Lively Case Discussion #553 12/3 - 12/4/2006

[San]

Joe T.'s phone call coutesy youtube.com....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkVOWEclEl8

Thanks bleached I missed this part of the show last night.  Robots is right Joe sure blew a gasket.  His voice went to high that his dog started barking at the end   .

[klaasend]

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2006/12/4/

Documentonan policial ta mustra; ABOGADO DI JORAN VAN DER SLOOT a PIDI JORAN ‘CASI NA YORAMENTO’ PA BISA E BERDAD

ORANJESTAD (AAN) --- Recientemente un reportero investigativo na Hulanda a sacodi un rato e caso di Natalee Halloway ora cu den su programa special na television nan a bin saca afor, cu supuestamente abogado di Van Der Sloot a papia cu Fiscal Mayor Janssen y duna e fiscal indicacion cu Joran van der Sloot lo sa mucho mas di e caso di Natalee.

E programa aki a causa furor na Hulanda, Antiyas, Merca y tambe na Aruba pasobra ningun hende tabata na altura di e supuesto conversacion cu e abogado di Van der Sloot lo tabata tin na un forma no formal cu e fiscal mayor, pa asina duna e fiscal indicacion cu Joran lo tabata sa mucho mas di loke e tabata declara na autoridadnan.

Abogado di Van Der Sloot na Aruba, señor Carlo a nenga rotundamente cu e lo tabata tin un conversacion no oficial cu fiscal mayor Janssen y cu e a declara cu su cliente lo tabata sa mas di loke e tabata bisa polisnan.

Awe e team investigativo di DIARIO ta publica algun parti di documentonan cu a worde haya den e investigacion riba desaparicion di Natalee Halloway y cada ken por lesa pa nan mes awe loke un funcionario policial hulandes a pone riba papel relaciona cu interogacion cu su persona a haci cu Joran van der Sloot.

‘E sospechoso (aki ;Joran van der Sloot) a bisa, manera cu mi ( ‘Mi’ ta e funcionario policial hulandes) a tende, cu el (Joran van der Sloot) a puntra su mama pa tuma contacto telefonico cu e testigo Zedan Arambatzis, pa saca afor kico el a declara na polis’.

‘E sospechoso a conta cu su abogado Carlo, na un forma di den confianza, tambe a tende e storia di e testigo Zedan Arambatzis y cu e abogado a pidi Joran van der Sloot e dia siguiente na un forma ‘casi na yoramento’ pa e bay bisa e berdad’.

‘E sospechoso a conta cu abogado Carlo a informe (esta informa Joran van der Sloot) cu e testigo Zedan Arambatzis a declara encuanto Fishermanshut’. ‘Van der Sloot a declara cu a base di e informacion aki, el a dicidi di bisa e berdad, esta cu el a laga Natalee atras na Fishermanshut’.

Analisando loke tin poni riba papel di documentonan di interogacion haci door di entre otro polisnan special di Hulanda cu a bin te Aruba pa yuda soluciona e caso di desaparicion di Natalee Halloway, cualkier investigador lo haci e siguiente preguntanan y tambe remarkenan; (1) Di con Joran van der Sloot a pidi su mama pa yama Zedan Arambatzis pa puntra e testigo aki kico el a declara na polis?
(2) Kico Zedan a declara na e mama di Joran van der Sloot?
(3) E mama di Joran van der Sloot a worde interoga basa riba e informacionnan aki cu polis mes a pone riba papel?
(4) Riba ki dia Joran a pidi su mama pa bay averigua declaracion haci door di Zedan Arambatzis y ki dia e mama a yama e testigo aki y kico e testigo aki a declara na e mama di Joran y kende na su turno a informa su yiu di kico e testigo a declara?
(5) Di con e abogado ta bay puntra e sospechoso Joran, cual ta su cliente, na un forma ‘casi na yoramento’ pa e bisa e berdad?
(6) Na cua berdad ta worde referi aki?
(7) E supuesto berdad cu Joran mes ta bisa despues, cu el a laga Natalee atras na Fishermanshut?
( Si esey ta e berdad anto no tabata tin nada dje malo ey of dje impactante cu e abogado supuestamente lo mester a pidi Joran van der Sloot ‘casi na yoramento’ pa bisa e berdad?!
(9) Encuanto cu e abogado a tende e storia di e testigo Zedan na un forma di ‘den confianza’ ta habri caminda pa puntra; na unda el a tende e storia aki den confianza y for di ken y ken mas tabata sa di e supuesto storia aki y con bin un abogado a tende esaki ‘den confianza’ siendo cu Joran ta su cliente y cuanto informacion mas estilo ‘den confianza’ a keda scondi y cu te awe henter pueblo di Aruba ta paga e prijs miyonario pa loke pueblo no tin ni arte ni parti den dje ?
Esakinan ta djis algun observacion den e caso mas controversial cu husticia na Aruba y Reino Hulandes a yega di conoce, pero cu poco poco e berdad ta saliendo na claridad di dia.

Keda pendiente pa e dianan cu ta bin pasobra tin hopi y hopi mas pa sali y ta hopi pregunta mester bay haya contesta pasobra no por ta asina cu tin preto riba blanco poni, cu por lo menos dos persona a declara na polis kico a pasa cu Natalee unda cu Joran su nomber ta keda bin pa dilanti como e persona cu lo sa kico a pasa cu Natalee of a hunga un rol grandi den henter e caso, anto keto bay autoridadnan hudicial no por presenta un caso penal den corte.

[San]

Last week on a news show Joe Tocopina said Antonio Carlo was Joran's former attorney now he is saying his attorney.

[Hotshot]

testing avatar

[klaasend]

From another site.  According to the Diario article today, Freddy Arambatzis also claims in a statement that Carlo was almost crying saying Joran needs to tell the truth.

[San]

Misgivings,

No, it was after the commercial when she was talking about the spy poisoning.  Apparently, it was unexpected and a surprise.
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Oh now I understand how I missed him being on.  I had turned my tape off after Beth was finished and started to transcribe the first part.  When I posted it I realized I missed Joe T.

[Peaches]

Jacqueline, I'd be interested to read the article on TacoJoe.  

Thank you.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Last week on a news show Joe Tocopina said Antonio Carlo was Joran's former attorney now he is saying his attorney.

Yes, I picked up on that, too, San.  (I still can't get past the fact that PVDS is supposedly employed by Carlo, as well.  What next?  JVDS an intern for Joe T?)

[2NJSons_Mom]

From another site.  According to the Diario article today, Freddy Arambatzis also claims in a statement that Carlo was almost crying saying Joran needs to tell the truth.

So, was Carlo Freddy's attorney from the beginning?  Just wondering how else Freddy could make this claim and how it could be witnessed otherwise.

[San]

Good morning friends....

I think JT was such a nut last night because he was not cuddled and cradled by KG as he usually is on Fox....she wanted the truth....he can't tell the truth.....

The fact that he called in on a Sunday evening while he was probably relaxing at home with his family shows that he was pretty upset at what was being presented.  I have heard  him say before there are alot of lies out there, false facts, but he was really in a tizzy...

Something struck a nerve with him, big time.

That something is called the TRUTH. It usually strikes a nerve in all criminals.

[SunnyinTX]

I thought that Jossy and Peter did a much better job of making their points in a classy and professional manner than did Joe Tacopina.

Taco Joe sounded like he was shocked and he couldn't think straight...so he accused and rambled IMO.

does anyone know if Beth and Dave have heard this tape that Josie has??  Sorry if this has been discussed I am far, far behind

[NM]

Question for the Monkey Brain Trust:  

Is there a correlation between Joe Mammana's recent problems and the case against J2K heating up?  Think.  Ponder.

I'm pages behind.

Hey Lilpuma,
I think there has to be a correlation. Also, Joe did "call out" posner.
I was really happy to hear Beth is standing up for him.
I don't buy these charges against Joe.

Hey Monkeys.

[San]

Good Morning Monks.

I have been away for a while and missed y'all....I caught the show last night....Taco is an idiot!!  I am going to go and read and try to get caught up....I hope everyone is well....and I hope this is the break that is needed to bring JUSTICE FOR NATALEE

I thought that Jossy and Peter did a much better job of making their points in a classy and professional manner than did Joe Tacopina.

Of course they did.  That's the difference between class and no class.

When Peter De Vries responded to the question about Joe. T. he politely said Mr. Tocopina.   Joe T. acted as if he was in a school yard fight and was calling Peter all kinds of names.   What an embarrassment.

[justinsmama]

Sunny, yes, he did make several accusations, many (perhaps all) which were FALSE. Oh, how I fervently wish Jossy, Beth, and even Dompig would sue him for defamation!

[justinsmama]

Justin's school let out at 10 am. No heat. It was 12 degrees outside this morning.  

[San]

According to these statements we have confirmation that Joran was in fact driving the Kalpoe car.  Another lie he told on Greta.

[klaasend]

From what I understand, Jossy will be printing more each day in Diario.  

Seems very quiet this morning at FOB and RU, lol    

[San]

I just remember something.  Joe Tacopina said that Gerald Dompig was fired because he went on TV saying Natalee died of an overdose.

[San]

From what I understand, Jossy will be printing more each day in Diario.  

Seems very quiet this morning at FOB and RU, lol    

That's great news.

Joe T. better get some more gaskets

[Jacqueline]

Jacqueline, I'd be interested to read the article on TacoJoe.  

Thank you.

http://www.skidmore.edu/scope/winter2003/features/powerplays.html

Here you go...From 2003 on Joe Taco.