Lively Case Discussion #554 12/4 - 12/6/2006

[jobie]

Kalpoes Released, Van der sloot and Guards Still Suspects
Aruba: Judge Smid ruled today that the Kalpoes can be released as suspects but held that Joran Van der sloot and the Security Guards should continue to remain suspects.

From Aruba dirty Police ^

Deetch does too much satire for me to believe it. I'll wait for verification  

Got ya!  

Thanks.....I thought it was yesterday's news...I got it at as breaking news alert....

Thanks Klaas...

Why in the world are the security guards still considered suspects when they should not have been arrested in the first place?  Was this the recent ruling or am I reading about an older ruling?  I get confused easily.  I have no idea how to get an avatar.  Have never been to photo shop.  Technically, challanged.

OK, never mind.  I posted before I finished reading.  Will go back to reading and keep questions for when I have finished.  Sorry

[Tylergal]

CALLOUT TO SAN.

I am not Lala's or near as up to date on the Shango, but he said "dirty hand walks with the Babylonians and the Arawaks and he has walked in the maze...he knows..."

Just getting caught up with reading......Klaasend the tree really looks lovely, and so full ! I thought there was plenty of room, but to look now it is totally covered, it is really nice, great job.

My opinion about the maze in Shango's writings points to a hotel. We have seen pics of the PIMPS in hotel rooms with Loco Steffy, and on a trip to venezuela.........you know how the hallways of some of the large high-rise hotels in aruba could look like mazes? I think the 3 possibly brought her to the Marriott?

Bingo, BB. There is a tie into that Marriott somewhere.

The boys hang around it too much. Especially when you

examine all of their Suspect ALE STATEMENTS.

They talk about a previous visit months earlier...

Deepak or Satish... Joran drove my mother's car drunk.

About mid June, there was a post from one of the PIMPS to Joran about all the good times they had at the Marriott.

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Hiya Tylergal,

Do you still have a link or a screenshot to that post?


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My instincts tell me that Marriott is a hot zone of some sort!

It is also such
an easy location for a quick beach drop... or even a
drainage basin drop. That part makes me sick
to think about.

...and the boys have reported driving away from it together
on previous occasions in ALE witness statements.

JORAN DRIVING DEEPAK'S MOTHER'S CAR DRUNK comes to mind.

I wonder if they were scoring free VIP rooms of sorts?

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Also, does anyone have any info compiled on old ownership...

They just sold it recently I hear!

Carpe, either I deleted all that or gave it to somebody or it was caught up in my computer crash.  I no longer have anything from back then but I had tons at one time.

[2NJSons_Mom]

casa, VietVet said that he was a friend of Jugs and was in Aruba searching with them early on.

I've always kinda wondered, because if he is a VietVet, he is much older than Jug.

Well, goodness.  I have friends who are half my age.  I am sad now to think that a younger person would not want to be a friend or an associate of an older person. I always had older friends when I was young.  What's wrong with me?

My DH was 28 yrs old in 1975, which I believe was the end of the war.  If there were 18-19 year olds serving, then, they would be approx. 10 years younger than my DH.  And, you're right, Tylergal, age has nothing to do with friendship, and since I have younger & older friends, I am no different from you.  And there's nothing wrong.

[bleachedblack]

I do think that the part about sandcastles means they were never at the beach. The reference to never heard the bouy toll, meant she was not in the ocean.....My thought at the time was van der stratten was dirty hand, and I still tend to think he was one of the dirty hands(there are several different spellings-some with capitols some as 2 words), but I think the coverup and inital  messing up of evidence was his doing IMO.

[bleachedblack]

casa, VietVet said that he was a friend of Jugs and was in Aruba searching with them early on.

I've always kinda wondered, because if he is a VietVet, he is much older than Jug.

Well, goodness.  I have friends who are half my age.  I am sad now to think that a younger person would not want to be a friend or an associate of an older person. I always had older friends when I was young.  What's wrong with me?

My DH was 28 yrs old in 1975, which I believe was the end of the war.  If there were 18-19 year olds serving, then, they would be approx. 10 years younger than my DH.  And, you're right, Tylergal, age has nothing to do with friendship, and since I have younger & older friends, I am no different from you.  And there's nothing wrong.

Thought the vietnam war ended in'73....i'll check

[casa]

Ok, I have been reading all this and I have a question.  Who is this Viet Vet person and why are we all believing him/her with no proof?  I am just wondering because people can post ANYTHING but that does not make it true.  I'm sorry but as this case goes on I think there are people who play with us and get their kicks posting and starting things that are not true.  I truely hope this is NOT true because I would hate to think that this happend to Natalee or anyone for that matter.

Vietvet according to some highly placed sources is one of the "cowboys" who accompanied Jug & Beth the first night, and is the father of Natalee's boyfriend.

Beth stated that Natalee did not have a boyfriend.  I think I was even told that Natalee didn't have a boyfriend.

The boy who escorted her to the prom.  I think that was the reference that I was given.

Ok, but I didn't think he was a boyfriend but just a friend.  Maybe that is where the confusion comes in.  In my opinion he was a cutie and I wouldn't blame her for having him as a boyfriend!

[Anna]

There was also rumored talk on forums about a quickie room remodel at the Marriott following Natalee's disappearance......which ended with as I recall
"....just ask the cleaning staff at the Marriott they know what happened".

Now I heard that early about the Holiday Inn instead of the Marriott.  But I guess it is possible rooms get trashed by destrictive tourists fairly often.  

But do try maze as the drug sometime for it fits about as well as anything, at least to me but then I am not into Shango so what do I know.  I do know that link I posted to that one Marvel page has most of the characters right on it on that one page.  It has to be at least the source for Shango's names in this.  Otherwise the coincidence would be just astronomiocal for all of them being at one place like that.  Odds off the chart of that happening by accident.

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[bleachedblack]

casa, VietVet said that he was a friend of Jugs and was in Aruba searching with them early on.

I've always kinda wondered, because if he is a VietVet, he is much older than Jug.

Well, goodness.  I have friends who are half my age.  I am sad now to think that a younger person would not want to be a friend or an associate of an older person. I always had older friends when I was young.  What's wrong with me?

My DH was 28 yrs old in 1975, which I believe was the end of the war.  If there were 18-19 year olds serving, then, they would be approx. 10 years younger than my DH.  And, you're right, Tylergal, age has nothing to do with friendship, and since I have younger & older friends, I am no different from you.  And there's nothing wrong.

Thought the vietnam war ended in'73....i'll check

sorry you're right it was '75

[casa]

casa, VietVet said that he was a friend of Jugs and was in Aruba searching with them early on.

I've always kinda wondered, because if he is a VietVet, he is much older than Jug.

Well, goodness.  I have friends who are half my age.  I am sad now to think that a younger person would not want to be a friend or an associate of an older person. I always had older friends when I was young.  What's wrong with me?

My DH was 28 yrs old in 1975, which I believe was the end of the war.  If there were 18-19 year olds serving, then, they would be approx. 10 years younger than my DH.  And, you're right, Tylergal, age has nothing to do with friendship, and since I have younger & older friends, I am no different from you.  And there's nothing wrong.

Thought the vietnam war ended in'73....i'll check

sorry you're right it was '75

American troups left Viet Nam in 1973

[Anna]

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Yes, VietNam era was 33 years ago,  Someone twenty when Siagon fell would now be a whopping 53 years old.    I think Jug is mid forties to late forties?

Think the guy owns drug stores but is not a pharmacist for some reason, can't remember but he did mention Natlaee was allergic to some meds but didn't say which ones, of course.

Father of the prom boy sounds sort of right as well.  He has posted for a very long time just not often.  I do think he reads most of the front page.  

But of course no one is required to believe anything, not even Shango.      
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[bleachedblack]

Anna wrote;

Now I heard that early about the Holiday Inn instead of the Marriott. But I guess it is possible rooms get trashed by destrictive tourists fairly often.

You have a memory like a steel trap. I will never doubt you.....I think  

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Was one of the Holiday Inn rooms stripped of its carpet and re-done the day Natalee Holloway “disappeared?” If so, why? Could the bloody mattress that was found at the dump have come from that room? If so, why was there blood on it, whose, and why didn’t the Aruba Polis have a sample of that blood analyzed?

Where is the manager of the Holiday Inn that reportedly “vanished”…and, if true, why has he apparently left Aruba?

We know the General Manager of the Marriott Hotel has reportedly just been “promoted” to a position in Mexico City, Mexico. Is the timing just coincidental to the “disappearance” of Natalee, or is there some other reason he’s gone from Aruba?

[bleachedblack]

'shaky reference for above info....

http://tinyurl.com/y3azm2

[Anna]

Anna wrote;

Now I heard that early about the Holiday Inn instead of the Marriott. But I guess it is possible rooms get trashed by destrictive tourists fairly often.

You have a memory like a steel trap. I will never doubt you.....I think  

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Was one of the Holiday Inn rooms stripped of its carpet and re-done the day Natalee Holloway “disappeared?” If so, why? Could the bloody mattress that was found at the dump have come from that room? If so, why was there blood on it, whose, and why didn’t the Aruba Polis have a sample of that blood analyzed?

Where is the manager of the Holiday Inn that reportedly “vanished”…and, if true, why has he apparently left Aruba?

We know the General Manager of the Marriott Hotel has reportedly just been “promoted” to a position in Mexico City, Mexico. Is the timing just coincidental to the “disappearance” of Natalee, or is there some other reason he’s gone from Aruba?

No, my memory is far from like a steel trap, more like fly paper.  Some stuff sticks and other falls off.   Always doubt me, please!!


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[casa]

I wanted to read Viet Vet's post on the front page but I can't find it.  Anyone have a link?

[bleachedblack]

Good Night Monkeys ......

[klaasend]

I wanted to read Viet Vet's post on the front page but I can't find it.  Anyone have a link?

He's made several posts over the last few months.  Want me to grab a couple for you?

[Anna]

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What did stick in my mind about the room at the HI that was supposedly gutted is that the person sort of claimed to watch all the stuff loaded into a white truck then unloaded at the landfill.

I always wondered how they could see that far away to watch it being unloaded at the land fill as that was sort of what they claimed.

Odd, that.


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[casa]

I wanted to read Viet Vet's post on the front page but I can't find it.  Anyone have a link?

He's made several posts over the last few months.  Want me to grab a couple for you?

If it is not too much trouble, Klaasend.  Don't put yourself out for my doubting self though!  haha

[Tylergal]

casa, VietVet said that he was a friend of Jugs and was in Aruba searching with them early on.

I've always kinda wondered, because if he is a VietVet, he is much older than Jug.

Well, goodness.  I have friends who are half my age.  I am sad now to think that a younger person would not want to be a friend or an associate of an older person. I always had older friends when I was young.  What's wrong with me?

My DH was 28 yrs old in 1975, which I believe was the end of the war.  If there were 18-19 year olds serving, then, they would be approx. 10 years younger than my DH.  And, you're right, Tylergal, age has nothing to do with friendship, and since I have younger & older friends, I am no different from you.  And there's nothing wrong.

Thought the vietnam war ended in'73....i'll check

I did a typo, I meant 1973.  I added a year instead of subtracting when I was thinking about Nixon leaving office in 1974.  My bad.

[klaasend]

I wanted to read Viet Vet's post on the front page but I can't find it.  Anyone have a link?

He's made several posts over the last few months.  Want me to grab a couple for you?

If it is not too much trouble, Klaasend.  Don't put yourself out for my doubting self though!  haha

I'll pull a few after the thread change.