Natalee Case Discussion #825 10/12/09 - 11/07/09

[Tamikosmom]

Janet - it's OK.  Thank you for caring.  I just don't want to make a big deal about it in the forum.   

Thank you Klaas.

In the future I will not share "any" information from emails unless specific permission is given.

Again Klaas ... my thoughts and prayers are with you.

 

Janet

[billb's daughter]

I don't know exactly what this was all about but it must have been pretty bad for this to have been posted on the TES website.

http://texasequusearch.org/2009/10/message-from-tim-miller/#comments

Message from Tim Miller

Posted on 15. Oct, 2009 by smckinney in Featured Articles

I would like to address some of the comments made by “so-called” experts about Texas EquuSearch in recent weeks. First of all, we have the most valuable members/volunteers of any organization in existence. Occasionally, we have had to do things which are not the “normal” for a search organization. Case in point, Misty Cummings – I made the decision to help Misty get away from a very volatile situation. She was in danger for her life, and I felt that if something happened to Misty, we would lose any chance of finding Haleigh. That is ALL this was about. So, I enlisted the help of one of our volunteers who had befriended Misty during our time in Satsuma, Donna Brock. Donna did a wonderful job in keeping Misty safe and, until the “road rage” incident, was doing so under the radar. This was not about media attention. Again, as I have said many times, I will use whatever resources that are at my disposal to find Haleigh.

At the time of this posting, I am on my way to another search. Before I go, I am on my way to deposit a small check I received from a construction job I did, into the Texas EquuSearch account so that we can help another family. (See copy below.)

We were able to help bring closure to another family yesterday with the help of some hard working Texas EquuSearch members, along with the help of the local community who so willingly helped us because of the work we have done and continue to do.

I would invite any person who sits, wearing a suit on television, to come and put your jeans and boots on and join us on a real search. I wonder who our “so-called experts” are.

I would like to quote Abraham Lincoln:

If I tried to read, much less answer all the criticisms made of me, and all the attacks leveled against me, this office would have to be closed for all other business. I do the very best I know how, the very best I know how, the very best I can, I mean to keep on doing this down to the very end.

A. Lincoln

In my opinion Tim Miller IS an American Hero! Pure and simple. Sometimes outsiders can try to blur the effort by questioning the means...But we all know Tim Miller's heart is always on the line for the victim first....
I still believe that IF Tim was somehow compromised during the efforts surrounding the persistence search for Natalee.....It wasn't his choice.....But we all have to play the cards that are dealt and live to play another day....(don't know if this makes sense) But Tim Miller IS an American HERO!

[MuffyBee]

I don't know exactly what this was all about but it must have been pretty bad for this to have been posted on the TES website.

http://texasequusearch.org/2009/10/message-from-tim-miller/#comments

Message from Tim Miller

Posted on 15. Oct, 2009 by smckinney in Featured Articles

I would like to address some of the comments made by “so-called” experts about Texas EquuSearch in recent weeks. First of all, we have the most valuable members/volunteers of any organization in existence. Occasionally, we have had to do things which are not the “normal” for a search organization. Case in point, Misty Cummings – I made the decision to help Misty get away from a very volatile situation. She was in danger for her life, and I felt that if something happened to Misty, we would lose any chance of finding Haleigh. That is ALL this was about. So, I enlisted the help of one of our volunteers who had befriended Misty during our time in Satsuma, Donna Brock. Donna did a wonderful job in keeping Misty safe and, until the “road rage” incident, was doing so under the radar. This was not about media attention. Again, as I have said many times, I will use whatever resources that are at my disposal to find Haleigh.

At the time of this posting, I am on my way to another search. Before I go, I am on my way to deposit a small check I received from a construction job I did, into the Texas EquuSearch account so that we can help another family. (See copy below.)

We were able to help bring closure to another family yesterday with the help of some hard working Texas EquuSearch members, along with the help of the local community who so willingly helped us because of the work we have done and continue to do.

I would invite any person who sits, wearing a suit on television, to come and put your jeans and boots on and join us on a real search. I wonder who our “so-called experts” are.

I would like to quote Abraham Lincoln:

If I tried to read, much less answer all the criticisms made of me, and all the attacks leveled against me, this office would have to be closed for all other business. I do the very best I know how, the very best I know how, the very best I can, I mean to keep on doing this down to the very end.

A. Lincoln

In my opinion Tim Miller IS an American Hero! Pure and simple. Sometimes outsiders can try to blur the effort by questioning the means...But we all know Tim Miller's heart is always on the line for the victim first....
I still believe that IF Tim was somehow compromised during the efforts surrounding the persistence search for Natalee.....It wasn't his choice.....But we all have to play the cards that are dealt and live to play another day....(don't know if this makes sense) But Tim Miller IS an American HERO!

 

[billb's daughter]

Good Night Good Monkeys..
Have a Great weekend!
Justice for Natalee is just around the corner...

[Tamikosmom]

Good Night Good Monkeys..
Have a Great weekend!
Justice for Natalee is just around the corner...

Good Night billb

I hope you have a good weekend.

God Bless

 

Janet

[texasmom]

I don't know exactly what this was all about but it must have been pretty bad for this to have been posted on the TES website.

http://texasequusearch.org/2009/10/message-from-tim-miller/#comments

Message from Tim Miller

Posted on 15. Oct, 2009 by smckinney in Featured Articles

I would like to address some of the comments made by “so-called” experts about Texas EquuSearch in recent weeks. First of all, we have the most valuable members/volunteers of any organization in existence. Occasionally, we have had to do things which are not the “normal” for a search organization. Case in point, Misty Cummings – I made the decision to help Misty get away from a very volatile situation. She was in danger for her life, and I felt that if something happened to Misty, we would lose any chance of finding Haleigh. That is ALL this was about. So, I enlisted the help of one of our volunteers who had befriended Misty during our time in Satsuma, Donna Brock. Donna did a wonderful job in keeping Misty safe and, until the “road rage” incident, was doing so under the radar. This was not about media attention. Again, as I have said many times, I will use whatever resources that are at my disposal to find Haleigh.

At the time of this posting, I am on my way to another search. Before I go, I am on my way to deposit a small check I received from a construction job I did, into the Texas EquuSearch account so that we can help another family. (See copy below.)

We were able to help bring closure to another family yesterday with the help of some hard working Texas EquuSearch members, along with the help of the local community who so willingly helped us because of the work we have done and continue to do.

I would invite any person who sits, wearing a suit on television, to come and put your jeans and boots on and join us on a real search. I wonder who our “so-called experts” are.

I would like to quote Abraham Lincoln:

If I tried to read, much less answer all the criticisms made of me, and all the attacks leveled against me, this office would have to be closed for all other business. I do the very best I know how, the very best I know how, the very best I can, I mean to keep on doing this down to the very end.

A. Lincoln

In my opinion Tim Miller IS an American Hero! Pure and simple. Sometimes outsiders can try to blur the effort by questioning the means...But we all know Tim Miller's heart is always on the line for the victim first....
I still believe that IF Tim was somehow compromised during the efforts surrounding the persistence search for Natalee.....It wasn't his choice.....But we all have to play the cards that are dealt and live to play another day....(don't know if this makes sense) But Tim Miller IS an American HERO!

 

I agree!  Very well stated billb!   

[texasmom]

Good Night Good Monkeys..
Have a Great weekend!
Justice for Natalee is just around the corner...

Good night billb, I hope you have a great weekend too!   

[texasmom]

http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1396&Itemid=1



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[Tamikosmom]

In my opinion Tim Miller IS an American Hero! Pure and simple. Sometimes outsiders can try to blur the effort by questioning the means...But we all know Tim Miller's heart is always on the line for the victim first....

I still believe that IF Tim was somehow compromised during the efforts surrounding the persistence search for Natalee.....It wasn't his choice.....But we all have to play the cards that are dealt and live to play another day....(don't know if this makes sense) But Tim Miller IS an American HERO!

billb

I realize you have left the forum but ... I have been thinking about your words and ... prior to packing it in for the night ... I felt compelled to share with you what is on my heart.

My sincere desire is to be in the same place as you in regards to Tim Miller.  However ... I know beyond a doubt ... if Natalee Holloway were my daughter ... I would consider Tim Miller's ongoing relationship with John Silvetti a betrayal to both my daughter and me.

This is why I find it so difficult to move on and ... appreciate all the good Tim Miller may be accomplishing for other missing children ... all the good he is accomplishing with the assistance of John Silvetti ... John Silvetti who afforded the Aruban enemy unchallenged possession of what may have been Natalee Holloway's remains.  If I embraced Tim Miller ... I feel I am betraying Natalee and her mother.

billb ... thank you for hearing me out.

Janet 

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Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman: I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive. John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again. Of course this didn't set well with me

Kyle Kingman:   On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it.

Kyle Kingman:  After the diver visual inspection of the trap he (Tim Miller) was obligated to report what the Aruban divers reported because although limited, it's the only information he had and the family rightfully wanted answers. It was a royal mess.

Kyle Kingman:  This occurred on Dec 30th when the Arubans told us there wasn't anything of interest in the trap based on the visual-only inspection (Dateline and Tim Miller present). After the Dec 30th dive John didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability.  I don't know what that exactly means, but Tim wasn't hurting anything except releasing the statements to the press and Holloways that we found Natalee. Although likely true ...

Kyle Kingman:  I hadn't slept in 48 hours. I crashed for a few hours rest and by the time I got up Dateline and Tim Miller had left the boat. That is when John [Silvetti] assumed full control over the remainder of the project and had us searching in the deepest portions of our search area which coincided with Richardson's remarks. Richardson told us after the Jan-7th dive to keep searching in deep water.

Kyle Kingman:   Tim Miller was never on the Persistence while I was not on board.  He stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica IIRC.

Kyle Kingman: We're being fed misinformation to keep us searching and out of their way while they cover their asses, destroy evidence, cover their tracks, and keep us out at sea and away from the trap.

Kermit - scaredmonkeys.net

[texasmom]

Truth & Justice for Natalee!

[2NJSons_Mom]

 

Natalee's Candles:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0

[Keepthefaith]

Janet - it's OK.  Thank you for caring.  I just don't want to make a big deal about it in the forum.   

PRAYERS FOR YOU & FAMILY KLAAS  

[Magnolia]

I don't know exactly what this was all about but it must have been pretty bad for this to have been posted on the TES website.

http://texasequusearch.org/2009/10/message-from-tim-miller/#comments

Message from Tim Miller

Posted on 15. Oct, 2009 by smckinney in Featured Articles

I would like to address some of the comments made by “so-called” experts about Texas EquuSearch in recent weeks. First of all, we have the most valuable members/volunteers of any organization in existence. Occasionally, we have had to do things which are not the “normal” for a search organization. Case in point, Misty Cummings – I made the decision to help Misty get away from a very volatile situation. She was in danger for her life, and I felt that if something happened to Misty, we would lose any chance of finding Haleigh. That is ALL this was about. So, I enlisted the help of one of our volunteers who had befriended Misty during our time in Satsuma, Donna Brock. Donna did a wonderful job in keeping Misty safe and, until the “road rage” incident, was doing so under the radar. This was not about media attention. Again, as I have said many times, I will use whatever resources that are at my disposal to find Haleigh.

At the time of this posting, I am on my way to another search. Before I go, I am on my way to deposit a small check I received from a construction job I did, into the Texas EquuSearch account so that we can help another family. (See copy below.)

We were able to help bring closure to another family yesterday with the help of some hard working Texas EquuSearch members, along with the help of the local community who so willingly helped us because of the work we have done and continue to do.

I would invite any person who sits, wearing a suit on television, to come and put your jeans and boots on and join us on a real search. I wonder who our “so-called experts” are.

I would like to quote Abraham Lincoln:

If I tried to read, much less answer all the criticisms made of me, and all the attacks leveled against me, this office would have to be closed for all other business. I do the very best I know how, the very best I know how, the very best I can, I mean to keep on doing this down to the very end.

A. Lincoln

In my opinion Tim Miller IS an American Hero! Pure and simple. Sometimes outsiders can try to blur the effort by questioning the means...But we all know Tim Miller's heart is always on the line for the victim first....
I still believe that IF Tim was somehow compromised during the efforts surrounding the persistence search for Natalee.....It wasn't his choice.....But we all have to play the cards that are dealt and live to play another day....(don't know if this makes sense) But Tim Miller IS an American HERO!

I agree with all you said, billb.   Tim is a good man whose only goal is to help find the missing and bring them home.
He has helped with searches for many missing children and adults.....not just Natalee.
I think he realizes that John Silvetti has equipment and expertise to assist in that goal.  Tim is not going to refuse any
help that he can get to acheive his goal.  If Silvetti is willing to help, Tim should take that help and not feel that he is
betraying anyone he has searched for in the past.  How can he justify one missing person being more inportant than
the next one?

[wreck]

I don't know exactly what this was all about but it must have been pretty bad for this to have been posted on the TES website.

http://texasequusearch.org/2009/10/message-from-tim-miller/#comments

Message from Tim Miller

Posted on 15. Oct, 2009 by smckinney in Featured Articles

I would like to address some of the comments made by “so-called” experts about Texas EquuSearch in recent weeks. First of all, we have the most valuable members/volunteers of any organization in existence. Occasionally, we have had to do things which are not the “normal” for a search organization. Case in point, Misty Cummings – I made the decision to help Misty get away from a very volatile situation. She was in danger for her life, and I felt that if something happened to Misty, we would lose any chance of finding Haleigh. That is ALL this was about. So, I enlisted the help of one of our volunteers who had befriended Misty during our time in Satsuma, Donna Brock. Donna did a wonderful job in keeping Misty safe and, until the “road rage” incident, was doing so under the radar. This was not about media attention. Again, as I have said many times, I will use whatever resources that are at my disposal to find Haleigh.

At the time of this posting, I am on my way to another search. Before I go, I am on my way to deposit a small check I received from a construction job I did, into the Texas EquuSearch account so that we can help another family. (See copy below.)

We were able to help bring closure to another family yesterday with the help of some hard working Texas EquuSearch members, along with the help of the local community who so willingly helped us because of the work we have done and continue to do.

I would invite any person who sits, wearing a suit on television, to come and put your jeans and boots on and join us on a real search. I wonder who our “so-called experts” are.

I would like to quote Abraham Lincoln:

If I tried to read, much less answer all the criticisms made of me, and all the attacks leveled against me, this office would have to be closed for all other business. I do the very best I know how, the very best I know how, the very best I can, I mean to keep on doing this down to the very end.

A. Lincoln

In my opinion Tim Miller IS an American Hero! Pure and simple. Sometimes outsiders can try to blur the effort by questioning the means...But we all know Tim Miller's heart is always on the line for the victim first....
I still believe that IF Tim was somehow compromised during the efforts surrounding the persistence search for Natalee.....It wasn't his choice.....But we all have to play the cards that are dealt and live to play another day....(don't know if this makes sense) But Tim Miller IS an American HERO!

I agree with all you said, billb.   Tim is a good man whose only goal is to help find the missing and bring them home.
He has helped with searches for many missing children and adults.....not just Natalee.
I think he realizes that John Silvetti has equipment and expertise to assist in that goal.  Tim is not going to refuse any
help that he can get to acheive his goal.  If Silvetti is willing to help, Tim should take that help and not feel that he is
betraying anyone he has searched for in the past.  How can he justify one missing person being more inportant than
the next one?

I agree. I think Silvetti donates to "cover his tracks" and perhaps maybe even out of a little "guilt".

[Tamikosmom]

It is the expectation of Monkeys that Kyle Kingman does right and ... breaks his silence and ... reveals all that he observed and heard while on board the Persistence ... all that he observed and heard that appeared to further the Aruban cover up that has prevented justice from since May 30, 2005 and ... denied closure to the family of Natalaee Holloway.

Monkeys have questioned Kyle Kingman's ongoing beneficial relationship with John Silvetti following the trap/cage recovery?

Monkeys have questioned Kyle Kingman's outreach for funds to underwrite the investigation of identified targets in Aruban water? 

Why is Tim Miller exempt from that same expectation and the same hard questions?

I am sincerely attempting to comprehend the difference.

Janet

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Debbie (BFN)
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
« Reply #598 on: June 18, 2009, 11:29:24 PM »»

Okay... there was/is no conspiracy with the Persistence.  Louis, John, Tim and Dave are trying to get the funds to complete the search on the targets.... they are working together.. 
 
Slam me, bash me, I don't care, but it is the truth.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5127.msg845027;topicseen#msg845027

[Keepthefaith]

I have a problem with Tim Miller associating with John Silvetti.If i believe John Silvetti allowed the Aruban's to take the cage/trap contents uncontested,and that was Natalee Holloway....

I believe Tim Miller could get the assistance,sonar equipment,and help he needs to search for missing people from someone other then John Silvetti,Louis Schaefer,and anyone else involved in the Persistence search!JMOO 

[texasmom]

I don't know exactly what this was all about but it must have been pretty bad for this to have been posted on the TES website.

http://texasequusearch.org/2009/10/message-from-tim-miller/#comments

Message from Tim Miller

Posted on 15. Oct, 2009 by smckinney in Featured Articles

I would like to address some of the comments made by “so-called” experts about Texas EquuSearch in recent weeks. First of all, we have the most valuable members/volunteers of any organization in existence. Occasionally, we have had to do things which are not the “normal” for a search organization. Case in point, Misty Cummings – I made the decision to help Misty get away from a very volatile situation. She was in danger for her life, and I felt that if something happened to Misty, we would lose any chance of finding Haleigh. That is ALL this was about. So, I enlisted the help of one of our volunteers who had befriended Misty during our time in Satsuma, Donna Brock. Donna did a wonderful job in keeping Misty safe and, until the “road rage” incident, was doing so under the radar. This was not about media attention. Again, as I have said many times, I will use whatever resources that are at my disposal to find Haleigh.

At the time of this posting, I am on my way to another search. Before I go, I am on my way to deposit a small check I received from a construction job I did, into the Texas EquuSearch account so that we can help another family. (See copy below.)

We were able to help bring closure to another family yesterday with the help of some hard working Texas EquuSearch members, along with the help of the local community who so willingly helped us because of the work we have done and continue to do.

I would invite any person who sits, wearing a suit on television, to come and put your jeans and boots on and join us on a real search. I wonder who our “so-called experts” are.

I would like to quote Abraham Lincoln:

If I tried to read, much less answer all the criticisms made of me, and all the attacks leveled against me, this office would have to be closed for all other business. I do the very best I know how, the very best I know how, the very best I can, I mean to keep on doing this down to the very end.

A. Lincoln

In my opinion Tim Miller IS an American Hero! Pure and simple. Sometimes outsiders can try to blur the effort by questioning the means...But we all know Tim Miller's heart is always on the line for the victim first....
I still believe that IF Tim was somehow compromised during the efforts surrounding the persistence search for Natalee.....It wasn't his choice.....But we all have to play the cards that are dealt and live to play another day....(don't know if this makes sense) But Tim Miller IS an American HERO!

I agree with all you said, billb.   Tim is a good man whose only goal is to help find the missing and bring them home.
He has helped with searches for many missing children and adults.....not just Natalee.
I think he realizes that John Silvetti has equipment and expertise to assist in that goal.  Tim is not going to refuse any
help that he can get to acheive his goal.  If Silvetti is willing to help, Tim should take that help and not feel that he is
betraying anyone he has searched for in the past.  How can he justify one missing person being more inportant than
the next one?

I agree. I think Silvetti donates to "cover his tracks" and perhaps maybe even out of a little "guilt".

 

[Tamikosmom]

I have a problem with Tim Miller associating with John Silvetti.If i believe John Silvetti allowed the Aruban's to take the cage/trap contents uncontested,and that was Natalee Holloway....

I believe Tim Miller could get the assistance,sonar equipment,and help he needs to search for missing people from someone other then John Silvetti,Louis Schaefer,and anyone else involved in the Persistence search!JMOO 

Thank you Keepthefaith.  I feel like I am in the twilight zone.

 

Janet

[Keepthefaith]

I have a problem with Tim Miller associating with John Silvetti.If i believe John Silvetti allowed the Aruban's to take the cage/trap contents uncontested,and that was Natalee Holloway....

I believe Tim Miller could get the assistance,sonar equipment,and help he needs to search for missing people from someone other then John Silvetti,Louis Schaefer,and anyone else involved in the Persistence search!JMOO 

Thank you Keepthefaith.  I feel like I am in the twilight zone.

 

Janet

I understand Tim Miller has done more in his lifetime to help the missing and their families then most anybody will do in a thousand lifetimes.That's not my issue.My issue is in the relationship he has with those i believe took part in the cover-up/search!My question is.Do i believe Tim Miller could get the needed equipment and help that he recieves from Silvetti & Schaeffer,from someone else??Absolutely!I know many don't agree with me but,that's OK!

[wreck]

I have a problem with Tim Miller associating with John Silvetti.If i believe John Silvetti allowed the Aruban's to take the cage/trap contents uncontested,and that was Natalee Holloway....

I believe Tim Miller could get the assistance,sonar equipment,and help he needs to search for missing people from someone other then John Silvetti,Louis Schaefer,and anyone else involved in the Persistence search!JMOO 

Thank you Keepthefaith.  I feel like I am in the twilight zone.

 

Janet

I understand Tim Miller has done more in his lifetime to help the missing and their families then most anybody will do in a thousand lifetimes.That's not my issue.My issue is in the relationship he has with those i believe took part in the cover-up/search!My question is.Do i believe Tim Miller could get the needed equipment and help that he recieves from Silvetti & Schaeffer,from someone else??Absolutely!I know many don't agree with me but,that's OK!

I think TES gets help from whomever they can..................................I don't see ANYONE OTHER than Silvetti/Schafer donating ships at all. If Tim Miller refused to take donations from them -- he would have no assistance at all. He can't dedicate to Natalee and foresake the hundreds of other equally deserving missing victims. Tim Miller is beholden to many more people than just Beth.