Caylee Marie Anthony # 148 9/30/09 - 10/11/09

[tupelohoney]

I for one, am getting sick and tired of seeing justice for Caylee being put off due to AL's schedule.       I hope in the future when a lawyer is brought in on a case from out of state, that the judge will make sure that the lawyer will work around the case's schedule and not the personal schedule of the lawyer.

[Babybear]

I believe Judge Strickland already ruled on the defense team having access to the scene where the remains were found as the investigation by LE progressed.   If I recall correctly, His Honor  said that he would not be a party to the defense messing up the scene or something to that effect.  Anyway, with Henry Lee's performance when he was allowed access to the Phil Spector house, i.e. when he picked up an acrylic fingernail belonging to the victim and which was probative to the investigation.  Even a defense lawyer testified to witnessing it. So one wonders what he would have done at the scene of Casey's remains.  I think that might be a point for the SA to bring up, that Dr. Lee was judged to not be trustworthy in the Spector trial.  (Maybe not those exact words, but that is the import.) It is, in fact, unheard of for the defense to be given free rein at a crime scene before LE is finished and certainly not when it is not even determined that the remains have any connection whatsoever to their client. IMO had they done so, they would now be claiming that the crime scene was contaminated by themselves.

IMO these big-time lawyers and so-called experts are not what they purport to be.  I think that Ms. Baden arrived in Orlando with the arrogant attitude that she would "Educate" the judge, an attitude which did not nurture any good feeling toward her by the locals. Ms. Lyons blew in like an ill wind with a lot of baggage, i.e. her very busy schedule to unload her book, slovenly and unkempt and quite unprofessional looking IMO. As Shakespeare said, "Clothes do make the man."  If not make, at least add a lot to credibility.  And the old addage, overused perhaps, but still true, "You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar," applies here.  I have never seen anyone with a more unpleasant expression on her face, except perhaps Kate Gosselin, but that's another story.

Lsten up defense; Now comes Babybear to tell you you are full of it.

I also believe that the SA has enough evidence to support a prima facie case even with the limited amount of evidence we now have.

Great post Babybear! I know people say it shouldn't matter what "Ms. Wide Load" wears, but come on, she looks like she shops at yard sales for her wardrobe.

O/T....living about a mile from the Gosselins, unfortunately I have to see Kate's ugly mug more than I ever want. She is just miserable ALWAYS! I feel sooooo sorry for the children.

I know this is O/T, but I can't resist. I have never seen Kate Gosselin without a frown and those deep furrows between her eyebrows.  She needs to see her plastic surgeon again, but her husband is dating his daughter.  What's a girl to do?   I wish the state Of Pa would place someone in the Gosselin home to supervise the nannys and Kate in their care of those precious innocent-in-all-this children.

[seemeatthebeach]

I for one, am getting sick and tired of seeing justice for Caylee being put off due to AL's schedule.       I hope in the future when a lawyer is brought in on a case from out of state, that the judge will make sure that the lawyer will work around the case's schedule and not the personal schedule of the lawyer.

I am too sick of this bullpoop!! Someone needs to send Judge Strickland a list of all Lyons extra-curricular activities she is attending, hosting, etc.......all the while postponing hearings in this case. JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE!!!

[Stacey]

Hello Monkeys

I am trying to think like the defence would think LOL but having her sign 2 statements makes me think this.

Dropping Caylee off at Sawgrass with Zanni
Yes I did this and I never saw Caylee again

Not reporting her missing for 30 days
She is saying this is the only thing I did wrong

So anything that happened in between these 2 things I had nothing to do with

Monkey hugs

 

[Gypsy DD]

Michigan Law's Death Penalty Defense College

From a press release:  "Discussions about the use of the death penalty in this country elicit varying but always strong opinions. One thing for certain -- if you ever are accused of a capital offense, you want an attorney who knows what he or she is doing.  In late May, the University of Michigan Law School hosted its sixth Clarence Darrow Death Penalty Defense College, which is designed to help defense attorneys hone their skills through hands-on workshops that focus on the attorneys' current death penalty cases.  According to the college’s founder and director, Andrea Lyon, the college is "not about innocence. It’s about saving people’s lives." And the program has been successful in that goal. Since 2000 when the college was started, attorneys have brought more than 120 capital cases to the college. Lyon knows of only one case among the 120 that did not result in a plea bargain or life instead of a death sentence. That one exception was a case in which the defendant dismissed his attorney and asked to be executed.  Lyon, who is currently an associate professor at DePaul University College of Law, began the program at the University of Michigan while she was on the clinical faculty here. At DePaul, Lyon also directs the Center for Justice in Capital Cases and supervises that law school’s Death Penalty Legal Clinic.

MORE....

http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/crimprof_blog/2005/06/u_of_ms_death_p.html

Thanks No Rose.  That one line says it all..Lyons is going to plea her .  That's what I said in my last post and that is what I believe Lyons is working toward..getting Casey herself, in a position to accept she needs to plea if she doesn't want the DP.

[seemeatthebeach]

Babybear......I'm going to musing to post O/T about Gosselins.

[Fanny Mae]

Can someone please confirm when Ms Lyon was announced to be part of the Dream team?  I think it was in last part of May.

Here she is as a speaker of another conference.  Judge Stan Ito has sure been accommodating to her teaching duties, yet she seems to have spare time to fly around and speak.  Guess this case is not her first priority nor is the Judge's calendar.

http://www.nacdl.org/public.nsf/Events/Annualmeeting_AgendaA?Opendocument

I'm pretty sure it was in the spring. This is how Cin Cin looked that first day in court when Andrea showed up.

[RavenJLS]

O/T  Tupelo.I didn't see you this morning.Hope you feel better.   

Hi Trimm!, and thanks! I just got here....I could be better, hopefully soon.


I saw this posted on another forum:

(from a WFTV commenter). Snipped:

"...Has anyone noticed that the day Casey was arrested that a lot of people seemed to vanish into thin air? I mean the way I see it the following people just stopped being on this planet when Casey was arrested:

1. Zani The Nanny
2. Zani's Mother
3. Rachael (Zanni's roommates)
4. Juliet Lewis (outcry person at Universal)
5. Jeffrey Michael Hopkins (outcry person at Universal)
6. Nurse who found wound behind Zani's ear at hospital
7. Doctors who examined Zani at hospital after accident
8. Entire Hospital Staff who were there when Zani was brought to the hospital
9. Zachary (Jeffey Micheal Hopkins kid)
10. Ambulance driver who took Zani to hospital
11. Donale Johnson (orderly who brought Zani her dinner in the room)
12. Shequanda (orderly who picked up empty food tray in Zani's room)
13. Officer Jake (officer who took report of accident)
14. Entire hotel staff at Hard Rock where Zani and Casey stayed
15. Zenaida Fernandez Gonzales (the Ten)

I'm sure I'm forgetting a few missing people...can anyone add to the list?"

Oct. 6, 2009 9:33pm EDT | from kameronJ

not a missing person but the phone that held the numbers to a lot of these people went missing too!

[crazybabyborg]

O/T  Tupelo.I didn't see you this morning.Hope you feel better.   

Hi Trimm!, and thanks! I just got here....I could be better, hopefully soon.


I saw this posted on another forum:

(from a WFTV commenter). Snipped:

"...Has anyone noticed that the day Casey was arrested that a lot of people seemed to vanish into thin air? I mean the way I see it the following people just stopped being on this planet when Casey was arrested:

1. Zani The Nanny
2. Zani's Mother
3. Rachael (Zanni's roommates)
4. Juliet Lewis (outcry person at Universal)
5. Jeffrey Michael Hopkins (outcry person at Universal)
6. Nurse who found wound behind Zani's ear at hospital
7. Doctors who examined Zani at hospital after accident
8. Entire Hospital Staff who were there when Zani was brought to the hospital
9. Zachary (Jeffey Micheal Hopkins kid)
10. Ambulance driver who took Zani to hospital
11. Donale Johnson (orderly who brought Zani her dinner in the room)
12. Shequanda (orderly who picked up empty food tray in Zani's room)
13. Officer Jake (officer who took report of accident)
14. Entire hotel staff at Hard Rock where Zani and Casey stayed
15. Zenaida Fernandez Gonzales (the Ten)

I'm sure I'm forgetting a few missing people...can anyone add to the list?"

Oct. 6, 2009 9:33pm EDT | from kameronJ

Sorry for the retro posting but that's a great start for a list! I'll contribute!

16. Sawgrass Apt. Staff that rented to Zani!

edit: SAWgrass, not SEAgrass.        Sorry!

[crazybabyborg]

Can someone please confirm when Ms Lyon was announced to be part of the Dream team?  I think it was in last part of May.

Here she is as a speaker of another conference.  Judge Stan Ito has sure been accommodating to her teaching duties, yet she seems to have spare time to fly around and speak.  Guess this case is not her first priority nor is the Judge's calendar.

http://www.nacdl.org/public.nsf/Events/Annualmeeting_AgendaA?Opendocument

I'm pretty sure it was in the spring. This is how Cin Cin looked that first day in court when Andrea showed up.

I remember that doily!

[Babybear]

Michigan Law's Death Penalty Defense College

From a press release:  "Discussions about the use of the death penalty in this country elicit varying but always strong opinions. One thing for certain -- if you ever are accused of a capital offense, you want an attorney who knows what he or she is doing.  In late May, the University of Michigan Law School hosted its sixth Clarence Darrow Death Penalty Defense College, which is designed to help defense attorneys hone their skills through hands-on workshops that focus on the attorneys' current death penalty cases.  According to the college’s founder and director, Andrea Lyon, the college is "not about innocence. It’s about saving people’s lives." And the program has been successful in that goal. Since 2000 when the college was started, attorneys have brought more than 120 capital cases to the college. Lyon knows of only one case among the 120 that did not result in a plea bargain or life instead of a death sentence. That one exception was a case in which the defendant dismissed his attorney and asked to be executed.  Lyon, who is currently an associate professor at DePaul University College of Law, began the program at the University of Michigan while she was on the clinical faculty here. At DePaul, Lyon also directs the Center for Justice in Capital Cases and supervises that law school’s Death Penalty Legal Clinic.

MORE....

http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/crimprof_blog/2005/06/u_of_ms_death_p.html

It sounds like to me that Lyons was brought in to convince the skank to take a plea for LWOP. That is, if a plea is ever offered. IMO

I agree with saving people's lives, I just think she has the order of the saving wrong.

[Golden Oldie]

Good morning everyone.

I was reading the statements by Lee & KC.....  http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1473802/Statement---Casey-Anthony-Written-2008-0715

I didn't remember that Lee gave his statement (7/15) a day before KC (7/16). 

This old mind is, at this point, having a hard time keeping up with who said what date, when, who, how, etc.  It's so confusing.   I don't remember if any smart monkey has put together a list of dates and changes of dates of occurrences made by the A's.

All I can think of in reading KC's statement, when she refers to taking and dropping Caylee off at Sawgrass Apts., is that she really meant dumped her in the wooded area.  Just makes me sick to my stomach.

[crazybabyborg]

Michigan Law's Death Penalty Defense College

From a press release:  "Discussions about the use of the death penalty in this country elicit varying but always strong opinions. One thing for certain -- if you ever are accused of a capital offense, you want an attorney who knows what he or she is doing.  In late May, the University of Michigan Law School hosted its sixth Clarence Darrow Death Penalty Defense College, which is designed to help defense attorneys hone their skills through hands-on workshops that focus on the attorneys' current death penalty cases.  According to the college’s founder and director, Andrea Lyon, the college is "not about innocence. It’s about saving people’s lives." And the program has been successful in that goal. Since 2000 when the college was started, attorneys have brought more than 120 capital cases to the college. Lyon knows of only one case among the 120 that did not result in a plea bargain or life instead of a death sentence. That one exception was a case in which the defendant dismissed his attorney and asked to be executed.  Lyon, who is currently an associate professor at DePaul University College of Law, began the program at the University of Michigan while she was on the clinical faculty here. At DePaul, Lyon also directs the Center for Justice in Capital Cases and supervises that law school’s Death Penalty Legal Clinic.

MORE....

http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/crimprof_blog/2005/06/u_of_ms_death_p.html

It sounds like to me that Lyons was brought in to convince the skank to take a plea for LWOP. That is, if a plea is ever offered. IMO

I agree with saving people's lives, I just think she has the order of the saving wrong.

Exactly, Babybear! 

[no rose colored glasses]

I guess I most be missing the point of the defense teams having her swear to those two sentences.  She already did swear to both of those when she wrote, in her own handwriting, at the beginning of the case her description of what had taken place..her initial statement to LE that was handwritten.
 
So why is the defense making an issue of this now?  LE has had those statements from the family since the day they all wrote them.  This will not save her from the DP..nor will it give her a lighter sentence. Infact it is showing her to be a liar and not trustworthy.  Lyons is well aware of that fact.

The only reason I can give for them doing that now is they are taking Casey in very small steps over the next months up to being ready to plea.  They are showing her that the motions are not going to get her off a DP trial..they are having to act out the whole way this trial will play out..and these motions are the start of that preperation for her to eventually come to her own conclusion she would be best served by pleaing. I don't think Casey is the type of person to take anyone's advice..even her high powered lawyers..unless she thought the idea came from her own conclusions. MOO

I have been scratching my head trying to figure this out, I think you are correct about being ready to plea.

[no rose colored glasses]

Michigan Law's Death Penalty Defense College

From a press release:  "Discussions about the use of the death penalty in this country elicit varying but always strong opinions. One thing for certain -- if you ever are accused of a capital offense, you want an attorney who knows what he or she is doing.  In late May, the University of Michigan Law School hosted its sixth Clarence Darrow Death Penalty Defense College, which is designed to help defense attorneys hone their skills through hands-on workshops that focus on the attorneys' current death penalty cases.  According to the college’s founder and director, Andrea Lyon, the college is "not about innocence. It’s about saving people’s lives." And the program has been successful in that goal. Since 2000 when the college was started, attorneys have brought more than 120 capital cases to the college. Lyon knows of only one case among the 120 that did not result in a plea bargain or life instead of a death sentence. That one exception was a case in which the defendant dismissed his attorney and asked to be executed.  Lyon, who is currently an associate professor at DePaul University College of Law, began the program at the University of Michigan while she was on the clinical faculty here. At DePaul, Lyon also directs the Center for Justice in Capital Cases and supervises that law school’s Death Penalty Legal Clinic.

MORE....

http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/crimprof_blog/2005/06/u_of_ms_death_p.html

It sounds like to me that Lyons was brought in to convince the skank to take a plea for LWOP. That is, if a plea is ever offered. IMO

I've been thinking this for awhile now, that Andrea can talk some sense into Casey.

[Northern Rose]

Michigan Law's Death Penalty Defense College

From a press release:  "Discussions about the use of the death penalty in this country elicit varying but always strong opinions. One thing for certain -- if you ever are accused of a capital offense, you want an attorney who knows what he or she is doing.  In late May, the University of Michigan Law School hosted its sixth Clarence Darrow Death Penalty Defense College, which is designed to help defense attorneys hone their skills through hands-on workshops that focus on the attorneys' current death penalty cases.  According to the college’s founder and director, Andrea Lyon, the college is "not about innocence. It’s about saving people’s lives." And the program has been successful in that goal. Since 2000 when the college was started, attorneys have brought more than 120 capital cases to the college. Lyon knows of only one case among the 120 that did not result in a plea bargain or life instead of a death sentence. That one exception was a case in which the defendant dismissed his attorney and asked to be executed.  Lyon, who is currently an associate professor at DePaul University College of Law, began the program at the University of Michigan while she was on the clinical faculty here. At DePaul, Lyon also directs the Center for Justice in Capital Cases and supervises that law school’s Death Penalty Legal Clinic.

MORE....

http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/crimprof_blog/2005/06/u_of_ms_death_p.html

Thanks No Rose.  That one line says it all..Lyons is going to plea her .  That's what I said in my last post and that is what I believe Lyons is working toward..getting Casey herself, in a position to accept she needs to plea if she doesn't want the DP.

I totally agree with you.  However I do not think that it will be as simple as Ms Lyon telling her to take the plea and Casey going okey dokey.  I believe it will be a true battle of wills to get Casey to take it especially since she has been reading law books in her cell and thinking she is as important as all the lawyers that sit at the same table in the court room. 

Lyon has forgotten that it is ALL about the innocence of the victim - a precious little girl who could not defend herself against the hands of a murderer. Who was there to save Caylee's life? Not JoJo, not Spindy, not Lee, not any of the other leaches that have inserted themselves into  the foundations, denial tour, and advocate for the innocence of Casey.   

[Northern Rose]

Michigan Law's Death Penalty Defense College

From a press release:  "Discussions about the use of the death penalty in this country elicit varying but always strong opinions. One thing for certain -- if you ever are accused of a capital offense, you want an attorney who knows what he or she is doing.  In late May, the University of Michigan Law School hosted its sixth Clarence Darrow Death Penalty Defense College, which is designed to help defense attorneys hone their skills through hands-on workshops that focus on the attorneys' current death penalty cases.  According to the college’s founder and director, Andrea Lyon, the college is "not about innocence. It’s about saving people’s lives." And the program has been successful in that goal. Since 2000 when the college was started, attorneys have brought more than 120 capital cases to the college. Lyon knows of only one case among the 120 that did not result in a plea bargain or life instead of a death sentence. That one exception was a case in which the defendant dismissed his attorney and asked to be executed.  Lyon, who is currently an associate professor at DePaul University College of Law, began the program at the University of Michigan while she was on the clinical faculty here. At DePaul, Lyon also directs the Center for Justice in Capital Cases and supervises that law school’s Death Penalty Legal Clinic.

MORE....

http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/crimprof_blog/2005/06/u_of_ms_death_p.html

It sounds like to me that Lyons was brought in to convince the skank to take a plea for LWOP. That is, if a plea is ever offered. IMO

I agree with saving people's lives, I just think she has the order of the saving wrong.

Very well said!

[Nut44x4]

Yes....I said that when she was first hired on. Her job is to save Casey's life...period.

I predicted then that Casey would fire her within a month....I was wrong on that, but it 'ain't over till it's over'. Casey will never admit to/plea to anything to do with anything. End of story.

[Fanny Mae]

Yes....I said that when she was first hired on. Her job is to save Casey's life...period.

I predicted then that Casey would fire her within a month....I was wrong on that, but it 'ain't over till it's over'. Casey will never admit to/plea to anything to do with anything. End of story.

I guess it is going to be a knockdown drag out till the bitter end. 

[trimmonthelake]

Yes....I said that when she was first hired on. Her job is to save Casey's life...period.

I predicted then that Casey would fire her within a month....I was wrong on that, but it 'ain't over till it's over'. Casey will never admit to/plea to anything to do with anything. End of story.

I guess it is going to be a knockdown drag out till the bitter end. 

I think so too.If Casey admitted anything I would fall off my chair.