Lively Case Discussion #555 12/6 - 12/8/2006

[robots]

i was outed on page 22
 

[Leslie]

Diario
http://www.diarioaruba.com/
Amigoe
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
BonDia
http://www.cspnv.com/
Solo di Pueblo
http://www.solodipueblo.com/
AweMainta
http://www.awemainta.com/
Aruba Today
http://www.arubatoday.com/
Translator:
http://papiamentu.donamaro.nl

[Peaches]

I just can't see laying all the blame at NG for this woman's suicide.

She had a harrowing childhood from accounts, was involved in porn movies, sent those awful e mails to herself pretending they were from her husband, and most certainly as joran had something to do with natalee being gone, she too orchestrated her son to disappear.

I have never been a NG fan , but I can't blame the whole enchilada on her for this one...

JMHO I know alot will disagree...

But I'll agree to disagree...

Well, I'm one for agreeing with you. It wasn't NG's fault.

Me too.  Good morning.  
This girl was a problem long before she was interviewed by Nancy Grace....

[Leslie]

From Diario:
HUEZ A NENGA PETICION DI ABOGADONAN DI JORAN, DEEPAK Y SATISH

ORANJESTAD(AAN):Diahuebs decision di Huez Smid di Corsow a yega cerca e abogadonan di e sospechosonan den e caso di desaparicion di Natalee Holloway.
Abogado Carlo representando Joran van der Sloot y abogadonan David Kock y Elgin Zeppenveld siman pasa a hasi un peticion na huez, pa ordena Ministerio Publico tuma un decision den e caso di desaparicion di Natalee Holloway, pa loke ta e rol di nan clientenan.
Actualmente ta net 1 aña y mey pasa cu e hoben Mericano a desaparece y ainda Ministerio Publico no a cuminza un caso contra e tres sospechosonan.
Nan abogadonan ta haya cu hopi tempo a pasa caba y nan kier pa sea un caso bin awor, of pa decision wordo tuma cu nan clientenan no ta sospechoso mas, pa asina nan por sigui cu nan bida normal atrobe.
Ponencia di e abogadonan ta cu hopi tempo a pasa y cu nan clientenan ta sufri bao di e echo cu nan ta wordo considera te ainda sospechoso. Huez sinembargo a dicidi cu e hobennan Surinam y Hulandes ta keda como sospechoso den e caso aki.
El a bisa cu e no ta haya cu mucho tempo a pasa. DIARIO a entrevista un di e abogadonan di Deepak y Satish Kalpoe esta Elgin Zeppenveld y a puntre despues di cuanto tempo, por bisa cu a dura hopi largo pa un caso bin dilanti na corte.
Segun Zeppenveld, normalmente ta un regla no skirbi, cu despues di dos aña un caso mester bin dilanti.
Sinembargo Hooge Raad a determina cu pa e regla aki por tin excepcion, cu ta hasi cu e caso mester bin dilanti mas prome, of cu por tarda mas cu dos aña, prome cu e caso bin dilanti.
Zeppenveld a splica cu ponencia di e y mr. Kock ta cu e hobennan y nan famia a sufri y ta sufriendo debi na consecuencianan di e caso aki, entre otro cu nan mama a perde trabao y cu nan a wordo poni den luz negativo pa prensa internacional.
Esaki por wordo considera un di e excepcionnan, cu por hasi cu e periodo di dos aña, pa nan mester bira menos, pa asina wordo determina cu nan no ta sospechoso mas.
Huez Smid sinembargo a dicidi cu e sospechosonan ta keda sospechosonan den e caso di desaparicion di Natalee Holloway. Zeppenveld a sigui bisa cu na Juni 2007, ta bay ta dos aña cu su clientenan ta wordo considera sospechoso den e caso aki, pero e ta kere tambe cu pa e tempo ey fiscal lo presenta e caso pa bin dilanti.

[Leslie]

From Diario:

Procesverbaal ta mustra preto riba blanco con Deepak ta bisa Joran; ‘SI NAN HAYA E MUCHA MUHER BO TA HAYA 15 AÑA’

ORANJESTAD (AAN) -- Den e investigacion riba desaparicion di e mucha muher mericano, Natalee Holloway, keto bay tin asuntonan cu cualkier persona cu dos placa di sinti lo bisa cu esnan cu a wordo interoga, sa mas di loke nan kier a declara te awor y e investigacion riba su mes ta uno hopi controversial.

Awe e team investigativo di DIARIO ta reproduci algun parti di procesverbaalnan cu a wordo traha y den cual publico na Aruba, Merca y Hulanda, unda e interesnan mas grandi pa soluciona e caso ta, por mira bon cla con e sospechosonan mes ta contradeci otro, punta dede riba otro y ta lanta tur sospecho riba nan mes y ta duna tur indicacion cu algo malo a pasa cu Natalee.

Un procesverbaal traha relaciona cu conversacion graba na forma scondi den un auto di polis durante cu e tres sospechosonan Joran van der Sloot, Deepak y Statish Kalpoe tabata wordo transporta pa KIA, entre otro lo siguiente ta resalta;
Deepak ta bisa Joran; “ Bo por drecha (haci bon) tur cos den un solo biaha, bo sa”
Joran ta bisa D; “Di kico?”
Joran ta bisa Deepak; “Boso tambe por drecha cos”
Joran ta bisa Deepak’ Con bo kiermen haci bon / con haci bon?”
Deepak ta bisa Joran; “Bo mester djis bisa e berdad”.

Aki atrobe e mesun tres sospechosonan aki ta tira e bal den sochi di otro y cada ken cu a sigui e caso aki djis un tiki di cerca, por saca afor cu e sospechosonan ta duna tur indicacion of por lo menos ta crea e impresion afirmativo, cu nan sa masha bon kico a pasa cu Natalee Holloway.

Mas leu den e conversacion, Joran kende den diferente otro declaracion, un rato ta bisa cu Deepak lo a rape y mata Natalee y despues dera e victima na Fishermanshut y otro biaha ta defende Deepak door di bisa cu Deepak nunca lo haci algo asina, awor ta bisa cu e lo hari si nan haya e mucha muher bibo.
Joran ta bisa Deepak; “Mi lo hari si nan haya e mucha muher bibo, f*** bo!”
Joran ta bisa e rumannan Kalpoe;” Mi sa bon cla cu boso tin miedo”
Joran ta bisa e rumannan Kalpoe; “Esey si boso a haci algo cu e mucha muher y si nan haya e mucha muher, nos lo bay wak”.

S ta bisa J; ‘Ami no tin miedo”
S ta bisa J; “Di con mi mester tin miedo?”
D ta bisa J; “Mi kier pa nan haya e mucha muher”
D ta bisa J; “Abo ta bay papia shit di mi, cu mi a dera e mucha muher na Fishermanshut”
J ta bisa D;”Ken a bisa di dera, ami no a bisa nada di dera”.

D ta bisa J; Ta abo a declara esey”.
Despues di varios biaha bay bin entre e sospechosonan, unda cada uno ta acusa otro, Joran ta bisa e rumannan Kalpoe lo siguiente; “Si nan haya e mucha muher, e ora nan ta wak e shit”.

Ta cua ‘shit’ polis lo wak ora cu nan haya Natalee anto?
Mas despues Joran ta bisa e rumannan Kalpoe; “Abo a yama via telefoon, y bisa cu ami tin e jackpot. Abo a bisa esey awor door di telefoon, ami tin e f***ing jackpot, bo a lubida cu e telefoon tabata wordo getap?!”
Ta kico nan kiermen cu e ‘jackpot’ y e ‘shit’ cu polis lo haya ora cu nan haya Natalee?
Mas leu Deepak ta bisa Joran; “Nan ta bay duna bo 15 aña (referiendo na 15 aña di prison) si nan haya e mucha muher”
Pakico bo ta bay bisa bo amigo cu tanto bo tabata trip cune tur caminda, cu ora polis haya e mucha muher perdi, nan lo duna Joran 15 aña di castigo?
Ta ora cu hende haci algo hopi malo e ta bin na remarke pa haya 15 aña di prison y ta pesey ora cu Deepak ta bisa Joran cu e lo haya 15 aña di castigo, cualkier hende lo bisa; eybao tin glas anto hopi skerpi!!
Keda pendiente pasobra tin hopi mas y tambe tin procesverbaalnan unda ta describi te den detayenan chiquito y askeroso kico tabata wordo haci cu diferente mucha muher door di algun di e sospechosonan. E investigacion ta riba e punto cardinal di ‘No return!”

[robots]

i cant understand it

but i think DOCTOR EVIL will EXLODE soon

i see a tornado coming  

[Peaches]

[Did I mention that DeVries is hot?  I think I did, but I'll say it again.  He is hot.  Is he married?

Yes, he is, LilPuma.  We must investigate him and find out if he is married.

 

I thought we had already determined based on popular opinion that he would not find himself ejected from the bed for eating crackers.   I recall opining I did not even care if Mr. De Vries spoke in full sentences.

[Leslie]

From Diario:
durante di caso TIRAMENTO DI CULPA RIBA OTRO DEN CORTE

ORANJESTAD(AAN): Diahuebs na corte a tuma lugar e caso den cual G.P a wordo acusa di a transporta cocaina. E muher no a presenta, sinembargo su caso a continua. Prome cu e caso a continua, abogado Paul van der Sloot representando G. a pidi huez, pa declara e caso nulo.

Esaki debi na e echo cu ta te den corte, el a haya e asina yama “Net P.V”, cu ta e rapport final di polis, relaciona cu e caso. E abogado a splica cu no por ta asina cu despues cu algun luna a pasa despues di detencion di su cliente, ta te den corte e ta haya e rapport. Segun van der Sloot, normanan pa cu su cliente a wordo atacha, pues el a pidi huez pa sea declara e caso nulo, of tene hopi cuenta cu e echo aki, ora di duna su cliente castigo.

[robots]

[Did I mention that DeVries is hot?  I think I did, but I'll say it again.  He is hot.  Is he married?

Yes, he is, LilPuma.  We must investigate him and find out if he is married.

 

I thought we had already determined based on popular opinion that he would not find himself ejected from the bed for eating crackers.   I recall opining I did not even care if Mr. De Vries spoke in full sentences.

        now thats funny  

[Leslie]

Bondia - Page 14 - Natalee Holloway case affects tourism
http://www.cspnv.com/archivo/pdf/Dec/7/A-7-12-06.pdf
Looking for new slogan because "One Happy Island" seems inappropriate
due to the Natalee Holloway case.
The new slogan might be "Aruba Shine" but they are considering other suggestions.

[Anna]

[Cohen made a BIG slip-up on one of the networks and the people in charge of the cover-up pulled him out of the game right afterwards.  I forget what it was that he admitted to but it was BIG, and live on network TV.  They came back the next day and tried to spin it as something different but it didnt work.

Good Morning, All,

One of Cohen's slip ups I believe was on the Dr. Phil show.  Not sure about that but wherever it was he said at least two of the suspects admitted having sex with "the girl" and that they were guilty as hell, guess he got that from Dompig before they all decided Natalee OD'ed and buried herself several times.  

Guess AHATA did not like his admitting to their guilt so readily but you are right, he did that.  And then we never saw him again.  

Tell the truth and get fired.

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[Anna]

Bondia - Page 14 - Natalee Holloway case affects tourism
http://www.cspnv.com/archivo/pdf/Dec/7/A-7-12-06.pdf
Looking for new slogan because "One Happy Island" seems inappropriate
due to the Natalee Holloway case.
The new slogan might be "Aruba Shine" but they are considering other suggestions.

Oh, now I'll bet we can come up with a few suggestions for their new slogan.


     


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[Peaches]

Bondia - Page 14 - Natalee Holloway case affects tourism
http://www.cspnv.com/archivo/pdf/Dec/7/A-7-12-06.pdf
Looking for new slogan because "One Happy Island" seems inappropriate
due to the Natalee Holloway case.
The new slogan might be "Aruba Shine" but they are considering other suggestions.

As in "If you are a crime victim here, Aruba will "SHINE" you on until you give up and go home"??

How about "Land of the Liars"?

[Anna]

Leslie,
Wish we knew what those articles say!  Any translations posted on any other forums that anybody has seen?


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[Leslie]

Anna:
First article is about Joran and the Kalpoe's having their request to be released as suspects denied
Second is the Diario investigative team discussing the police car tape of J2K and says they have another secret tape that they will make available.
Third is about PVDS defending a cocaine trafficker.
I hope the "ARUBA SHINE" slogan isn't misread as "ARUBAS HINE".

[Peaches]

Anna:
First article is about Joran and the Kalpoe's having their request to be released as suspects denied
Second is the Diario investigative team discussing the police car tape of J2K and says they have another secret tape that they will make available.
Third is about PVDS defending a cocaine trafficker.
I hope the "ARUBA SHINE" slogan isn't misread as "ARUBAS HINE".

THEY HAVE ANOTHER TAPE????  Where is it?  Bring it on!  

PVDS defending a cocaine trafficker.  Why am I not surprised?

[Leslie]

I am wrong; It is a PV. Sorry.
Keda pendiente pasobra tin hopi mas y tambe tin procesverbaalnan unda ta describi te den detayenan chiquito y askeroso kico tabata wordo haci cu diferente mucha muher door di algun di e sospechosonan. E investigacion ta riba e punto cardinal di ‘No return!

[klaasend]

Posted this morning by MF at FOB:

Yesterday morning, the same judge that the Twitts and monkeys call corrupt and de Vries referred to as the one that changed the search warrant has decided to maintain the current status of Suspects for the Kalpoe Brothers.

In the case, mr. Karin Janssen advised the judge of instruction that the case is still under investigation and maintaining the current status of suspects, would make their taks easier if they need them for to present for further interrogations.

In his decision the judge of instruction cited the fact that not enough time has passed since the case and preffered the normal span of 2 years to expire in this case.

Regarding Mickey John, he was removed as official (and original) suspect in the case and is planning to seek compensation for the damages received in this case.

[ldstlou]

SM tree project update.  Not done yet but getting closer.  Still need to figure out what to do with those without avatars.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/smtree8-1.jpg

I shake my head in amazement at all that you do.

too cute Klaas!!!

[Lala'sMom]

Klaas
Make Indy Dan stop driving around the Christmas tree so fast.  He's messing up my list.  

Morning Monkeys!  Coffee anyone?