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« Reply #300 on: April 20, 2010, 02:31:34 PM »

So I think I might have found a connection, and this is based off if the reports by Harry Oakes are legit (still something I'm on the fence with, because if Melissa didn't want to have anything to do with him being involved in the investigation, how did he get articles for his dog to pick up Lindsey's scent from, and also did he have permission from local LE to be involved on top of that, because he is retired LE himself, and he knows better than to just jump into things), and still digging further to see if this connection also has a connection around 6th street also.

hi jademoff, amanda, mb's sister is actually the one who contracted with HO..mb wanted nothing to do with him... He went through amanda for everything.

if you are trying to match up something and need some info just let me know, I can most likely help you.  you can email me if you need some info to help with whatever you are going with which connects with the HO report..  keysring@yahoo.com

Do you know if Harry Oakes was working with Law Enforcement or was he just on his own?

Jademoff, I know your asking this question to doubledecker, but I believe the local LE was sorta against Harry Oakes searching. Sorry if this is wrong but that's the information that I heard.

I hope your onto something with your resent sleuthing! 
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« Reply #301 on: April 20, 2010, 03:00:29 PM »


Jademoff wrote:

Does anyone know what decade Taurus it is?


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This car was a early 90s Ford taurus kind of a tan color.  It was most likely an aftermarket paint color as it did not match factory colors... there was something significant about the bumper


For sure a Taurus? Is there a possibility that it could have been a tan Mercury Sable?

they said it was for sure a taurus, as we have asked if it could be a few other cars that look just like a taurus, and they said they are sure it was a taurus... but still, it would not hurt to keep other styles(look-a-likes) in mind... there is a very telling identifying mark on the bumper though, however that might not any longer be there. 

I do have a pic of a van thought that is said to look like the van in question.

If you think you might know of a vehicle which might match the "taurus" then by all means get a photo to me and I will have the person who saw it to look at it. 
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« Reply #302 on: April 20, 2010, 03:06:31 PM »

So I think I might have found a connection, and this is based off if the reports by Harry Oakes are legit (still something I'm on the fence with, because if Melissa didn't want to have anything to do with him being involved in the investigation, how did he get articles for his dog to pick up Lindsey's scent from, and also did he have permission from local LE to be involved on top of that, because he is retired LE himself, and he knows better than to just jump into things), and still digging further to see if this connection also has a connection around 6th street also.

hi jademoff, amanda, mb's sister is actually the one who contracted with HO..mb wanted nothing to do with him... He went through amanda for everything.

if you are trying to match up something and need some info just let me know, I can most likely help you.  you can email me if you need some info to help with whatever you are going with which connects with the HO report..  keysring@yahoo.com

Do you know if Harry Oakes was working with Law Enforcement or was he just on his own?

he was in contact with them and shared his info with them and the fbi, however, I would say he was NOT WORKING "with" them...I can't comment in detail about this as I said I wouldn't... but ... harry oakes contracted with amanda, MB's sister(it had to be a family member or LE before he will work on a case).  He sent all of his info & anything he found to LE and fbi; that is the extent of his doing much in conjunction with LE, not because HE would not have worked WITH them... I am sure he was willing to work with them, and I am sure he would have done much more if anyone would have wanted him to.   
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« Reply #303 on: April 20, 2010, 10:49:24 PM »


Jademoff wrote:

Does anyone know what decade Taurus it is?


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This car was a early 90s Ford taurus kind of a tan color.  It was most likely an aftermarket paint color as it did not match factory colors... there was something significant about the bumper


For sure a Taurus? Is there a possibility that it could have been a tan Mercury Sable?

they said it was for sure a taurus, as we have asked if it could be a few other cars that look just like a taurus, and they said they are sure it was a taurus... but still, it would not hurt to keep other styles(look-a-likes) in mind... there is a very telling identifying mark on the bumper though, however that might not any longer be there. 

I do have a pic of a van thought that is said to look like the van in question.

If you think you might know of a vehicle which might match the "taurus" then by all means get a photo to me and I will have the person who saw it to look at it. 

A Mercury Sable is the same thing as a Ford Taurus, just made by Mercury (Jademoff is a car woman FYI  )
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« Reply #304 on: April 20, 2010, 10:50:28 PM »

Also an early 1990's Ford Taurus is an odd vehicle for someone to invest getting a new paint job on. I will keep my eyes and ears open for it though.
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« Reply #305 on: April 21, 2010, 12:06:45 PM »

Also an early 1990's Ford Taurus is an odd vehicle for someone to invest getting a new paint job on. I will keep my eyes and ears open for it though.

the van also had a new paint job which is really weird also.

also these two vehicles were seen at 9:30 pm at the same time yet neither of them see lindsey on that street?  or could one of them have been the witness who said they saw lindsey on their way to work??? I don't know.. but if they they are the one who thought they saw lindsey on their way to work, then they definitely saw that other vehicle too.  it would have to be the van who MIGHT be the witness, because if it were the taurus who was the witness I really doubt they would be parked weird like that if they saw her... also, if it were the taurus who was the witness the police would know who was in the taurus... so if either of these two vehicles were the witness, then it would have to be the van... or... it is the person who saw the van and the taurus.  however, it is not the taurus who is the witness I would not think... why would they be parked like that with the door open... also, the police do not know who they are, or they didn't know...

we really need to figure out who this taurus belongs too. 

I will get a pic of the mercury sable to the person who saw the "taurus" and see if it might have been the sable.  That could account for the color being off?  but do they paint the taurus cars with the same paint as the sables?  seems they might.. if so, still would be an aftermarket paint job. 
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« Reply #306 on: April 21, 2010, 05:27:35 PM »

Also an early 1990's Ford Taurus is an odd vehicle for someone to invest getting a new paint job on. I will keep my eyes and ears open for it though.

the van also had a new paint job which is really weird also.

also these two vehicles were seen at 9:30 pm at the same time yet neither of them see lindsey on that street?  or could one of them have been the witness who said they saw lindsey on their way to work??? I don't know.. but if they they are the one who thought they saw lindsey on their way to work, then they definitely saw that other vehicle too.  it would have to be the van who MIGHT be the witness, because if it were the taurus who was the witness I really doubt they would be parked weird like that if they saw her... also, if it were the taurus who was the witness the police would know who was in the taurus... so if either of these two vehicles were the witness, then it would have to be the van... or... it is the person who saw the van and the taurus.  however, it is not the taurus who is the witness I would not think... why would they be parked like that with the door open... also, the police do not know who they are, or they didn't know...

we really need to figure out who this taurus belongs too. 

I will get a pic of the mercury sable to the person who saw the "taurus" and see if it might have been the sable.  That could account for the color being off?  but do they paint the taurus cars with the same paint as the sables?  seems they might.. if so, still would be an aftermarket paint job. 

Can you share more detail about this without jeopardizing anything? I'm trying to figure out what you mean by the taurus parked that way with the doors open? I read back but don't see a post about this and I'm trying to understand.
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« Reply #307 on: April 21, 2010, 06:21:14 PM »

Also an early 1990's Ford Taurus is an odd vehicle for someone to invest getting a new paint job on. I will keep my eyes and ears open for it though.

the van also had a new paint job which is really weird also.

also these two vehicles were seen at 9:30 pm at the same time yet neither of them see lindsey on that street?  or could one of them have been the witness who said they saw lindsey on their way to work??? I don't know.. but if they they are the one who thought they saw lindsey on their way to work, then they definitely saw that other vehicle too.  it would have to be the van who MIGHT be the witness, because if it were the taurus who was the witness I really doubt they would be parked weird like that if they saw her... also, if it were the taurus who was the witness the police would know who was in the taurus... so if either of these two vehicles were the witness, then it would have to be the van... or... it is the person who saw the van and the taurus.  however, it is not the taurus who is the witness I would not think... why would they be parked like that with the door open... also, the police do not know who they are, or they didn't know...

we really need to figure out who this taurus belongs too. 

I will get a pic of the mercury sable to the person who saw the "taurus" and see if it might have been the sable.  That could account for the color being off?  but do they paint the taurus cars with the same paint as the sables?  seems they might.. if so, still would be an aftermarket paint job. 

The paint from the vehicles I will have to look into. I can't see someone painting one of those vehicles an aftermarket color though, just because they aren't one of those vehicles that people do after market paint jobs to, UNLESS they have it as some sort of Show car, which is very unlikely unless however it was a Sho Taurus (spelled Sho, it's the sports version of the Taurus.)
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« Reply #308 on: April 21, 2010, 06:22:36 PM »

I don't know how bright the color of tan the car was, but here is a Mercury Sable in a tannish/silverish color.

http://autos.yahoo.com/used-cars/mercury-sable-pictures-cars348063086;_ylt=AkH9MDObaEWxQeLP_yHns4z3bY54;_ylv=3?sortcol=price&sortdir=up&listingtype=used&model=&make=&distance=50&picstart=1
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« Reply #309 on: April 21, 2010, 06:24:31 PM »


Here also is a picture of what appears to be a 1995 Ford Taurus in a gold/tan color

http://avtosostav.ru/BMW/tuning/1990-95-Ford-Taurus.jpg
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« Reply #310 on: April 21, 2010, 06:26:03 PM »


Sorry about so many posts at once. Here is another picture of the Mercury sable with a color they call Champagne.

http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fp%3D1990%2BMercury%2BSable%26b%3D64%26ni%3D21%26ei%3DUTF-8%26xargs%3D0%26pstart%3D1%26fr%3Dyfp-t-701%26fr2%3Dtab-web&w=100&h=68&imgurl=www.motorcities.com%2Fmedia%2Fimages%2F100%2F04L6E293505775A.jpeg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.motorcities.com%2Fvehicle%2F04L6E293505775.html&size=2k&name=1990+Mercury+sab...&p=1990+Mercury+Sable&oid=370642c7bc426ff6&fr2=tab-web&no=83&tt=94&b=64&ni=21&sigr=11m0tqg2k&sigi=11pld9b3p&sigb=13vgmjr0u
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« Reply #311 on: April 21, 2010, 09:28:17 PM »

I just want to put a call out to other locals and non-locals that feel they have something to contribute to Lindsey's case. If you have been waiting for a long time getting approved here for membership you could try doing what I did and email Klaasend about it. I'm not sure if I should put the email address here so I'll just direct you to the scaredmonkeys page where you can find the contact information on the right hand side: http://scaredmonkeys.com/.

Geez, I hope I don't get in trouble for suggesting that, but I know there are others who wanted to come on here and discuss things and I think some fresh input here might get things going again. 

We don't have to name names or point fingers if that's what's holding some of you back. I'd like to paint a picture of McCleary around the time period that she vanished. What was going on in and around town? Why would someone be passing through McCeary? What route do you think Lindsey took? What are some of your theories and thoughts?

It's getting close to A YEAR THAT LINDSEY HAS BEEN MISSING. I can't stand the thought of that, and I know you folks here feel the same.

Wherever you are Lindsey, we're still digging for the truth, and we won't stop until you're home! 

 
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« Reply #312 on: April 21, 2010, 09:48:54 PM »

This has been gone over before but it won't hurt to refresh our memories. It's not a timeline really, but an outline of Lindsey's day and her walk home. This is what I've found and I'm sure there's more stuff to add that I've forgotten or don't know so please add to it.


Lindsey left her cell phone at home before leaving to play with friends Friday
Michaela had spent Friday with Lindsey and a group of other girls, swimming at a friend’s pool
Lindsey was at McCleary Video with a group of friends around 8:15 Friday night, located at 225 W Simpson Ave
Some time later, Michaela, Josh & Lindsey headed to Michaela's house after leaving Lindsey's house on Mommsen
Josh left to return home before his sister after the two had a dispute
Between 9 and 10 p.m. Friday Lindsey left her friend's home on Maple Street
Lindsey was going to walk to her home on Mommsen, which is roughly a 10-minute walk on a densely populated suburban street
Light was waning but the sun hadn’t gone down
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« Reply #313 on: April 21, 2010, 10:03:36 PM »

I remember there was a lot of people questioning if it was dark or not when Lindsey headed home. It really does stay light out here late that time of year. Here's a link to the weather underground that shows temps, the phase of the moon and sunrise/sundown information for June 26, 2009.
http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KSHN/2009/6/26/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA

(This actually shows Shelton, but that's as close as I could get.)

You'll see it shows Civil Twilight as 9:52 PM that night. This is a definition given for Civil Twilight: This is defined to be the time period when the sun is no more than 6 degrees below the horizon at either sunrise or sunset. The horizon should be clearly defined and the brightest stars should be visible under good atmospheric conditions (i.e. no moonlight, or other lights). One still should be able to carry on ordinary outdoor activities.

If we go off of that, it was still fairly light out when Lindsey headed home, but getting dark fast. So if Lindsey really is afraid of the dark like we've heard, it seems she would head straight home. That's my thinking anyway.
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« Reply #314 on: April 22, 2010, 08:30:35 AM »

I've always wondered who sent her brother home after the bike dispute.  Was it just what it appears, break up the fighting by separating the siblings, or could this person have wanted Lindsey to lose her escort back home?
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« Reply #315 on: April 22, 2010, 02:22:01 PM »

I've always wondered who sent her brother home after the bike dispute.  Was it just what it appears, break up the fighting by separating the siblings, or could this person have wanted Lindsey to lose her escort back home?

I had wondered that too, but thinking about it the town starts to get quiet that time of night, and being close to the beehive a lot of the people there were probably already in bed, and with the two kids argueing and probably being really loud, whoever it was that knew them and heard them outside probably thought they were going to wake the whole neighborhood up, so sending the one home would quiet it back down. They probably didn't know if Lindsey was going to stay the night or if Kara's daughter was going to stay the night at Lindsey's, and then they just didn't think about the chance of Lindsey walking home alone. One thing about that though is since there was apparently a text sent to MB about sending Josh home, and then Lindsey having her own cell phone, I would have thought that MB would have called Lindsey to find out what was going on, and then discover Lindsey doesn't have her phone on her.
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« Reply #316 on: April 22, 2010, 02:44:10 PM »

So I think I might have found a connection, and this is based off if the reports by Harry Oakes are legit (still something I'm on the fence with, because if Melissa didn't want to have anything to do with him being involved in the investigation, how did he get articles for his dog to pick up Lindsey's scent from, and also did he have permission from local LE to be involved on top of that, because he is retired LE himself, and he knows better than to just jump into things), and still digging further to see if this connection also has a connection around 6th street also.

hi jademoff, amanda, mb's sister is actually the one who contracted with HO..mb wanted nothing to do with him... He went through amanda for everything.

if you are trying to match up something and need some info just let me know, I can most likely help you.  you can email me if you need some info to help with whatever you are going with which connects with the HO report..  keysring@yahoo.com

Do you know if Harry Oakes was working with Law Enforcement or was he just on his own?

Jademoff, I know your asking this question to doubledecker, but I believe the local LE was sorta against Harry Oakes searching. Sorry if this is wrong but that's the information that I heard.

I hope your onto something with your resent sleuthing! 

Oh, no worries, any little bit helps Smile. Harry Oakes is just a subject I'm on the fence with, I think now I'm starting to climb down one side of the fence rather than the other though. There is just so much that doesn't make sense to me.... LE being against him is the main thing. While a lot of people might think it's stupid that LE didn't work with him (based off the reputation we read about on the website for Harry Oakes) I know they have good reasons for not working with him.
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« Reply #317 on: April 22, 2010, 03:05:52 PM »

Am I getting my cases mixed up or was there a meeting of some sort going on that night?

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« Reply #318 on: April 22, 2010, 06:26:05 PM »

Am I getting my cases mixed up or was there a meeting of some sort going on that night?



No, this is the correct case. There was a town meeting going on that night.
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« Reply #319 on: April 22, 2010, 10:29:13 PM »

Am I getting my cases mixed up or was there a meeting of some sort going on that night?



No, this is the correct case. There was a town meeting going on that night.

Do you recall where the meeting was held?

There was also talk of a retirement party that the Mayor attended but I'm note sure where it was at.

I found this in an older post about the party --

McCleary Mayor Wallace Bentley remembers the night Lindsey disappeared like it was yesterday. The little girl’s route home would have taken her right past his house. In fact, a confirmed sighting of Lindsey has her disappearing right outside his home on Maple Street, within view of his windows.

 “I’ve been bending my brain around what happened ever since,” Bentley said. “I returned home from a retirement party for a city employee. I was there. I know I saw kids on the street. But did I see her? I don’t know. I wish I could say I did, but I just don’t know.”

 Across the street, William Self, 79, says he was home, too. But he didn’t see anything either. He says an FBI agent looked through his home and in his backyard for Lindsey, like they did for practically every neighbor up and down the six or seven blocks it would have taken Lindsey to go from her friend’s house back home.



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