is what I was told;

"Last night there was another killing infront of C&C. A 16 year old boy was killed. From what I heard, there was a fight outside of C&C and the kid was not even involved in the fight. He was at the wrong place at the wrong time. There was no shooting. So, I guess, he was hit and punched and he died. C&C gets very very very busy on weekends. So, a lot of people dont bother going in. They just stand outside the bar, hangout, drink and do drugs and then start fights....Well, that's exactly what happened last night and a young boy lost his life. Well, this is the 2nd murder in 10 days on the one happy island..."

and a follow-up:

Here are a couple other details I have heard...

The alleged suspect was recently released from jail

Was an employee of Tony Romas as of yesterday

Turned himself in today and has apparently taken his own life.

I have no idea how this will be reported and cannot confirm the validity at this point. I am fairly certain on all three accounts. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news regardless of the origin.

Suicide is a lot cheaper for Aruba than a trial.

Heh, heh, yeah, they seem to use it alot.

[San]

From The LineUp with Kimberly Guilfoyle – 12-03-06

First part with Peter De Vries and Jossy Mansur.

Peter De Vries – By Phone

Kimberly:  Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries conducted the investigation.  I asked him about his conversation with Van der Sloot’s first attorney Antonio Carlo.  Listen to this.

Peter:  Well we paid Carlo a visit in his office and we recorded that with candid camera and at first he tried to deny that there had been a meeting with head prosecutor but after a while he realized what we knew and then he got very uncomfortable and admitted that there had been a meeting and that was with the head prosecutor and panicked and he was very uncomfortable with this.

Kimberly:  Now how did Antonio Carlo describe why he met Karin Janssen?

Peter:  Well he didn’t want to tell us very much about it but what we found out that there was a secret meeting and that’s highly unusually because head prosecutor is not allowed to have talks during an investigation with the lawyer or attorney so that’s very strange and also Karin Janssen the head prosecutor wrote us a fax in which she admitted that a meeting took place so it’s impossible to deny that there was a meeting.

Kimberly:  And what was divulged during these meetings.

Peter:  Well in the meeting Mr. Carlo said that he had to clear his conscience and that Joran Van der Sloot played a major part in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.  No doubt at all that he said that.

Kimberly:  Did he go into any other details in terms of what that means played a major part in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway?

Peter:  Well he then stated to the head prosecutor that it was up to the police and the justice to get the full proof of this but that he wanted to clear his conscience and that yeah they had to do the work.

Kimberly:  And how many letters were exchanged back and forth between them and what information was in those letters?

Peter:  Well the head prosecutor wrote him a letter and she asked for more details and then Mr. Carlo got scared because his tip was certainly on paper and he didn’t expect that because it was a secret meeting and when Karin Janssen put it on paper he realized it was no longer a secret so then he wrote a letter back and denied he had said something like that.

Kimberly:  Now have any of the Aruban or Dutch Officials contacted you about this important information?

Peter:  Yeah they contact me I have several sources in this case and there is really no doubt not for one percent that he said that.

Kimberly:  And what do the investigators make of this?

Peter:  Now they make of this of course that Joran Van der Sloot is responsible for the disappearance of Natalee.

Kimberly:  Wow.  Now you know of course Joran’s current attorney Joe Tacopina said that this is making up facts your fabricating facts there was no such meeting.

Peter:  No then (Peter started laughing) he doesn’t know what happened I think and I have recording with our candid camera which shows the opposite of what he is saying so I don’t think he’s very well informed.

Kimberly:  Alright well Peter thank you so much in joining me tonight and talking about these new developments.

Peter:  OK welcome.

Jossy Mansur by phone:

Kimberly:  I got to ask you what did the former police chief say to you about Joran Van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brother’s involvement in Natalee’s disappearance.

Jossy:  He definitely confirmed that they admitted to the police that they had molested the girl while she was going in and out of consciousness but among other things that he said.

Kimberly:  And how long was this conversation and who specifically did you speak to.

Jossy:  I spoke to Gerald Dompig the conversation took place in my office for about an hour and I have it all on video tape.

Kimberly:  Any why did you video tape it Jossy?

Jossy:  Because as the Diario we usually do that with people we don’t trust to begin with. To have a documented proof of whatever we are going to publish in the future.

Kimberly:  Alright well there are many people who doubt that you have this tape and want to know in fact is contained in this video tape?  Do you have a transcript of this?

Jossy:  You know many people doubt many things I say but after I publish the truth everybody becomes quiet.  They go into a profound silence.  But we have the proof I have the tape the video tape, we have various copies of it made.

Kimberly:  OK and you claim to have a transcript in fact that links the boys to Natalee’s disappearance.  Do you have that for us that you can read a portion of that?

Jossy:  I can read a portion for you for example when I asked him about the case he said well you know we cannot go because we don’t have a body but you have a model crime and on the basis of their own declarations, I’m quoting him at the bottom now and then he said look if it’s not rape they fingered her, they did a lot of things to her according to their own declarations and he we have an article in our penal code that provides an eight year sentence for that.  If you do that to a girl who is not conscious they themselves said that she passed out on (inaudible) phases in the car.  That means if you do that to a person who cannot defend herself it’s eight years.  He told me this (inaudible) I’m quoting from the tape.

Kimberly:  And what else did he tell you?

Jossy:  He told me many other things.  For example you are not talking about Joran alone because while the other guy was driving the car they were making out with the girl in the back.

Kimberly:  And when you say they who was he referring to did he specify the Kalpoe brothers?

Jossy:  He said the Kalpoe brothers with Joran yes.

Kimberly:  Did you ask him why he didn’t do anything with this information and why a case wasn’t presented by the prosecutor?

Jossy:  No because I thought they would proceed on the basis of a model crime because he confirmed that these three suspects admitted this to the police.

Kimberly:  Jossy have you presented this tape to the new police chief or the prosecutor’s office.  Who else has the information?

Jossy:  The tape I only have the tape, I haven’t given it to anyone because so many things have happened in this case and so many mistrusts of who you can trust and who you cannot trust so I will present it to the prosecution when this case goes to court.

Kimberly:  Jossy Mansur thank you for being on with me tonight.