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« Reply #800 on: December 04, 2006, 07:13:46 PM »

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From the Front Page article.

    “The suspect (Joran van der Sloot) said, as I (”I” is the Dutch officer) heard, that he (van der Sloot) asked his mother to contact by phone his witness Zedan Arambatzis, to find out what he told the police”.[/list]
    So Joran was the one who told Anita to contact Freddy.  Freddy was involved with Joran and the Kalpoes know that Freddy is involved and that's why they said Freddy needs to tell the truth.

    Freddy was the one who thought of the lie about the Fisherman's huts and Joran ran with it.  Joran needed to know what Freddy said so his story would be close.

    Through the whole case Joran seems to be worried about his father and Freddy.


    Curious that we haven't heard if Anita was questioned at some point in time and gave any statements...you would certainly think that would have been done as she is up tp her eyeballs in after-after-the-fact!
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    « Reply #801 on: December 04, 2006, 07:16:17 PM »

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    From the Front Page article.

      “The suspect (Joran van der Sloot) said, as I (”I” is the Dutch officer) heard, that he (van der Sloot) asked his mother to contact by phone his witness Zedan Arambatzis, to find out what he told the police”.[/list]
      So Joran was the one who told Anita to contact Freddy.  Freddy was involved with Joran and the Kalpoes know that Freddy is involved and that's why they said Freddy needs to tell the truth.

      Freddy was the one who thought of the lie about the Fisherman's huts and Joran ran with it.  Joran needed to know what Freddy said so his story would be close.

      Through the whole case Joran seems to be worried about his father and Freddy.


      Curious that we haven't heard if Anita was questioned at some point in time and gave any statements...you would certainly think that would have been done as she is up tp her eyeballs in after-after-the-fact!


      Anita, the fixer, the controlling medium.
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      « Reply #802 on: December 04, 2006, 07:23:42 PM »

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      http://www.diario-aruba.com/2006/12/4/


      good day monkey friends- will attempt to translate for you.

      Documentonan policial ta mustra; ABOGADO DI JORAN VAN DER SLOOT a PIDI JORAN ‘CASI NA YORAMENTO’ PA BISA E BERDAD

      Political document shows; Joran van dersloots lawyer begs joran , practicall crying out for Joran to tell the truth.

      ORANJESTAD (AAN) --- Recientemente un reportero investigativo na Hulanda a sacodi un rato e caso di Natalee Halloway ora cu den su programa special na television nan a bin saca afor, cu supuestamente abogado di Van Der Sloot a papia cu Fiscal Mayor Janssen y duna e fiscal indicacion cu Joran van der Sloot lo sa mucho mas di e caso di Natalee.
         
      Oranjestad(AAN)  recently a investigative reporter from Holland let the rat out of the bag on the case of Natalee HOlloway on his hour long special television program.  Apparently He found out that Van der sloots lawyer spoke with Karin Jansen and said that Joran Vander sloot knows much more than he is telling about the Natalee Holloway case.


      E programa aki a causa furor na Hulanda, Antiyas, Merca y tambe na Aruba pasobra ningun hende tabata na altura di e supuesto conversacion cu e abogado di Van der Sloot lo tabata tin na un forma no formal cu e fiscal mayor, pa asina duna e fiscal indicacion cu Joran lo tabata sa mucho mas di loke e tabata declara na autoridadnan.

      The viewing of the program here has casued an uproar(furor) in Holland The Antilles America and also in aruba.  The furor itself over the fact that Vander sloots lawyer in an informal discusion with Jansen stated that Vandersloot knows more than what he has declared to the authoritys,

      Abogado di Van Der Sloot na Aruba, seńor Carlo a nenga rotundamente cu e lo tabata tin un conversacion no oficial cu fiscal mayor Janssen y cu e a declara cu su cliente lo tabata sa mas di loke e tabata bisa polisnan.

      Senor Carlo the attorney for Vander sloot on Aruba vehemently denies that he has had any conversation with Janssen on declaring that his client knew more info than what he had declared to polis when interrogated.

      Awe e team investigativo di DIARIO ta publica algun parti di documentonan cu a worde haya den e investigacion riba desaparicion di Natalee Halloway y cada ken por lesa pa nan mes awe loke un funcionario policial hulandes a pone riba papel relaciona cu interogacion cu su persona a haci cu Joran van der Sloot.

      Diarios investigative team hs published some parts of the documentation that they have found in reference to the  disappearance in the Natalee Holloway case. This was done so that the pliticals in Holland could read about the interrogation and how Joran Vander sloot was questioned.

      ‘E sospechoso (aki ;Joran van der Sloot) a bisa, manera cu mi ( ‘Mi’ ta e funcionario policial hulandes) a tende, cu el (Joran van der Sloot) a puntra su mama pa tuma contacto telefonico cu e testigo Zedan Arambatzis, pa saca afor kico el a declara na polis’.

      The suspect Joran Vander sloot  had contacted and asked his mother to contact Zendan Arambatis so that Freddy could tell his mother what he declared to the polis when he (Zedan Arambatis was called in for questioning by the polis.

      ‘E sospechoso a conta cu su abogado Carlo, na un forma di den confianza, tambe a tende e storia di e testigo Zedan Arambatzis y cu e abogado a pidi Joran van der Sloot e dia siguiente na un forma ‘casi na yoramento’ pa e bay bisa e berdad’.

      The suspect JVDS contacted his attorney Carlo under quise of a confidential conversation  that he Carlo should also listen to Zedan Arambatis story of the testimony he gave.  It is said the next day that Carlo cried and begged JVDS to please tell the truth.

      ‘E sospechoso a conta cu abogado Carlo a informe (esta informa Joran van der Sloot) cu e testigo Zedan Arambatzis a declara encuanto Fishermanshut’. ‘Van der Sloot a declara cu a base di e informacion aki, el a dicidi di bisa e berdad, esta cu el a laga Natalee atras na Fishermanshut’.

      The suspect asked his attorney Carlo to listen to Zedan Arambatis declaration  and read especially about the testimony ZZedan Arambatis made regarding the fishermans hut.  According to Vander sloot he wanted to tell the truth about the fishermans hut especially being that he JVDS   ( not sure a laga means , i think (he alleges) alleges what he did with Natalee behind the fishermans hut.

      Analisando loke tin poni riba papel di documentonan di interogacion haci door di entre otro polisnan special di Hulanda cu a bin te Aruba pa yuda soluciona e caso di desaparicion di Natalee Halloway, cualkier investigador lo haci e siguiente preguntanan y tambe remarkenan; (1) Di con Joran van der Sloot a pidi su mama pa yama Zedan Arambatzis pa puntra e testigo aki kico el a declara na polis?

      analizing the documents of interrogation and having a special polis task force from Holland analize the documents for aruba could or should have brought forth a solution to the case of Natalee Holloway, any investigators would have known the proper questions to ask and remark upon #1 being why does JVDS want his mother to ask Zedan Arambatis to testify about something which he could easily have stated to polis himself?
      (2) Kico Zedan a declara na e mama di Joran van der Sloot?

      #2 What did Zedan say to JVDS mother about what JVDS told him?

      (3) E mama di Joran van der Sloot a worde interoga basa riba e
      informacionnan aki cu polis mes a pone riba papel?
      #3 Why is it that JVDS mother did not tell interrogators about the info Zedan gave her and why was it not written in a declartion to the investigators?
      (4) Riba ki dia Joran a pidi su mama pa bay averigua declaracion haci door di Zedan Arambatzis y ki dia e mama a yama e testigo aki y kico e testigo aki a declara na e mama di Joran y kende na su turno a informa su yiu di kico e testigo a declara?

      #4 in reference to what date did JVDS ask his mother to go and find out what Zedan Arambatis.s declared to the polis and why wasnt the testimony declared by JOran or his mother when time came to give thier own testimonys and declaration?

      (5) Di con e abogado ta bay puntra e sospechoso Joran, cual ta su cliente, na un forma ‘casi na yoramento’ pa e bisa e berdad?

      #5 Has anyone asked the lawyer for JVDS why he begged and cried for his client to tell the truth?

      (6) Na cua berdad ta worde referi aki?

      #6 if not true- from what refenrence did you derive this?

      (7) E supuesto berdad cu Joran mes ta bisa despues, cu el a laga Natalee atras na Fishermanshut?
      #7 Is it true  what JVDS alleges he did to Natalee behind the fishermans hut?
      (Cool Si esey ta e berdad anto no tabata tin nada dje malo ey of dje impactante cu e abogado supuestamente lo mester a pidi Joran van der Sloot ‘casi na yoramento’ pa bisa e berdad?!

      #8 If not true why then is JVDS lawyer crying and begging for him to tell the truth? Imagine the impact it would have had on the case if the question had been asked.

      #9  Re Zedans testimony once Carlo his lawyer heard of it how come it was it under confidential info from client to lawyer since Joran was his client and not Zedan ? Why was this sensative info not made public to the people of Aruba.  Why was the Arubans who had no part or blame in this sad episode made to pay for the mistake of the perpetrators of this crime agaisnt Natalle Holloway A most controversial case in lack of justice for Aruba and the riening Hollanders have come to find out slowly but surely.  the truth will come to light one day.
      (9) Encuanto cu e abogado a tende e storia di e testigo Zedan na un forma di ‘den confianza’ ta habri caminda pa puntra; na unda el a tende e storia aki den confianza y for di ken y ken mas tabata sa di e supuesto storia aki y con bin un abogado a tende esaki ‘den confianza’ siendo cu Joran ta su cliente y cuanto informacion mas estilo ‘den confianza’ a keda scondi y cu te awe henter pueblo di Aruba ta paga e prijs miyonario pa loke pueblo no tin ni arte ni parti den dje ?
      Esakinan ta djis algun observacion den e caso mas controversial cu husticia na Aruba y Reino Hulandes a yega di conoce, pero cu poco poco e berdad ta saliendo na claridad di dia.

      Keda pendiente pa e dianan cu ta bin pasobra tin hopi y hopi mas pa sali y ta hopi pregunta mester bay haya contesta pasobra no por ta asina cu tin preto riba blanco poni, cu por lo menos dos persona a declara na polis kico a pasa cu Natalee unda cu Joran su nomber ta keda bin pa dilanti como e persona cu lo sa kico a pasa cu Natalee of a hunga un rol grandi den henter e caso, anto keto bay autoridadnan hudicial no por presenta un caso penal den corte.[/quote

      Everyone be-aware the day that more and I hope more info will be brought forth.  Lets hope that proper questions and awnsers will come forth.  Something about black ribon turning white  (I dont understand this) but at least two people have declared what happened to Natalee, like Joran who knows what has happened to Natalee and Joran who is playing this hugh role infornt of or for the benefit of the Holland authoritys so that his case will not go infront of the penal court.


      Thats the best I could do , please forgive any mistakes I dont speak papiamento.

      Merry CHRISTmas everyone   may Peace love and Joy fill your hearts this season.
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      « Reply #803 on: December 04, 2006, 07:24:48 PM »

      Quote from: "Tylergal"
      Quote from: "Ono"
      Quote from: "San"
      From the Front Page article.

        “The suspect (Joran van der Sloot) said, as I (”I” is the Dutch officer) heard, that he (van der Sloot) asked his mother to contact by phone his witness Zedan Arambatzis, to find out what he told the police”.[/list]
        So Joran was the one who told Anita to contact Freddy.  Freddy was involved with Joran and the Kalpoes know that Freddy is involved and that's why they said Freddy needs to tell the truth.

        Freddy was the one who thought of the lie about the Fisherman's huts and Joran ran with it.  Joran needed to know what Freddy said so his story would be close.

        Through the whole case Joran seems to be worried about his father and Freddy.


        Curious that we haven't heard if Anita was questioned at some point in time and gave any statements...you would certainly think that would have been done as she is up tp her eyeballs in after-after-the-fact!


        Anita, the fixer, the controlling medium.


        Wonder how Anita and Freddy's mother get along ?  And so peculiar we never see the Kalpoes' step-father.
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        « Reply #804 on: December 04, 2006, 07:25:46 PM »

        This passing of information is mentioned in PVDS statements.
        So, they need to find out what  Freddy said, before Joran will say any more.
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        Didn't KJ say all this before that Paulus was interferring with a criminal case ? Or, I forgot, he was in the kitchen and didn't hear it.
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        And it wasn't his idea, it was his wife's, who BTW is not a lawyer and cannot be disbarred.
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        « Reply #805 on: December 04, 2006, 07:26:21 PM »

        Thanks for the trans...sandy.
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        « Reply #806 on: December 04, 2006, 07:29:25 PM »

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        Thanks for the trans...sandy.


        Same here.
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        « Reply #807 on: December 04, 2006, 07:29:57 PM »

        Yes Sandy TY.
        This is just getting better and better.
        And I hope that Jossy keeps it up.
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        « Reply #808 on: December 04, 2006, 07:31:35 PM »

        Whne were they thinking of releasing them from " suspicion " ?
        This week or when SinterKlass comes ?
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        « Reply #809 on: December 04, 2006, 07:32:20 PM »

        It's sounding more and more like Anita is up to her big white bra in this.
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        « Reply #810 on: December 04, 2006, 07:38:02 PM »

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        It's sounding more and more like Anita is up to her big white bra in this.


        lol

        IIRC, there was a Dutch Hasbikos article from waaay back that referred to her as a witness/suspect. I have no link, but i think it is possible that there is a PV from her. At least there should be.
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        « Reply #811 on: December 04, 2006, 07:38:40 PM »

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        It's sounding more and more like Anita is up to her big white bra in this.


        BET THE FARM on that one


        BET the BRA ........too  Cool
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        « Reply #812 on: December 04, 2006, 07:41:46 PM »

        "when the black turned to white"

        all i can think of is...GRAY

        like the color of the skin turned GRAY

        bastards
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        « Reply #813 on: December 04, 2006, 07:42:23 PM »

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        Quote from: "MuffyBee"
        It's sounding more and more like Anita is up to her big white bra in this.


        lol

        IIRC, there was a Dutch Hasbikos article from waaay back that referred to her as a witness/suspect. I have no link, but i think it is possible that there is a PV from her. At least there should be.


        Hmm.  Just maybe there needs to be more found out about Anita.   I don't remember very much information available about her.  And she was coming and going to Joran in the jail and etc.  And what really drives me up the wall was this stuff when she supposedly described Natalee's panties:--(.  There is just something really, really wrong with Anita.
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        « Reply #814 on: December 04, 2006, 07:42:26 PM »

        Sandy: Merry Christmas to you. Thank you so much for the translation.
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        « Reply #815 on: December 04, 2006, 07:42:34 PM »

        ANITA knows he is a monster


        she even gave him his own apartment

        she was skerrrrrrrrrrred of him
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        « Reply #816 on: December 04, 2006, 07:44:22 PM »

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        ANITA knows he is a monster


        she even gave him his own apartment

        she was skerrrrrrrrrrred of him

        She probably gave him his own apt. so he wouldn't be mean to his brother all the time.  They had to put him somewhere...
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        « Reply #817 on: December 04, 2006, 07:46:56 PM »

        I still would like to know a lot more about Anita and just what her role has been in the background.  While our focus has been on other players, what has she been doing?  What strings was she pulling?  Was she carrying messages?  Interviewing?  Covering tracks up like a cat in a litter box?
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        « Reply #818 on: December 04, 2006, 07:50:49 PM »

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        I still would like to know a lot more about Anita and just what her role has been in the background.  While our focus has been on other players, what has she been doing?  What strings was she pulling?  Was she carrying messages?  Interviewing?  Covering tracks up like a cat in a litter box?


        Yep, all the above and more I'm sure.
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        « Reply #819 on: December 04, 2006, 07:52:32 PM »

        de Vries should have enough material to go with four more programs at least.
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