Natalee Case Discussion #825 10/12/09 - 11/07/09

[texasmom]

Good morning everyone!

Texas Mom - Thank you for the transcript.  What a lot of work...a labour of love imo.

2NJ_Mom - Thank you too!  Also thanks for the candle reminders.

Magnolia - I enjoy reading your well thought out and logical opinions here and on the missing children's threads.

Do we have any Dutch posters presently?  I would ask if anyone is reading
here if they'd be kind enough to give Peter Devries a shout and ask him if he is still on watch for Natalee and if there is any information he can give at this time or if there will be in the future? I know that I would find a word or two from Peter encouraging.  If one of our Dutch friends is willing to do this, it would be so nice to hear from you.  Please and thank you!

Thanks for the compliment, can!   

This is just my opinion but in if I were a Dutch poster that still has an active membership here I would probably be reluctant to post considering the contention of some Monkeys that no one Dutch is to be trusted.  Personally, I don't judge all Dutch by what we've seen from some in relation to this case; and I miss the input of some of our Dutch posters that have been absent for quite a while now.

caesu being one.

And although I'm not sure if the membership is still active or not, and we may not have always seen eye to eye on every aspect; I appreciated what GBMW brought to the forum.  It's interesting to me that some who were very instrumental in GBMW's leaving SM had only praise and positive remarks for the same poster on another forum while I was still able to view it.

Coincidence?  Me thinks not.

 

 

Hi Sis!  Good to see you!   

[texasmom]

Texasmom

I am entitled to present an other side to an issue that is being discussed on the forum without being attacked.  A respectful dialogue regarding GBMW would be appreciated.

Also ... I have quotes where GBMW upholds the Kalpoes ... claims they are innocent and ... Joran told the truth about them in the Range Rover recordings.  Then there are the quotes ... subtley undermining the mother of Natalee Holloway and and ... praising trolls like Charlierat ... upholding RU.  I am in the process of compiling them right now.

I would think you would be interested in GBMW being exposed for who she is.

There was a time I also upheld GBMW ... at time prior to her revealing her true loyalties in the Natalee Holloway story.

Janet

You have not been attacked.  I have the right to reinforce or "remind" about any portion of MY OPINION that I've posted just as you do.

I could consider your post an attack, but I don't since it's typical of your response to any opinion you don't agree with.

I don't care if you uphold GBMW or not, I stand by my opinion.  And I don't intend to debate the issue any further with you.

Quite frankly, I consider much of your recent speculation as "subtle undermining" of the opinion represented to the public and this forum by Beth Holloway regarding certain issues.

But then again, that's just my opinion.

Texasmom, thank you for posting this comment.  I was beginning to think I was the only one who has seen signs of this happening.  It seems everyone in this whole picture has been in the firing line and I cannot believe that all involved are as guilty as some would have them charged.  I agree that all on Aruba are guilty in their varying degrees which includes the crime and consequent cover up on all levels.  But those who only seek the truth, and do whatever they think may aid in this, have been held up to censure by some who appear to spend their entire waking lives finding fault with them.  The day that Beth is openly accused of anything other than wanting answers and closure of the crime that caused her to lose her beloved daughter, however she feels that needs to be addressed, is the day I will explode on these pages.

And I also do not feel that bombarding other posters with endless, and usually out of context quotes, is one side of a reasonable discussion.

Carry on ....

Thank you Tibro...and I agree with you 100%.   

[texasmom]

I feel so Southern today!   

I am cooking turnip greens, pork chops, baked sweet potatoes and cornbread. YUMMMMM.
and watching football on TV.

Well put your Eastern hat on later on when the Yankees are playing 

I am rootin' for your Yankees, San! 

Yep, me too.  It would be cool for the first place team (National League) to be neighbors to the second place team (American League).

 

Mod Wars!

 

You're sooooo bad!   

[Magnolia]

Texasmom

I am entitled to present an other side to an issue that is being discussed on the forum without being attacked.  A respectful dialogue regarding GBMW would be appreciated.

Also ... I have quotes where GBMW upholds the Kalpoes ... claims they are innocent and ... Joran told the truth about them in the Range Rover recordings.  Then there are the quotes ... subtley undermining the mother of Natalee Holloway and and ... praising trolls like Charlierat ... upholding RU.  I am in the process of compiling them right now.

I would think you would be interested in GBMW being exposed for who she is.

There was a time I also upheld GBMW ... at time prior to her revealing her true loyalties in the Natalee Holloway story.

Janet

You have not been attacked.  I have the right to reinforce or "remind" about any portion of MY OPINION that I've posted just as you do.

I could consider your post an attack, but I don't since it's typical of your response to any opinion you don't agree with.

I don't care if you uphold GBMW or not, I stand by my opinion.  And I don't intend to debate the issue any further with you.

Quite frankly, I consider much of your recent speculation as "subtle undermining" of the opinion represented to the public and this forum by Beth Holloway regarding certain issues.

But then again, that's just my opinion.

Texasmom, thank you for posting this comment.  I was beginning to think I was the only one who has seen signs of this happening.  It seems everyone in this whole picture has been in the firing line and I cannot believe that all involved are as guilty as some would have them charged.  I agree that all on Aruba are guilty in their varying degrees which includes the crime and consequent cover up on all levels.  But those who only seek the truth, and do whatever they think may aid in this, have been held up to censure by some who appear to spend their entire waking lives finding fault with them.  The day that Beth is openly accused of anything other than wanting answers and closure of the crime that caused her to lose her beloved daughter, however she feels that needs to be addressed, is the day I will explode on these pages.

And I also do not feel that bombarding other posters with endless, and usually out of context quotes, is one side of a reasonable discussion.

Carry on ....

Yeah, Tibro!!

[Keepthefaith]

We all have our own opinions,thoughts,as well as make our own choices.Anyone who CHOOSES not to post do to another's opinion has the right to do so but,do not blame other's for YOUR CHOICES!!OWN THEM!THEY ARE YOURS,NO ONE ELSES!The only one that LOSES by anyone CHOOSING NOT to post is Natalee Holloway!

This talk about running the good & clever Monkey's off is utterly disrespectful to those many Monkey's who continue to post,dig & research!This isn't about people's personal feelings..It's about JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY......PERIOD.........................................

[Mere]

Hello there.... checking on the evening crew....

   San I don't know what happened....!

Check back later...

 

[wreck]

We all have our own opinions,thoughts,as well as make our own choices.Anyone who CHOOSES not to post do to another's opinion has the right to do so but,do not blame other's for YOUR CHOICES!!OWN THEM!THEY ARE YOURS,NO ONE ELSES!The only one that LOSES by anyone CHOOSING NOT to post is Natalee Holloway!

This talk about running the good & clever Monkey's off is utterly disrespectful to those many Monkey's who continue to post,dig & research!This isn't about people's personal feelings..It's about JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY......PERIOD.........................................

That is absolutely correct KTF ... but, of course it has to work both ways. I think Tib is spot on about posting and quoting -- the "context" really needs to be considered. I also think that the repetitious quotes are unnecessary. We all can read and comprehend. There is no need to repeat, repeat, and repeat. Make your point and move on . -- JMO

[Keepthefaith]

Hello there.... checking on the evening crew....

   San I don't know what happened....!

Check back later...

 

Good Evening Mere!

[Magnolia]

We all have our own opinions,thoughts,as well as make our own choices.Anyone who CHOOSES not to post do to another's opinion has the right to do so but,do not blame other's for YOUR CHOICES!!OWN THEM!THEY ARE YOURS,NO ONE ELSES!The only one that LOSES by anyone CHOOSING NOT to post is Natalee Holloway!

This talk about running the good & clever Monkey's off is utterly disrespectful to those many Monkey's who continue to post,dig & research!This isn't about people's personal feelings..It's about JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY......PERIOD.........................................

KTF,
You are right, it is about Natalee.  But even staunch Natalee and Beth supporters have a hard time with the
constant battering that has been happening here.
I really do not like unpleasentness.  I don't expect all to agree on everything.  It's not gonna happen, but give me a
break.   I usually comprehend what I read the first time.  It does not need to be constantly repeated for me to
understand.
If you can explain to me why it is neccessary, then maybe I can appreciate it.
I feel like I am being bullyed and I do not see what good that does to find justice for Natalee

[texasmom]

Hello there.... checking on the evening crew....

   San I don't know what happened....!

Check back later...

 

Present!     Just here and there...and everywhere!   

[Keepthefaith]

I agree that the repetitiveness can be tiring at times.I do remember a time when Monkey's where very greatful for the continued posts from Janet,No?

To open dialogue,i pose this question,what is the solution?

[Magnolia]

I agree that the repetitiveness can be tiring at times.I do remember a time when Monkey's where very greatful for the continued posts from Janet,No?

To open dialogue,i pose this question,what is the solution?

Well, it isn't reasoning with her.

[wreck]

I agree that the repetitiveness can be tiring at times.I do remember a time when Monkey's where very grateful for the continued posts from Janet,No?

To open dialogue,i pose this question,what is the solution?

Things said tonight are just a culmination of a little frustration we ALL feel about where this case is after 4+ years. I want to be VERY clear that I don't for one minute doubt the intentions of ANYONE here --- those of us still here cannot be doubted for their own sincerity for finding justice for Natalee. I said it a few minutes ago -- please respect that we are all rational, literate people here. Make your point succinctly  -- we don't have to agree, but please make your point and move on. If someone has a question for you, respond respectfully and respect that all may not agree with you.

[Keepthefaith]

What Paulus,the perps,disinformation specialists,as well as American traitors want is for the EVIL of their SINS to be silenced.They pay lot's of attention to us Monkey's!We need to continue to question,dig,research,be patient,as well as stand firm in your convictions.PR firms payed for by Aruba pay attentention..WHY?Are we getting to the TRUTH?We still have copy & paste crews.WHY?Because we're getting somewhere!Do we think this will get any easier as we get closer to the TRUTH?Absolutely not......Is PROGRESS being made?You're damn right it is..........JUSTICE IS ALIVE AND WELL AND TRUCKIN DOWN THE ROAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Keepthefaith]

I agree that the repetitiveness can be tiring at times.I do remember a time when Monkey's where very grateful for the continued posts from Janet,No?

To open dialogue,i pose this question,what is the solution?

Things said tonight are just a culmination of a little frustration we ALL feel about where this case is after 4+ years. I want to be VERY clear that I don't for one minute doubt the intentions of ANYONE here --- those of us still here cannot be doubted for their own sincerity for finding justice for Natalee. I said it a few minutes ago -- please respect that we are all rational, literate people here. Make your point succinctly  -- we don't have to agree, but please make your point and move on. If someone has a question for you, respond respectfully and respect that all may not agree with you.

AGREE WRECK!

[billb's daughter]

Maybe it's just me...But I don't mind posts that may or not be viewed by others as repetitive...
what I do mind (and quite frankly- don't care for) posts that try to discourage ANYONE from posting their thoughts.
We are all free to scroll on by if we don't agree - let the mods take issue with any posting/poster they feel is out of line.....
I also don't understand why some feel they have to defend others to the point of discrediting posts.....That isn't the way to get Justice for Natalee.....
Please feel free to post any comments you may have....bash me, trash me.....but at the end of the day...honor  ALL Monkeys that are here for Justice!

[Keepthefaith]

Maybe it's just me...But I don't mind posts that may or not be viewed by others as repetitive...
what I do mind (and quite frankly- don't care for) posts that try to discourage ANYONE from posting their thoughts.
We are all free to scroll on by if we don't agree - let the mods take issue with any posting/poster they feel is out of line.....
I also don't understand why some feel they have to defend others to the point of discrediting posts.....That isn't the way to get Justice for Natalee.....
Please feel free to post any comments you may have....bash me, trash me.....but at the end of the day...honor  ALL Monkeys that are here for Justice!

I agree 110% BillB..TRUTH DOES NOT COME FROM SILENCE!

[wreck]

Maybe it's just me...But I don't mind posts that may or not be viewed by others as repetitive...
what I do mind (and quite frankly- don't care for) posts that try to discourage ANYONE from posting their thoughts.
We are all free to scroll on by if we don't agree - let the mods take issue with any posting/poster they feel is out of line.....
I also don't understand why some feel they have to defend others to the point of discrediting posts.....That isn't the way to get Justice for Natalee.....
Please feel free to post any comments you may have....bash me, trash me.....but at the end of the day...honor  ALL Monkeys that are here for Justice!

I agree 110% BillB..TRUTH DOES NOT COME FROM SILENCE!

TWO WAY STREET!  I also take issue with the "discrediting posts" comment. "Rebutting" a post should not be regarded as "discrediting". It is merely a response. If a post is made in an adamant manner -- it should be addressed in a "respectful" but equally appropriate manner.

[Magnolia]

Maybe it's just me...But I don't mind posts that may or not be viewed by others as repetitive...
what I do mind (and quite frankly- don't care for) posts that try to discourage ANYONE from posting their thoughts.
We are all free to scroll on by if we don't agree - let the mods take issue with any posting/poster they feel is out of line.....
I also don't understand why some feel they have to defend others to the point of discrediting posts.....That isn't the way to get Justice for Natalee.....
Please feel free to post any comments you may have....bash me, trash me.....but at the end of the day...honor  ALL Monkeys that are here for Justice!

I wouldn't dream of bashing or trashing you, billb.  I try not to bash or trash anyone here.
But even when I use my best Sunday School language, I am accused of attacking and being disrespectful.
That is not what I am aiming to do.  Nor do I ever try to discourage anyone from posting what they believe.
I think my thoughts are just as noteworthy as others.......How stupid of me?

[billb's daughter]

I think most agree that the persistence effort was two fold....oil mapping and search for Natalee...
seems the oil mapping was more important to those in charge.....and the searchers for Natalee were blindsided by the john s, louis s, tim t. collaborating with mos, dolf....
kyle went to the dark side...lured by?
Tim M and Dave were lured by marco......time passed, and we don't know why their focus hasn't shifted bact to american traitos/mos/dolf....
pond hoax started by clw and others at the start of the persistence discovery and continues well past the disclosure of the ROV pics/cage/evidence collection by aruba divers only....
Peter/Patrick started RR hidden camera sting before rearrest of urine k2 nov 21 2007....and then continued up again in Jan 2008 when urine returned to NL....two days after the Jan 7 evidence collection by aruba divers....
most all agree persistence/american traitors/mos/dolf and pond hoax were part of a multi-tiered cover up...
Why so much resistance to scrutiny of the RR tapes? Please don't tell me it is because Peter is handsome....a great investigative reporter....or Peter is?? I applaud his efforts and am grateful for the piece of mind (some closure) the RR tapes gave Beth and Dave....
Peter may have had the right intentions....maybe not....BUT it is not about defending Peter....we go where the trail takes us....I'm sure Peter won't be offended...neither should we.....MHOO