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« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2006, 02:06:08 AM »

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Sorry about locking people out.  Need to be prepared for that when we get close to page 50  Wink


Not like I didn't notice we were on page 49, but we weren't yet on page fifty when I began my summation.

Yeah, sometimes it takes forever to get to page 50 from 49 and sometimes we get there real quick.  Tonight was one of those quick times, lol.  Sorry about that.

Goodnight!
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« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2006, 02:06:40 AM »

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I've been waiting while y'all been discussing the veracity of Viet Vet, yet none of you have questioned the veracity of his source?

If the source new about the baseball bat, why didn't the source tell the ALE or anyone else?


I would think that they might have, but it would fall into one of the usual categories: the Judge finds it "not credible", the police find it "not relevant" or even "one witness is no witness".


Still think we'd have a least heard about the witness if it have been reported.

We heard about the 'gardener' and the 'jogger' and the lady who saw the car heading to montanja.
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« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2006, 02:16:03 AM »

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I've been waiting while y'all been discussing the veracity of Viet Vet, yet none of you have questioned the veracity of his source?

If the source new about the baseball bat, why didn't the source tell the ALE or anyone else?


I would think that they might have, but it would fall into one of the usual categories: the Judge finds it "not credible", the police find it "not relevant" or even "one witness is no witness".


Still think we'd have a least heard about the witness if it have been reported.

We heard about the 'gardener' and the 'jogger' and the lady who saw the car heading to montanja.


We only heard about these witnesses because a third party was involved with all except for the jogger and there was something fishy about the jogger.

But all the other witnesses we ever heard about were only because Jossy or someone else was in on it and reported it to us.

We never heard much of anything from ALE with regard to witnesses or anything else.  Not even the tourist who found the bone with flesh on it, that one too just disappeared so I don't think we would hear unless Jossy or somebody else told us.

VietVet is not even saying he believes this, just that it was said along with all the hundreds of other rumors reported in Dave's book and all the interviews over the months.  I recall Beth saying she started to sleep in her clothing because every night it was a different rumor or claim to get them up out of bed and go check out something or other.

No one has ever listed ALL the rumors to my knowledge.  Not sure it could be done but maybe a job for Shizaru or somebody.


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« Reply #23 on: December 07, 2006, 02:22:49 AM »

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Hot chocolate all gone so now am really heading to the monkey bunkey.

It is going to be in the low teens tomorrow night, bitterly cold maybe the coldest night of the year here.  And yet we have no snow.

I have to wonder if Carnut sent the cold and kept our snow!   Evil or Very Mad

What good is just cold without snow!!


Goodnight all and remember that each one decides what to believe or not believe.  I certainly don't believe everything I have read or been told and neither should anyone else.  We all have a brain to think for ourselves.

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« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2006, 02:25:54 AM »

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I've been waiting while y'all been discussing the veracity of Viet Vet, yet none of you have questioned the veracity of his source?

If the source new about the baseball bat, why didn't the source tell the ALE or anyone else?


I would think that they might have, but it would fall into one of the usual categories: the Judge finds it "not credible", the police find it "not relevant" or even "one witness is no witness".


Still think we'd have a least heard about the witness if it have been reported.

We heard about the 'gardener' and the 'jogger' and the lady who saw the car heading to montanja.


I do believe Jossy was the source of this information.  I do not believe that Vietvet owns or works for a newspaper.  He might be Paulus for all I know but he has been posting here for about a year and he is always factual and very nice, and I have been told that by some who know more than I do, that he is genuine but then I was told by my husband that my diamond was the best and I found out Elizabeth Taylor had a better one.  See, that is how he hoodwinked me and when I questioned him, he said, "yours is the best I could buy.  I never said it was the best in the world."
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« Reply #25 on: December 07, 2006, 02:28:36 AM »

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Hot chocolate all gone so now am really heading to the monkey bunkey.

It is going to be in the low teens tomorrow night, bitterly cold maybe the coldest night of the year here.  And yet we have no snow.

I have to wonder if Carnut sent the cold and kept our snow!   Evil or Very Mad

What good is just cold without snow!!


Goodnight all and remember that each one decides what to believe or not believe.  I certainly don't believe everything I have read or been told and neither should anyone else.  We all have a brain to think for ourselves.



Well I do still have a bit of a snow drift between me and my firewood pile.
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« Reply #26 on: December 07, 2006, 02:30:41 AM »

I was also surprised that no one discussed Rob's post earlier today.
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« Reply #27 on: December 07, 2006, 02:32:31 AM »

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I've been waiting while y'all been discussing the veracity of Viet Vet, yet none of you have questioned the veracity of his source?

If the source new about the baseball bat, why didn't the source tell the ALE or anyone else?


I would think that they might have, but it would fall into one of the usual categories: the Judge finds it "not credible", the police find it "not relevant" or even "one witness is no witness".


Still think we'd have a least heard about the witness if it have been reported.

We heard about the 'gardener' and the 'jogger' and the lady who saw the car heading to montanja.


As a kid, did you ever play the game where someone starts a story and tells one person.  That 2nd person tells the story to the next person.  The 3rd tells it to a fourth.  By the time it gets to the 5th or 6th person, you've got a totally different story than was told by person 1.  We learned today that someone can make sarcastic statements and it might be repeated as fact.  For example, did Koen really sleep with his parents or was that a snide remark made - like How Scared Was He?  He was so scared......   I do think some of the rumors have come to exist in one of these fashions.  Is the baseball bat one of them?  Don't know that either.  But rumors in a high school can spread pretty fast and Anita said she got a call from a friend saying to keep Joran quiet.  No doubt he was telling all kinds of tales followed by other kids tossing out their own scenarios.
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« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2006, 02:34:45 AM »

I just looked up Chicago Mob online.  Posner is listed under "Gambling" and there's an asterisk by his name that says he's on parole.  How can he be out of the country, running a casino, if he's on parole?
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« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2006, 03:31:21 AM »

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« Reply #30 on: December 07, 2006, 05:36:51 AM »

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I was also surprised that no one discussed Rob's post earlier today.

Including you!  Maybe, because we know from past experience that Rob doesn't discuss his own posts and that any questions would go unanswered.  It could be that many did not see it as it was not accompanied by hilarious over-sized margin blowing, photoshopped pictures concerning bodily functions, gay bashing or out-dated cultural references.  Believe me, if Viet Vet had posted the same information, we would all be discussing ... Viet Vet.
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« Reply #31 on: December 07, 2006, 05:40:03 AM »

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« Reply #32 on: December 07, 2006, 05:51:20 AM »

I have saved some earlier posts from Viet Vet, I will try to post those later today altho I think this could be cleared up very quickly. I think if casa speaks with the family member who posts here, she can affirm this person exists and is quite close to the family too.

So Klaas email me if you want me to post those and fyi to all, never once has viet vet posted anything but thoughtful and intelligent posts.

As for why if the family heard this information early on, why didn't they just report it to the ALE as Casa asked........well when within this case did the ALE ever respond to anything? Furthermore if you cannot verify something, how could they have known at that moment, that this info source was so credible? Even Joran's school and father could not agree on whether Joran was in school on that day? We also can't know if others even within the ALE, told this family to discount the source that viet vet speaks of?

Aren't we now seeing what he must be feeling so acutely, that hindsight is 20/20 ? And yes, I also think Peter DeVries and Jossy and perhaps even this family, are releasing much at this time - what better time, or would everyone like to see Joran released as a suspect ?????

I will also say that there is a phenomenon here of "hope", when you think someone you love has died, or someone you love is dying - there is a component of your being that requires physical proof to accept that. Without going into details I lived through that experience this year within my own life, I also suspect had it been my daughter I would have gone down any and all possible paths, I would have left no stone unturned if humanly possible.

For the record, viet vet simply said his son went to the prom with Natalee, and that they were friends.
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« Reply #33 on: December 07, 2006, 07:07:23 AM »

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh !!!!!!!!

this nightmare will be SOLVED

BET THE FARM

<----------------never a doubt it would be solved

NOT A SINGLE DOUBT

EVER




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« Reply #34 on: December 07, 2006, 07:56:17 AM »

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ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh !!!!!!!!

this nightmare will be SOLVED

BET THE FARM

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NOT A SINGLE DOUBT

EVER

Soon I hope.

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« Reply #35 on: December 07, 2006, 08:09:25 AM »

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this nightmare will be SOLVED

BET THE FARM

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NOT A SINGLE DOUBT

EVER




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« Reply #36 on: December 07, 2006, 08:15:13 AM »

DEPOCKS KALPONE ALE STATEMENTS 6/13/2005


...and the lies just keep on coming!  Rolling Eyes

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To your question whether Joran has a girlfriend, I can state the following.
Joran had a girlfriend. Joran told me last week that she broke off the relationship.

To your question whether Joran had told me why she had broken off the relationship, I can state the following. Joran has told me that his girlfriend broke off the relationship because of that what had happened with the missing girl.

To your question whether Joran has girlfriends or has had girlfriends,
I can state the following. I do not know. *** PUH-LEEZE ***

To your question whether or not we pick up girls when
we go for example to "Carlos & Charlies", I can state the following.
Yes, we from time to time pick up girls there.

To your question whether these are local girls or tourists,
I can state the following. They are tourists.
To your question as to who is the one who makes the first move
towards the girls we are going to pick up, I can state the following.
 
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It usually is Joran or another friend with the name Freddy Zedan.
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---Smooth players. (for them anyway)  Outgoing. The Girl getters. ----

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To your question as to where we take the girls we pick up,
I can state the following. Sometimes the
girls stay at "Carlos & Charlies"
or sometimes we take them to their hotel.

To your question was to what exactly happens when we have picked up the girls,
I can state the following. Just kissing and dancing. *** OMISSION LIE - SEE NEXT QUESTION ***

To your question whether sexual intercourse has happened,
I can state the following. Yes, it has happened.



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To your question whether it ever happened that all of us,
so in one room, had sexual intercourse, I can state the following. It has happened.

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To your question whether it ever happened that the three of us had sexual
intercourse with a girl, I can state the following. That has never happened.

****************************************************

To your question as to why I reasonably quickly had an attorney,
I can state the following. After we were heard as witnesses, Joran's
father said that there would be chance that we were going to be arrested
and that we had to prepare for that eventuality.

To you question as to how we prepared ourselves,
I can state the following. With preparing I just meant looking for an attorney.

To your question whether I had spoken to my attorney prior to my arrest,
I can state the following. Both families had a meeting with the attorneys.
So my parents with me and my brother and Joran with his parents.

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To your question as to when that had taken place, I can state the following.
That took place last Saturday. THAT WOULD BE 6/4/2005


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To your question whether both families went to one office or to several offices,
I can state the following. We all went to the same office at the same time.
Our attorney asked us if the statement we had made as witnesses was the
truth and said that we should stick to that story.

*** ANTONIO EFFIN CARLO.



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« Reply #37 on: December 07, 2006, 08:21:48 AM »

Paulus thought a lot of this through!!!


Keeping all of the KIDS on one leash,
so he can cantrol the game...

push the buttons, pull the levers, throw the switches...


WE ARE STILL GOING TO
HANG HIS SON THOUGH. Wink


He just delayed the inevitable
as long as possible.

It kind of reminds me of a losing NFL
footbal team -- milking out the clock.
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« Reply #38 on: December 07, 2006, 08:24:34 AM »

and a good mornin to you too Jacqueline!  Smile
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« Reply #39 on: December 07, 2006, 08:47:29 AM »

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and a good mornin to you too Jacqueline!  Smile


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