Natalee Case Discussion #825 10/12/09 - 11/07/09

[can]

Maybe someone can help me make sense of this.  It has bothered me since these two conversations took place - and I can't seem to make heads or tails of it. 

John Q Kelly obviously spoke with Hans Mos about the new evidence, and Mos told him precisely what it was.

Then after a visit to Aruba, John turns around and does something he had never done before - trashed Hans Mos thoroughly.

Why?

Here we have Hans Mos, 10 Prosecutors, a Judge in the Netherlands, and the FBI (see quote below) all knowing about this new evidence - and at least all but the FBI had personally seen it.

All agreed it was definitely grounds for re-detentions, and met the now much higher burden necessary for re-detainment.



Greta Van Susteren: "So it's physical evidence, something you can actually touch or feel

John Q Kelly: Or see. Sure.

Greta: or some scientific thing

John: Absolutely

http://youtube.com/watch?v=KzAAC0Mxcro
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=615.msg468972#msg468972
very last thing
 
 
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John Q. Kelly On the Record w/ Greta December 4, 2007

KELLY: Well, in their press release and even in conversations. I had a long discussion with him Thanksgiving morning after the arrests, and you know, he indicated that they were very confident, this new evidence they had, this incriminating evidence. And it turns out, quite frankly, that it is nothing new ... did JQK see it (the purported new evidence?) or was new evidence absent in the discussion/mtg. with Mos or did Mos actually say there is no new evidence, it was my excuse to bring the parents to Aruba for questioning.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So you can say with 100 percent certainly there's nothing new, right?

KELLY: I can say it with 99 percent. Why did JQK leave that 1% window?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314966,00.html



So here is what does not make sense to me.  JQK had been told by Mos what the evidence was prior to that first conversation with Greta.

Then he comes back saying it was not new evidence, and roundly trashed Mos - something he had never done before.


So to me, there are a few possibilities of what happened....

1 - Mos lied to JQK, and there WAS NO new evidence which would have required
      a - 10 prosecutors collaborating to lie about new evidence and hope no one would notice - not likely
      b - paid off the Neth judge to get him to agree to the arrest - unlikely
      c - lied to the FBI about new evidence - maybe
     
 
or
 
2 - The new evidence DOES exist, and JQK came back and told Greta what he did, because was playing along with Mos by showing outrage and disgust..........in order to help keep Mos' cover intact - if this is the case, why didn't JQK lay low = not help or hinder, if there was a Mos cover.

or

3 - ??????????? - don't know, inexplicable. 

I would have preferred JQK simply say that if Mos had new evidence he didn't show it.



http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20170898,00.html

December 10, 2007
Vol. 68
No. 24
 

The call caught Beth Holloway totally off guard. On the night before Thanksgiving, an FBI liaison phoned to inform her that on the strength of new evidence authorities in Aruba were rearresting the three young men—Joran van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe and his brother Satish—who have long been under suspicion in the disappearance of Holloway's daughter Natalee in May 2005.

My comments in red - can.

[jen3560]

2NJ - But that's precisely the question, isn't it?

Mos gathered the evidence, analyzed it with 10 other prosecutor's, it passed the sniff test of the judge in the Neth, and the arrest was made.

I can find no fault in those actions.....

THEN, Judge Smid threw it all out.  Again.  Before Mos even had a chance to finish going over it with the suspects.

So who really failed here? 

You're making me think of Arlene and the 'you don't understand our legal system' topic.   

Oh NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

I'm SO sorry for any such recollections my posts have caused you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[can]

Maybe someone can help me make sense of this.  It has bothered me since these two conversations took place - and I can't seem to make heads or tails of it. 

John Q Kelly obviously spoke with Hans Mos about the new evidence, and Mos told him precisely what it was.

Then after a visit to Aruba, John turns around and does something he had never done before - trashed Hans Mos thoroughly.

Why?

Here we have Hans Mos, 10 Prosecutors, a Judge in the Netherlands, and the FBI (see quote below) all knowing about this new evidence - and at least all but the FBI had personally seen it.

All agreed it was definitely grounds for re-detentions, and met the now much higher burden necessary for re-detainment.



Greta Van Susteren: "So it's physical evidence, something you can actually touch or feel

John Q Kelly: Or see. Sure.

Greta: or some scientific thing

John: Absolutely

http://youtube.com/watch?v=KzAAC0Mxcro
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=615.msg468972#msg468972
very last thing
 
 
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John Q. Kelly On the Record w/ Greta December 4, 2007

KELLY: Well, in their press release and even in conversations. I had a long discussion with him Thanksgiving morning after the arrests, and you know, he indicated that they were very confident, this new evidence they had, this incriminating evidence. And it turns out, quite frankly, that it is nothing new ... did JQK see it (the purported new evidence?) or was new evidence absent in the discussion/mtg. with Mos or did Mos actually say there is no new evidence, it was my excuse to bring the parents to Aruba for questioning.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So you can say with 100 percent certainly there's nothing new, right?

KELLY: I can say it with 99 percent. Why did JQK leave that 1% window?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314966,00.html



So here is what does not make sense to me.  JQK had been told by Mos what the evidence was prior to that first conversation with Greta.

Then he comes back saying it was not new evidence, and roundly trashed Mos - something he had never done before.


So to me, there are a few possibilities of what happened....

1 - Mos lied to JQK, and there WAS NO new evidence which would have required
      a - 10 prosecutors collaborating to lie about new evidence and hope no one would notice - not likely
      b - paid off the Neth judge to get him to agree to the arrest - unlikely
      c - lied to the FBI about new evidence - maybe
     
 
or
 
2 - The new evidence DOES exist, and JQK came back and told Greta what he did, because was playing along with Mos by showing outrage and disgust..........in order to help keep Mos' cover intact - if this is the case, why didn't JQK lay low = not help or hinder, if there was a Mos cover.

or

3 - ??????????? - don't know, inexplicable. 

I would have preferred JQK simply say that if Mos had new evidence he didn't show it.



http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20170898,00.html

December 10, 2007
Vol. 68
No. 24
 

The call caught Beth Holloway totally off guard. On the night before Thanksgiving, an FBI liaison phoned to inform her that on the strength of new evidence authorities in Aruba were rearresting the three young men—Joran van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe and his brother Satish—who have long been under suspicion in the disappearance of Holloway's daughter Natalee in May 2005.

My comments in red - can.

oops - my comments didn't show in red - I'm flippin' hopeless grr.

[jen3560]

Maybe someone can help me make sense of this.  It has bothered me since these two conversations took place - and I can't seem to make heads or tails of it. 

John Q Kelly obviously spoke with Hans Mos about the new evidence, and Mos told him precisely what it was.

Then after a visit to Aruba, John turns around and does something he had never done before - trashed Hans Mos thoroughly.

Why?

Here we have Hans Mos, 10 Prosecutors, a Judge in the Netherlands, and the FBI (see quote below) all knowing about this new evidence - and at least all but the FBI had personally seen it.

All agreed it was definitely grounds for re-detentions, and met the now much higher burden necessary for re-detainment.



Greta Van Susteren: "So it's physical evidence, something you can actually touch or feel

John Q Kelly: Or see. Sure.

Greta: or some scientific thing

John: Absolutely

http://youtube.com/watch?v=KzAAC0Mxcro
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=615.msg468972#msg468972
very last thing
 
 
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John Q. Kelly On the Record w/ Greta December 4, 2007

KELLY: Well, in their press release and even in conversations. I had a long discussion with him Thanksgiving morning after the arrests, and you know, he indicated that they were very confident, this new evidence they had, this incriminating evidence. And it turns out, quite frankly, that it is nothing new ... did JQK see it (the purported new evidence?) or was new evidence absent in the discussion/mtg. with Mos or did Mos actually say there is no new evidence, it was my excuse to bring the parents to Aruba for questioning.  John never said.  He just simply didn't elaborate.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So you can say with 100 percent certainly there's nothing new, right?

KELLY: I can say it with 99 percent. Why did JQK leave that 1% window?  Ah, that is a good question, no?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314966,00.html



So here is what does not make sense to me.  JQK had been told by Mos what the evidence was prior to that first conversation with Greta.

Then he comes back saying it was not new evidence, and roundly trashed Mos - something he had never done before.


So to me, there are a few possibilities of what happened....

1 - Mos lied to JQK, and there WAS NO new evidence which would have required
      a - 10 prosecutors collaborating to lie about new evidence and hope no one would notice - not likely  Agreed
      b - paid off the Neth judge to get him to agree to the arrest - unlikely  Agreed
      c - lied to the FBI about new evidence - maybe  LOL - Agreed
     
 
or
 
2 - The new evidence DOES exist, and JQK came back and told Greta what he did, because was playing along with Mos by showing outrage and disgust..........in order to help keep Mos' cover intact - if this is the case, why didn't JQK lay low = not help or hinder, if there was a Mos cover.  IMO, because they all knew there was a HUGE audience wanting to know what was happening, and for John to have said nothing would have caused speculation to run rampant.or

3 - ??????????? - don't know, inexplicable.  LOL-  and that's precisely where I'm at.  Is there another possibility here?  Because I certainly don't believe option #1.

I would have preferred JQK simply say that if Mos had new evidence he didn't show it.  I would have too, but then I think the same as my above response - WE were waiting for info.


http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20170898,00.html

December 10, 2007
Vol. 68
No. 24
 

The call caught Beth Holloway totally off guard. On the night before Thanksgiving, an FBI liaison phoned to inform her that on the strength of new evidence authorities in Aruba were rearresting the three young men—Joran van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe and his brother Satish—who have long been under suspicion in the disappearance of Holloway's daughter Natalee in May 2005.

oops - my comments didn't show in red - I'm flippin' hopeless grr.

[/quote]

That's ok - I think I got them all....mine back in purple

[can]

Can - I know you don't know me very well, so this likely won't mean to you what it does to me.

It's not often that something touches me enough to make me to cry, but the way you worded your post did it.  "With Hope" just really struck me.

Thank you. 


NOW - I know I don't make the rules here, but where I used to post - making me cry was against the rules!  That would put a person in TIME OUT!   


 

Well, ever heard of a rule change?! lol
Rivers of tears have flowed for dear Natalee. 
Your tears are an expression of your caring. (((((((00000)))))))

[can]

Jen thanks for fixing me up in red and for your purple comments.

re "John never said.  He simply did not elaborate." 

...but, but...I would like to know!!  

[can]

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0

Thank you 2NJ!  I say it every time to myself, even though you can't hear me. 
I always find your reminders, uplifting.

[jen3560]

Jen thanks for fixing me up in red and for your purple comments.

re "John never said.  He simply did not elaborate." 

...but, but...I would like to know!!  

    Me too!!!

[Kermit]

BODY DISPOSAL IS 6 MONTHS JAIL SENTENCE (in Holland).
KIDNAPPING AND RAPE = 8 YEARS IN PRISON



EVIDENCE OF MURDER IS WHAT IS NEEDED!
NO BODY NO CRIME.

November 22, 2007 Hans Mos makes the third arrest of Joran and Kalpoe's.


November 26, 2007
Hans Mos, Aruba's chief prosecutor, told ABC News he believes the the new evidence makes the case against the three men stronger than it was two years ago.
"We are convinced if we had had this evidence we have now they would not have been released by the court at that time," Mos said.
http://sendtofriend.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=3912737


November 27, 2007 On the Record with Greta
MOS: And this decision to re-arrest these three suspects was a decision taken by 10 lawyers, by 10 lawyers sitting around a table (INAUDIBLE) whole afternoon, being presented the new material.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313168,00.html

Prosecutor Dop Kruimel told The Associated Press that investigators have evidence from cell phone calls and text messages between the brothers and van der Sloot.
http://cbs11tv.com/national/joran.van.der.2.594763.html

BY DECEMBER THE NEW EVIDENCE TURNS TO CHOCOLATE
December 4, 2007
KELLY: Well, in their press release and even in conversations. I had a long discussion with him Thanksgiving morning after the arrests, and you know, he indicated that they were very confident, this new evidence they had, this incriminating evidence. And it turns out, quite frankly, that it is nothing new ...[/u]
VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So you can say with 100 percent certainly there's nothing new, right?
KELLY: I can say it with 99 percent.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314966,00.html


December 8, 2007
Prosecutor Hans Mos said he does not anticipate ever finding Holloway's remains. "It's very hard to try a case without a body," he said. "It's not impossible, but you need substantial evidence that somebody was killed."
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/12/08/news/CB-GEN-Aruba-Missing-Teen.php


December 10, 2007
Vol. 68
No. 24
The call caught Beth Holloway totally off guard. On the night before Thanksgiving, an FBI liaison phoned to inform her that on the strength of new evidence authorities in Aruba were rearresting the three young men—Joran van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe and his brother Satish—who have long been under suspicion in the disappearance of Holloway's daughter Natalee in May 2005.
http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20170898,00.html

December 18, 2007
The Public Prosecutor’s Office expects that if this case would be tried in court it would lead to an acquittal of all three suspects on these various charges. Given that expectation the Public Prosecutor could no longer press charges against all three. It is contrary to the professional conduct to prosecute someone if the prosecutor himself expects an acquittal.
http://www.nbc13.com/gulfcoastwest/vtm/news.apx.-content-articles-VTM-2007-12-18-0004.html


December 20, 2007
The country's chief prosecutor says the file includes an Internet chat session in which 1 of the three top suspects in the case said Natalee Holloway is dead.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080205/aruba_holloway_080205?s_name=&no_ads=

The courts in Aruba will likely accept the tape as evidence because it was recorded by a private citizen without any influence by authorities, Chief Prosecutor Hans Mos told reporters.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,328130,00.html


December 20, 2007 - Capslockwizard registers at Scared Monkeys.

December 29, 2007 - RV Persistence dive on cage/trap.

December 30, 2007 - RV Persistence dive on cage/trap again. Tim Miller and Dateline gone from boat.

January 7, 2008 - Aruba only divers retrive evidence from cage/trap.

January 10, 2008 is the first trip with Patrick (p.73 Patricks book)

January 29, 2008 is the final car trip.


Jan 11, 2008 Joran on air with deVries


January 24, 2008
Interview between Hans Mos and Peter deVries.

‘Why can’t you complete this case?’ Because we lacked forensic evidence, we didn’t have the body, there were no witnesses. One has to depend in large part on the parties involved in this situation. Of these parties he was the most important and if he keeps his mouth shut or doesn’t tell the truth, it is extremely difficult for us. Now at least the truth is surfacing and with that we can at least wrap up the case.”
http://www.peterrdevries.com/interview-mr-mos.htm

Jan. 31, 2008
10 days before the Ranger Rover confession Kyle met downtown in public with Mos
(date tapes were released, Jan. 31 st is when Beth saw them with DeVries)

JAN. 31 -John and I are the only ones left from the original crew who flew in on 15-Dec. I'll be here until it's finished.
 


Febuary 1, 2008
Aruban Officals to Reopen Natalee Holloway's Case.
http://cbs11tv.com/national/natalee.holloway.disappearance.2.642404.html

Feb. 3, (Sun) Range Rover tapes aired.

Feb. mid - Kyle in U.S. trying to strike a deal for the ROV images.

ONE WEEK BEFORE THE PHOTO OF THE CAGE WITH WHAT APPEARS TO BE REMAINS HITS THE INTERNET, THEN NEXT WEEK RUDY CROES ACCUSES JAN VAN DER STRAATON AS BEING INVOLVED IN THE COVER-UP.[/u]


FEBRUARY 22, 2008 DATLEINE AIRS THE CAGE/TRAP PHOTOS


September 19, 2008
In an A & E Mysteries "What Happened to Natalee Holloway?" television interview with news journalist Bill Kurtis -  Hans Mos states that he has seen no evidence of a cover-up, thinks Aruba did all it could to solve the case, and blamed the U.S. media for disrupting the investigation.
http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/



ON JUNE 8 THERE IS AN ARTICLE IN THE PRESS ABOUT THEY WILL BE BUILDING A PIPELINE TO THE ISLAND OF ARUBA[/b]


JUNE 10 KYLE TELLS YOU JOHN IS SERIOUSLY MAKING PLANS TO OPEN AN OFFICE IN ARUBA SO HE CAN CONDUCT BUSINESS EASIER IN SOUTH AMERICA, AND THAT WOULD ALLOW HIM TO DO IT

[Kermit]

DOES HANS MOS OR ANY PROSECUTOR NEED A BODY IN ORDER TO GET A CONVICTION?

ACCORDING TO THE LAW: MURDER/MANSLAUGHTER

Murder is a form of homicide committed with malice aforethought. Malice aforethought has various definitions, all of which relate to the state of mind of the person who commits murder. Those definitions are:

a.intention to cause grevious injury and death resulted;

b.conduct with a "depraved heart" showing lack of care for human life;

Under Dutch law, there ARE charges that apply here of obstruction of justice and obstruction of an investigation. Lying, such as when J. SLOOT, DEEPAK and SATISH lied about leaving NATALEE at the “Holiday Inn,” WOULD constitute an obstruction of one or the other kind depending on the lie.


Joran: “I knew she wanted to f*** (talks about Natalee)”
Joran: “I then gave her a bacardi 151 (75% alcohol). She asked for a chaser, I see shes so drunk, but I thought: Im gonna f*** her.”
Joran: “So I said to S&D, drop us on the beach, Ill f*** her”
Joran: “Then she started shaking like crazy... The beach was empty, I walked to her, no reaction, she just kept shaking, NO foam around her mouth”
Joran: “I picked Nat up and put her near the mangrove trees at the mariott. “


At this point Joran is aware that Natalee is in distress, but he does nothing to help her. He doesn't call 911, he doesn't yell for help, he doesn't run to the Marriott and call for anyone to help her.

Involuntary manslaughter exists when a person commits an unlawful killing but does not intend to kill and does not act with the conscious disregard for human life.

Joran: “I started thinking, no one know I even left the house. But I knew this guy I "had" something on, so I phoned him.

Joran: she is in the ocean.

Patrick: how did you know she died?

Joran: I just knew

P: did you try CPR?

Joran: I tried everything, I pulled her up

P: how did you know if she was dead? wasn't she in a coma?

J: I didnt know.

P: did you feel her'?

J; no, but it didn't look good...

Joran: I wasn't sure she was dead.


Joran: “I only spent 2 hours with her. I fingerfucked her, she jerked me off, I just wanted to ask her for a blowjob went she started shaking... I didn't lose a nights sleep, I have to look good"


He has her disposed of and doesn't even know whether she is dead or still alive.
http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/40829/08150258/joran_loopt_volledig_leeg.html

EXTRADITE JORAN VAN DER SLOOT, PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT AND KALPOE'S TO THE UNITED STATES TO STAND TRAIL AND WE'LL SEE IF WE NEED A BODY IN ORDER TO PROSECUTE!
 

Gerard Spong, a prominent Dutch attorney, stated earlier today that there is a very real chance that van der Sloot may win the criminal case, but will be unable to win a civil suit brought by the surviving family members. Since there is an extradition treaty between the Netherlands and the United States, possible damages may be "..far more than he will ever be able to repay. The American system for awarding damages can have devastating results."
http://equivocationnation.blogspot.com/

[jen3560]

   Oh Kerm - that one was good!!!


BY DECEMBER THE NEW EVIDENCE TURNS TO CHOCOLATE
December 4, 2007
KELLY: Well, in their press release and even in conversations. I had a long discussion with him Thanksgiving morning after the arrests, and you know, he indicated that they were very confident, this new evidence they had, this incriminating evidence. And it turns out, quite frankly, that it is nothing new ...[/u]
VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So you can say with 100 percent certainly there's nothing new, right?
KELLY: I can say it with 99 percent.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314966,00.html
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Kerm - I know what your thoughts were a year ago regarding Mos.  Where is your thinking now?  Same, changed?

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_64411.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Petro China visit

October 29, 2009, 13:44 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Formateur Mike Eman (AVP) today again talks with Petro China, the Chinese state oil company that the Valero refinery in San Nicolas wants to take. Last week rumors circulated again strong Valero Petro China and agreed on the sale. Eman: "I do not know if there is already signed, but I have the feeling that the talks with China Petro Valero and very far. So much will depend on whether Petro China with the government to reach agreement.

"The prime minister stressed that the aim of government is crucial that the employment of Arubans who now works at Valero, guaranteed for the acquisition and of those who jobs (subcontractors) are now lost. "I feel that the number of people that PetroChina would come so dire. For us, the willingness on tax liabilities is important. But I'm not sure if their wishes regarding the payment of tax will fall into. So that will now hear more about, "Eman said last night.

The outgoing Prime Minister Nelson Oduber did not know so long ago that the negotiations with Petro China detained because the Chinese company with a large number of corporate employees will come. Petro China also would require the same tax benefits that Coastal, the predecessor of Valero, the time has been given.

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_64407.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

'Investigation of van der Straten not imposed'

October 29, 2009, 13:42 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Attorney General Rob Pietersz denies commissioned by the Minister of Justice, or at the insistence of the Dutch State Secretary of Kingdom Relations Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (CDA) has launched an investigation into the actions of then chief Jan van der Straten to the beginning of the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The PG says the research on their own initiative to have started one days after Justice Minister Rudy Croes (MEP) have expressed doubts about the integrity of the commissioner at the beginning of the study. PG also says the final report of the investigation had not yet read, as earlier this week in this newspaper.

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_64413.php

Google translation:

MPs sworn in

October 29, 2009, 13:45 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - Lainda Kemp-Westerhof (ASF) is sworn in as governor by Statenlid Fredis Refunjol. In the presence of family, press and the cabinet is sworn in tomorrow, were the groups of AVP, MEP and PDR morning by the governor sworn in the State of Aruba. During his speech urged the members of the States Refunjol out to each other to keep the dialogue going.

"This is the ultimate place for dialogue. Keep that in mind and not go out of the way, was the message. He also gave much to expect from the group of Partido Democracia Real regarding coming up with draft laws. Striking was the absence of MEP-parliamentary groups Ady Thijsen during the official inauguration. Because of problems with his car he took the start of the ceremony in its own words "just not". It was immediately after the ceremony in a separate room in front of State President Wyatt-Ras by the Governor subsequently sworn.

Yesterday morning the previous parliament approved the credentials of the new parliamentarians well. Tomorrow is a new parliament elected president and will lead the meeting which approved the new Cabinet should be. Then the cabinet sworn in by the governor and following a feast for the Government Office. It also made the Dutch State Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (CDA) and the Antillean Prime Minister Emily De Jongh Elhage (PAR).

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_64412.php

Google translation:

Bijleveld on tourist admissions policy

October 29, 2009, 13:45 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - State Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (CDA) of Kingdom Relations remains yet in the admission policy, which other European Dutch has not changed. This despite the Minister of Immigration Booshi Wever (MEP) has now admitted that the European system for Dutch "slightly changed".

Bijleveld tomorrow in connection with the change of government on the island, she again enhanced the admission arrangements for discussing the new European Dutch Aruban government. "I am convinced that there is no change, but that now the rules that were changed, run." The State does indicate that there "a number of obstacles in it" looked good and that there should be.

Second MP Hero Brinkman (PVV) considers that the rules "to the detriment of most Dutch have changed. He would like the Secretary is '300 percent 'is committed to a flexible admission policy for European Dutch. Brinkman also wants to know what Bijleveld "SLIGHTLY change 'is exactly occurred. He goes through the recent remarks from Minister Weaver replied that the original of Bijleveld, which she said that no change was actually only a tightening of border control, not true.

Overpopulation
The PVV member feels that Dutch should be free to Aruba, "as Arubans are free to the Netherlands can. "I'm going here very hard for it", let the MP know in an interview with Radio Netherlands. The argument that the small size of the islands with such a rule would lead to overcrowding, Brinkman sweep the table. "For years it was possible with an interval of one months, just for years as a Dutch resident in Aruba. This is not about people on the island brought about. "Should the State be unable to this free movement of persons between the Kingdom of countries to get done, we find that Brinkman Arubans in the Netherlands the same rules should apply. "That means 180 days per calendar year." He would also strange as it fails to Bijleveld for Dutch in Aruba to acquire the same rights as Arubans in the Netherlands. "I was the Secretary of the statute in the hand can do this perfectly."

Dutch allowed without permit 180 days "as tourists' stay on the island. Previously this calendar year. With the recent introduction of the new Aliens Admission Decision However the text was adapted so that now a 12 months period is calculated. A small change with big implications for some European Dutch who regularly come to the island and here for example half house.

[texasmom]

ARUBA
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_64405.php

Google translation:

New KIA staff prison

October 29, 2009, 13:40 (GMT -04:00)




SAN NICOLAS - KIA in prison yesterday in the presence of outgoing Justice Minister Rudy Croes (MEP) 23 new sworn employees. The new staff consists of 18 guards and 5 persons for government saver Cuerpo Especial Arubano (CEA). Croes said that outside "very scary" KIA seems to work, "but once you work falls into the giant". The minister also asked the new workers in their strength to stand and not be bribed. Thus, despite the strict control according Croes still see drug-smuggling and telephone in the prison. The minister warned Tuesday despite the new immigration staff to not to be corrupt. Those days were 27 and not 30 as in this newspaper yesterday, sworn employees of the immigration service.

[jen3560]

ARUBA
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_64405.php

Google translation:

New KIA staff prison

October 29, 2009, 13:40 (GMT -04:00)




SAN NICOLAS - KIA in prison yesterday in the presence of outgoing Justice Minister Rudy Croes (MEP) 23 new sworn employees. The new staff consists of 18 guards and 5 persons for government saver Cuerpo Especial Arubano (CEA). Croes said that outside "very scary" KIA seems to work, "but once you work falls into the giant". The minister also asked the new workers in their strength to stand and not be bribed. Thus, despite the strict control according Croes still see drug-smuggling and telephone in the prison. The minister warned Tuesday despite the new immigration staff to not to be corrupt. Those days were 27 and not 30 as in this newspaper yesterday, sworn employees of the immigration service.

 

[jen3560]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_64407.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

'Investigation of van der Straten not imposed'

October 29, 2009, 13:42 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Attorney General Rob Pietersz denies commissioned by the Minister of Justice, or at the insistence of the Dutch State Secretary of Kingdom Relations Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (CDA) has launched an investigation into the actions of then chief Jan van der Straten to the beginning of the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The PG says the research on their own initiative to have started one days after Justice Minister Rudy Croes (MEP) have expressed doubts about the integrity of the commissioner at the beginning of the study. PG also says the final report of the investigation had not yet read, as earlier this week in this newspaper.

So the "oil man" returned to Aruba, said his office was not ordered to do this investigation, that they did it on their own.

K................

And that he has not yet seen it?  Or is that maybe an off translation and he's saying the final report is not finished?

[texasmom]

From RU:

Linda in L.A. Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:24 am   

This post is from RWV. I apologize for the way I've quoted...but I couldn't figure out how to bring it here. At any rate...I find it interesting. Does anyone know who JanvdS met and spoke with on the phone that would get him taken off the case? Glenda...can you let us know please.


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Glenda wrote:
MF posted on FOB that JanvdS was being investigated.

sunmoonstars wrote: Did he post why he is being investigated?


Knot wrote: of course not he was a republican..but the democrats posted it all over the place


Glenda wrote: I don't know if MF mentioned it, but the Minister of Justice announce yesterday on FM95 that it was because of who he met with and spoke with on the telephone prior to the 3 young suspects being arrested.
This was also a reason to dismiss him from the case and replace him with Dompig on June 4th. JanvdS went to court on June 6th and was reinstated. 

[Buckeye]

Ten lawyers, in a room, doesn't mean a thing.  Five were probably from the government and five from tourism.  Mos probably said "we've got nothing".  They probably said, well, you better pretend it's something because our internet survey people say that Aruba should do something... we can't just close this case.  There is no statement saying they were criminal lawyers or even smart lawyers. For all I know, it could have been the nine Sloot lawyers and the Kalpoe lawyer.

My guess is that the "oil man" wants the investigation to be all his because then he doesn't have to give a report to anyone.  He can say (or not say) whatever he wants.