PETER DEVRIES' WEBSITE - CONFESSION ON TAPE

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As at it may go "poof" at some future date ... I made a decision to copy and page Peter Devries' website pertaining to the account of the entire Range Rover confession.

Janet
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HOME PAGE

http://www.peterrdevries.com/

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THE COMPLETE STORY
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case

Almost half a year ago Peter R. de Vries, crime reporter, met Patrick van der Eem. Patrick was born on Curacao and is nowadays a successful entrepreneur in the east of Holland. He met Joran van der Sloot by complete coincidence in the casino. The two of them started talking and seemed to ‘click’. What followed were more meetings and soon Patrick noticed that Joran looked up to him and started to trust him. This is strengthened by the fact that Patrick pretends not to be interested in the Holloway-case.
 
- PATRICK: JORAN’S ‘BEST FRIEND’ -

When Joran returns to the Netherlands in 2006 he is overwhelmed by so-called friends and the press, who question him constantly about the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Patrick at least is someone who doesn’t ask or so it seems. It becomes obvious that Joran likes to smoke large amounts of weed. This is why Patrick decides to pose as an experienced weed cultivator which makes Joran look up to him even more.

But Patrick is interested and suspects that Joran is involved with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. He gets this from the innuendos the 20 year old makes. Patrick doesn’t respond to these, but does approach our show with this story. Together with Peter R. de Vries they develop a strategy to get Joran talking about the case in front of the camera.

From the start it is clear that Patrick is indeed Jorans best friend. There are numerous complimentary text messages and a couple of phone calls, made in our company, to confirm that. Our plan is to use a car prepared with hidden cameras to create a relaxed environment for Joran to talk. In the second half of November everything is ready to go. Patrick will pick up Joran in a tricked out Range Rover to go and cruise around and of course to talk.

- ARREST RUINS PLAN –

But then, a day before we would start, the ministry of Justice ruins our plans. On the 21st of November 2007 Joran is arrested and brought back to Aruba. There are a couple of new facts in the judicial investigation, but Joran keeps his mouth shut and on the 7th of December he is a free man again and officially not a suspect anymore. Out of everyone, our insider Patrick is one of the first people he calls from Aruba. Patrick tapes the conversation.

Joran boasts that he was too clever for the police and that soon he will be back in the Netherlands. On the 9th of January he arrives at Schiphol airport and one day later he meets up with Patrick to see his new Range Rover, the car that has been prepared with three hidden cameras.

- THE WINE INCIDENT -

On the 10th of January 2008 we start our undercover operation. An advantage of the recent arrest is that Patrick can now bring up the subject naturally. During their first drive it becomes apparent that joran has a low opinion of the public prosecutor and the department of justice.  He declares that he wants to claim damages from everyone and is invited to speak on the Pauw & Witteman show. As luck would have it Peter R. de Vries will also be there. After the show Joran throws a glass of red wine in Peters face.

Two day’s after the famous wine-incident Joran gets into Patricks Range Rover again. Our cameras capture Joran talking for the first time in detail about Natalee Holloway. He confirms she’s dead and will never be found because ‘the ocean is big’. He also declares that he can never be caught because he was lucky.

Furthermore he relates that he was helped in the disposal of the body. Who this is or who these people are (Joran talks often in the plural), he won’t tell yet. What follows are four long drives in which our hidden cameras tape 15 hours of conversation.

- COMPLETE CONFESSION -

At last Joran gives a complete confession, in which he reconstructs in detail what happened on the fatal night of the 29th onto the 30th of May 2005 on Aruba.

He and Natalee were dropped off that night by the Surinam brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe in their silver-gray Honda Civic nearby the Mariott Hotel on Palm Beach.  This is more than 100 meters away from the so-called Fisherman’s Huts, of which Joran talked about to the police.

After that he and Natalee were making love on the beach, when all of the sudden Natalee started to shake and seemed to have died. Joran dragged her body to some bushes that grow alongside the beach and walked up to a payphone near the swimming pool of the Marriot Hotel to call a friend.

- THE FRIEND WITH THE BOAT -

Joran phones a person named ‘Daury’ who is half Dutch and half Aruban. A couple of other times Joran talks about the fact that he was helped by several other people that night.  Daury has a boat docked in front of the hotel in which he takes cruise tourists on ‘tubes’ and ‘bananas’.  Daury came instantly to Joran and together they quickly declared that Natalee was in fact dead.
Together they carried the girl from the beach into Daury’s boat. Daury tells Joran to walk home. He, the friend, takes off onto the ocean where he throws Natalee’s body out of the boat into the sea. After that he visits Joran at his home, he has an apartment in the garden of his parent’s house, to talk about what happened. Joran tells Daury he walked back home and  hid his shoes in a storm drain. Later on he sat some time behind his computer and the following morning he went to school as usual. The next night he went to the casino ‘just to be recorded on camera’.  In a cold premeditated manner he leaves behind traces which could clarify that he didn’t have time to kill Natalee. Very clever for a seventeen-year-old, but Joran is of course the son of a judge-to-be.

- HEARTLESS -

Joran shows no emotion towards Patrick when he tells him that he didn’t sleep one night less because of the whole situation. He also tells him that Natalee’s death was in fact quite fortunate for him. “Now I can abuse the whole situation”, he says indicating the book he has written.

Jorans friends Deepak and Satish, who have been arrested for this case several times, are completely innocent. Joran declares with pride that he has abused them to create an alibi for himself. He calls them “very stupid boys’”.
 

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm

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02 - 15 - 2008 / 11:30 a.m. (G.M.T.)

NO REARREST FOR JORAN: HOW DO YOU
EXPLAIN THAT TO HER RELATIVES.....?

Joran van der Sloot will not be rearrested for his role in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, according to a decision handed down by the Court on Aruba last night. This is not altogether surprising, considering an earlier pronouncement by the examining judge that the case is now technically ‘on appeal’, but it is difficult to explain. The main problem is that Dutch law does not provide for detention on remand for disposing of a body. It is indeed an offence which carries a maximum penalty of six months imprisonment, but one can’t be kept in custody pending such a sentence.

- INCOMPREHENSIBLE AND INCONCEIVABLE -

If, during the drives, Joran had admitted to doing something to Natalee, this would imply a different – more serious – offence, which would indeed have allowed for detention on remand.

However legally correct this may be, this approach remains incomprehensible and inconceivable to Natalee’s relatives. During five separate drives, Joran admitted to being present when Natalie died, that he didn’t go for help but rather had her body dumped in the ocean so that the police and her relatives could never find out what happened. As soon as the detectives’ investigations showed that he certainly must have been involved in the disappearance however, he chose to lie to the world in a despicable manner about his actions and movements on the night concerned.

- REWARD FOR SABOTAGING INVESTIGATION -

It is a bitter pill to swallow – one that I have also come across in other cases – where a suspect has disposed of a body and managed to get off scot-free. Why does one dispose of the body? It is almost invariably to prevent the police from establishing exactly what happened to the person, usually because an offence has been committed. Also, for intentionally sabotaging the resulting investigation, one isn’t punished but rather rewarded because one cannot be arrested. What is just is not always fair. I will try to explain the logic of this to Beth Holloway, Natalee’s mother, but I doubt I will succeed.

In addition, the Court on Aruba stated that it’s ‘impression’ that Joran is a systematic liar further underpinned its decision. Usually, the fact that someone tells a pack of lies in a case concerning life and death should be a valid reason on its own to arrest the suspect, if only for the opportunity to get to the bottom of the matter.

- ADMISSION WHILE UNDER THE INFLUENCE? -

One of the things that Joran is certainly lying about is that his admissions in the car were made under the influence of marijuana. I must reiterate that Joran constantly admitted his role during five separate drives. During some of them, he did indeed smoke a joint, as is his habit. However, the TV footage shows clearly that during some of the drives he did NOT smoke, or did so only AFTER Natalee’s case was discussed. And never for a single moment did Joran say anything during a subsequent drive to intimate that last time, he had been stoned and had sprouted a lot of hot air. On the contrary. Each time, Joran reconfirmed his involvement in the disappearance, augmenting his confessions with new details. And during this frequently repeated account while ‘under the influence’, he also provided precise responses to the unanswered questions that police and justice still have in this case.

Moreover, anyone who has ever smoked marijuana knows that it effect does not prompt you to admit to unsolved crimes. Where that is the case, police stations in the Netherlands and elsewhere would be overflowing.

- INVESTIGATION CONTINUES-

For all clarity, the fact that Van der Sloot has not been taken into custody on remand does not mean that the judicial investigation against him has come to an end. Far from it. The Public Prosecutor is working hard on the case in which Joran van der Sloot is still prime suspect.

Peter R. de Vries

http://www.peterrdevries.com/news-norearrest.htm

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THE COMPLETE INTERVIEW WITH BETH TWITTY
Thursday 31 January 2008

Peter R. DeVries: “This is a full confession.”

Beth Twitty: “You got every bit of it. That son of a bitch. Oh God.”

Peter R. DeVries:“No regrets at all.”

Beth Twitty: “No, he don’t even know if she’s dead or not. No.”

Peter R. DeVries:“He only seems to care for himself.”

Beth Twitty: “Oh my Gosh.”

Peter R. DeVries:“And he wants to profit from it.”

Beth Twitty: “Oh my gosh, he has just…”

Peter R. DeVries:“Now he can abuse it.”

Beth Twitty: “Oh my gosh.”

Peter R. DeVries:“Unbelievable isn’t it.”

Beth Twitty: “Yeah. God. It’s all true. Oh my gosh. From everything. From the Holiday inn. How he got home…”

Peter R. DeVries:“He lied, everything was a lie.”

Beth Twitty: “What he did with the shoes and… Oh my gosh.”

Peter R. DeVries:“It’s a full confession.”

Beth Twitty: “He doesn’t even care, he doesn’t even care that, oh they didn’t even know if she was dead. Oh my gosh. They didn’t even know.”

Peter R. DeVries:“Did you notice how he talked about her?”

Beth Twitty: “Yeah, the don’t even know. Oh my god they could have dumped her alive in the ocean, just unconscious. I mean they don’t even know.”

Peter R. DeVries:“Maybe in coma, or…”

Beth Twitty: “They don’t even know. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Oh dear God, he didn’t even know. He is just gonna take a life. He is just gonna take a life. Just take a life, with no remorse, no worry, not even a sleepless night. I hope his hell is about to unfold. God. You know. Peter, I always thought that Joran’s life was already a living hell, but it’s about to begin! Now it’s about to begin. It’s about to begin. God. He is awfull, he is awfull. He doesn’t deserve to exist on this world, he doesn’t deserve it. He is awfull. I hope his living hell is about to begin and I hope he never gets a night sleep. He hope he never gets another moment of peace, I hope his whole entire peace is about to be disturbed beyond his belief. What he has done… Look what they have done. Look what they have done to Natalee, look what they have done to our country, look what they have done to…”

Peter R. DeVries:“To you.”

Beth Twitty: “Look what they have done. Look what they have done to Natalee. That son of a bitch.”

Peter R. DeVries:“He is saying: ‘It was not my fault. I couldn’t help it.’ But how would you describe what happened there? Do you believe that?”

Beth Twitty: “He didn’t care, he didn’t care, he didn’t care. What I wanna know is: he is just right there with here and dear god they just dispose of her body, I mean in the ocean.”

Peter R. DeVries:“He went home and went to sleep.”

Beth Twitty: “And was planning all the things he was going to do to cover himself. That’s why he got on the internet so quickly. Just what you said when he called this friend of his, Daury, he said, he know somebody to call when he got in a situation like this. What path is he on, how many women could he do this to and how many women did he potentially in his presence that could have died. Oh my god.”

Peter R. DeVries:“But it is a full confession Beth. He can’t get away with this.”

Beth Twitty: “This has to be it! This has to be it! I guess enough is enough. Enough is enough. When I think back on it. When I first got on the island, I couldn’t look on the water, I could not look out on the ocean. And I didn’t know why. But I couldn’t look at the water. I know now: it was all real you know I had this gut feeling that she was… Something seemed so evil about the water, something seemed so evil, so bad and I din’t know why, but I know why now.”

http://www.peterrdevries.com/quote-beth.htm

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THE COMPLETE INTERVIEW WITH
THE ARUBAN CHIEF PUBLIC PROSECUTOR HANS MOS

Thursday 24 January 2008

Hans Mos, the chief public prosecutor in Aruba, heads up the investigation in the case of the missing American teenager Natalee Holloway. On Thursday 24 January 2008 crime reporter Peter R. DeVries showed him the most significant shots from the undercover camera operation. The lead investigator’s response was upbeat and immediately announced the opening of a new investigation.

Peter R. DeVries: “Yes mister Mos, this seems to me what you and you’re people have been dreaming of the past few years, a confession of Joran, isn’t it?”

Hans Mos: “Yes, when you look at it, and you have shown me some material, this is very impressive, I think, when you see him explaining what really happened that night.”
   
Peter R. DeVries: “Joran has been hard as nails lieing all these years, if you hear the story”

Hans Mos: “Yes I see elements in this statement, which you can find in earlier statements, but he never gave the correct interpretation and never told the truth to us.”

Peter R. DeVries: “Isn’t it very disturbing if you see how America, Aruba and the Netherlands are under the spell of this case and now he carelessly gives an explanation in the front seat of a car.”
 
Hans Mos: “ Yes, I think so too, it makes an impression, it’s the first time he's told it to somebody, it seems. This is his real ‘coming out’ in the case we have to say. You can see how he does it, that’s why it makes an impression. And that’s indeed disturbing, the fact that he was able to say nothing for two years. And what I find even more disturbing: he suggests all kinds of things incriminating other people. People that suffered because of it until this day. We have to work this all out, but if it’s true what he says, it’s indeed disturbing.”

Peter R. DeVries: “What stands out for me in this: the fact that it is a young man, not touched emotionally by this case. He talks about it thoughtlessly and with little respect to Natalee”
 
Hans Mos: “Yes, that was… I have also watched your program with Joran and his parents, where they spoke about the way he was raised and the way he treats girls. We know from the police report that that was different. It surprises me that it has been said like this. Anyone could have known that it was different and what his intentions usually were in the weekends when he went out with those kinds of girls, mainly American tourists. The way he talks about it shows very little respect and I find that quite shocking actually.”

Peter R. DeVries: “When Joran was released recently, it has been said: he is not a suspect anymore and the investigation of him has been closed. This will re-open the investigation again, I presume?”

Hans Mos: “Yes, this gives us reason to take a closer look at this case again. Look, we have to verify a number of things. Because, that is the miserable thing about this boy, he writes… I can remember vividly the headlines of De Telegraaf [a Dutch newspaper] a year ago: “I am still lying”. Look, we find in his statements now a number of key-points which can be confirmed in the police report, but we have to be sure now. That prompts a new investigation and we will do that.”

Peter R. DeVries: “But if he has lied about this, than he maybe cleared for Natalee case, but he should be locked up for being crazy. Don’t you think?”

Hans Mos: “It seems very unlikely to me that in such a conversation, set apart from the question how to value a ‘front seat’ or ‘back seat confession’… Anyway it’s a very convincing story, also because of the way how it came together, but we have to verify some things and we have to research this. If he is lying here then he hangs himself in an incredibly stupid way and that I do not believe, because he is an intelligent boy. And we’ve already experienced that.”

Peter R. DeVries: “Are you happy with this?”

Hans Mos: “On one side yes. On the other side it’s also perplexing to see what has happened and that causes some confusion. You’re being confronted with that fact. One is happy because it seems the case has been solved. That’s something we’ve been working on for two and a half years in which time we could never actually reveal the truth. People have asked sometimes: ‘Why can’t you complete this case?’ Because we lacked forensic evidence, we didn’t have the body, there were no witnesses. One has to depend in large part on the parties involved in this situation. Of these parties he was the most important and if he keeps his mouth shut or doesn’t tell the truth, it is extremely difficult for us. Now at least the truth is surfacing and with that we can at least wrap up the case.”

http://www.peterrdevries.com/interview-mr-mos.htm



 

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The insider

- Peter R. de Vries & the key figure -

Peter R. de Vries could only solve the mysterious disappearance of Natalee Holloway thanks to a unique undercover-action which was accomplished by the Dutch-Antillean businessman Patrick van der Eem. He was the one who seduced Joran van der Sloot to a confession, which was recorded perfectly by the hidden cameras of De Vries.

- A businessman as key figure -

Patrick van der Eem (34 years old) is born on Curaçao, but also knows the island Aruba very well. He considers the Antillean islands as the most beautiful place on earth. Nowadays he lives and works successfully in the Dutch city of Arnhem, which is the same city Joran van der Sloot moved to. Patrick van der Eem is the director of Pirtek Almelo (www.pirtek.com), a franchise company which maintains and repairs hydraulic equipment. He speaks five languages fluently (English, Dutch, Papiamento, Spanish and German.)

- The meeting -

Patrick met Joran by coincidence for the first time in a casino in the area of Arnhem. From the first minute he knew that the teenager was an addict: Joran is addicted to gambling and smoking weed. Within a short period of time he won the trust of Joran, who was looking for help and support. Patrick became his friend and confident.

- Patrick & Peter R. de Vries -

In reality Patrick wasn’t Jorans best friend at all. When the businessman had the feeling that he had won Jorans trust, he approached crime reporter Peter R. de Vries. In the Netherlands it is well-known that De Vries knows how to act in these kinds of situations. They agreed that Patrick would try to get even closer to Joran, so that he might start talking about the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. A possible confession of Joran was to be recorded clearly on tape and at the same time the police investigation should not be disturbed. Because Joran and Patrick spent a lot of time together in the car, DeVries and Van der Eem decided to get a new car for Patrick and prepared it with hidden cameras.

- Confession-on-tape -

In January 2008, after Joran has just been arrested for the second time on Aruba, Patrick and Joran make five car drives together. They drive crisscross through the Netherlands and their conversations are being taped by the hidden cameras. During the third drive Joran exposes how Natalee Holloway died in his arms and how he, with the help of a friend, made her disappear forever in the ocean. After the several car drives Joran tells Patrick that he is relieved that he could finally tell somebody.

Peter R. de Vries: “Patrick is an inexperienced layman, but based on his intuition he was able to get Jorans trust in order to make him talk. He produced a unique performance, was probable thanks to the fact that he was NOT a qualified investigator or a skilled journalist. Patrick was the right man in the right place. With our unanimous cooperation we succeeded in our mission.”

Patrick van der Eem: “I don’t consider what I have done as betrayal, on the contrary.  I did this for Aruba, that suffered enormously under the effects of the mysterious disappearance. De damage Joran inflicted to the island is huge. It goes without saying that I also did this for the parents of Natalee. They finally know what happened to their child.”

http://www.peterrdevries.com/insider.htm

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Peter R. DeVries and his right hand man

Peter R. DeVries works together with a full-time reporter whom he investigated and produced almost all of his big noisemaking cases with  Kees van der Spek. Also in the affair Natalee Holloway Van der Spek had alongside DeVries a nondescript but not less important role.

- TRUSTEE OF PETER R. DE VRIES  -

Kees van der Spek (43) works together intensively with Peter R. DeVries. He has developed himself as an experienced crime reporter and creative director, a unique combination which gave him an enormous status . But above all he is the trustee / protégé of Peter R. DeVries.

Kees van der Spek maintained together with Peter R. DeVries the direct contacts with insider Patrick van der Eem, who excecuted the undercover camera operation targeted at Joran van der Sloot. He twice traveled with DeVries to Aruba and was responsible for editing the 90-minute TV-special that was broadcasted on Sunday 3rd February and became world news.

- FANTASTIC PROFESSIONAL -

Peter R. DeVries about Kees van der Spek:  “We are incredible well playing together . Half an ear is enough when we talk about a case and we are always on one line, when we are talking about possible approaches. That’s essential in this kind of draped out, long and exciting affaires. We regularly play good cop and bad cop in certain cases and that works very well. Besides that Kees is a fantastic professional and incredible director and editor. I always get the publicity and honors in these cases, but that should definitely radiate on Kees van der Spek because we do it together.”

http://www.peterrdevries.com/right-hand-man.htm

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Peter R. DeVries & Natalee Holloway: the case history

The disappearance

18-year old Natalee Holloway from Birmingham, AL, disappears on Monday night May 30, 2005 on the beach of the island of Aruba. She was together with Joran van der Sloot (17), the last known person to see her alive.

The suspicion

Joran is arrested in June 2005, but has to be released three months afterwards. The body of Natalee has never been found and there’s not enough evidence implicating Joran's guilt to keep him in custody. November 21, 2007 Joran is arrested for the second time, but is re-released two weeks later. On December 18, 2007 the investigators officially close the case. If there is no newly discovered evidence against him, Joran can live as a free man for the rest of his life.

Peter R. DeVries

Already in 2005 Peter R. DeVries receives requests to research the disappearance. In 2006 he collects some interesting tips and receives (a part of) the investigation files. He discovers that Joran most likely lied while being interrogated by the Aruban police. DeVries considers these lies incomprehensible unless Joran is really involved in the disappearance of Natalee. He decides to make a trip to Aruba together with reporter Kees van der Spek, to research the case on site.

The research in Aruba

In Aruba DeVries discovers some engaging facts that all point in the direction of Joran van der Sloot. The police also appear to have made a lot of mistakes. This puts the investigation of the case in a new perspective. Especially since Joran’s father played a questionable role in the affair..

The broadcast

26 November 2006 Peter R. DeVries broadcasts a much-discussed report on the case. He presents the facts about the investigation and unveils some shocking information. At the end of the program Peter R. DeVries rings the doorbell of Joran’s home in The Netherlands to ask his reaction on the findings. The broadcast has been repeated twice in 2007 and reached millions of viewers. In the meantime Joran presents a book about the Natalee Holloway case in which he admits his lies, but emphasizes his innocence.

The red wine

11 January 2008 Joran (in the presence of his parents) and Peter look each other in the eyes for the first time in the renowned Dutch television talk show Pauw & Witteman. Just after the show Joran suddenly throws a glass of red wine in the face of DeVries who, during the show, repeatedly confronted him with his lies. The pictures of the wine incident spread all over the world.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/case.htm
 

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HIDDEN CAMERA
The use of hidden cameras in investigative journalism is a standard by today’s practices and Peter R. DeVries is no exception.  For almost 20 years DeVries has been a pioneer in using the camera to showcase what daylight can not endure and to provide the most complete eyewitness insights possible.  Perfecting their use to the point where they are now his signature trademark.   

When Peter’s team first began, the technology was cumbersome and a “hidden camera” was little more than a camera behind a screened car window or a bag.  Thankfully electronics have progressed to the point where a camera lens is smaller than a pea. This has allowed the team to move forward and hide them in everything from baby carriages, plants, sunglasses and even button holes.
 
Due to his effective application of this new technology he has been able to obtain some of the most shocking and controversial confessions to date, making him not only a leader in journalism but also a major figure in criminal justice.

Mr. DeVries has used his ‘lens of truth’ to bring justice to several criminal organization, swindlers, blackmailers, hit men and even the police themselves. 
The latest weapon in the crime reporter’s arsenal is the use of cars loaded with the video devices in such a skillful way that the viewer feels as if he is sitting next to the person being spied upon. It was the safe surrounding of just such a car that made a man, who was accused of killing his own wife and contracted to kill some else’s, feel comfortable enough to “spill the beans” allowing Peter to alert the authorities and thwart the contract hit.

As the technology changes so too will Mr. DeVries and there can be no doubt more controversy shall follow his groundbreaking work.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/camera.htm

 

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The archives reveal that Joran lied about everything EXCEPT the segment regarding Natalee having an apparent seizure.

Please note.  It appears Joran is not too consistent regarding disposal of Natalee.  Apparently ... in one of the drives Joran claims he assisted in dumping Natalee Holloway overboard.  Where does the trap/cage fit into the Range Rover confession.  It appears to be a non-issue.

How could Peter Devries claim that his work resulted in a full confession and ... he has solved the case?

Janet

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Joran Van der Sloot
Pauw & Witteman
(Phone Interview/Grandma's house)
February 4, 2008


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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #718 2/01 -
« Reply #375 on: February 02, 2008, 01:41:46 AM »

Question: The news said tonight that it's about the news that after you made out with Natalee that you , that she got sick, and became lifeless, and that you called a friend and he came with a boat and that you went on the boat with her and that you threw her in the water , you glide her in the water.

Joran: Yes, that's what I said.

Question: Is that not very dumb of you to say that?

Joran: Yes it is very dumb, but what I'm trying to say is that I have build up a relationship with someone for 6 months, and yes, that person, it's very difficult to explain, but that person did very brave (?), and I told him what he wanted to hear.
Question: How did you know what he wanted to hear?

Joran: Well I had my suspicion a little bit, because he talked to other friends of mine, I did not have a super good feeling towards him,

Question: but then, Joran it is unbelievable dumb to just say this, if it's not true.

Joran: It's so dumb, it's so dumb, it's so dumb, it's really dumb.

Translation - Marco@RU

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2561.msg336476;topicseen#msg336476

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http://prdvtranslations.blogspot.com/

Transcript from Peter de Vries Show

February 3, 2008

Intro:

Peter R. de Vries: We know Joran has tried to downplay his confession in the media. But this broadcast will show that Joran has told our informer on numerous accounts what happened. Not just once, but on many

occasions, with days, or weeks in between. The informer, met Joran six months ago and gained his trust. 
Video

Peter R. de Vries is on the beach where Natalee was last seen "alive" by Joran. Peter was here as well last year, when he also did a show on the disappearance of Natalee. He tells how the story has always stuck with him, he never let it go and kept working on solving it ever since, until,

Peter R. de Vries:  Joran walked into our trap and told all.

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Informer (not yet identified ): I played poker with Joran, we spoke every day, we drove around in my car. (shows Joran in the car) 

Intro: "The last night" They recall the last night, as Joran has described it. They show footage of the casino security cam with Joran and Natalee. They tell about about Carlos n Charlie's, about Joran calling Satish & Deepak, how he called his dad to pick him up and that he later gets picked up by Satish and Deepak to go out again. Joran lives in a small apartment in the backyard, so no one notices he left. They go to Carlos n Charlies. The American students are there already, quite drunk. Natalee "seduces" Joran for a jello shot. It's 1:00 AM as Natalee leaves with Joran. They see fellow students on the way out. They leave in the Honda. They show the security cam footage of their car leaving. They tell how Joran was arrested, as was Paul. Paul was arrested on suspicion of helping dispose of the body. They say how all the first statements matched up (Joran's Satish and Deepak), that they left Natalee at the Holiday Inn. How police soon found out it was a concocted story. At first people believed this was "a white lie," the guys made up to get off the hook easy. Peter doubted this from the beginning and says: "If you know she's fine, why lie? Unless you know Natalee will never return to confront you with your lies."
They tell how Joran says they walked the beach and "fondled" a bit. Joran put his shoes on the beach. After a while Joran wants to leave, but Natalee doesn't. Joran says he leaves Natalee on the beach and Deepak picks him up. Deepak later says he never picked Joran up. Chat & SMS (phone text) messages confirm Joran is lying (Hey Swa, I'm home... why send that message to Deepak if he just dropped him off?). Joran checks MSN and he also downloads two porn movies. They talk about the shoes: What happened to his shoes? He says he left them, but they were never found. Were they really lost, or were they disposed od, because they could maybe link Joran to a crime? 

Peter R. de Vries:  When I first heard the story I could imagine him losing his shoes, but now that I'm on the scene, I can see its hard to believe losing your shoes on this beach, as its all very close by. So, did he lose them, or is something else going on?
Intro (continues): Six months ago, Peter got a great chance. Patrick van der Eem., an Aruban guy, who lives in Holland and who is an entrepreneur, met Joran in a casino. He saw Joran there and spoke to Joran because he's from Aruba as well. They became friends and he made Joran believe they could be partners in crime. Joran was smoking lots a weed in those days. Patrick made Joran believe he was selling and growing weed, which Joran found intriguing. Patrick gained Joran's trust because he never asked about the case from the start. "I don't care,"  I said,  "What's done is done". Joran wanted to tell me but I kept holding it off. I kept saying "I can't keep it to myself right now, I'm not ready to hear the story," but Joran kept insisting he'd tell me". I know I betrayed Joran, but Joran is not important. Natalee's family is, that's how I can keep a clear conscience. Joran keeps hinting to Patrick that he knows more about the case. Patrick keeps holding Joran off, saying he's not ready for the story, but he also contacts Peter R. de Vries, saying he might have something. Together they make a plan. Joran wants to do some petty crimes to make quick cash. Joran looks up to Patrick, who he thinks is a big-time grower and dealer.

Patrick: I went with a friend one night to the casino and saw Joran sitting at the poker table, and greeted him. there was immediately an excellent contact between us. The contact grew. I sought the manner to attract him to me. That succeeded through Joran's interest in weed. I had the feeling he wanted to tell me the story.  I let the boy go, it did not uplift me, he wanted to tell it. there are greater interests than joran. mother holloway has a right to know what happened to her daughter. it did not feel like betrayal. 

Peter R. de Vries: How did you meet Joran? 

Patrick:  I met him in a casino in Arnhem, I registered myself at a poker table, I saw Joran sitting at the table, I am from the Antillen, so I thought, "I'll just say 'Hi' to him".  And I said: "Hey Joran, matong,  how is it?" I said that to Joran, in jest. "Matong" means murderer. He saw that I meant it in a friendly way, then I went to smoke a cigarette and from that moment on, he came directly towards me. Immediately, there was a very good contact between us;

Peter R. de Vries: How did you represent yourself towards him?  What kind of impression did he get from you?
 
Patrick:  Um, that grew, at a certain point, I had more contact with him. I was searching for a way to really draw him closer to me. Because he smoked so much weed, every day, I thought by myself, "I'm going to tell him that I have a weed nursery, that that's how I make my living."  He thought that was very impressive. That's how the relationship began. The boy got more and more trust in me, and I had the feeling that there will be a day that he wants unload on me. 

Peter R. de Vries: How did it happen that Joran trusted you so much? 

Patrick:  I think the fact that I did not show any interest in the case helped a lot. A lot of people came up to him ask him,  "Did you do it?"  I did not do that, and I knew that's not the way to go, I told him it does not interest me, what's been done is done, it does not fascinate me. But he constantly wanted to tell me
more and more, I told him, wait I can't keep this by my self, just be patient and wait. 
Peter R. de Vries: You pretended to be Joran's friend, Joran even would tell you,  "There are only two people on this earth that I really trust, one of them is you." When you hear something like that, does it feel like betrayal? Because you know you're busy with something totally different. 

Patrick:  Yes, that's right, but I shielded myself from that, I did not want those emotions, when I think of that girl, she's gone, than it's very simple not to have those emotions. There are many more important things than Mr. Joran van der Sloot. The mother of Natalee, of course, she deserves an honest answer what happened to her daughter.  That's what brought me to have no emotions towards this boy, I don't see it as a betrayal.

Peter R. de Vries: Joran himself has lied to half the world, so a little half lie from you on top of it, is not that bad, now is it?
 
Patrick:  Yes, who throws the ball can expect it back.
 
They want to make the first move on november 22nd, but on wednesday nov. 21 the day before Patrick is supposed to ask Joran about the case, Joran is re-arrested... They later learn that this arrest will turn out to be very helpful (because it's now a reason to bring the subject up without attracting attention from Joran). During the last arrest, Joran remains silent, so 2,5 weeks later Joran is free again. The Aruban DA closes the case, for now. Joran no longer a suspect. The relation with Patrick is so good, that Joran contacts him from Aruba a few days after getting out of jail. They (Peter R de Vries group) have now installed cameras everywhere.
 
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Joran on the phone from Aruba, Patrick is in the car (in Holland):

Joran:  They had nothin', I laughed at the police. 

Patrick: You want some weed? I can get it for you (in Aruba) from Holland, I got good connections.
After being released, Joran stays with his parents in Aruba for a month. But he returns to Holland on Jan 9th 2008. Patrick now has a great reason to bring up the Natalee Holloway case with Joran. They show how they prepare the car, 3 camera's, GPS tracking system, its a Range Rover. They also use some extra cars to follow Joran...
 
Day one, January tenth
 
Patrick picks Joran up in his car. Joran got into a fight about a gambling debt a day or so before. Joran is bragging about the fight he had with someone in the Holiday Inn in the casino. His father has already arranged for a settlement. Joran is talking about his father 'arranging' his release.
They chitchat about random stuff... Joran says he is no longer is a suspect. The DA knows he'll lose if he goes to trial with what he has now. And that they can never touch Joran then (because he cant be tried twice for the same case)...

Joran:  I didn't say shit. They have nothing on me anymore. Even if they find her body with my sperm in it, they can't do shit. they're f***ing idiots.   Not even if they find the girl, dead, with my sperm in her. (Al vinden ze dat meisje dood met mijn sperma er in). I just laughed [at the police], I didn't say one word. I didn't even say "I remain silent"... I just kept my mouth shut. Even in court. Nothing. I kept my mouth closed." "

Even the judge said he thinks I know more. 
We are going to get a big compensation according to my dad.
 
Joran keeps talking about suing everyone for damages. He says they want to go to the Pauw & Witteman show. His dad told him that would be good, for if they want to sue in Aruba for damages (I guess because they can then say: look at us, we even had to go on national television to tell everyone Joran is innocent). Joran is sure hell get loads of compensation money for being held in jail. Joran tells how he was arrested in Holland:

Joran:  I was laughing at the police. I was stoned man.
 
About Satish & Deepak: "I know them, they had a nice Honda Civic. I had known them for about 8 months. They never went out to bars, but they had a nice car, so I got them to go. We went out every weekend, they never picked up a girl, I got a new girl almost every week... 

Patrick:  Is she findable?  (Is zij ooit nog te vinden?)

Joran: No, never. i don't even know where her body is. (Nee, nooit niet. Ik weet ook niet precies waar haar lichaam is). 

Patrick: Will they ever find her? Where the hell is she, Joran? 

Joran: They'll never find her, I don't know where she is. never to be found again.
Joran says he doesnt know where she is, because its up to higher sources. 

Patrick:  A higher power?

Joran: Yes, powers. I'm done with it. I'm just waiting for the claims.  This will turn out good for me, after the last arrest I'll get major compensation for damages (because they haven't got a case, but I spent time in jail.
 
Peter R de Vries: Though this isn't a straight up confession, it does show he knows Natalee will never be found.
 
Note: this was the day before the Pauw & Witteman show (wine throwing incident)! 

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They show the wine throwing clip...
 
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They show the wine throwing clip on Oprah... 

Two days after the Pauw & Witteman show, after Joran's parents got back to Aruba, Patrick & Joran meet again. Joran is talking about the wine throwing.

Joran: It was not aggresive. The show wasn't worth the 5000 euro we got.. 

Joran says he knew Natalee for 2 days. They spend 3.5 hours together, in total. 

Joran: I can prove I was home half an hour after I left her. 

Patrick: Why did Deepak lie?

Joran: I know why, because he's afraid to get arrested again, if he changes his story again.

Patrick: What happened? I'm from aruba, I know the beach. She's dead right? 

Joran: I know what happened to her.

Patrick: Is she dead? 

Joran: Yes. I just was lucky, that's it. Something happened there. The ocean is big. I was very lucky they
didn't find her. 

Joran: I dont think they can get me for this ever.  She is in the ocean. 

Patrick: did you swim? 

Joran: No. I knew people who could help me, but I dont want to name them. She will not be found 

Patrick: Did you put her in the sea, alone? 

Joran:  Yes 

Patrick:  Nobody helped? 

Joran:  Somebody, who I trust, I am not giving his name, not my parents, somebody I trust

Joran:  Something happened, I didn't kill her, the ocean is big, right? I got very lucky they never found her (no body no case). I think I'm in the clear, they won't find a body. Let me tell you, I never talked about this to anyone. They dumped her in the ocean. I know people who could help me, I'm not naming names. It's not my parents, it was a friend, with a boat.
 
This friend was an older friend, we have been friends for a long time. I will never name his name, never, I'll take it with me in my grave. I called him, not on my cellphone, but I walked to the payphone. I said "Please, no police, come and help me." He came. Natalee still looked normal, because she had just died. "He said, go home, I'll take care of it. (I will arrange the rest)" I would give my life for him. He's great. I have never told this before, it is a relief.  I never told anyone. Natalee told me she had a rich family, but I never imagined this shit would happen man. 

Patrick:  Did you swim out?' 

Joran:  I know people there (Aruba) too. Someone helped me.. I'm not saying who..

Patrick: Why would he do that for you?

Joran: I know him, have known him for years, he had a boat... I'll never name his name." 

Patrick: This guy, that helped you. He's gold... I'm going to help him financially.  You didn't know she was a friend of the Bushes? 

Joran: Yeah, those fuckers, she told me she was rich, but that I didn't know." 

Joran: The two people I trust most are the guy with the boat, and you.
Patrick 'feeds' Joran a bit, saying that he would help Joran make some money, so Joran can give it to the guy who helped him. Joran says something like "I owe him my life". Joran does seem relieved he finally told someone and got it off his chest. Now that Joran confessed to Patrick, Patrick can ask about the case some more..

Patrick: How do you know she was dead Joran?

Joran  I lifted her, I touched her, she was dead, I tried everything. I knew these some guys from way back, this one guy helped me. I was scared he would talk, but I got something on him as well, so he might talk, but I dont think he will. The guy now lives in Holland. 

Patrick:  How did you know she died? 

Joran: I just knew. 

Patrick: Did you try CPR? 

Joran: I tried everything, I pulled her up 

Joran: Of course,  I'm afraid that friend is going to talk, but I also have something on him.  He doesnt live on Aruba anymore.

Peter R de Vries: Joran went home to cover himself, make an alibi: MSN, porn downloading.. 

Patrick:  How did you know that she was dead, Joran? 

Joran:  I just know. 

Patrick:  How did you see that than? Did you feel her pulse? Did it happen in one time? 

Joran:   I just.. I touched it, there was nothing.  It was finished. 

Patrick:  Did you try to revive her?

Joran:  I tried everything, I lifted her up, 

Patrick:  You know, I don't understand one thing, okay, she's there, dead yes?  Your friend, yes?

Joran:  Patrick, we had a group of boys on Aruba, we had a lot of contact, we have known each other since we where little, And those boys, to this day, they still call me every now and then, but they don't have much money, 

Patrick:  Are you not afraid that the dude will talk? 

Joran:  Patrick, if that boy..  Of course, I'm afraid of that.  But I have something on him, Patrick, I also have something on him.  He knows perfectly clear 

Patrick:  Why did he do it this way?  Does he have a boat himself? 

Joran: Yes, of course. 

Patrick:  What's the name of the f***ing boat? 

Joran:   I can't justify it, not to him, you will not hear anything coming from my mouth. In any case, he does not live on Aruba anymore. 

Patrick:  Does he live in Holland? 

Joran:  Yes. 

Patrick:  But what about your father? When you came home?  He noticed nothing different about you? 

Joran:   My father was asleep. It was 3:00 am or 4:00 am.  It happened around 2:00 am. I was home around 3:00am, 2:30 am. And at 2:30 am I went directly to the computer. I was only with the girl for about 2 1/2 hours. I did not meet her during daytime, we did things together. You can't kill someone in 2 1/2 hours and do something with it. Everyone knows this, it's not possible. You have to a be a professional, eh,   I have lived on Aruba for 18 years, you know this, 

Patrick:  Of course you know people. What you asked of this person 

Joran:   I did not ask.

Patrick:  You did not ask?  He offered? 

Joran:   He offered. And he saw me there.  And he knew I was was going to go to America, 

Patrick:   He wanted to save you.
 
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Joran:  I didn't ask the guy to help me. I called. He came and saw me there on the beach, and he offered to help me. He was twenty-five then. He knew about me, how I was going to the US (Florida soccer scholarship), so he wanted to help me.
 
In the beginning I played it very smart, because I knew they couldn't find her. Well that, and I was so lucky, because they never even questioned this guy. The guy has his boating license, I don't know how he dumped her. He says he just dumped her off the boat. I was so lucky they never found her. I just went home and slept, that night.
 
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Joran:  He thought,  and he could not have known how it was going to go.  Later on in Holland, I did talk to him about it, I have sat with him for evenings. 

Patrick:   How old is he? About as old as you? 

Joran:  No, twenty-five.  You know what's the most bizarre? 

Patrick:   But they never arrested him. 

Joran:  This is so bizarre.  Throughout everything, you know. But you know , I played a good game in the beginning.  Because in the beginning I thought, I will tell them what they want.  Because if there's no evidence against me, then,  they can't screw me, in the end, they have nothing,   But, they never questioned him.  They did everything, but this boy... I have had so much luck, unbelievable. 

Patrick:   But how far did he bring her then? This boy must have done a really good job. But how far?  Does he ship often, does he know a lot about boats, what does he know about the ocean? 

Joran:  He has his own boat licence. 

Patrick:  Yes, a license, the boy really knows what's he doing. Did he make her heavy to let her sink? 

Joran:  No, I don't think so. 

Patrick:  You don't know?  He never told you how he did it? 

Joran:  Of course he did. 

Patrick:   How then? 

Joran:  He just went into the ocean. farther away.   Then he dumped her. 

Patrick:   You really have been lucky, you know that.  No shit, you where very lucky. 

Joran:  I say that also. 

Patrick:   Real lucky.  That he was so stupid, that he did it that way, you know. You have a gigantic angle (weight) hanging above you head. 

Joran:   That evening I slept normally. I went home that evening, and went to my bed. 

Patrick:   What's his name? 
Joran:  Daury 

Patrick:  Daury what?   Is he Dutch? 

Joran:  No, well, yes. Half Dutch, half Arubaans. Dutch mother, or something like that. 

Joran: The first time in jail, I said dad, I need a phone".  He such an idiot, bought me a phone, but forgot to buy a lot of credit. There was only 10 guilders on it. 
Note: Joran also told this in his book, but then he didn't mention his dad brought it in. 

Peter R. de Vries:  We spent a few days with Joran, but we needed some more info, we asked Patrick to ask Joran to tell him the story once more, just to be clear". 

Joran:  So yes, those bitches just ask us, will you go out with us tonight? Will you go to Carlos 'n Charlie, the bar, tonight? And I said, "Yes, that's fine". And they've been drinking for a long time. And those girls where also taking coke. Because I know "Boetie" on Aruba, they went to him and get it. That's possible, I know that. And, eh, so then, No, I have to go to school the next day. And the girl, Please, you know. I said: I know she wants to f***, I just know it. 

Patrick:  Which girl? 

Joran:  A friend of that Natalee. Not even Natalee herself, you know. I then called Deepak and Satish, they have the car you know, and I said to those girls, okay, I'll see you there. So we went to Carlos 'n Charlie. I went there, and see this big group of good looking bitches. And I see this good looking chick, and I start talking to her. I did not even fall for Natalee, Patrick. So I talk to her, and she said to me, " No, no, you know what? That girl has a 'shotgun' on you." I asked her, "A shotgun on me?" She said, "Yes, go and dance with her." So I walk over to the bar. They where already talking about me. The girl said, "Come and dance with me, come and dance." And I told her, "No, I'm not going to dance on top of that stage. Come down, we'll talk." I thought, "I'll go and drink with Deepak and Satish." So I got a drink at the bar. Then she came down, down from the bar. She came to me. 

Patrick: Who? 

Joran: Natalee, "Come, take a jelly shot from me." The whore jumped on the bar and wanted me to take a shot out of her belly button. I did that. ha ha. Then she said I had to buy her a drink. I told her,  "Do what you what. What do you want?" I tell her, "One shot of bacardi 151." (she says)"Ok, good." She got her shot, she takes it, and ooh, she took it in one time, whoop bam, 151 proof.  One fifty-one proof, that's, seventy-five percent alcohol. Then she asked for a chaser. I had a yard in my hand, a long drink, she took that from me, and she drank some of that, I see also, she's drunk, Patrick, really drunk, But, I thought, "I'll just take the girl for a little while and f*** her". Then I said, "What do you want to do? Do you want to go to the hotel?" I thought, "I'll just take her to the hotel, that's the best." She said,  "No no, I don't want to go to my own hotel." I said,  "Ok; what do you want to do?" She said,  "I want to see the sharks." I'm not bullshitting you Patrick.

Patrick: No, no Joran, I've told you before, You already told me before, you know. 

Joran:  Some people are strange. She said,  "I want to see the sharks." I told the boys, "I want to go somewhere with her by myself," but, she does not want to go back to the hotel. I also wanted to do a little what she wanted, that's only right. So I told them, "Drop us off at the beach, I'll f*** her, and I'll bring her to the hotel later.". So they dropped me of at the beach. 

Patrick: Where, by those things? 

Joran: By the corner, by the Marriot, between the Marriott and the fisherman's hut. There is a road. I get out and walk with her on the beach. I begin to kiss her and such, but she does not look too good. Shit man, but she also looked good, but she wanted (it), she really wanted (it). So I kissed her and fingered her, she has her hand in my pants, and so on, and all of a sudden Patrick, like in a movie what she did. Shaking, yes, very bad. So I was like, "Shit, what is this?" 

Patrick: What did you do then? 

Joran: I stayed with her, and there was nobody there, Patrick, nobody. 

Patrick: Of course, no one is there, it's night time Joran. 

Joran: And um, yeah, I talk to her, talk to her, talk with her, she's not talking, 

Patrick: How long did she shake then? Do you know what it is? 
Joran: I don't know. 

Patrick: An epileptic episode, or something, man. She was shaking and foam also, from her mouth? 

Joran: No, no foam from her mouth. Not that I saw. Then I panicked. I think, "Nobody even knows you're out of the house." I just left the house, you know, so I'm thinking, "What do I have to do? What do I have to do?" Look, there are not a lot of people I trust, but this is a boy, I also have something on him. I can't say, he owes me. That's too much. But I told him, I have a problem. And I know if he would have told me,  "I can't help you, you have to take care of this yourself"  Then he also would not have talked. Maybe, yes, but I don't know. But, I also know what this person is like. And um I told Daury, Something bad has happened, something bad. 

Patrick: Where did you talk to him? 

Joran:  The payphone, from the Marriott hotel, 

Patrick: In the lobby? 

Joran:  No outside by the pool. I always sit there. 

Patrick: Did you just leave her there? 

Joran:  I left her there. 
He can't think of the right word to describe where he left her. Patrick and Joran talk back and forward about the location. 

Joran:  So I picked her up and put her by the mangrove things. And I told him, "You need to come here." Because he lives by himself, he does not do all that shit, sometimes he takes a bitch and fucks here, but he lives alone, always. That's the way it should be, so he says. So he gets there, and he says, "Joran what did you do? (Then the friend says,) "But she looks so sweet, you know." She just lays there, she does not do anything. He asks me, "What happened?"... "I don't know," I tell him, 

Patrick:  Did you try to reanimeren (resuscitate) her? 

Joran:  Of course, I did.  I tried to shake her.  I was shaking the bitch, I was almost crying, "Why does shit like this happen to me?" I said to him, "This is not possible." 

Patrick:  What time was this? 

Joran:  Two thirty, two o'clock.. He said to me,  "This is a big problem". But he has his own boat there on Aruba. He works for Banana Boats, fun boats. Where you can sit on. 

Patrick:  Ah, those fun things, where you can sit on a banana all together 

Joran: Yes. But then he has his own boat but he works for one of these people. 

Joran: That is sort of his cover-work. 

Patrick:  That is good, you have to do something, earn some money.  He is doing great then, he is not dumb. 

Joran:  No he isn't dumb, he was sitting there and he said, "Joran you also know, I would not do this myself, but this is going to be a huge problem."  He said, "No matter what, no matter what, you are going to get blamed for this."  And I said, "Yes." I said, "Yes, I don't know also, I don't know what I have to do, I cannot go to the police, I cannot solve this." His boat was standing there by the pier, and I knew that also, you know, and he told me, then help me for a while, so we have taken to the boat 

Patrick:  Lifted her up. 

Joran: Yes, the two of us just quickly. 

Patrick:   And nobody saw you then either? 

Joran:  Nobody. 

Patrick:  Yes, but it is near the Marriott, these boats there? 

Joran: Yes, but there is nobody, Nobody pays attention, you are walking there in the dark.  Even if you walk there with someone they think you are playing. 

Patrick:  Probably think someone is drunk. 

Joran:  They do not pay attention at all.  He said to me, what did he say to me, umm, when we were there he said to me, "You do have to go to school tomorrow and stuff.  Because, if there is a missing girl then, umm".

Patrick:  He's smart, Joran. 

Joran: I knew these things too. I said, "You're so right. I just have to do normal things. And on top of that I'm going to the casino to make sure I am on camera and stuff," and he said, "Ok that is fine." 

Joran:  So, I went home. 

Patrick:  How did you get home, then? 

Joran:  I just walked, what do you think, he had to.... 

Patrick:  How long a walk is that then? 

Joran:  Fifteen or so, and the shoe thing is all BS Patrick. 

Patrick:  Does he have your shoes? 

Joran:  No.  These shoes I have thrown them away, I have thrown them away myself. On the way to there... on the way to home... 

Patrick: You just took them off. 

Joran: No, on the way to there, you have these puts (drains or manholes)... 

Patrick: Riolering (storm drains) or something. 

Joran: Yes. 

Patrick:  Ok, but, you walk home and he sails (varen) out straight away? 

Joran:  He sails out straight away.  From what he told me, from what he told me, I think he did not even went out two kilometers or so. He told me he just took the boat, went far, threw her out, and came back. Put the boat back, and he then came to visit me at home. And we talked for some time. 

Patrick: That night? 

Joran:  Yes, he came and he told me, "You know, all is arranged.  She is going to be missing. They will go search, but they will not know a thing, they will not know a thing."  He said, "Maybe they will come to you," then I said, "You know, we have to talk this through, arrange this good." I told him, "Like, I'm with
you."  We both, of course, were a little nervous. 

Patrick:  Yes. 

Joran: You know it isn't something small you know, we both had something like...we also had done things together before, therefore I knew when I, when I had to to call someone I had to call him. 

Patrick:  Yes. 

Joran:  And that he would do this for me, but... 
Patrick: Yes. 

Joran: But at that moment, you know, it had to be, it had to be good, if the police would come to me for the disappearance of the girl, because they had seen me leaving with the girl at Carlos n Charlie. These boys, they know.  Ok they have just dropped me off. They don't know anything further. 

Patrick:  Deepak and Satish. 
Joran:  Dumb boys, Patrick, they are not even worth it. 

Patrick:  I figured that already. 

Patrick: They dropped you off. 

Joran:  Imagine how "conjo" I had to be to have them to say they had dropped me of at the hotel. That messed things up truly, that messed things up. 

Patrick:  But, of course. 

Joran:  So I told him, but if the police comes, Deepak and Satish have dropped me off at the beach there, so I will have to talk with them also.  Then he/they said, "Yes, that is true." 

Patrick: So you never told these two anything? 
Joran:  Never, never, never.  You looking back, I did not think that this shit would be so much... 

Patrick: No indeed, you had some bad luck with that, that it got such a f***ing huge media hype. 

Joran: But now I can abuse that too (laughs). You don't have a smoke? 

Patrick: Yes, I have a smoke.
 
Patrick:  Hey drove off last night, but you had no pot anymore, or did you? 

Joran:  No, but I was stoned, so no problem. 

Patrick: Ok, so that was that, or wasn't it? 

Joran:  Patrick boy, I have just spend two hours with her, Patrick! 

Patrick:  But, you were fingering her, and then bam within it was finished? 

Joran:  I was fingering her, and talking, just talking with her, and I wanted her to suck my dick, I just wanted to say that, and then at once, finish.
 
Patrick:  What did she do, shaking?
 
Joran:  And these police officers you know, during these investigations they give you so much information about what they know eh, they want to throw it all on the table, but they know shit, ok, if that is how you say it is, then it is like that. 

Joran:  Oh, and when I was leaving there you know, I even sms'd my girlfriends, "Hey darling, see you tomorrow." Patrick, I did not have a bad feeling about it at all, I did not lose one night sleep over it, I thought,  "It goes on, I have to go on. I have to look good," then, "They cannot do anything to me." And, that is how it went also. 

Patrick: Joran, it is finished ok, but eh Daury, do you even speak with him? 
Joran: Yes, I speak with him at times.
 
Patrick:  Often?
 
Joran:  No.
 
Patrick: How do you talk with him, by phone?
 
Joran:  No, by internet.
 
Patrick:  But, Joran about this?
 
Joran: No, no no, about this, we only talk when we are together.
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Video

Peter R de Vries: Ok, nice story, but was this what happened? Joran seems to trust Patrick fully. He might have lied about the cause of death. Sometimes, I thought he was getting mixed up about his helper from that night. One day he says "I will never say his name". the next he says, "It's Daury. The day after, he's an older guy, then he's twenty-five. To not disturbe the police work in any way, we didnt investigate this Daury guy at Aruba, we leave that up to the Aruban Police Department. 
Some questions remain, so Patrick goes out with Joran for the last time, to get answers: Why did Joran continue lying to the police and did he know she was dead? "

Patrick: How did you know she was dead?

Joran: She didn't move anymore.

Patrick: And Daury, did he check?

Joran: Yeah, he stood over her and looked at her.

Patrick: That's it? What if she was in coma?"

Joran: Uh...I don't know. I didn't know [if she was dead], she could have been in a coma, I didn't feel her, but it didn't look good. I didn't know fuckin sure she was dead. Daury looked at her and said she was dead. He just looked at her and said, she's dead. Could've been a coma" 

Note: He talks about the Deepak and Satish pickup story.

Joran:  After two weeks, I just remained silent to the police. I just said once that Deepak picked me up, afterward I remained silent, so that still stands. 

Patrick:  Why did you make up that story?  Because Deepak and Satish are together, you are alone? (note: so two against one) 

Joran:  Well, it's just disinformation, I can advise anyone, "Never talk to the police". The smartest thing I did was call from the hotel, because they (the police) only got my call to Deepak. So then they said: he (Deepak) was at home, so I just said "well, I meant Satish." 

Joran smirks...
 
Video

Peter R. de Vries: "Joran was walking home and dumped his shoes." Peter is sitting next to a sewer. "Maybe they're even in one of these drains. The walk home takes longer than Joran is telling us, so maybe he's still protecting someone who picked him up (implying his dad might have picked him up)

Video
 
Peter is now at the crime scene, showing where it happened. 
Peter R. de Vries:  It was here on the beach, not near the fishermans huts (points). Those were the bushes where Joran hid Natalee while calling his friend. And this is the payphone he was talking about. We confirmed its quiet here at three am. And the story about the banana boat matches, theres plenty of those here (points). So, Joran's story matches up for these things.
 
Video

Peter shows the tape to Hans Mos.
 
Mos:  This is very impressive, as you look at how he tells what happened. I see some elements in this confession, which I recognize from earlier statements. I see that this is the first time he tells anyone, kind of like his coming out, which is impressive, because he kept quiet for two and a half years. I have seen the previous shows where Joran's parents tell about Joran being almost saint-like. We already knew this was false, and this tape proves that, of course. We have to verify this story, because it's still Joran, and he lies a lot.  We will reopen the case, but we will have to research some more. It seems highly unlikele that he made this up. We want to verify this story. I can't imagine he's lying now, because he is a smart guy, and lying in this case would ruin everything for him, he would "hang himself" (figure of speech, meaning no one would ever trust him again if he would make this story up).

Video

Peter called Beth, asked her to come to Holland. They show the phone call, he tells here he's at Aruba doing investigations and asks her to speak confidentially. He tells her they have a major breakthrough and asks her to come to Holland. January thirty-first, she arrives. Beth is "excited and anxious". Peter just shows her the undercover footage, with subtitles. Beth just watches in shock. She watches as Joran tells that Natalee started shaking... that he didn't lose a night's sleep...
Beth: You got it all. You got every bit of it. That son of a bitch. He doesn't even know if she was dead or not, oh my gosh. oh my gosh. It's all true. Oh my gosh, from everything, from the Holiday Inn, the shoes, oh my gosh. He doesn't even care, he doesn't even care, oh dear god, they don't even know if she was dead, they don't even know. Oh dear god they could've just dumped her alive in the ocean, they don't even know, oh my gosh, oh my gosh, oh my gosh. Oh dear god, he didn't even know. Just took a life, with no remorese, no worry, not even a sleepless night, I always thought that Joran's life was already a living hell, but it is about to begin. He is awful. He doesn't deserve his place in this world, he's awful. I hope his living hell is about to begin. I hope he never gets a moment of peace, I hope his whole entire peace is about to be disturbed. Look what they've done, look what they've done to Natalee, look what they've done to our country, look what they've done.. Look what they've done to Natalee. That son of a bitch. He didn't care, what i want to know is: he's right there with her, dear God, they just disposed of her body, there in the ocean, He did all the things to cover it up, he went on the internet, he knew who to call if he ever got in a situation like this. How many women could he have done this to. Oh my gosh. Oh my god. This has to be it. This has to be it. I guess enough is enough. When I think back on it, when U first got to Aruba, I couldn't look at the ocean, and I didn't know why, but I couldn't look at the water. I guess I had this gut feeling she was... something seemed so evil about the water... I know why now..."
 
Video:
 
Peter R. de Vries:  So, Joran, who's gonna have to apologize now (reference to the Pauw & witteman show, where Joran asked Peter for an apology twice). You can start with apologizing to the whole world, Joran. And of course you will say you made it all up, "to make a good impression with Patrick". But, you'll never make a good impression to anyone in the world by telling you dumped a harmless girl in the ocean. The only reason to ever tell a story like this, is if its true.

They show a mail from Paul vd sloot, which says he never brought a phone to jail

http://jlbworld.com/files/transcripts/devrieswidefeb3.htm


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Pauw and Witteman
January 11, 2008 
 
(translated from Dutch)
 
Pauw: It is Friday, January 11, the day on which Joran van der Sloot, for the first time since his release, is telling his story Welcome to Pauw and Witteman.

Witteman: Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Yes, Joran van der Sloot was brought back to Aruba at the end of November to be interrogated. That interrogation did not produce anything.  He was let go and the case was seponed.

Pauw: Joran is here, together with his father Paul, and his mother Anita, for as they themselves say, their last TV interview about this case.

Witteman: Here as well is Peter R. de Vries, who has made a television documentary about the Natalee Holloway case and the role Joran van der Sloot played, and who has his doubts. He has called Joran a liar in that documentary, so there is something to be discussed.

Pauw:  Yes, well... confess now, so we are done with this.  Is it jokes you hear the most? Or what are you bothered with more, Joran?

Joran: Well, I’m not really bothered by others.  But you have to keep making jokes, as you just said yourself, else you don’t get through all this.

Pauw: Do you and your parents have the feeling that the whole matter is over now, or do you still have the feeling that if you hear a siren somewhere, that could be for me?

Joran: Well,  not really like that, but it’s something that you’ll never forget. It’s something… it sticks with you all the time. You best just keep going on but it’s something you won’t easily forget. But I think in the judicial sense, it is over now, yes.

Pauw: Are you addressed about this often?

Paul: No, actually not that much.  I’m not addressed about this often. Every day life continues to go it’s normal way. And the people in Aruba have had it with this.

Witteman: Yes, had it with this, but do they believe you?

Paul: I think so.

Witteman: So if you walk the streets you don’t think: "Oh, they look at me, as the father of a murderer, or some other creep"?

Paul: No, I don’t have that feeling at all. No, on the contrary it's very remarkable... such a small community as Aruba is, and as it has had very much negative effects because of all this... that they kept being supportive towards us. That has truly surprised us and it has strengthened our hearts as well. (Unintelligible)

Witteman: Were you bothered by it?

Anita: Well, I wasn’t bothered by it so much. You know that there is talk, I mean in every community, there is talk about what has happened. Actually, it was more like the people, they were very supportive. Neighbors, people you didn’t know at all, that still came to you.  We lived on Aruba for almost twenty years, and people know Joran from the time he was very small.  They saw Paul or me pushing the pram. And a former teacher of his that came by who said: "Well this can not at all be possible. Such a sweet kid." So that you felt as if this story must have had a different cause. Something else is going on.  And the support… well it sounds very strange but, it was very big. Really very big.

Witteman: Well, now the case is seponed, in the judicial sense over with, is that the reason you agreed to sit at the table with Peter R. de Vries?

Paul: Well yes we have always said that, as soon as this case us no longer in court. when the OM is no longer prosecuting it, we are willing to give another interview, on a reliable TV show.  To show we have nothing to hide. And it is so, that all this publicity has had a very big impact on this case. It has even at some point taken over it. We thought that as long as this case is going on, it was not right to get in the spotlight. However at some times it was necessary, because we didn’t want to frustrate this investigation in any way.

Witteman: Yes, well Peter R. de Vries is here. He’s tried to contact you before, on Aruba as well.  We’ll show a little clip of how that went.
 
(Video shown from Nov 26, 2006 DeVries program, of DeVries confronting Joran in the Netherlands, with Joran's fabricated photo of him with Natalee)
 
Pauw: Well there were, before we started this show, some jokes made at this table like: "Well Peter, where’s your hidden camera".  Well that hidden camera is not here right now. Peter, you have tried to get in contact with the Van der Sloot family a couple of times for interviews.  So you didn’t just walk behind them with your hidden camera. Do you understand something of the answer of Paul van der Sloot?

Peter de Vries: No, to be honest, I don’t understand very much of that. I think it is rather amazing, I hear him say here, he has nothing to hide, and he didn’t want to further frustrate the investigation. But than I conclude that they also did nothing to help the investigation. Because Joran van der Sloot has... when he was at Aruba in the last weeks, and could explain all his conduct, maybe could end the mysteries, maybe could shed some light on that...  he has for weeks kept his mouth completely shut. Has not spoken a word, not answered one question!  That I cannot reconcile with what Paul says , the beautiful comment "We have nothing to hide". Then I  think, if you are innocent, and you did nothing wrong, why don’t you just tell your story, why don’t you answer questions from the police? The fact that you keep your jaws shut in those circumstances, I find that very strange.

Pauw: Let’s agree that somewhat later in this show, on this question... this is one of your questions, but you have more of them...  get answers from Joran or his father or mother.  But first we…

Peter: Yes, just give him some time to think.

Pauw: Yes. So you have time to find the ‘right’ answer.  But first, before we talk about this whole matter, let’s give the people at home a small summary of what has all happened, as much as is known. 

(Video shown summarizing the case)
 
Witteman: Were you surprised that you were re-arrested?

Joran: Yes, off course. I hadn’t expected that at all.  I thought they were kidding me, when the police arrived at the door… telling me "You’re under arrest again. Because yes, I knew they could have nothing on me. So why would they again….

Witteman: Well, it was said that there were new facts, so there were new grounds to arrest you again, and take you to Aruba to interrogate you.

Joran: Yes, but I knew that would be impossible. That, that…

Witteman: But what than did you think… if it was impossible, what would be the reason they arrested you again?

Joran: Well I don’t know. Maybe I thought somebody has given a false statement against me, or something bad was said about me. I don’t know, something like that, that’s what I thought.  In that direction. maybe something like that.

Witteman: And what did it turn out to be? Because, you got there, you were interrogated…

Joran: Well, there turned out to be absolutely nothing. No new evidence at all. Just old statements that they looked at in a different way.

Witteman: How did the interrogation go?

Joran: Well, just as Mr. De Vries said, I just kept silent. I didn’t say anything.

Witteman: Why not?

Joran: I don’t have any trust anymore in the OM at Aruba. I think that they, they are not trying to find the truth, or trying to find out what happened in this case. They are just literally doing…. they just want somebody to hang for this, they just want somebody to hang for this. They just want for their own egos, that they themselves come out of this good.

Witteman: Even if it is an innocent person as well.

Joran: Yes, even if it is an innocent person as well. I’m convinced of that.

Peter: Well I think it’s a bit awkward that you say you do not trust the Aruban OM, when it was you who has lied all the time.

Joran: Yes, I lied and I admit that, but there were reasons for that, and you don’t know them and….

Peter: Yes, I would like to know those reasons. To lie about what you have done, where you supposedly have nothing to hide? Why do you have to lie then, tell me that.

Joran: Well I did that extensively in my book already. And you have read that so you already know the reasons.

Peter: But you are here now to tell your story, right?

Witteman: Let’s agree that in the second part of the show, we will give you the opportunity to do that, but first let’s tell the story of the Van der Sloot-family, according to the rules we’ve agreed on in advance with Joran.  Namely, that we first look at what actually happened. Because you say, I kept my mouth shut, I didn’t tell them anything more, and they didn’t come up with anything new. Were those interrogations tougth despite that?

Joran: Well in fact compared to the first ones, they were not. They turned out less tough than I’d expected. There was a Dutch detective team that told their story, and in fact what they did was just speculating. They already talked in terms of a girl that was dead, you name it, where in fact it’s just a missing girl.

Pauw: That is all in the file isn't it? Because in the file of the judge-commissioner, it says that it has to be put first, that there are strong indications against the suspects that Natalee is dead.

Joran: I would like to know that now as well.

Pauw: Because you do not know of any indication that Natalee is dead?

Joran: (Shakes his head.)

Pauw: Deepak Kalpoe had stated that "her death was not good"?

Witteman: One of your friends there…

Joran: Yes, that… I don’t know either how that went exactly.  That’s something you should ask them.

Pauw: Didn’t you ask that to them ever? Like: "What have you said now?"

Joran: No (Unintelligible)

Pauw: But what did you say than?

Joran: No, I never asked him that. I... I mean we were so often interrogated by the police, and we in the beginning made so many statements. And I have already said all there is to tell. So I think also, yes, why do I have to make the same statements to the police twenty times? I think that the only thing they try is to find a little difference in them.

Pauw: What we do now, Joran, is just cite the report of the judge commissioner, who has used that in Aruba. In this report Deepak Kalpoe stated that her death was not good, has Satish Kalpoe... which is the other friend or brother, what is it exactly?

Joran: His brother.

Pauw:  Kalpoe has said he thinks that the suspect, you, has beaten her to death.  You yourself supposedly have stated about the burying of Natalee Holloway? Those are some hard facts, due to which one would think that indeed something is going on here?

Joran: Yes, I, I, … it’s three years ago now, and in the beginning we were really treated tough by the police and almost made to say things that we wouldn’t say ourselves. And yes, I have the feeling they made me want to say things that weren’t true.

Pauw: Did you never say, or have you never spoken, about burying Natalee Holloway?

Joran: No, I have never discussed that with the police.

Anita: Can I go into that for a moment?

Witteman: Of course.

Anita: When Joran was arrested for the first time, I was the only one who was allowed to see him. Because he was a minor and they wanted to keep out Paul because of his function. I had spoken to Joran some times but only briefly, some 15 to twenty minutes. And I am his mother. I love him very dearly. And I’m really convinced he wouldn’t do anything to that girl. These first emotions, these are very important to me, to see them in him as well.  For a moment I doubted him. I’ve thought, by jingo, could an accident have happened? Because I did indeed doubt him for a while. He doesn’t want to tell. He is about to have his final exams. He knows he has final-exams-celebrations.  He has a girlfriend, so he’s cheated on her.  He knows his father will be very angry with him. Etc, etc.  So I very directly spoke with him in one of the confrontations, when I came over there.  And I was taken by an Aruban detective.  And Joran was very upset, before that he was beset for hours and hours. Words were put in his mouth, which he never said. That were put to paper but that he never signed. And they showed that to me: "This is what he said."

Pauw: Well, Mrs. van der Sloot, these are maybe not the most subtle parts of this conversation, but Joran, you were visiting a psychiatrist because you were lying so much.

Joran: No, that was not the reason why I visited the psychiatrist. I’ve been to a children's psychiatrist two times, but that was because we had some things going on within our family.

Anita: I can explain that as well. So you can hear it from my own mouth. Paul was in Holland for the Judges-training, and I had to deal with three children in my own.  And Joran, as many seventeen year olds… I myself work with teens, and he was not the easiest one. Besides that, we had problems with… I had some problems with him. That he came home way too late. I’m rather strict, maybe sometimes I was even a little too strict. And at a certain point, after talking about it with a friend of mine, maybe it’s good we consulted a youth-psychiatrist. Because I just wanted him to have a goal in life, that he thinks well about what he wants with his life, and all this ‘going out’.  I just feel bad about that. And at that time he started playing poker in the casino, and I don’t want my son being in the casino! So I contacted a youth-psychiatrist. He wasn’t 18 yet, he still was 17. He went there twice, that’s correct, and we had one conclusive-conversation after that. And that was it.  So it was really not just about lying. 

Peter: What I now think is striking, is that they have no confidence whatsoever in the judicial authorities. While of course, it was not that long ago that Mr. van der Sloot himself did his utmost to be able to work there.

Pauw: As a judge you mean.

Peter: As a judge. I think it’s striking that suddenly there is so little confidence in that organization.

Paul: Well look, Mr. De Vries can’t hear that good. If he would have listened carefully he would have heard that Joran said that he didn’t have any confidence in the OM! That’s what Joran has said. Joran didn’t talk about the judicial authorities. What you see now, what has happened is that luckily we have judicial authorities. And we sit here again. So in the end it’s because of the judicial authorities that all has ended well.

Witteman: The judge has said: the case must be seponed, there is too little evidence, Joran is free. Well, let’s for a minute get back to that prosecution before Joran was released, because Joran just said they wanted to frame me; that’s what it turned out to be.
 
Joran: Well it was more like, in the beginning, the first time I was arrested, they were rather tough with us. They stuck pictures of the girl to the wall. And they told me as well... those two brothers are saying... they played us off against each other. That resulted in us saying things about each other that were not at all true. 
 
Pauw: But you had all rehearsed the exact same story?
 
Joran: Yes, we had agreed on... we had spoken about that in advance.
 
Pauw: That you had taken her to a hotel. And that she was so unsteady she had to hold on to a pillar.  And I think that all three of you, up to the pillar, told the same story?
 
Joran: Yes, but everyone had added their own things to it.
 
Pauw: But why did you do that? Why did you feel, let's all make up a story, namely this one? Why this particular story?
 
Joran: Yes, yes. Why this story? I just was shocked at that moment. Those parents were suddenly in front of our house. And yes, I also didn't know what I had to do.

 
Pauw: But then you say, boys, lets agree to one thing, let's all tell the same story, and we are going to make up that story now. 

 
Peter: You just can tell the truth can you, when nothing happened? There’s no reason to lie is there?

Joran: Yes, I don’t think the truth sounds that good, if you have to say you left a girl at the beach.
 
Peter: So you feel a lie sounds better than the truth?
 
Joran: Well, I didn’t know how serious this all was. I didn’t know there was a real problem.
 
Peter: That’s exacly why it is so strange that you lie. When you don’t know that something serious is going on, that something is wrong, then there is especially no reason to lie. That’s exactly the strange thing about you lying.
 
Pauw: Peter… Peter, you're the father of a teenager.  Well, maybe that’s a bit insipid.  Father of a young daughter. You can imagine, you do something… leaving a girl at the beach… let’s just say I decently brought her back. Such a little lie, you can imagine, can't you?
 
Peter: No, I can’t imagine that, Jeroen. You must try to see the psychology behind that, I think. When he doesn’t know what has happened to the girl, and maybe after she has slept away her drunkenness she simply shows up again, then he is really caught lying, as it would become clear that he had not dropped her off at all.  And she by herself has come back, or in whatever way made it back.  The fact that he nevertheless tells this lie, "I dropped her off", you can interpret as, he knew he could not be proven a liar, that he was safe telling this story, because he knew Natalee would not turn up again.
 
Witteman: Don’t you think you look at this in a much too rational way? We're talking about a 17 year-old boy who is confronted by the parents of girl that possibly has disappeared, maybe think that she is murdered and are suspecting him.  Then in a panic you do not immediately say "Yes, I left her behind?" And maybe terrible things have happened.
 
Peter: Well I think it’s always the best option to tell the truth, especially when you know for yourself that…
 
Witteman: But as a crime reporter, you must know there are many exeptions to this rule?
 
Peter: Yes, and they usually have a reason. But in a situation where nothing has happened, there was no wrongdoing, the girl herself wanted to stay there, or get home by herself… than that’s what you say don’t you? The fact that you don’t do that, and the three of you in a very calculated way rehearse a lie… that I find suspicious.
 
Joran: I myself of course also think it is very bad that I lied.  That is the only thing... that is the thing I regret most.  If I had came forward with the truth at the beginning, I think everything would have gone very differently. And I think that as well is one of the reasons Mr. De Vries thinks the way he thinks, but when you just look at the facts in this case... the time period that I have been with this girl, after that have been home at my computer, and the next day at school and doing all sort of things… what then do you try to say I have done?
 
Peter: Since you seem to want to talk facts, tell me how you got home that night.
 
Joran: I was taken home, D... D... by Satish, the brother of Deepak.
 
Peter: Yes. and he denies that. He says, I didn’t take him to his home at all. And first you stated that you were brought home by Deepak. Not by Satish. Those are also things that are not correct.

 
Joran: Mr. De Vries. I don’t know if you ever…

Peter: Why should they lie?
 
Witteman: Give him a chance to answer this….
 
Joran: If you ever were interrogated by the police, in a murder case…
 
Peter: Very often.

 
Joran: Also in a murder case.
 
Peter: No, not where I was a suspect.
 
Joran: The way I was interrogated was no pleasure.

 
Peter: No, when you are...

 
Joran: The only thing you think of is wanting to go home.  So there are things you say that…. yes, if you’re being promised you can go home, or it can help to get you home, then there are things you say that (Unintelligible)
 
Peter: Yes, but how did you get home?

 
Witteman: (Unintelligible) Peter, you especially know that people confess to a murder that they didn’t commit.
 
Peter: And what does that have to do with this?
 
Witteman: Well, that apparently the truth can be hidden.
 
Peter: But, how did you get home?
 
Joran: I just told you that.
 
Peter: But those two brothers deny that, and from the email… from the sms and chat-contacts that were there, it shows clear as day that they didn’t bring you home.
 
Joran: That’s something you draw from that. But that’s not true at all.  I think it indeed does show that.
 
Pauw: Back to your father, if you don’t mind. You were judge-in-training I believe. And now you’re lawyer.
 
Paul: Yes.   
 
Pauw: And you have a son, and that son is interrogated, and this son tells a story which you later find out…. (To Joran) Did you tell him yourself?  (To Paul) Or how did you find out that it was a lie?
 
Paul: Um... 
 
Pauw: You know, dropped her off at the hotel and so on.
 
Joran: Now by the police he... he was told that.


Pauw: What did you think then?
 
Paul: Well, we were angry. So when we learned that Joran didn’t tell the truth, Anita and I just were very angry at Joran.
 
Pauw: A girl is missing and your son is a suspect and on top of that he has lied…
 
Paul: Yes, yes, for us that was incomprehensible. That... not just that he lied, but he kept on lying for a long time. That was, yes that was incomprehensible to us. We were very angry about that at that moment.
 
Pauw: Did you at that point say to him: "As long as there is no body there is no case"?
 
Paul: No, I’ve never said that. That’s a term that you drop here now but…
 
Pauw: It’s put in the book like this as well.
 
Paul: Yes, but that term was used by the then Public Prosecutor, after I had had an interview with Twan Huys, of which the message was, well, we’re not the victims, let’s first concentrate on this girl. let’s try to find that girl. And she then, the next day, didn’t pick up that message and she said “Yes, this father, this (Unintelligible) concerned father. But, he has instructed these guys no body, no case, and that’s the reason why they are stating this way.” That was the only thing, and that of course is the heart of the matter, that I from the start on have said, this is a missing-case! This is not a criminal case. And that in my opinion is the big mistake that the OM has made.  From the start they were talking about murder, manslaughter, kidnapping, rape, when there was no evidence for that. And later everything is getting in a certain light, and now two and a half years later that has been corrected, but that has been very unfortunate.
 
Peter: I don’t think were are here now to assume this girl is still alive?
 
Witteman: We’ll get to that later. Let’s get back a minute. You worked there as a backup judge. Imagine… this is a strictly hypothetical question… imagine Joran telling you, a confidant par excelance in this family perhaps, "Listen Dad, I did something horrible". What would you have done in that case? I would have gone with Joran to the Public Prosecutor! Did you discuss this scenario with one another?
 
Paul: What do you mean?
 
Anita: (Unintelligible) Yes.

 
Witteman.: You would agree with that?
 
Anita: Yes.
 
Witteman: You would have informed the police against your son?
 
Anita: Yes.
 
Joran: And I can confirm that.
 
Witteman: You mean they would have threatened you with that?
 
Joran: No, I think they would have done that, yes.
 
Paul: There would have been no doubts about that. By the way, I was amazed that a lot of people think you could be able to hide something like this. For me that would have been absolutely strange. There would have been absolutely no doubts about that.
 
Pauw: Have you have doubts? Was there a moment you thought maybe he did it? That maybe an accident had happened and …
 
Paul: No, actually I have never doubted it one time.
 
Anita: I did.
 
Paul: I have always seen the way Joran was with girls. He was not able to do that, I’m sure of that. He would... if anything would have happened to that girl, he would have acted accordingly.
 
Witteman: Yes, let’s talk a minute how Joran was with girls. He’s very frank about it in his book. For him it apparently was, or is, easy to seduce girls.  So easy, that you can question if it always happened with the decency that has to go with that process, in comparison with someone who has much more difficulty interacting with girls, and is much more courteous. For example, you don’t write very respectfully about Natalee.
 
Joran: No, I am very respectful towards girls. I have for example never pushed a girl. Or did something wrong to a girl.
 
Witteman: Well there was talk of  “the bitch this” and “the bitch that”. And you hardly knew this girl and still you were intimate with her. And after that leaving her there alone? These are not things that prove you have great respect for women.
 
Joran: No, but it simply was so, that I was in the casino and I was invited to go out by her girlfriends . And one thing led to the other, and she wanted to come with us as well. She invited me to dance with her. Not that I didn’t want it, but….
 
Witteman: No, it’s about this Joran. Your father says: "What we know of Joran is that he doesn’t do wrong things with girls. Contradicting that is the fact that you left her at the beach, you cheated on your own girlfriend, not just with Natalee but with another girl as well.  That is not evidence of a principled respect you have for these women.

 
Joran: Well. I can not, I well...well maybe you’re right about that. Yes.
 
Witteman: But returning to the father, maybe you exaggerate the "respectful" way Joran behaves towards women?
 
Paul: I have always seen that Joran respectfully treated girls. And we’ve discussed that as well. So for me it’s incomprehensible that a girl that wasn’t totally well, was left behind by him.
 
Anita: He has two times had a longer relationship, and that girl visited our house, we knew her parents, we knew that girl. And he is still in contact with that girl and we are ... she still calls me  "ma'am". He was with her for nine months, that girl was 16.  That girl has very strongly defended Joran after that. After that there were some other dates. I think, and again I work with teens, 16, 17 and 18-year olds, that is very normal behaviour for a 17 year-old boy. Well, there were many telephone calls normally, like: "Is Joran at home? Can I speak to Joran?" Well, at a certain point, Joran had his own telephone, so we didn’t keep an eye on it anymore. But I have never seen, nor at our school... because he was at my school, I did see him a lot there of course... again, I’ve never seen anything of bad behaviour.

 
Witteman: Have you ever thought that maybe an accident had happened because…
 
Anita: I thought that in the begining for a while, because I thought, now Joran leaving a girl alone on the beach, that cannot be, we always say walk along with the girl if you are going out, to the door.  He was not raised like that.  So I was really furious at him, both of us were.  So I thought, could something have happened?

 
Witteman: Alcohol and drugs...

 
Anita: But I had, well drugs... no, but alcohol...  Those doubts were there for a while, and I was in Holland by the way, for the birthday of my grandmother, she turned 90 years old.  I had gone to Holland for a few days, and Paul called me, like oh, something disturbing, there is a girl missing, and Joran seems to be the one who was last... seen with her, went out with her.  By the way, I was just at the point of leaving Holland, so I did not go back early.  So I had thought something like, jeez, oh what now, again? But we both felt like, well she will appear again, the girl has probably ran away.  And when he told me about the conversation he had with the girl, I then especially had thought something like, well she will turn up.  But after three days it became rather worrying. 
 
Witteman: Okay, we now go as agreed with Peter R. de Vries, about his approach and your reaction to that. But first we’ll watch today's news.
 
(Newsclip)
 
Pauw: Okay, Peter R. de Vries, as we announced earlier you’ve made a documentary which has aired two or three times. And all three times it got much attention. A lot of people watched it, and that indicates that it is a case which in the Netherlands is very well followed by many, and that many people are interressed in. According to you, what happened?
 
Peter: That would be speculating. I wasn’t there.
 
Pauw: But you make some assumptions that….
 
Peter: Well, I hear the parents now make some statements like: "We don’t think Joran would do such a thing, he has respect for girls". But of course many other scenarios are possible. I don’t say he willingly and knowingly did something to Natalee because of which she died. Another scenario is possible, in which  something happened against his will, as a result of which… Well, she had drank, she was a vulnerable girl, and she could have passed out because of that, whereupon he panicked and instead of calling the police, he called his father and maybe did something different. But okay, that’s speculating, but again there are more scenarios possible where it didn’t start out with any evildoing
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Pauw: What then makes you feel that you have to keep focusing on this investigation? Because you could say as well: "Okay, this guy has now been so often freed of charges, and nothing has been proven…."
 
Peter: Well, he was not declared "not guilty"…
 
Pauw: Why can’t you say, I quit now or I will find out what happened by talking to other people
 
Peter: Well you invite me to come talk about it again, so in that sense you keep getting confronted with it.
 
Pauw: But what is it that triggers you to…
 
Peter: Well, what triggers me is that Joran simply, undoubtedly lied about certain things, where at the same time he has no legitimate reason for that. And he hasn’t stated on that very clearly, and the fact that he still as he was arrested the last time never spoke a word. I think that’s very awkward. And I wonder if that is something his father agrees with, as a person who himself wanted to be a judge. And that in such a crucial case where a girl has disappeared, and where the mother of that girl is still desperate about the whereabouts of her daughter. That you then still can keep your mouth shut whereas the investigation is aimed at getting clarity on that. And on certain points he has lied and those lies were never cleared up by him.
 
Witteman: Mr. Van der Sloot?
 
Paul: I agree with Joran totally. Because Joran at that moment couldn’t do anything else. And I have advised Joran to not talk because he already has said it all. Look…..
 
Peter: Who says it that he has told everything by now? There simply are still some questions.
 
Paul: You have to imagine such an interrogation.  And I wondered about that.. I must say, such a detective in fact has already completed his analysis, and next he wants confirmation of that. So he starts asking questions. And when you give an answer that doesn’t fit his analysis, then there’s another question and another. And then they go back to earlier statements. And at that moment there was nothing left to gain, for nobody, when Joran had started to talk.
 
Pauw: But what Peter says is that your son has lied several times.  And because he has lied, it’s logical that the detective keeps asking questions untill he’s heard the truth. And that’s one of the tasks the OM has to do: Find the truth. And you say, as a judge in training and later as a lawyer, keep your mouth shut.
 
Paul: Yes, and I have explained that. He already had told everything.
 
Witt.: So you believe your son 100%.  He has nothing to do with the disappearence of Natalee Holloway. What does he have to lose than?
 
Paul: It would just create more confusion.  Look, you must see that Joran has explained it himself as well. 

 
Witteman: But he won’t say I did it when he didn’t do it.
 
Joran: But you as well have to see that now that they had me convined again for these 16 days I was in full isolation… I wasn’t allowed to see anyone, to do anything, read a book, have contacts with others… And that to me was very frustrating. You are powerless against this… or say leave me alone or I walk away from it…Pauw: But how than is it possible that you knew that these two brothers were released?
 
Joran: Well, it’s a small prison. The women's prison had their courtyard close to my cell window, and from them you hear stuff.  They told me what was in the newspapers.
 
Peter: Okay, he says, and his father agrees, I don’t talk again with the OM because everything is already said. But that of course is the question, because there are still things open, about which there is no clearity yet. Among which is the question: "How did you get home". My experiences are that... and I have seen this very often... that when people refuse to make any further statements, most of the time that is not because they lack confidence in the OM, but because they forgot their previous lies. And in those cases it’s better to keep silent.
 
Joran: Well, Mr. De Vries I hope that one day it all comes out and you have to appologize for all the things you’ve said.
 
Anita: Well, I was interrogated by the KLPD as well, for some four hours, but the questions were not directed at finding the truth, but at "Joran must hang".
 
Peter: But I must say that it took quite a long time, before your son was arrested the first time. And let’s not forget that it was he who came up with very strong lies. So it’s not strange when the justice department says: "You were the last who was seen with Natalee; you tell us a story that was lies from the first to the last word."
 
Anita: But I’ve seen some of Joran’s statements and the slightest change in his statement... for example at a location where he pointed somewhat more to the left than he had previously done... that was considdered a new statement.
 
Peter: Well, that's inherent to these kinds of investigations. And let's note that you talk of somewhat more to the left or right, but in Joran’s statements there is talk of miles of differences between locations with his lies. It was all made up.
 
Pauw: Okay Peter, let’s establish two things here. First, there is no disagreement about the fact that Joran has lied. You have admitted that and admitted that that was a stupid thing to do. And if you hadn’t done that everything would have gone differently. On the other hand, we’ve seen in the Netherlands that in some cases the OM has shown to have a "tunnel vision".
 
Witteman: Because they think this suspect has to be the one that did it. And in this case there maybe were a number of different things and you address them in your book, that had they not just been focused on Joran, then other things could have been investigated. Has that been done in the mean time?
 
Paul: No. On the contrary, now that the judge has decided that Joran is no longer a suspect, the day after that, the OM came with the statement that he remains the person that they’re interested in. After two and a half years, wherein all possible coercive means were used. I cannot understand that. At that point in time, after sticking for two and a half years to someone's tail, the OM should have come to the conclusion that this person is not only no longer a suspect, but he must be considered innocent as well.
 
Peter: Well, if you come up with these kind of theories, I am very glad that you didn’t manage to become a judge.
 
Witteman: When you had two and a half years of investigation…(Unintelligible)
 
Joran: And it has cost over 10 million dollars. They did all kinds of things… searches, experts, airplanes…
 
Pauw: What, according to you, should be investigated, that hasn’t been investigated yet?
 
Paul: Well, what stands out is that there has never been a clear profile of the girl. What kind of a girl was she? Who were her contacts? I never saw anywhere something very simple, that the computer of the girl was looked into. I never saw that the family of the girl was investigated. Her friends.  Where you really have to start the investigation, is with the people closest to the girl, and really after 10 million dollars, that has not happened.
 
Peter: You forget the people she was last seen with….
 
Witteman: Yes, I wanted to say that as well. You begin of course with the people she was last seen with. But your suggestion, what could that mean... when you look into her surroundings...  what, doing so, could possibly be found about what happened on that beach?
 
Anita: We know that people have been seen on the beach. We know that the electronic swipe card from the hotel has been used, within a time frame she could have walked, we know that the card has been used three times. We know that security guards were in the neighborhood. It looks like she could have used the card, to get into the room.
 
Peter: Other people could have used that card.

Joran: Her room was on the ground floor.

Anita: You can walk straight from the beach to her room. There are about 7 or 8 statements, that witnesses have seen her walking.   
 
Witteman: There’s a statement by a cashier who says she first saw Natalee with a man who a short time later she saw without the girl. Has there been no proper investigation into these facts?
 
Paul and Anita: No. 

 
Paul: There is a video supposedly of Natalee, but we still haven’t had access to that video.
 
Anita: The video from the Holiday Inn, yes. The hall from the Holiday Inn. The "Missing" poster we just saw.  There are several versions of a poster. Beth Holloway came with her family to my school. This is 48 hours later, yes. She was on the island very quickly, which I would do also.  She came inside the school, she brought with her the "Kidnapped" poster.  But there is an other poster with "Hootie, call Big Hootie". Then you think: "Oh, this girl has run away". She also hung posters in the school with "Kidnapped by Joran van der Sloot", within a very short period of time. I thought, you can't do this, this is strange. I had, and still have the feeling that there is more. Behind all this is a different story, not behind Joran, but on the other side. I would like to see this investigated.
 
Witteman: Well, this is Natalee’s mother who some percieve as being rather fanatic…
 
(Video)
 
Beth Holloway: What I like to say to Joran is, tell what you did with my daughter when you raped her, finished raping her, what did you do with her? That's all we're asking. We want to know where she is.
 
(Video ends)


Witteman: Are you in contact with this woman?
 
Paul: Our first contact with her was in the beginning.  We had asked the police several times if we could get in contact with the family. The police didn't think that was such a good idea. But some time later she showed up at our door and I invited her in. And there we had a conversation which was very intense. I sat there with open arms, because we had a lot of sympathy for the situation she was in. And we wanted her to know that.
 
Anita: We felt that was very difficult. That was a very difficult moment.
 
Witteman: Did you keep in contact with her?
 
Paul: The next day she was going to return, but did not.  She did send a television reporter.  Then she went to the police and gave the police her account of the conversation.

 
Pauw: One thing we may still have time for. When we started, we showed that Peter tried to get in contact with you. And Peter, you held something in your hand, namely a picture. Let’s watch for a second… or do you have it with you?

Peter: Yes, coincidentally I have this picture with me.  It’s this picture, it’s a picture...

Pauw: Can you... you are experienced at this, Peter… you know how to do this…
 
Peter:  In this picture we can see it was taken at Natalee’s home, and apparrently it has Joran with Natalee in it. And that of course is impossible, because they had never met there. And this is a picture that was made...  with Joran knowing it, and maybe even photoshopped for Joran... where the impression was made of them being there together willingly and knowingly. And then you wonder…. well let’s say, I don’t see very much sense of sympathy in there. If you do that knowing that the girl is still missing, her mother desperate, you saying you have nothing to do with it, and at the same time making this kind of photoshop humor…

Pauw: Where did you get this picture?

Peter: It was placed into my hands by someone who was involved in this.

Pauw: Joran, you recognize that picture?

Joran: I know that picture, yes.

Pauw: You write about it in your book as well. What’s the idea behind that picture?

Joran: Yes… I didn’t do it myself,  but it was a joke of course.  Yes it was actually a joke. And now that you bring that up this way, it indeed looks very strange… But the only way to get through all this, is to sometimes make jokes about it. Because for me this whole thing often is ridiculous.

Peter: Making jokes about the victim?

Witteman: Who photoshopped this picture?

Joran: Yes, that is not important.  I won’t mention any names here…

Witteman: But not you?

Joran: Not by me.

Witteman: So it was sent to you…

Joran: Yes…

Witteman: Over the Internet or something like that?

Joran: Yes, I got it from someone I know, and it was…

Peter: And he even was paid for that, to do that…

Witteman: By…?

Joran: (Shrugs shoulders)

Peter: Yes, by…. he can say. 

Witteman: By you?

Joran: No. Where did you get that idea?

Peter: Well, it was mentioned in the email in which I got the picture (Unintelligible)

Anita: But that person is not here at the table.  We can’t ask him if what he said is true. 

Peter: But I think you can believe me on my word ma'am. 

Witteman: As a psychologist, or playing one... if he did kill that girl, he wouldn't fabricate a picture like that.

Peter: Well… I don’t know where you studied psychology, but …

Witteman: Just common sense. But there are limits to the way you deal with a victim of a disappearance…

Peter: Well, that’s something you can’t hold up like that…

Witt.: It’s exactly the same as you do in your…

Peter: There are very gruesome examples of people who did things and neither afterwards sympathy with their victims…

Pauw: Okay… We’re going to conclude our conversation at the table here. What would you still want to happen in this case?
 
question: What would you like to see happen now?

Anita: I would like to see the investigation to be continued, and maybe Peter de Vries can help with that, maybe we can talk about that a little later. I also would like an investigation of the investigation. I don't know if we can have that hope, but as long as this situation is not resolved, there will always be an enormous pressure on Joran, on all of us, as a family, our surroundings, our family, the parents of Natalee herself.  I think that is also very important, that it becomes very clear for them.  That should be first, and then we can progress. As long as that does not happen, everyone will have questions, fingers will continue be pointed at Joran.  For myself, I can be 100% certain that Joran did not do it.

Witteman: Do you think she’s dead?

Anita: I don't know, I have thought for a long time that she is alive, and there ahve been indications she is.  And those facts have to be investigated.  Rene Gielen on Curacao is making a documentary, she has interviewed a lot a people, we know because she's in contact with us.  I really would like for the other side of the story to also be investigated.

Witteman: Do you think she’s dead?

Paul: I don’t think she’s dead. I think the chance she’s still alive may very well be there.

Witteman: Do you think she’s dead?

Joran: I have doubts.  I think that when a person is missing for three years, that you would be a  very bad person to see all that is happening, and you still don’t come forward yourself to state you’re still alive. Or, or… if she’s still alive, I think she’s held against her will…

Witteman: Held in captivity.

Joran: Yes, held in captivity.

Witt.: You will continue your study in the Netherlands… and your mother says you keep walking with this case on your shoulders.  Do you agree with that?

Joran: Yes.  I try my best to not be busy with this in my daily life…

Witt.: And that goes well?

Joran: Yes, that goes OK. But of course it's still something you always carry with you, and things have happened… Of course I have eventually spent 116 days in prison in Aruba, and there are things you don’t forget so easilly. All those things were no pleasure.

Anita:  And I say, a part of his imprisonment was correct, because of his lies.

Witteman: We very much appreciate that you wanted to come in our show. That goes for Peter R. de Vries as well.  Peter, do you think have have had enough of this case by now? Or will you continue to investigate?

Peter: No, this case is not over yet. I understand they would want that, but as long as Natalee has not been found, this case is not over for me.

Pauw: We just heard Anita say that she wants the investigation to continue…?

Anita: We want it to continue. 

Anita and Peter: (Unintelligible)

Witteman: Will you now cooperate?

Peter: Well I would gladly hear what they want… and what information they have to offer.

Joran: And if there is ever clarity about what happened, and it turns out you were wrong after all, will you then apologize to me? Are you man enough for that?

Peter: What do you think?

Joran: I don’t think so.

Peter: No?

Witteman: Nice way to end the show.

Pauw: Okay, we’ll agree if that happens, it happens at this table.  Thanks.

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/media/jorandevries.htm

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[Tamikosmom]

Klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #825 10/12/09 -
« Reply #824 on: October 23, 2009, 02:50:04 PM »

I received this translation of Patrick's book from a friend and am told it's a good Dutch to English translation.  I added it to docstoc so you guys could read:   

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6082.msg993083;topicseen#msg993083

[Tamikosmom]

Joran Van der Sloot
Pauw & Witteman
(Phone Interview/Grandma's house)
February 4, 2008


Marco@RU
translation Joran's interview on pauw & witteman

question: How did this all happen, with this so called confession:

Joran: Yes, I did say something to someone I should not have said, it's a story
to someone I have know for a while.

question: How long have you known him?

Joran: about 6 months.

quistion: what did you tell him:

Joran: Yes, well everyone will see it this sunday, ha ha ha , but I can easily proof that what I said is not true, it's a whole lot about nothing, and it's kinda sad that they brought the mother over here and that they told her, but we'll see it all.

question: Is it now not right to say right now what you said, and why it is that what you said is not true.

Joran: I talked to my parents and my lawyer and they told me how it is, and they said also , just don't say anything.

question: The news said tonight that it's about the news that after you made out with Natalee that you , that she got sick, and became lifeless, and that you called a friend and he came with a boat and that you went on the boat with her and that you threw her in the water , you glide her in the water.

Joran, Yes, that's what I said.

question: Is that not very dumb of you to say that?

Joran: Yes it is very dumb, but what I'm trying to say is that I have build up a relationship with someone for 6 months, and yes, that person, it's very difficult to explain, but that person did very brave (?), and I told him what he wanted to hear.

question: How did you know what he wanted to hear?

Joran: Well I had my suspicion a little bit, because he talked to other friends of mine, I did not have a super good feeling towards him,

question: but then, Joran it is unbelievable dumb to just say this, if it's not true.

Joran: It's so dumb, it's so dumb, it's so dumb, it's really dumb.

question: do you think you will be arrested again?

Joran: No, I don't think so.
Maybe it could be, they have arrested me before for less than this, but I have been tricked.

question: Have you talked more to this friend who got this story from you?

Joran: I just had a conversation with him, for about 20 minutes.

quistion: and did you (uitgekafferd) **** (lol) on him?

Joran: No, I still talk with him normal.

question: But he betrayed you, or not?

Joran: Yes, but he does not want to talk, he says, what is coming is coming on sunday.

quiestion: but we've heard that he received money from peter van de vries, to get a confession from you.

Joran: Yes, I don't know, I think he has more than enough money himself, but, we'll see.

question: what kind of boy is he?

Joran: You see, I don't know what they are going to show this sunday, but this is a boy, he's an older man, I met him, and we've met a lot, I found him to be fascinating, I was very interested in him, and I, ha ha ha, just told him what he wanted to hear,

question: but how did you not know then that he was not honest, that you told him just what he wanted to hear?

Joran: Yes well, he did a lot of thing you should not do, things that I would never do myself, some of these things he did do,

question: example?

Joran: I don't want to give an example, I don't want to talk someone down, but it now shows that he used me
(loose translation)

question: yes with a hidden microphone and a hidden camera, you never noticed that, it would seem.

Joran: These days these things are so little, but it's just been unbelievable dumb, really really, not normal dumb, and I hope that will become more peaceful because it seems that all hell is breaking loose.

question: Have you had contact with the boy that might have moved the body of Natalee?

Joran: Yes, no, that's just a boy I met on Aruba, just now, when I was there,

question: Did you speak to him?

Joran: But now I just met him.

question: Does the police have contact with this boy now?

Joran: Yes, well I don't know, I don't know it all.
I have talked to my parents and my lawyer, and I just don't know what's happening now.
I don't know what the OM is thinking.
I think they are going to investigate it all, and it will show that it is not that way.

question: you have contact with your dad, does your dad have contact with the OM?
Joran: I don't know, I think he had a conversation with Mr. Mos, but it's only about security.

question: Oh so it was not about an new investigation?

Joran: No

question: Because, Mr Mos has said, this is the missing part, your confession.

Joran: Yes, it's very (vervelend) nasty but what I said was not true, and they can found out if it's true or not.

question: So you did not go with Natalee in a boat into the water and put her in the water?

Joran: No of course not.

question: That did not happen for sure?

Joran: No,

question: And how can we find out that that is not true, as you say?

Joran: Yes, I don't know, it has to do with that person, that after two and a half years with that person, that's not possible
(Joran talks in half sentences here)
No, I, it's just been very stupid.

question: do you blame de Vries?

Joran : NO, he does his job, I think that sunday night will bring very good tv night , but it's too bad that with this there are a lot of feelings for a lot of people involved here, and they will be hurt, and that's not a good tv program, but that's the way it is.

question: Joran, but now for all the people that are now thinking, Joran vd Sloot has lied from the beginning , and we talked around this table with Peter de Vries, and now it seems like again he lied again to someone else, why should we believe Joran vd Sloot?

Joran: Yes, I ask myself the same thing, there is no reason to believe me.

question: are you going to watch sunday evening?

Joran: I think I will watch sunday evening, I

question: will you consider to come to our program the next day to give your reaction?

Joran: I don't know, I think for myself I don't want to react, I'm pretty sober about it, but we'll see.

We'll call on monday again.
Thank you very much.



Klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #718 2/01 -
« Reply #375 on: February 02, 2008, 01:41:46 AM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik5an-r3LmI

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2561.msg336476;topicseen#msg336476

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PETER DEVRIES - THE TALK SHOW CIRCUIT


On the Record w/ Greta
Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside
Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape
Friday, February 08, 2008

GRETA
PETER DEVRIES

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


CNN LARRY KING LIVE
How Did Natalee Holloway Die?
Aired February 7, 2008 - 21:00   ET

LARRY KING
BETH HOLLOWAY
PETER DEVRIES

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/lkl.01.html


NANCY GRACE
Joran Submits to Questioning by Aruban Investigators in Holland
Aired February 7, 2008 - 20:00:00   ET

NANCY GRACE
DAVE HOLLOWAY
PETER DEVRIES

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/ng.01.html

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Monkeys Media Reminder … Beth Holloway & Peter R. DeVries on Dana Pretzer Show on Scared Monkeys Radio
February 13, 2008

BETH HOLLOWAY
PETER DEVRIES
DANA PRETZER

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2008/02/13/monkeys-media-reminder-beth-holloway-peter-r-devries-on-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio/

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As at it may go "poof" at some future date ... I made a decision to copy and page Peter Devries' website pertaining to the account of the entire Range Rover confession.

Janet

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As expected ... Peter Devries' website pages petertain to the Range Rover recordings has gone "poof".

Janet

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HOME PAGE

http://www.peterrdevries.com/


THE COMPLETE STORY
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


02 - 15 - 2008 / 11:30 a.m. (G.M.T.)
NO REARREST FOR JORAN: HOW DO YOU
EXPLAIN THAT TO HER RELATIVES...

http://www.peterrdevries.com/news-norearrest.htm


THE COMPLETE INTERVIEW WITH BETH TWITTY
Thursday 31 January 2008

http://www.peterrdevries.com/quote-beth.htm


THE COMPLETE INTERVIEW WITH
THE ARUBAN CHIEF PUBLIC PROSECUTOR HANS MOS
Thursday 24 January 2008

http://www.peterrdevries.com/interview-mr-mos.htm


The insider

Patrick van der Eem (34 years old) ...

http://www.peterrdevries.com/insider.htm


Peter R. DeVries and his right hand man

Kees van der Spek (43) ...

http://www.peterrdevries.com/right-hand-man.htm


Peter R. DeVries & Natalee Holloway: the case history

18-year old Natalee Holloway from Birmingham, AL ...

http://www.peterrdevries.com/case.htm


HIDDEN CAMERA

The use of hidden cameras in investigative journalism is ...

http://www.peterrdevries.com/camera.htm

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DAURY RODRIGUEZ

Mystery Man in Holloway Case Comes Forward
Man Named As Accomplice By Van der Sloot Denies Involvement in Aruba Disappearance

By ELIZABETH VARGAS & CHRIS FRANCESCANI
ABC News Law & Justice Unit
ORANJESTAD, Aruba
Feb. 4, 2008

A 21-year old Aruban came forward Monday to say that he is the mystery man that Joran van der Sloot implicated on undercover tapes, but claims that he had nothing to do with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Daury Rodriguez said he was contacted on Saturday by a frantic biographer of Van der Sloot's who, he said, warned him that his name was about to surface in the press as being the alleged accomplice who took Holloway's body out to sea in a boat and dumped it ....

More:

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/Story?id=4239135&page=1
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/Story?id=4239135&page=2
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/Story?id=4239135&page=3



PATRICK VAN DER EEM

Meet the Man Who Got Van Der Sloot to Talk About Holloway's Disappearance
Patrick van der Eem Gives the Inside Story to ABC News
By CHRIS CUOMO and CHRIS FRANCESCANI
Feb. 4, 2008

ABC News has obtained exclusive U.S. rights to this stunning new information caught on tape and will air a 90-minute special edition of "20/20: The Final Hours of Natalee Holloway" Monday at 9:30 p.m. ET.

In an exclusive interview with ABC News, Patrick van der Eem, 34, described in detail how he painstakingly gained the young Dutch suspect's trust, took his suspicions to Holland's leading investigative reporter and began a sting operation that led to van der Sloot's caught-on-camera admissions that he panicked when Holloway had what he describes as a seizure during a sexual encounter and called a friend who came and took the body out to sea ...

More:

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/story?id=4236425&page=1
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/story?id=4236425&page=2
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/story?id=4236425&page=3
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/story?id=4236425&page=4

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DISPOSED - PATRICK VANDER EEM

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/13561414/Patrick-van-der-Eem-book

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Klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
« Reply #912 on: February 15, 2008, 09:08:47 PM »

February 15, 2008
Court of Appeal upholds lower judge’s decision not to detain J.v.d.S.
J.v.d.S remains prime suspect
Judicial investigation continues

The Court of Appeal announced by the end of yesterday, February 14th, 2008, its decision to uphold the refusal by the investigating judge to order pre-trial detention of J.v.d.S. in the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The Office of the Public Prosecutor had requested such an order after the “Peter R de Vries-tapes” had been received by the Office and had been evaluated. Last week the Office appealed the ruling of refusal by the judge.

The reasons underlying the Court’s decision are the following. The Court has seen the visual materials, has listened to the audio materials and has inspected the verbatim reports. Based on that, the Court is of the opinion that there is a lack of sufficient facts and circumstances substantiating serious grounds for the suspicion of the suspect’s involvement in the crimes for which he is being held responsible by the prosecution. The Court will generally be a bit more hesitant when it has to decide on a new request for pre-trial detention of a suspect, when that same suspect has been detained repeatedly before and there has been a considerable lapse of time.

J.v.d.S. has given extensive and detailed statements in Patrick van der Eem’s car, the undercover citizen who worked for Peter R. de Vries, on what happened during the night of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Nevertheless the Court sees various reasons not to accept the serious grounds of suspicion which are statutorily required for pre-trial detention. One of them is the history of contradictory statements by J.v.d.S., which were belied repeatedly by objective findings.

At this moment those parts of the statements made in Van der Eem’s car which contain new elements are not being underpinned by objective findings. Considering the possibility of a serious personality disorder – as voiced by the prosecution – combined with a personal history of untrue statements and remarks, which even according to the suspect himself are frequently false, the Court of Appeal has reasons for doubt regarding the incriminating character of the “car-statements.”

On the pre-trial detention issue the Code of criminal procedure does not provide for further appeals. The effect of the Court decision is that J.v.d.S. cannot be (re)arrested.

The investigation of the Natalee Holloway case continues. J.v.d.S. is again the prime suspect.

At the end of the investigation the Office of the Public Prosecution will decide whether to charge or not.

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