Caylee Marie Anthony #150 10/18/09 - 11/4/09

[trimmonthelake]

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/
Understanding Forensics: Roles, Terminology, and the Null Hypothesis
November 1st, 2009
It has come to my attention that certain “camps” within the discussions surrounding the cloth analysis of the crime scene duct tape and the gas can duct tape are misrepresenting (either intentionally or out of ignorance – maybe wishful thinking or denial) statements made in the FBI documents.  Statements are being made such as “they say it didn’t come from the same roll”, etc.  This is incorrect, untrue, false – whatever classification you feel most comfortable assigning  it.  But, irrespective the label you choose – it’s not right.  My personal opinion is that these statements are being made from a combination of bias (i.e. the person(s) do not want to accept the possibility the various pieces of duct tape are connected) and ignorance about the role of the FBI lab and the language used in their reports.  So my hope in this entry is to clear some of that up.
ROLES

First let us address the role of the FBI laboratory reports.  They are to present the actual test results, trained observations, etc.  They are to deal in fact and to make a call on certain findings/observations from an analytical viewpoint.  They do not interpret the data they present past the physical evidence they have, but they log their expert observations in a scientific method so that experts in the given field (DNA, fiber analysis, etc.) can use their observations with confidence to render an interpretation.  In other words, the lab reports tend to be “just the facts, ma’am” without extraneous considerations added.  When you read the reports you will see this with consistency.  A good analogy of the roles of the laboratory personnel and the expert can be drawn by talking about having an X-ray, CT-scan or MRI.  The laboratory technician performs the test, and can even record notes of observations they make during the test to pass onto the doctor who will be interpreting the results, but the technician does not render the interpretation.  In fact, in most hospitals in the U.S. it is strictly against policy for a technician performing the test to make any statement of interpretation to the patient.  The interpretation comes when the Radiologist (or whatever doctor is applicable for the type of test being performed) takes the resultant data (which can include the notes taken by the technician) and formulates an interpretation based on the data before him.
Another good example from the medical field is when you have blood work done.  Let’s say the lab worker performs a full blood count and a differential blood count on your sample and returns the data of low reticulocytes, high leukocytes, and low neutrophils.  The lab worker is not going to come find you and tell you it appears you have leukemia.  The lab worker is going to produce a report to the oncologist who will then take into account all other testing performed, your symptoms, prior treatment, and any other extenuating circumstances to render that diagnosis, or some other.  Why?  Because even though all these lab results are included in the diagnosis of leukemia, having these lab results does not NECESSARILY mean you have leukemia.  An expert must take into account ALL factors prior to rendering an expert interpretation.

This is equivalent to the role between the forensics lab and the expert who will ultimately review the findings and render an expert decision.  Just as with the medical analogy, the expert will take into account more information than the laboratory personnel.  For instance, in the case of the Radiologist, he will take into account the patient’s symptoms in interpreting the results.  In the case of a forensics expert, he will take into account the extraneous factors that could play into effecting the observations made by the forensics lab.

Let’s apply these roles to the forensic results that have been published on the various pieces of duct tape and other evidence for which discovery has been released to date.  The forensics lab’s job is to record all physical observations and to make a “call” on whether something is consistent, inconsistent, eliminated or unable to be eliminated (we’ll get to these terms in a bit).  So they record everything physical they observe.  In the case of fibers they identify the type of thread (cotton, wool, polyester, etc.), whether it is lusterous or delustered (i.e. has a shine or has been chemically treated in a manner that “de-shines” it), etc.  In a comparative forensic test they will take a given fiber from a known source and they will compare to a fiber found on a second known source and they will make the call of “it’s like, it’s not like” and this call will have varying degrees of finality (the terms used above and discussed later).  About the only time you will see a comment about extraneous factors (such as environment, etc.) in a forensics lab report is when those very factors prevent the lab employee from performing the analysis in the first place.  For instance, in the case of Q104 (the last piece of Henkel duct tape found at the crime scene), the forensic lab worker states the weave cannot be analyzed due to degradation.  Another place we see a note of extraneous factors is several of the pieces of plastic recovered from the crime scene where their state of degradation prevents forensic analysis. 
And then lastly, we see reference to the environment concerning the quality of DNA returns on the pieces of tape.  After all observations/testing are finished, the lab’s final report is then passed to the chosen forensic expert in that area for interpretation.
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[loca]

Thank-you Seeme for posting that, I have no idea what I just read     I don't understand all that stuff so I will just believe that George is not Caylee's father.

does anyone know anything  about this?
New GLOBE article - critical of Anthonys - “BOOZE CRUISE” Nov. 9, 2009 by Bob Burns.

calls them “tattooed grandparents” and says they “party” while “Monster Mom festers behind bars”!

excerpts:
“BOOZE CRUISE”
“….Casey Anthony’s parents ……boozing, gambling and showing off their tattoos on a Caribbean cruise while their daughter languishes in jail.”
“…. grandparents reaped the fat payout for cooperating with the 48 Hours Mystery show,” …..
“a shipmate tells GLOBE” …..
“I saw them at night in the casino bar where both George and Cindy were enjoying cocktails and didn’t seem to have a care in the world, says the passenger.”
“Casey’s parents - who seem to share their black-hearted daughter’s party-hearty appetite - were also proudly displaying colorful tattoos.” “Cindy’s bears the name Caylee Marie entwined with a butterfly in tribute to their little granddaughter.” “George - who was also seen for the first time wearing a pair of diamond stud earrings - has the inscription “My Sunshine” on his chest. The tattoo features a girl with sunbeams streaming down on her.”

http://s439.photobucket.com/albums/qq120/cayleeaction=view&current=GLOBEtattooarticle1.jpg

includes 2 new cruise photos from a fellow passenger.
http://s439.photobucket.com/albums/qq120/cayleecross/?action=view&current=GLOBEtattooarticle1.jpg

[seemeatthebeach]

Thank-you Seeme for posting that, I have no idea what I just read     I don't understand all that stuff so I will just believe that George is not Caylee's father.

does anyone know anything  about this?
New GLOBE article - critical of Anthonys - “BOOZE CRUISE” Nov. 9, 2009 by Bob Burns.

calls them “tattooed grandparents” and says they “party” while “Monster Mom festers behind bars”!

excerpts:
“BOOZE CRUISE”
“….Casey Anthony’s parents ……boozing, gambling and showing off their tattoos on a Caribbean cruise while their daughter languishes in jail.”
“…. grandparents reaped the fat payout for cooperating with the 48 Hours Mystery show,” …..
“a shipmate tells GLOBE” …..
“I saw them at night in the casino bar where both George and Cindy were enjoying cocktails and didn’t seem to have a care in the world, says the passenger.”
“Casey’s parents - who seem to share their black-hearted daughter’s party-hearty appetite - were also proudly displaying colorful tattoos.” “Cindy’s bears the name Caylee Marie entwined with a butterfly in tribute to their little granddaughter.” “George - who was also seen for the first time wearing a pair of diamond stud earrings - has the inscription “My Sunshine” on his chest. The tattoo features a girl with sunbeams streaming down on her.”

http://s439.photobucket.com/albums/qq120/cayleeaction=view&current=GLOBEtattooarticle1.jpg

includes 2 new cruise photos from a fellow passenger.
http://s439.photobucket.com/albums/qq120/cayleecross/?action=view&current=GLOBEtattooarticle1.jpg

Disgusting is too kind a word for these creatures...........

[mizjay]

Thank-you Seeme for posting that, I have no idea what I just read     I don't understand all that stuff so I will just believe that George is not Caylee's father.

does anyone know anything  about this?
New GLOBE article - critical of Anthonys - “BOOZE CRUISE” Nov. 9, 2009 by Bob Burns.

calls them “tattooed grandparents” and says they “party” while “Monster Mom festers behind bars”!

excerpts:
“BOOZE CRUISE”
“….Casey Anthony’s parents ……boozing, gambling and showing off their tattoos on a Caribbean cruise while their daughter languishes in jail.”
“…. grandparents reaped the fat payout for cooperating with the 48 Hours Mystery show,” …..
“a shipmate tells GLOBE” …..
“I saw them at night in the casino bar where both George and Cindy were enjoying cocktails and didn’t seem to have a care in the world, says the passenger.”
“Casey’s parents - who seem to share their black-hearted daughter’s party-hearty appetite - were also proudly displaying colorful tattoos.” “Cindy’s bears the name Caylee Marie entwined with a butterfly in tribute to their little granddaughter.” “George - who was also seen for the first time wearing a pair of diamond stud earrings - has the inscription “My Sunshine” on his chest. The tattoo features a girl with sunbeams streaming down on her.”

http://s439.photobucket.com/albums/qq120/cayleeaction=view&current=GLOBEtattooarticle1.jpg

includes 2 new cruise photos from a fellow passenger.
http://s439.photobucket.com/albums/qq120/cayleecross/?action=view&current=GLOBEtattooarticle1.jpg

                Seems like yesterday that George was "rescued" at the Hawaii Motel, now looks like life is good. 
Ya know that if they wanted to get away and relax they could have easily kept it on the down low, but noooooooooo, gotta party like rock stars. Is it wrong to light a candle for them to get what they deserve?   Don't answer that!

[Puzzler]

Thank-you Seeme for posting that, I have no idea what I just read     I don't understand all that stuff so I will just believe that George is not Caylee's father.

does anyone know anything  about this?
New GLOBE article - critical of Anthonys - “BOOZE CRUISE” Nov. 9, 2009 by Bob Burns.

calls them “tattooed grandparents” and says they “party” while “Monster Mom festers behind bars”!

excerpts:
“BOOZE CRUISE”
“….Casey Anthony’s parents ……boozing, gambling and showing off their tattoos on a Caribbean cruise while their daughter languishes in jail.”
“…. grandparents reaped the fat payout for cooperating with the 48 Hours Mystery show,” …..
“a shipmate tells GLOBE” …..
“I saw them at night in the casino bar where both George and Cindy were enjoying cocktails and didn’t seem to have a care in the world, says the passenger.”
“Casey’s parents - who seem to share their black-hearted daughter’s party-hearty appetite - were also proudly displaying colorful tattoos.” “Cindy’s bears the name Caylee Marie entwined with a butterfly in tribute to their little granddaughter.” “George - who was also seen for the first time wearing a pair of diamond stud earrings - has the inscription “My Sunshine” on his chest. The tattoo features a girl with sunbeams streaming down on her.”

http://s439.photobucket.com/albums/qq120/cayleeaction=view&current=GLOBEtattooarticle1.jpg

includes 2 new cruise photos from a fellow passenger.
http://s439.photobucket.com/albums/qq120/cayleecross/?action=view&current=GLOBEtattooarticle1.jpg

Yes, back when the first "cruise" photos came out, I noted that it looked like George had a tattoo on the left side of his chest...Wow, just wow!  They both got one...just in time to show off on the cruise!  Diamond studs!!  Do you think George will wear those in court to show KC?

Words fail me...



Disgusting is too kind a word for these creatures...........

[trimmonthelake]

Good Morning Monkeys. 

[trimmonthelake]

Those Anthonys never met a camera they didn't like.   

[trimmonthelake]

http://www.projo.com/news/content/GREENVILLE_GUILLOTINE_11-02-09_GHG9SPO_v8.353c06a.html
What he would do to child killers
01:00 AM EST on Monday, November 2, 2009

[Fanny Mae]

http://www.projo.com/news/content/GREENVILLE_GUILLOTINE_11-02-09_GHG9SPO_v8.353c06a.html
What he would do to child killers
01:00 AM EST on Monday, November 2, 2009

Good morning. 

 I would pay to watch. They should practice on the Anthonys. 

[Fanny Mae]

BOO, SEEME, AND LOCA, Thanks for the articles from yesterday.
TRIMM, The article about the guillotine brings out my desire for bloodletting. After all the things they have done, I would even include the Anthonys. 

[monkalicious]

Good morning, monkeys!
Could I just add a resounding "EEWWWWWW" to the repellent Anthony's?  As I've said before, they could not put a right foot forward to save their lives.  The cruise thing, well, okay, if they were going to support a friend's recovery from cancer, perhaps, but the TATTOOS!  (Disclaimer:  if you have a tattoo, I hope I don't offend you.)  I really have never cared for them, and the idea of 50-somethings tattooing their bodies is just, just, well to put it politely,  uncomfortable to think about at best.  I can say this as a 52 year old.  By the way, I wonder if the tattoo artist who did Casey's Bella Vita was the one who did theirs.  Enquiring minds globally wondering, if you know what I mean.

[klaasend]

O/T Another missing baby in Florida 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6410.msg1002396#msg1002396

[CasuallyCool]

[CasuallyCool]

[Fanny Mae]

Everyone was talking about Mallory in the two piece the other day. Look at the overlap on Spindy!!! 

[NickandNora]

Everyone was talking about Mallory in the two piece the other day. Look at the overlap on Spindy!!! 

 



 

[SweetMorgan]

O/T Another missing baby in Florida 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6410.msg1002396#msg1002396

Klaas,  I don't yet know the details but I live in Florida and as soon as I saw your post I just started crying.  When will the madness stop?  It is sinful and heartbreaking.  Thank you for informing us, you always do such a superb job.

[trimmonthelake]

NickandNora,I know just how you feel.   

[NickandNora]

Good job on the pic CC. I especially liked the Caylee part you added.

Nick is home with me today and are both looking at this now and 

We both think rosebuddy is posing and are wondering...did he have a "buddy" take these pics and sell them for him for a certain percentage of $$$?

What vile vile VILE people parasites! 

[NickandNora]

NickandNora,I know just how you feel.   

Hi Trimm.

Anyone notice the girl in the pic with the white sunglasses? Who is she? The look on her face is priceless. lol.