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« Reply #460 on: October 05, 2009, 05:06:59 PM »

Give me a reason why I should believe Kona's words over LE?  Give me a reason why ANY sex offenders in the area should be given a free pass? 

DD, I respect your research abilities but disagree with you on this.  Kona's family may be perfectly innocent but they clearly raised an eyebrow with LE and do with me as well.
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« Reply #461 on: October 05, 2009, 05:15:26 PM »

Don't know about the rest of you Monkeys...but I am able to think for myself, so that said I am going back to the rafters . I do not want to get in trouble. Keep up the good work.
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« Reply #462 on: October 05, 2009, 05:17:02 PM »

I see DD is in the rafters.  Now maybe we can get some direction.  Boy we need it.

Now DD I see you are gone.  You were there, where did you go?  We need you.

This happened last night too.   Sad 

DD, please come in and talk with us.  Help us to understand what's going on, perhaps not just with this case, but with you as well. 

If it's the pressure of the case, and too much to do with no time to do it in, I can understand that. 

If it's that you are feeling pressured and/or attacked by some (myself included), I apologize for any part of that I have had. 

I've been confused by all this madness, and have looked to you to explain it, as you kept telling us you would.  When that didn't happen, for whatever reason, it only caused me more confusion. 

And now??  Am wondering whether or not you've discovered more about this case, in that perhaps you were led astray on from the start?  Is that it DD?? 

Whatever it may be, please come in and talk with us.  You are still one of us, and we are only trying to understand.  I promise to listen and not be harsh or critical.  Pinky swear. 


Just more proof of why you are one of everyone's favorite monkeys, Wyks . . . what a kind and heartfelt post. Bless your heart. You worded that so diplomatically and beautifully - thank you for that. Said it ever so much better than I.

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« Reply #463 on: October 05, 2009, 05:18:30 PM »

I am confused how DD is saying that getting Kona to be her eyes and ears on the ground has caused the search warrant and LE pointed towards Kona.  I read the SW , it was about Dale and LE was suspicious of him in July.  I can not see how it was against Kona nor how Kona helping DD in Aug/Sept had to do with suspicions back in July as the SW states.     


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« Reply #464 on: October 05, 2009, 05:20:03 PM »

Give me a reason why I should believe Kona's words over LE?  Give me a reason why ANY sex offenders in the area should be given a free pass? 

DD, I respect your research abilities but disagree with you on this.  Kona's family may be perfectly innocent but they clearly raised an eyebrow with LE and do with me as well.

Klass, I have no problem whatsoever in different people having different people they research because each of us have different theories... I don't mind everyone having their own theory and working on it.  But why do I have to be the one to do the research or keep answering posts about it... When I have a different theory what is the problem with my spending MY OWN TIME on MY OWN theory rather than on one I don't believe, to the point I can't work on my own. This is the problem for me.  I am sorry but I don't owe my time and effort to a theory I believe is all BS.  Do all of you want to work on MY theory for me and not work on your own?  see what I mean.  This is a huge huge lot of work... I choose to work on sortying the info I have and getting it into some forum where someone can understand it and get it where it needs to go.  I can't do that by researching everyone elses theories.
I don't expect people to agree with me about kona or the golders or whatever, and I knew that when I decided to let people know how I felt about it all.  I told people I would most likely stand alone on this issue.  It is no surprise to me whatsover. And it is all okay, really it is... but what is not okay is being trashed and people acting like I owe them my time and effort to research someone I don't even believe will help, to the point I can't get my info sorted that I already have about something, and do something with it. 
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« Reply #465 on: October 05, 2009, 05:22:20 PM »

Give me a reason why I should believe Kona's words over LE?  Give me a reason why ANY sex offenders in the area should be given a free pass? 

DD, I respect your research abilities but disagree with you on this.  Kona's family may be perfectly innocent but they clearly raised an eyebrow with LE and do with me as well.

Klass, I have no problem whatsoever in different people having different people they research because each of us have different theories... I don't mind everyone having their own theory and working on it.  But why do I have to be the one to do the research or keep answering posts about it... When I have a different theory what is the problem with my spending MY OWN TIME on MY OWN theory rather than on one I don't believe, to the point I can't work on my own. This is the problem for me.  I am sorry but I don't owe my time and effort to a theory I believe is all BS.  Do all of you want to work on MY theory for me and not work on your own?  see what I mean.  This is a huge huge lot of work... I choose to work on sortying the info I have and getting it into some forum /edit FORM where someone can understand it and get it where it needs to go.  I can't do that by researching everyone elses theories.
I don't expect people to agree with me about kona or the golders or whatever, and I knew that when I decided to let people know how I felt about it all.  I told people I would most likely stand alone on this issue.  It is no surprise to me whatsover. And it is all okay, really it is... but what is not okay is being trashed and people acting like I owe them my time and effort to research someone I don't even believe will help, to the point I can't get my info sorted that I already have about something, and do something with it. 
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« Reply #466 on: October 05, 2009, 05:28:36 PM »


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... I feel the same way about kona, why post things that have nothing to do with the case.  It distracts from the case and becomes a trashfest. 

... The subject of Kona and her family is not a priority of mine, so if you wish to continue to research them, I have no problem with it other than you need to learn to separate people's dirty laundry from the case; its hard to do, but if you do not, you will get hung up on something that doesn't matter and waste time on finding the truth about the case.

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... I said time and time again, I just did not have time to research something I know was bs... I need to put my time into what I believe will help, not something I knew was ridiculous

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The following words in the warrant regarding KONA's son is not deemed worthy of investigation in regards to the Lindsey Baum case!!

DD ... you have created a thread for researching of SO's in the McCleary area.  You have created a thread to investigate Wayne Watne whose life only touched the Baums.  In the process of elimination ... I upheld your research.

However ... Dale Golder is somehow given a pass.  You claim you know he is not involved and it is "BS" to researching the guy's background.  How do you know?

DD ... it does not make sense.

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Investigators then contacted_______________. She stated that in 2000 she and her two brothers were being babysat by Golder. She said her mother was good friends with Tena Golder. She said that while Golder watched pornographic videos and had her, her brothers and Dales younger brother watch the videos. He asked her to have sex with him and she refused. One day he took her to his room and barricaded the door with a large dresser. He removed her pants and the removed his pants and tried to have sexual intercourse with her. She said that she cried and struggled and after two hours he released her. She said she told friends about what happened whom she believed told school officials at Elma school district. It was reported to the police. Her mother found out about the incident. _______said her mother told her it would be her word against his and discouraged her from telling the police the truth. When the police officer spoke to her she said she told him nothing happened.


Janet, looking forward to the thread you start about Dale, the Golders, etc.  DD is not the only one who knows how to start thread and put info there.
Again, Looking forward to reading it.
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« Reply #467 on: October 05, 2009, 05:30:34 PM »

Don't know about the rest of you Monkeys...but I am able to think for myself, so that said I am going back to the rafters . I do not want to get in trouble. Keep up the good work.
Darla, please don't, you know how much I like you, and enjoy your posts  I have some very definite problems with all this, and there is no way I'm giving Clifford a pass, after reading some comments that Tena made to a poster on another forum. As of now I will let it be, unless somebody else has seen this and wants to bring it over 
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« Reply #468 on: October 05, 2009, 05:31:15 PM »

Hi Sister -

Was most certainly not calling you a sheep - NOT my intention at all. Absolutely not. Forgive me if I made you feel that way. Not my intention at all to be rude, argumentive or mean-spirited. Truly.

Simply trying to convey confusion & frustration in trying to sort out fact from fiction. Don't think I am the only monkey in that boat. Just want to help.


Thank you Tams for your reply.  Sometimes it is difficult to interpret written words correctly, my mistake, truly :>)
Oh yes, it is terribly confusing and frustrating to try and sort fact from fiction.  I too am in the same boat.
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« Reply #469 on: October 05, 2009, 05:35:38 PM »

Don't know about the rest of you Monkeys...but I am able to think for myself, so that said I am going back to the rafters . I do not want to get in trouble. Keep up the good work.
Darla, please don't, you know how much I like you, and enjoy your posts  I have some very definite problems with all this, and there is no way I'm giving Clifford a pass, after reading some comments that Tena made to a poster on another forum. As of now I will let it be, unless somebody else has seen this and wants to bring it over 

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« Reply #470 on: October 05, 2009, 05:36:21 PM »


Just more proof of why you are one of everyone's favorite monkeys, Wyks . . . what a kind and heartfelt post. Bless your heart. You worded that so diplomatically and beautifully - thank you for that. Said it ever so much better than I.

Sending you a grateful hug - 

Awwww shucks, Tams.  Thank you!   

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« Reply #471 on: October 05, 2009, 05:36:30 PM »

Wow yesterday was a bit crazy wan't it! Thank you for posting all of that. I have a question, wasn't the newpaper article left at that dump site while a search was being conducted? Was it at the house too?
 

dump site/abandoned house search.. are they the same?  lol 

IIRC, the article was left at the same place all the clothes etc were found, the place that TG supposedly said there had been 20+ kids in, over the years.  That place.  Wasn't it the abandoned house in that video?  I see it as a dump site too.  IMO. 

If the same place we are talking about here, some questions are, who was using it recently, and for what?  Who left the news article on Lindsey there? 
 

It was some dump site just out of town I think.  I am not sure if it the same place, I was thinking it was 2 different places. The person searching was said to have been walking around a site people use to dump things, whether it is a legal site, I am not sure, I don't think it is but again, don't know. If this is the same site, wow I can see why they searched, if not, I hope they did because it is very suspicious.
I am so glad someone else remembers this, I don't think it was the same place, I believe it was two seperate places, but now I'm not so sure 
NoRose, I am sure the dump site was different.  If I remember, one of the searchers posted something on line about it, and within a few hours, it was taken down.  I believe, though I could easily be mistaken, it was in the direction of the water tower, but again, can't remember the location, but assuredly remember about the newspaper, etc.
Another thing that I don't understand at all, the search warrant indicated a crime scene and thus they (LE) was looking for specific tire treads etc.  I don't recall anything about a possible crime scene nor do I have a clue as to the telephone pole that Don alluded to in his radio program.
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« Reply #472 on: October 05, 2009, 05:40:19 PM »


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... I feel the same way about kona, why post things that have nothing to do with the case.  It distracts from the case and becomes a trashfest. 

... The subject of Kona and her family is not a priority of mine, so if you wish to continue to research them, I have no problem with it other than you need to learn to separate people's dirty laundry from the case; its hard to do, but if you do not, you will get hung up on something that doesn't matter and waste time on finding the truth about the case.

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... I said time and time again, I just did not have time to research something I know was bs... I need to put my time into what I believe will help, not something I knew was ridiculous

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6192.440


 

The following words in the warrant regarding KONA's son is not deemed worthy of investigation in regards to the Lindsey Baum case!!

DD ... you have created a thread for researching of SO's in the McCleary area.  You have created a thread to investigate Wayne Watne whose life only touched the Baums.  In the process of elimination ... I upheld your research.

However ... Dale Golder is somehow given a pass.  You claim you know he is not involved and it is "BS" to researching the guy's background.  How do you know?

DD ... it does not make sense.

Janet

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Quote from: KarmaRoundUp on October 03, 2009, 04:05:26 PM

MomTective at WS typed out the full search warrant.

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89690&page=18

Investigators then contacted_______________. She stated that in 2000 she and her two brothers were being babysat by Golder. She said her mother was good friends with Tena Golder. She said that while Golder watched pornographic videos and had her, her brothers and Dales younger brother watch the videos. He asked her to have sex with him and she refused. One day he took her to his room and barricaded the door with a large dresser. He removed her pants and the removed his pants and tried to have sexual intercourse with her. She said that she cried and struggled and after two hours he released her. She said she told friends about what happened whom she believed told school officials at Elma school district. It was reported to the police. Her mother found out about the incident. _______said her mother told her it would be her word against his and discouraged her from telling the police the truth. When the police officer spoke to her she said she told him nothing happened.


Janet, looking forward to the thread you start about Dale, the Golders, etc.  DD is not the only one who knows how to start thread and put info there.
Again, Looking forward to reading it.

Thanks sister.

I have attempted to compile all the highlights from the dialogue encompassing the Foreman Road Searc search.

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« Reply #473 on: October 05, 2009, 05:41:53 PM »

Don't know about the rest of you Monkeys...but I am able to think for myself, so that said I am going back to the rafters . I do not want to get in trouble. Keep up the good work.
Darla, please don't, you know how much I like you, and enjoy your posts  I have some very definite problems with all this, and there is no way I'm giving Clifford a pass, after reading some comments that Tena made to a poster on another forum. As of now I will let it be, unless somebody else has seen this and wants to bring it over 

I wondered when more of this mothers story would unfold. "What goes around comes around" "Oh what a tangled web you weaved, when first you tried to deceieve!" Out of Kona.s mouth, "Now they know about my husband, Oh Well, Life goes on." Are you fricken kidding me!!!!! Life does not innocently go on for these children!! The only saving grace for these kids that some day with loving help they will be able to tuck this memory away in their brain of forgotten memories. Thats for the lucky ones. Shame on Kona for such a callouse response. Now it's out and I can go back and work on laws for these blessed children.

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« Reply #474 on: October 05, 2009, 05:48:36 PM »

Don't know about the rest of you Monkeys...but I am able to think for myself, so that said I am going back to the rafters . I do not want to get in trouble. Keep up the good work.
Darla, please don't, you know how much I like you, and enjoy your posts  I have some very definite problems with all this, and there is no way I'm giving Clifford a pass, after reading some comments that Tena made to a poster on another forum. As of now I will let it be, unless somebody else has seen this and wants to bring it over 

I wondered when more of this mothers story would unfold. "What goes around comes around" "Oh what a tangled web you weaved, when first you tried to deceieve!" Out of Kona.s mouth, "Now they know about my husband, Oh Well, Life goes on." Are you fricken kidding me!!!!! Life does not innocently go on for these children!! The only saving grace for these kids that some day with loving help they will be able to tuck this memory away in their brain of forgotten memories. Thats for the lucky ones. Shame on Kona for such a callouse response. Now it's out and I can go back and work on laws for these blessed children.

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« Reply #475 on: October 05, 2009, 05:56:42 PM »

DD..

IIRC, we have heard from you time after again, to wait....... you had 'all' the info needed to support your claims that it's all such a big mess.   You asked us to be patient, you are getting that together, and when you had it together, THEN we'll all understand the truths in this case. But DD, that's not happened yet!!!  We've been waiting... and waiting..  Your asking us to wait, you had the 'proof' etc, is why we've been sitting here waiting! 

Of course you do not 'owe' us anything!  We do expect however, that you'll eventually come back with what you have told us over and again that you have.  And when you don't?  Do you understand how frustrated we become?  Not to mention, our forum has become a laughing stock of the forum worlds, because we are waiting.... waiting..... waiting on info that you said you had. 

And then you come in and tell us ok, I don't have time for this.  Do your own research.  ??  Then why tell us to wait for your proof, etc.??  I do believe that you do owe us at least an explanation for why you have not provided what you said you would, all the while wanting us to trust you, that once we knew what you knew then we'd understand.  IMO. 

This has not only caused divisiveness between other boards, it has IMO caused divisiveness in this thread.  As monkeys and others have joined your forum where work is done together, info shared, and understandings brought.  Who then come here, with that understanding, but several here still without it.  And sides seem to have been taken up.  Anything that causes such divisiveness is not a positive direction forward, IMO.  Many sit back, afraid to post, afraid to hurt feelings, afraid to be seen in their sharing opinions as 'taking sides'. 

Yes, DD.. I think you do owe us at least an explanation.  Without being defensive.  We understand that you are busy, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.  You have time to sit in the rafters, am thinking that you have time to just post what you told us from the start to wait.... for.  Or an explanation of why we are still waiting. 

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« Reply #476 on: October 05, 2009, 06:05:45 PM »

DD..

IIRC, we have heard from you time after again, to wait....... you had 'all' the info needed to support your claims that it's all such a big mess.   You asked us to be patient, you are getting that together, and when you had it together, THEN we'll all understand the truths in this case. But DD, that's not happened yet!!!  We've been waiting... and waiting..  Your asking us to wait, you had the 'proof' etc, is why we've been sitting here waiting! 

Of course you do not 'owe' us anything!  We do expect however, that you'll eventually come back with what you have told us over and again that you have.  And when you don't?  Do you understand how frustrated we become?  Not to mention, our forum has become a laughing stock of the forum worlds, because we are waiting.... waiting..... waiting on info that you said you had. 

And then you come in and tell us ok, I don't have time for this.  Do your own research.  ??  Then why tell us to wait for your proof, etc.??  I do believe that you do owe us at least an explanation for why you have not provided what you said you would, all the while wanting us to trust you, that once we knew what you knew then we'd understand.  IMO. 

This has not only caused divisiveness between other boards, it has IMO caused divisiveness in this thread.  As monkeys and others have joined your forum where work is done together, info shared, and understandings brought.  Who then come here, with that understanding, but several here still without it.  And sides seem to have been taken up.  Anything that causes such divisiveness is not a positive direction forward, IMO.  Many sit back, afraid to post, afraid to hurt feelings, afraid to be seen in their sharing opinions as 'taking sides'. 

Yes, DD.. I think you do owe us at least an explanation.  Without being defensive.  We understand that you are busy, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.  You have time to sit in the rafters, am thinking that you have time to just post what you told us from the start to wait.... for.  Or an explanation of why we are still waiting. 



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« Reply #477 on: October 05, 2009, 06:07:00 PM »

How is any of this helping find Lindsey???

DD is satified with the research she has done on the Golders'.  So she is off researching other people/ideas.

That does not mean we cant research the Golders'.  If DD has decided not to share what she knows, well then come on monkeys, lets go find out for ourselves. 

To me, the more people we having looking in more directions - that will bring Lindsey home faster.  Which at the end of the day is what we all want   an angelic monkey   
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« Reply #478 on: October 05, 2009, 06:09:59 PM »

DD..

IIRC, we have heard from you time after again, to wait....... you had 'all' the info needed to support your claims that it's all such a big mess.   You asked us to be patient, you are getting that together, and when you had it together, THEN we'll all understand the truths in this case. But DD, that's not happened yet!!!  We've been waiting... and waiting..  Your asking us to wait, you had the 'proof' etc, is why we've been sitting here waiting! 

Of course you do not 'owe' us anything!  We do expect however, that you'll eventually come back with what you have told us over and again that you have.  And when you don't?  Do you understand how frustrated we become?  Not to mention, our forum has become a laughing stock of the forum worlds, because we are waiting.... waiting..... waiting on info that you said you had. 

And then you come in and tell us ok, I don't have time for this.  Do your own research.  ??  Then why tell us to wait for your proof, etc.??  I do believe that you do owe us at least an explanation for why you have not provided what you said you would, all the while wanting us to trust you, that once we knew what you knew then we'd understand.  IMO. 

This has not only caused divisiveness between other boards, it has IMO caused divisiveness in this thread.  As monkeys and others have joined your forum where work is done together, info shared, and understandings brought.  Who then come here, with that understanding, but several here still without it.  And sides seem to have been taken up.  Anything that causes such divisiveness is not a positive direction forward, IMO.  Many sit back, afraid to post, afraid to hurt feelings, afraid to be seen in their sharing opinions as 'taking sides'. 

Yes, DD.. I think you do owe us at least an explanation.  Without being defensive.  We understand that you are busy, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.  You have time to sit in the rafters, am thinking that you have time to just post what you told us from the start to wait.... for.  Or an explanation of why we are still waiting. 



now you are the laughing stock of the forum world because of ME?  are you kidding me.  I'm not posting here again.  Figure it out your own self.  You are rude and demanding and whatever else you are, and NOW I have had just about enough. 

I have put up with all of this long enough, get in touch with the locals yourself, reserch yourself, talk to LE yourself, work with other professionals yourself, do all this WORK yourself, and take responsibility for yourself if you believe you are the laughing stock of the forum world.  That is the most ludicrous thing I have heard yet.

Don't blame me.  I've been right so far... think about that.  I never said it though because I don't like to do that, but you know, there comes a time when I have had about enough of the trashing and accusations and all the BS.  I don't have time for this, and even if I did have time, it is not something I am interested in.  Now I really don't know what the problem is.  But I don't owe you a dang thing, and if you are the laughing stock of anyone (which I don't believe you are) then it is NOT because of me. 

Seem you people have no clue at all about me.  In the words of HO, "I'm DONE"!!!!
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« Reply #479 on: October 05, 2009, 06:11:03 PM »


I wish I could say things as plainly as you. I end up sputtering when I try to make a point sometimes. But I am glad you have said this. It needed to be said. Thank you.   

Thanks Fanny!    

Am gonna go take puppers for a long walk.  Need fresh air and a break from all this madness.  Which isn't even incl the case itself. 
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