Lively Case Discussion #553 12/3 - 12/4/2006

[Tylergal]

I want to disagree that he called out of whole cloth.  I think it had to be a set-up as a network would refuse his call.  Incidentally this is a program that is prerecorded so it would have had to be a set up between him and the hostess in collusion with the network to have him on.  These programs are not live and do not request call in so obviously someone wanted him on as a rebuttal, probably Kimberly, perhaps JQK who wanted the world to see who the real baffoon really is.

Some of the Fox shows are live, Tylergal.  At least that's what it says on my screen during the show.  I do think The Lineup is one of them.  I think Greta is also live.  Now I don't get the "Live" thing on the O'Reilly show.

Yea, they were live when they were live.  They are not live when they are shown to us.  It only means this is the freshest episode we got here.

[Tylergal]

DANA - At Blogs for Natalee in your profile you have the option to set your email to private, yours is not private at BFN.  Mine is private at BFN and I have not received any of the wierd emails.

Mine is private and I didn't get any either......guess that's the answer. I see he is back starting threads and posting there.

Well, mine was private until "they" decided to make it public.  I did not do that.

[robots]

was that a RANT ????

 

[Sue]

I DO NOT for one minute believe that Joe T had every piece of information
in Karins Files has he has claimed on national TV..
He is so full of Poop his eyes are brown, Oh thats right they are brown
that explains everything

[Tylergal]

everyone should at least one website

i have about 20  



       

Twenty?  Dayum.

[robots]

does anyone have a picture of JORAN missing his front teeth ??

cause i think thats what youre gonna see pretty soon


i can sense it  

[San]

What I would like to know is how Tacopina would know first hand that Gerald Dompig was fired.  He is admitting right there that the ALE and government are keeping him informed on what is going on with the coverup.

Can you hear it now "OK Joe we took care of the Dompig issue what do you want us to do next".

ALE and the Aruban government are not likely keeping JoeT informed of anything.  He has trashed ALE publicly so many times.  That doesn't mean that someone from Aruba isn't telling him things.  Unfortunately, we've seen firsthand how credible information out of Aruba can be.

When Aruba comes out and tries to explain what happened to Natalee by saying she overdosed I guess we have Joe Tacopina to thank for setting us straight on National TV by saying she didn't.  They goes that story Aruba.

[robots]

everyone should at least one website

i have about 20  



       

Twenty?  Dayum.

maybe 23  

[robots]

What I would like to know is how Tacopina would know first hand that Gerald Dompig was fired.  He is admitting right there that the ALE and government are keeping him informed on what is going on with the coverup.

Can you hear it now "OK Joe we took care of the Dompig issue what do you want us to do next".

ALE and the Aruban government are not likely keeping JoeT informed of anything.  He has trashed ALE publicly so many times.  That doesn't mean that someone from Aruba isn't telling him things.  Unfortunately, we've seen firsthand how credible information out of Aruba can be.

When Aruba comes out and tries to explain what happened to Natalee by saying she overdosed I guess we have Joe Tacopina to thank for setting us straight on National TV by saying she didn't.  They goes that story Aruba.

thanks a lot JOE !!!      

[Tylergal]

everyone should at least one website

i have about 20  



       

Twenty?  Dayum.

maybe 23  

You really are a robot (automaton).

[robots]

everyone should at least one website

i have about 20  



       

Twenty?  Dayum.

maybe 23  

You really are a robot (automaton).

bones like IRON and BLOOD like mercury  

[Katysmom]

What I would like to know is how Tacopina would know first hand that Gerald Dompig was fired.  He is admitting right there that the ALE and government are keeping him informed on what is going on with the coverup.

Can you hear it now "OK Joe we took care of the Dompig issue what do you want us to do next".

ALE and the Aruban government are not likely keeping JoeT informed of anything.  He has trashed ALE publicly so many times.  That doesn't mean that someone from Aruba isn't telling him things.  Unfortunately, we've seen firsthand how credible information out of Aruba can be.

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My guess would be Julia[/b]

[Carnut]

Well I see carnut has played contrarian again on Guido, some things never change   Carnut do you know any gay or bisexual men? They don't wear a sign, nor does most of the free world think it's something to be ashamed of, but on Aruba it has a stigma. Boys don't stop to mention or attach a term to a relationship beyond friendship, unless something sexual is afoot with one another   you conveniently forget his attorney Spong also stated on record Guido is homosexual !

Huh? Where have I stated that I didn't believe that Guido was gay?

[San]

This reminds me of how Joe Tacopina sounded last night

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQFSNPDSPqg

[Carnut]

I am a little skeptical of that information, not from you, however.  But my address has been gotten from that site more than once.  I really do not trust some of the hierarchy at BFN, sad to say.

Doesn't BFN orginate from Aruba?  I think I heard that many months ago and that is when I stopped going there.[/quote]

No, BFN dosen't originate from aruba.

BFN does allow a wider variety of posters than here.

BFN is actually complimentary to SM.

As for email address harvesting, just remember nothing on the internet is secure.

[klaasend]

This was posted on the front page of SM saying it was brought over from BFN.  I don't know who translated it or the accuracy of the translations.  I'm assuming this is from todays article about the case in Diario:

NOTE:  THIS IS AN OLD EDITORIAL ORIGINALLY PUBLISHED IN DIARIO MARCH 20, 2006

DIARIO Editorial:

An element called Tacopina

Last night, the attorney who is representing Joran in the US found it appropriate to explain, in a lowly way, that I am prejudiced against Joran because his father was in the team who handed over a few members of my family to the US.

There’s another element who does not know how to read Papiamento and has no notion what I have said about Joran. I have said on various occasions that I don’t know whether he is guilty or innocent! Furthermore, I don’t have any sort of prejudice against Joran or his father! I had no ide! that Paul could have been in any commission which judged who is part of my family. That’s news to me!

Joe Tacopina, with his witchy style of bring things forward, forcing a conclusion which doesn’t exist, wants to defend a habitual, chronic liar, who has a confirmed history of violence.

Joran was known in his school as a kid who bullied younger kids; he was described by a teacher as a habitual liar; he was caught with his hands in the lockers of other kids; he was under treatment for his inability to control his anger and the violent part of his character; he was gambling for money in a casino, at an age where it is prohibited to set foot in a casino, and a few times accompanied by his father!

Into what sort of ‘saint’ does Tacopina want to turn Joran? He doesn’t know that Joran lied that Deepak came to pick him up at the beach, and when Deepak stood up and said that it’s not true, he then changed to saying it was Satish. When Satish also stood up and said that it wasn’t true, he left the question hanging, and it will be good of Tacopina, in his great wisdom, to explain to us how Joran arrived at his house in the morning hours, with or without shoes!

Another point which Tacopina, in his febrile attempt to defend his client, does not take into account is the following: how Deepak could have come to pick up Joran at the beach, if Joran declared to 4 Police officers on the 13 of June 2005 that Deepak was with him at the beach, that Deepak went back towards the girl, where he had left her sleeping on the sand, and that he believes that Deepak raped and then killed the girl? Tacopina can be a good attorney, but in this case he is far from home!

And how does Tacopina explain the fact that Joran told Police that they had sex with Natalee when she was coming in and out of consciousness, and then on television he said that because he did not have a prophylactic he didn’t have sex with her! Who does Tacopina take us for?

For idiots? A 17-year-old kid with only one thing on his mind, is going to miss such an opportunity because he has no protection? And Tacopina believes Joran when he told Greta that he NEVER had sexual relations with a girl without using a condom? Come now, Mister Tacopina, give us at least a little more consideration and stop insulting our intelligence!

Tacopina also forgets, perhaps voluntarily?. That his client admitted to Police that they took Natalee to his apartment from Carlos and Charlies! How could he be at his apartment with Natalee and at the same time on the beach with her? It would be good for Tacopina to explain to us the mathematics of the timeline, because in our mathematics, you cannot be in two different places at the same time!

On one hand, I enjoyed Tacopina, because he made me laugh with his ridiculous statements. If in reality he is an attorney interested in the truth, he would not be planting so many lies which could even compete with those of his client.

Finally (for now) how does Tacopina explain the concrete fact that his client was the last one who was with Natalee at the time that she disappeared and suddenly, he doesn’t know what happened to her?

Was there magic involved? Tacopina believes that Yomanda, Negro Felipe or Maria Lionza could have been involved? Because it is impossible that Joran doesn’t know what happened to Natalee if he was the last person who was with Natalee in his apartment, or on the beach, like he has admitted on so many occasions!

The types of expressions out of Tacopina do not seem those of a serious person, and even less of those of an attorney who believes in the truth.

It could be his duty to defend his client, whether he believes he is guilty or innocent, but let it be done in a professional way, acknowledging Joran’s multiple lies, and not trying to reduce them to only two, like he tried to do last night! If he wants, I can explain how many lies and changing stories Joran offered Police. We are very well aware of everything!

[Tylergal]

This was posted on the front page of SM saying it was brought over from BFN.  I don't know who translated it or the accuracy of the translations.  I'm assuming this is from todays article about the case in Diario:

DIARIO Editorial:

An element called Tacopina

Last night, the attorney who is representing Joran in the US found it appropriate to explain, in a lowly way, that I am prejudiced against Joran because his father was in the team who handed over a few members of my family to the US.

There’s another element who does not know how to read Papiamento and has no notion what I have said about Joran. I have said on various occasions that I don’t know whether he is guilty or innocent! Furthermore, I don’t have any sort of prejudice against Joran or his father! I had no ide! that Paul could have been in any commission which judged who is part of my family. That’s news to me!

Joe Tacopina, with his witchy style of bring things forward, forcing a conclusion which doesn’t exist, wants to defend a habitual, chronic liar, who has a confirmed history of violence.

Joran was known in his school as a kid who bullied younger kids; he was described by a teacher as a habitual liar; he was caught with his hands in the lockers of other kids; he was under treatment for his inability to control his anger and the violent part of his character; he was gambling for money in a casino, at an age where it is prohibited to set foot in a casino, and a few times accompanied by his father!

Into what sort of ‘saint’ does Tacopina want to turn Joran? He doesn’t know that Joran lied that Deepak came to pick him up at the beach, and when Deepak stood up and said that it’s not true, he then changed to saying it was Satish. When Satish also stood up and said that it wasn’t true, he left the question hanging, and it will be good of Tacopina, in his great wisdom, to explain to us how Joran arrived at his house in the morning hours, with or without shoes!

Another point which Tacopina, in his febrile attempt to defend his client, does not take into account is the following: how Deepak could have come to pick up Joran at the beach, if Joran declared to 4 Police officers on the 13 of June 2005 that Deepak was with him at the beach, that Deepak went back towards the girl, where he had left her sleeping on the sand, and that he believes that Deepak raped and then killed the girl? Tacopina can be a good attorney, but in this case he is far from home!

And how does Tacopina explain the fact that Joran told Police that they had sex with Natalee when she was coming in and out of consciousness, and then on television he said that because he did not have a prophylactic he didn’t have sex with her! Who does Tacopina take us for?

For idiots? A 17-year-old kid with only one thing on his mind, is going to miss such an opportunity because he has no protection? And Tacopina believes Joran when he told Greta that he NEVER had sexual relations with a girl without using a condom? Come now, Mister Tacopina, give us at least a little more consideration and stop insulting our intelligence!

Tacopina also forgets, perhaps voluntarily?. That his client admitted to Police that they took Natalee to his apartment from Carlos and Charlies! How could he be at his apartment with Natalee and at the same time on the beach with her? It would be good for Tacopina to explain to us the mathematics of the timeline, because in our mathematics, you cannot be in two different places at the same time!

On one hand, I enjoyed Tacopina, because he made me laugh with his ridiculous statements. If in reality he is an attorney interested in the truth, he would not be planting so many lies which could even compete with those of his client.

Finally (for now) how does Tacopina explain the concrete fact that his client was the last one who was with Natalee at the time that she disappeared and suddenly, he doesn’t know what happened to her?

Was there magic involved? Tacopina believes that Yomanda, Negro Felipe or Maria Lionza could have been involved? Because it is impossible that Joran doesn’t know what happened to Natalee if he was the last person who was with Natalee in his apartment, or on the beach, like he has admitted on so many occasions!

The types of expressions out of Tacopina do not seem those of a serious person, and even less of those of an attorney who believes in the truth.

It could be his duty to defend his client, whether he believes he is guilty or innocent, but let it be done in a professional way, acknowledging Joran’s multiple lies, and not trying to reduce them to only two, like he tried to do last night! If he wants, I can explain how many lies and changing stories Joran offered Police. We are very well aware of everything!

LOL.  I loved the part about competing with his client for "Lies."

[San]

does anyone have a picture of JORAN missing his front teeth ??

cause i think thats what youre gonna see pretty soon


i can sense it  

I'm not klaas so this is the best I can do

[klaasend]

does anyone have a picture of JORAN missing his front teeth ??

cause i think thats what youre gonna see pretty soon


i can sense it  

[robots]

does anyone have a picture of JORAN missing his front teeth ??

cause i think thats what youre gonna see pretty soon


i can sense it  

I'm not klaas so this is the best I can do

thank you
thats good but can you knock out a few more