Natalee Case Discussion #825 10/12/09 - 11/07/09

[Magnolia]

Peter DeVries did not "claim" that the Kalpoes are innocent.

Without the transcript in front of me, iirc Peter was relaying the story that Joran told.  I don't recall any "claims" that Peter made. 

Peter to my knowledge has never indicated that he believed every word Joran stated was true.

Be prepared.               Next will come the "full confession" one.   

[Tamikosmom]

Thankfully ... I am not the only Monkey on the forum who questions the dynamics behind the Range Rover confession tapes.  However ... even if I were ... so be it.

My position from the getgo was that the Range Rover recording was staged and ... that position has not wavered.  It appears that San and I were on the same page as of August of this year.

Janet

++++++++
 

FEBRUARY, 2008

Quote from: Tamikosmom on August 09, 2009, 09:10:01 PM

I knew it!!  Hans Mos was aware of the Peter Devries video recording ... the last segment!

I am skeptical that Joran van der Sloot was forewarned by Hans Mos that Patrick van der Eem would betray him and ... an Aruban plan emerges ... an Aruban plan which implicates Joran as being the ONLY person who was with Natalee when she appeared to die from an overdose but ... distances Joran from the crime of murder.  An Aruban plan that disrgards the gardener's observation.  An Aruban plan which will provide Natalee's family with a measure of closure and ... will be instrumental in making them back off which will have the ability to make the Natalee Holloway case become a faded memory.

Think about it.  Joran distances his father.  The Kalpoes are distanced ... they have the ability to implicate Paulus.  Those who assisted Paulus in moving Natalee from the beach are distanced ... they have the ability to distance Paulus.

At this point it is all about protecting Paulus ... he has the most to lose.  Joran was a minor when Natalee Holloway went missing ... he would would receive a slap on the wrist from the Aruban Justice Systen or ... the video recording will be dismissed as evidence.  Nevertheless ... Joran will be the sacrifice.

Maybe ... just maybe ... the Aruban plan was for Joran to name his assistance in the last taping ... the prior taping he had refused to devulge this name.  Maybe ... just maybe ... the Aruban plan was for Joran to claim that he made a call from the public phone ... the international phone.  These were lies that could be easily verified.

However ... I believe that Joran messed up when he concedes that he does not know whether Natalee was deceased when he arranged to have her dumped at sea.  I also believe that Joran messed up when he revealed that his father provided him with a cell phone when he was in prision.  I do not think that these are lies.

Maybe ... just maybe ... the November, 2007 detentions were a ruse ... an opportunity for getting stories straight in regards to the impending video recording.  The last segment of that video was recorded following Joran release from prison.

Maybe ... just maybe ... Tamikosmom has an overactive imagination.
________

San
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #735 2/24 -
« Reply #318 on: February 26, 2008, 08:23:57 AM »

I AGREE WITH YOUR ENTIRE POST.

You don't have an overactive imagination because this is exactly what I thought happened.  I have said that Joran knew he was being taped.  Tamikosmom I think you hit the nail right on the head.  I said this before this was a setup for them to try one last time to say Natalee died of a drug OD without getting anyone in trouble.

As soon as I heard that the Kalpoes were happy with Joran's confession I knew this was a setup.  The Kalpoes and Paulus are the main suspects along with Joran.  They cannot get away from that premeditated charge against Paulus know matter how hard Joran tries.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355674;topicseen#msg355674

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AUGUST, 2009

Quote from: Tamikosmom on August 09, 2009, 09:10:01 PM

I believe that the secret vehicle tapes were all a hoax collaborated with the "powers that be" in Aruba to distance the Kalpoes and Paulus from implication in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 and ... focus attention on "only" Joran and an "unknown" accomplist.  Keep it simple!

Think about it. Joran was a minor at the time Natalee Holloway went missing and ... the legal consequences for disposal of a body would be a slap on the wrist.
________

San
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #822 7/28/09 -
« Reply #1753 on: August 09, 2009, 10:13:58 PM »

I have said this from the beginning.

It was keep it simple but there were many involved in this hoax.  Just like the wine throwing incident.  That was all intertwined.  JMO.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5676.msg905691;topicseen#msg905691

[San]

Thankfully ... I am not the only Monkey on the forum who questions the dynamics behind the Range Rover confession tapes.  However ... even if I were ... so be it.

My position from the getgo was that the Range Rover recording was staged and ... that position has not wavered.  It appears that San and I were on the same page as of August of this year.

Janet

++++++++
 

FEBRUARY, 2008

Quote from: Tamikosmom on August 09, 2009, 09:10:01 PM

I knew it!!  Hans Mos was aware of the Peter Devries video recording ... the last segment!

I am skeptical that Joran van der Sloot was forewarned by Hans Mos that Patrick van der Eem would betray him and ... an Aruban plan emerges ... an Aruban plan which implicates Joran as being the ONLY person who was with Natalee when she appeared to die from an overdose but ... distances Joran from the crime of murder.  An Aruban plan that disrgards the gardener's observation.  An Aruban plan which will provide Natalee's family with a measure of closure and ... will be instrumental in making them back off which will have the ability to make the Natalee Holloway case become a faded memory.

Think about it.  Joran distances his father.  The Kalpoes are distanced ... they have the ability to implicate Paulus.  Those who assisted Paulus in moving Natalee from the beach are distanced ... they have the ability to distance Paulus.

At this point it is all about protecting Paulus ... he has the most to lose.  Joran was a minor when Natalee Holloway went missing ... he would would receive a slap on the wrist from the Aruban Justice Systen or ... the video recording will be dismissed as evidence.  Nevertheless ... Joran will be the sacrifice.

Maybe ... just maybe ... the Aruban plan was for Joran to name his assistance in the last taping ... the prior taping he had refused to devulge this name.  Maybe ... just maybe ... the Aruban plan was for Joran to claim that he made a call from the public phone ... the international phone.  These were lies that could be easily verified.

However ... I believe that Joran messed up when he concedes that he does not know whether Natalee was deceased when he arranged to have her dumped at sea.  I also believe that Joran messed up when he revealed that his father provided him with a cell phone when he was in prision.  I do not think that these are lies.

Maybe ... just maybe ... the November, 2007 detentions were a ruse ... an opportunity for getting stories straight in regards to the impending video recording.  The last segment of that video was recorded following Joran release from prison.

Maybe ... just maybe ... Tamikosmom has an overactive imagination.
________

San
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #735 2/24 -
« Reply #318 on: February 26, 2008, 08:23:57 AM »

I AGREE WITH YOUR ENTIRE POST.

You don't have an overactive imagination because this is exactly what I thought happened.  I have said that Joran knew he was being taped.  Tamikosmom I think you hit the nail right on the head.  I said this before this was a setup for them to try one last time to say Natalee died of a drug OD without getting anyone in trouble.

As soon as I heard that the Kalpoes were happy with Joran's confession I knew this was a setup.  The Kalpoes and Paulus are the main suspects along with Joran.  They cannot get away from that premeditated charge against Paulus know matter how hard Joran tries.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355674;topicseen#msg355674

+++++++++

AUGUST, 2009

Quote from: Tamikosmom on August 09, 2009, 09:10:01 PM

I believe that the secret vehicle tapes were all a hoax collaborated with the "powers that be" in Aruba to distance the Kalpoes and Paulus from implication in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 and ... focus attention on "only" Joran and an "unknown" accomplist.  Keep it simple!

Think about it. Joran was a minor at the time Natalee Holloway went missing and ... the legal consequences for disposal of a body would be a slap on the wrist.
________

San
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #822 7/28/09 -
« Reply #1753 on: August 09, 2009, 10:13:58 PM »

I have said this from the beginning.

It was keep it simple but there were many involved in this hoax.  Just like the wine throwing incident.  That was all intertwined.  JMO.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5676.msg905691;topicseen#msg905691

Yes, I still believe it was staged.

[Tamikosmom]

My heart breaks for Beth Holloway.  As Natalee's mother cries out in her book LOVING NATALEE ... "Who can we trust?"

Janet

++++++++
 
KYLE KINGMAN

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line.

Kyle Kingman:  Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items.  The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle Kingman:  John is not a believer in the trap.  He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further.  He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship ...

Kyle Kingman: The logs are in a safe somewhere. John and Ryan Poff (one of John's project managers) knows where it is. I can't get copies of the logs at this time. Perhaps in a few months. The target locations are in the safe, although I also have them in a safe spot.  I don't care about the other targets though. I don't think any of it is of any potential interest. Mainly junk, coral, and debris.

Kermit - scaredmonkeys.net


TIM TRAHAN

Holloway searchers need help
Thursday, February 28, 2008 | 8:21 PM

A relentless search Schafer and his team say will stop, if they don't get more funding.

"And we all feel, I'm speaking from everybody on the team, that she's in one of the targets we have not looked at yet," Tim Trahan of Underwater Expeditions said. "We can't stop. I go to sleep at night thinking we've located it, we just need to get to it."

The search of the rest of those targets will stop this week. For more information on how you can help,

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=5988951


BETH HOLLOWAY

Dr. Phil - January 29, 2006

... If somebody presents you with false hope and false information, it's devastating.

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3041/?id=?id=&slide=3&null=null

[Tamikosmom]

Thankfully ... I am not the only Monkey on the forum who questions the dynamics behind the Range Rover confession tapes.  However ... even if I were ... so be it.

My position from the getgo was that the Range Rover recording was staged and ... that position has not wavered.  It appears that San and I were on the same page as of August of this year.

Janet

++++++++
 

FEBRUARY, 2008

Quote from: Tamikosmom on August 09, 2009, 09:10:01 PM

I knew it!!  Hans Mos was aware of the Peter Devries video recording ... the last segment!

I am skeptical that Joran van der Sloot was forewarned by Hans Mos that Patrick van der Eem would betray him and ... an Aruban plan emerges ... an Aruban plan which implicates Joran as being the ONLY person who was with Natalee when she appeared to die from an overdose but ... distances Joran from the crime of murder.  An Aruban plan that disrgards the gardener's observation.  An Aruban plan which will provide Natalee's family with a measure of closure and ... will be instrumental in making them back off which will have the ability to make the Natalee Holloway case become a faded memory.

Think about it.  Joran distances his father.  The Kalpoes are distanced ... they have the ability to implicate Paulus.  Those who assisted Paulus in moving Natalee from the beach are distanced ... they have the ability to distance Paulus.

At this point it is all about protecting Paulus ... he has the most to lose.  Joran was a minor when Natalee Holloway went missing ... he would would receive a slap on the wrist from the Aruban Justice Systen or ... the video recording will be dismissed as evidence.  Nevertheless ... Joran will be the sacrifice.

Maybe ... just maybe ... the Aruban plan was for Joran to name his assistance in the last taping ... the prior taping he had refused to devulge this name.  Maybe ... just maybe ... the Aruban plan was for Joran to claim that he made a call from the public phone ... the international phone.  These were lies that could be easily verified.

However ... I believe that Joran messed up when he concedes that he does not know whether Natalee was deceased when he arranged to have her dumped at sea.  I also believe that Joran messed up when he revealed that his father provided him with a cell phone when he was in prision.  I do not think that these are lies.

Maybe ... just maybe ... the November, 2007 detentions were a ruse ... an opportunity for getting stories straight in regards to the impending video recording.  The last segment of that video was recorded following Joran release from prison.

Maybe ... just maybe ... Tamikosmom has an overactive imagination.
________

San
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #735 2/24 -
« Reply #318 on: February 26, 2008, 08:23:57 AM »

I AGREE WITH YOUR ENTIRE POST.

You don't have an overactive imagination because this is exactly what I thought happened.  I have said that Joran knew he was being taped.  Tamikosmom I think you hit the nail right on the head.  I said this before this was a setup for them to try one last time to say Natalee died of a drug OD without getting anyone in trouble.

As soon as I heard that the Kalpoes were happy with Joran's confession I knew this was a setup.  The Kalpoes and Paulus are the main suspects along with Joran.  They cannot get away from that premeditated charge against Paulus know matter how hard Joran tries.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355674;topicseen#msg355674

+++++++++

AUGUST, 2009

Quote from: Tamikosmom on August 09, 2009, 09:10:01 PM

I believe that the secret vehicle tapes were all a hoax collaborated with the "powers that be" in Aruba to distance the Kalpoes and Paulus from implication in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 and ... focus attention on "only" Joran and an "unknown" accomplist.  Keep it simple!

Think about it. Joran was a minor at the time Natalee Holloway went missing and ... the legal consequences for disposal of a body would be a slap on the wrist.
________

San
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #822 7/28/09 -
« Reply #1753 on: August 09, 2009, 10:13:58 PM »

I have said this from the beginning.

It was keep it simple but there were many involved in this hoax.  Just like the wine throwing incident.  That was all intertwined.  JMO.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5676.msg905691;topicseen#msg905691

Yes, I still believe it was staged.

San ... thank you.

Your recent silence regarding this issue caused me to think that maybe you had changed position and ... San that would have been OK.  Considering the truth is not known ... speculation regarding what is out there is where it is at.

Janet


 

[Tamikosmom]

There was a time that Beth Holloway believed that Jean Akers was supportive of the family in regards to the involvement of Joran van der Sloot in the happenings encompassing the disappearance of her daughter.

Janet

+++++++++

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 185:  The island authorities originally planned to release the three suspects at two o-clock in the morning on Saturday, September 3.  The Strategic Communications Task Force undoubtedly helped them make a less conspicuous move and release them in the afternoon instead.  Curious to see the setup at the van der Sloot house for Joran's parade of victory, I drive by there, never in a million years expecting to see who is there.  It's the U.S. vice-consul.  At the van der Sloots' house.  Why is she here?   She spots me.  Jumps in her car and follows me to a resturant parking lot, waving, honking, calling on the cell phone.  I don't want to talk to her.  Who can we trust?

[Magnolia]

Thankfully ... I am not the only Monkey on the forum who questions the dynamics behind the Range Rover confession tapes.  However ... even if I were ... so be it.

My position from the getgo was that the Range Rover recording was staged and ... that position has not wavered.  It appears that San and I were on the same page as of August of this year.

Janet

++++++++
 

[color=

blue]FEBRUARY, 2008[/color]

Quote from: Tamikosmom on August 09, 2009, 09:10:01 PM

I knew it!!  Hans Mos was aware of the Peter Devries video recording ... the last segment!

I am skeptical that Joran van der Sloot was forewarned by Hans Mos that Patrick van der Eem would betray him and ... an Aruban plan emerges ... an Aruban plan which implicates Joran as being the ONLY person who was with Natalee when she appeared to die from an overdose but ... distances Joran from the crime of murder.  An Aruban plan that disrgards the gardener's observation.  An Aruban plan which will provide Natalee's family with a measure of closure and ... will be instrumental in making them back off which will have the ability to make the Natalee Holloway case become a faded memory.

Think about it.  Joran distances his father.  The Kalpoes are distanced ... they have the ability to implicate Paulus.  Those who assisted Paulus in moving Natalee from the beach are distanced ... they have the ability to distance Paulus.

At this point it is all about protecting Paulus ... he has the most to lose.  Joran was a minor when Natalee Holloway went missing ... he would would receive a slap on the wrist from the Aruban Justice Systen or ... the video recording will be dismissed as evidence.  Nevertheless ... Joran will be the sacrifice.

Maybe ... just maybe ... the Aruban plan was for Joran to name his assistance in the last taping ... the prior taping he had refused to devulge this name.  Maybe ... just maybe ... the Aruban plan was for Joran to claim that he made a call from the public phone ... the international phone.  These were lies that could be easily verified.

However ... I believe that Joran messed up when he concedes that he does not know whether Natalee was deceased when he arranged to have her dumped at sea.  I also believe that Joran messed up when he revealed that his father provided him with a cell phone when he was in prision.  I do not think that these are lies.

Maybe ... just maybe ... the November, 2007 detentions were a ruse ... an opportunity for getting stories straight in regards to the impending video recording.  The last segment of that video was recorded following Joran release from prison.

Maybe ... just maybe ... Tamikosmom has an overactive imagination.
________

San
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #735 2/24 -
« Reply #318 on: February 26, 2008, 08:23:57 AM »

I AGREE WITH YOUR ENTIRE POST.

You don't have an overactive imagination because this is exactly what I thought happened.  I have said that Joran knew he was being taped.  Tamikosmom I think you hit the nail right on the head.  I said this before this was a setup for them to try one last time to say Natalee died of a drug OD without getting anyone in trouble.

As soon as I heard that the Kalpoes were happy with Joran's confession I knew this was a setup.  The Kalpoes and Paulus are the main suspects along with Joran.  They cannot get away from that premeditated charge against Paulus know matter how hard Joran tries.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355674;topicseen#msg355674

+++++++++

AUGUST, 2009

Quote from: Tamikosmom on August 09, 2009, 09:10:01 PM

I believe that the secret vehicle tapes were all a hoax collaborated with the "powers that be" in Aruba to distance the Kalpoes and Paulus from implication in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 and ... focus attention on "only" Joran and an "unknown" accomplist.  Keep it simple!

Think about it. Joran was a minor at the time Natalee Holloway went missing and ... the legal consequences for disposal of a body would be a slap on the wrist.
________

San
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #822 7/28/09 -
« Reply #1753 on: August 09, 2009, 10:13:58 PM »

I have said this from the beginning.

It was keep it simple but there were many involved in this hoax.  Just like the wine throwing incident.  That was all intertwined.  JMO.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5676.msg905691;topicseen#msg905691

Yes, I still believe it was staged.

San, I respect your opinion and I know that you have been right about many things that others have missed.
You have taught me a lot.

But you have never tried to compulsively pound your opinions into anyone's head and you have never
twisted words in order to get your point across.

I miss your input and wish you were here more often.  Maybe you could convince me of things that I do
not believe now.

[Keepthefaith]

I continue to ask myself,what did those "Range Rover" tapes accomplish?

[texasmom]

Peter DeVries did not "claim" that the Kalpoes are innocent.

Without the transcript in front of me, iirc Peter was relaying the story that Joran told.  I don't recall any "claims" that Peter made. 

Peter to my knowledge has never indicated that he believed every word Joran stated was true.

Be prepared.               Next will come the "full confession" one.   

 

[texasmom]

I continue to ask myself,what did those "Range Rover" tapes accomplish?

Joran had never admitted, at least not in anything that is public....that he was present when "something bad happened" to Natalee.  In the recordings he admits to being present and contributing to her being disappeared.

[texasmom]

Thankfully ... I am not the only Monkey on the forum who questions the dynamics behind the Range Rover confession tapes.  However ... even if I were ... so be it.

My position from the getgo was that the Range Rover recording was staged and ... that position has not wavered.  It appears that San and I were on the same page as of August of this year.

Janet

++++++++
 

[color=

blue]FEBRUARY, 2008[/color]

Quote from: Tamikosmom on August 09, 2009, 09:10:01 PM

I knew it!!  Hans Mos was aware of the Peter Devries video recording ... the last segment!

I am skeptical that Joran van der Sloot was forewarned by Hans Mos that Patrick van der Eem would betray him and ... an Aruban plan emerges ... an Aruban plan which implicates Joran as being the ONLY person who was with Natalee when she appeared to die from an overdose but ... distances Joran from the crime of murder.  An Aruban plan that disrgards the gardener's observation.  An Aruban plan which will provide Natalee's family with a measure of closure and ... will be instrumental in making them back off which will have the ability to make the Natalee Holloway case become a faded memory.

Think about it.  Joran distances his father.  The Kalpoes are distanced ... they have the ability to implicate Paulus.  Those who assisted Paulus in moving Natalee from the beach are distanced ... they have the ability to distance Paulus.

At this point it is all about protecting Paulus ... he has the most to lose.  Joran was a minor when Natalee Holloway went missing ... he would would receive a slap on the wrist from the Aruban Justice Systen or ... the video recording will be dismissed as evidence.  Nevertheless ... Joran will be the sacrifice.

Maybe ... just maybe ... the Aruban plan was for Joran to name his assistance in the last taping ... the prior taping he had refused to devulge this name.  Maybe ... just maybe ... the Aruban plan was for Joran to claim that he made a call from the public phone ... the international phone.  These were lies that could be easily verified.

However ... I believe that Joran messed up when he concedes that he does not know whether Natalee was deceased when he arranged to have her dumped at sea.  I also believe that Joran messed up when he revealed that his father provided him with a cell phone when he was in prision.  I do not think that these are lies.

Maybe ... just maybe ... the November, 2007 detentions were a ruse ... an opportunity for getting stories straight in regards to the impending video recording.  The last segment of that video was recorded following Joran release from prison.

Maybe ... just maybe ... Tamikosmom has an overactive imagination.
________

San
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #735 2/24 -
« Reply #318 on: February 26, 2008, 08:23:57 AM »

I AGREE WITH YOUR ENTIRE POST.

You don't have an overactive imagination because this is exactly what I thought happened.  I have said that Joran knew he was being taped.  Tamikosmom I think you hit the nail right on the head.  I said this before this was a setup for them to try one last time to say Natalee died of a drug OD without getting anyone in trouble.

As soon as I heard that the Kalpoes were happy with Joran's confession I knew this was a setup.  The Kalpoes and Paulus are the main suspects along with Joran.  They cannot get away from that premeditated charge against Paulus know matter how hard Joran tries.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355674;topicseen#msg355674

+++++++++

AUGUST, 2009

Quote from: Tamikosmom on August 09, 2009, 09:10:01 PM

I believe that the secret vehicle tapes were all a hoax collaborated with the "powers that be" in Aruba to distance the Kalpoes and Paulus from implication in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 and ... focus attention on "only" Joran and an "unknown" accomplist.  Keep it simple!

Think about it. Joran was a minor at the time Natalee Holloway went missing and ... the legal consequences for disposal of a body would be a slap on the wrist.
________

San
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #822 7/28/09 -
« Reply #1753 on: August 09, 2009, 10:13:58 PM »

I have said this from the beginning.

It was keep it simple but there were many involved in this hoax.  Just like the wine throwing incident.  That was all intertwined.  JMO.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5676.msg905691;topicseen#msg905691

Yes, I still believe it was staged.

San, I respect your opinion and I know that you have been right about many things that others have missed.
You have taught me a lot.

But you have never tried to compulsively pound your opinions into anyone's head and you have never
twisted words in order to get your point across.

I miss your input and wish you were here more often.  Maybe you could convince me of things that I do
not believe now.

I agree!   

[texasmom]

I continue to ask myself,what did those "Range Rover" tapes accomplish?

Joran had never admitted, at least not in anything that is public....that he was present when "something bad happened" to Natalee.  In the recordings he admits to being present and contributing to her being disappeared disappearance.

self edit

[texasmom]

I continue to ask myself,what did those "Range Rover" tapes accomplish?

Joran had never admitted, at least not in anything that is public....that he was present when "something bad happened" to Natalee.  In the recordings he admits to being present and contributing to her being disappeared disappearance.

self edit

He also showed the world the "real" Joran Vandersloot.  How he talked about Natalee, and others including at least one Judge, how he was only concerned about himself; and how he was going to cash in on all of this!

 

[Keepthefaith]

I continue to ask myself,what did those "Range Rover" tapes accomplish?

Joran had never admitted, at least not in anything that is public....that he was present when "something bad happened" to Natalee.  In the recordings he admits to being present and contributing to her being disappeared disappearance.

self edit

Agreed TM but,by doing that and implying the Kalpoes had nothing to do with it,where does that leave the Kalpoes?Innocent?

Just Dialogue Madrina!

[San]

Thankfully ... I am not the only Monkey on the forum who questions the dynamics behind the Range Rover confession tapes.  However ... even if I were ... so be it.

My position from the getgo was that the Range Rover recording was staged and ... that position has not wavered.  It appears that San and I were on the same page as of August of this year.

Janet

++++++++
 

[color=

blue]FEBRUARY, 2008[/color]

Quote from: Tamikosmom on August 09, 2009, 09:10:01 PM

I knew it!!  Hans Mos was aware of the Peter Devries video recording ... the last segment!

I am skeptical that Joran van der Sloot was forewarned by Hans Mos that Patrick van der Eem would betray him and ... an Aruban plan emerges ... an Aruban plan which implicates Joran as being the ONLY person who was with Natalee when she appeared to die from an overdose but ... distances Joran from the crime of murder.  An Aruban plan that disrgards the gardener's observation.  An Aruban plan which will provide Natalee's family with a measure of closure and ... will be instrumental in making them back off which will have the ability to make the Natalee Holloway case become a faded memory.

Think about it.  Joran distances his father.  The Kalpoes are distanced ... they have the ability to implicate Paulus.  Those who assisted Paulus in moving Natalee from the beach are distanced ... they have the ability to distance Paulus.

At this point it is all about protecting Paulus ... he has the most to lose.  Joran was a minor when Natalee Holloway went missing ... he would would receive a slap on the wrist from the Aruban Justice Systen or ... the video recording will be dismissed as evidence.  Nevertheless ... Joran will be the sacrifice.

Maybe ... just maybe ... the Aruban plan was for Joran to name his assistance in the last taping ... the prior taping he had refused to devulge this name.  Maybe ... just maybe ... the Aruban plan was for Joran to claim that he made a call from the public phone ... the international phone.  These were lies that could be easily verified.

However ... I believe that Joran messed up when he concedes that he does not know whether Natalee was deceased when he arranged to have her dumped at sea.  I also believe that Joran messed up when he revealed that his father provided him with a cell phone when he was in prision.  I do not think that these are lies.

Maybe ... just maybe ... the November, 2007 detentions were a ruse ... an opportunity for getting stories straight in regards to the impending video recording.  The last segment of that video was recorded following Joran release from prison.

Maybe ... just maybe ... Tamikosmom has an overactive imagination.
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San
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #735 2/24 -
« Reply #318 on: February 26, 2008, 08:23:57 AM »

I AGREE WITH YOUR ENTIRE POST.

You don't have an overactive imagination because this is exactly what I thought happened.  I have said that Joran knew he was being taped.  Tamikosmom I think you hit the nail right on the head.  I said this before this was a setup for them to try one last time to say Natalee died of a drug OD without getting anyone in trouble.

As soon as I heard that the Kalpoes were happy with Joran's confession I knew this was a setup.  The Kalpoes and Paulus are the main suspects along with Joran.  They cannot get away from that premeditated charge against Paulus know matter how hard Joran tries.

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Quote from: Tamikosmom on August 09, 2009, 09:10:01 PM

I believe that the secret vehicle tapes were all a hoax collaborated with the "powers that be" in Aruba to distance the Kalpoes and Paulus from implication in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 and ... focus attention on "only" Joran and an "unknown" accomplist.  Keep it simple!

Think about it. Joran was a minor at the time Natalee Holloway went missing and ... the legal consequences for disposal of a body would be a slap on the wrist.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #822 7/28/09 -
« Reply #1753 on: August 09, 2009, 10:13:58 PM »

I have said this from the beginning.

It was keep it simple but there were many involved in this hoax.  Just like the wine throwing incident.  That was all intertwined.  JMO.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5676.msg905691;topicseen#msg905691

Yes, I still believe it was staged.

San, I respect your opinion and I know that you have been right about many things that others have missed.
You have taught me a lot.

But you have never tried to compulsively pound your opinions into anyone's head and you have never
twisted words in order to get your point across.

I miss your input and wish you were here more often.  Maybe you could convince me of things that I do
not believe now.

My apologies for not being here more often Magnolia.  I often find I have nothing to contribute lately.

I have always felt that the conversation in the car was all a plan.

I would never force my opinion on anyone because that's just what it is.  It's one persons opinion.

[San]

I continue to ask myself,what did those "Range Rover" tapes accomplish?

More heartache for Beth.

[texasmom]

I continue to ask myself,what did those "Range Rover" tapes accomplish?

Joran had never admitted, at least not in anything that is public....that he was present when "something bad happened" to Natalee.  In the recordings he admits to being present and contributing to her being disappeared disappearance.

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Agreed TM but,by doing that and implying the Kalpoes had nothing to do with it,where does that leave the Kalpoes?Innocent?

Just Dialogue Madrina!

They were part of the plan from the beginning.  JMO

Without them, Natalee rides back to the hotel with her friends.

 

[San]

I continue to ask myself,what did those "Range Rover" tapes accomplish?

Joran had never admitted, at least not in anything that is public....that he was present when "something bad happened" to Natalee.  In the recordings he admits to being present and contributing to her being disappeared disappearance.

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He also showed the world the "real" Joran Vandersloot.  How he talked about Natalee, and others including at least one Judge, how he was only concerned about himself; and how he was going to cash in on all of this!

 

We always knew he was only concerned about himself and was looking to cash in on all of this.  His book he wrote was a POS like him and his family.

[San]

I continue to ask myself,what did those "Range Rover" tapes accomplish?

Joran had never admitted, at least not in anything that is public....that he was present when "something bad happened" to Natalee.  In the recordings he admits to being present and contributing to her being disappeared disappearance.

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Agreed TM but,by doing that and implying the Kalpoes had nothing to do with it,where does that leave the Kalpoes?Innocent?

Just Dialogue Madrina!

That's what he was trying to purposely do.  He was trying to say the Kalpoes were innocent.  He was trying to help their case against Dr. Phil.  JMO.

[texasmom]

I continue to ask myself,what did those "Range Rover" tapes accomplish?

Joran had never admitted, at least not in anything that is public....that he was present when "something bad happened" to Natalee.  In the recordings he admits to being present and contributing to her being disappeared disappearance.

self edit

He also showed the world the "real" Joran Vandersloot.  How he talked about Natalee, and others including at least one Judge, how he was only concerned about himself; and how he was going to cash in on all of this!

 

We always knew he was only concerned about himself and was looking to cash in on all of this.  His book he wrote was a POS like him and his family.

I think mommy dearest contributed to that book quite a bit.  JMO