Natalee Case Discussion #826 11/07/09 - 12/09/09

[texasmom]

UPDATE:

http://www.24ora.com/content/blogcategory/6/8/



Papiamentu translation:

acolyte of cuerpo policial r.p.kock owing to wordo deteni

saturday, 07 november 2009 - 16:27 departamento of investigacionnan inner of cuerpo policial (bizo), bow guia of ministerio publico, owing to detene bigadier eerste klasse r.p.k.,cu is work at keep of oranjestad.e is being sospecha the.o. of owing to comete amenza, y place falsedad on paper. owing to base of the acusacionnan contra his person owing to dicidi for detene pendiente the result of the investigacion.

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OK, which one is R.P. Kock?  I know David Kock was the K2 attorney and at one time Joran had a Kock too 

 

[texasmom]

Nasty horrible accident in Aruba.  Lot's of photos.

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=2147&offId=0

Some of the photos actually show a mangled body still in the car ---- unbelievable, but we have become used to their morbidness. 

My guess would be he's the one that died on the scene.   

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/13927/5/

Papiamentu translation:

snip

ambulance owing to transporta one of the heridonan for hospital y alas we have to informa cu one of the another victimanan owing to fayece at the sitio. is deal here of rafael e. mejia thomas, naci day 28 of june 1975 at san pedro de macoris, republica dominicana y was live at tanki leendert 165-g. condolencia at his famianan in the instant dificil here.

Update:
24ora is reporting that the investigation of the multi vehicle accident concluded that the deceased man was at fault.  The article also says that he and his wife worked for the RIU Resort and have a child that is one year old.

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/13931/8/

Papiamentu translation:

investigacion is indica cu victima of accidente fateful self was culpabel

sunday, 22 november 2009 - 01:59

the desgracia cu owing to sosode ayeratardi arededor of 5or on sasakiweg near of ex-rio churasqueria owing to wing very atencion. much was conoce the victima, the dominicano, rafael the. mejia thomas (34) y cu was live at madiki although cu oficialmente his adres is at tanki leendert. the first investigacion policial is mustrando end cu is the self was culpabel in the accidente here. click read more for more info. investigacion at the sitio of accidente is show cu the toyota corolla, in cual the victima fateful was, owing to lever sasakiweg just fast the pick-up ford color cora. consequentemente the pick-up color cora owing to bay strike in the toyota corolla, that at his file owing to strike also in one another pick-up chevrolet color blauw. kico can owing to happen cu the car owing to lever on one caminda big so without pay tino, do not conoci. probably the not owing to calcula the distancia of the car mucho bnon or door not owing to neither pay tino cu the car was biniendo duro. the impacto was so strong cu all three chauffeur owing to resulta injury. one of the first personanan for arrive at the sitio was specialista dr. marcel meelis, that owing to cuminsa help the victimanan, even first cu the first unidad of police owing to arrive at the sitio. of acuerdo cu the polisnan cu owing to arrive at the sitio, for hour cu they owing to arrive already doctor owing to constata dead of the victima end. the chauffeur of the pick-up color cora owing to bay cu ambulance for hospitaal for ricibi atencion medico. after of the accidente the lady chauffeur of the another pick up, esun color blauw owing to bay hospitaal for one chekeo. after of one rato both victima can owing to bay cas. the victima, rafael the. mejia thomas, was work at river resort y his casa also. they two have one an baby of barely 1 year of edad. condolencia at famianan of the fayecido in the momentonan dificil here. come across

[texasmom]

We won't forget, and we won't give up!

Truth and Justice for Natalee!

[2NJSons_Mom]

 

[2NJSons_Mom]

 

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0

[klaasend]

This is one of Valentijn's videos on Youtube.  Wonder who's boat this is?

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/07hG0qBogvc&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;color1=0x2b405b&amp;color2=0x6b8ab6&amp;border=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/07hG0qBogvc&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;color1=0x2b405b&amp;color2=0x6b8ab6&amp;border=1</a>

[Magnolia]

This is one of Valentijn's videos on Youtube.  Wonder who's boat this is?

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/07hG0qBogvc&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;color1=0x2b405b&amp;color2=0x6b8ab6&amp;border=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/07hG0qBogvc&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;color1=0x2b405b&amp;color2=0x6b8ab6&amp;border=1</a>

It looks like Paulus steering to me.  it makes no sense that they would live on that rock for nearly 20 years
and not have a boat, especially with three boys. 
An island makes you a little claustrophobic...you need to get off it once in a while.

[2NJSons_Mom]

This is one of Valentijn's videos on Youtube.  Wonder who's boat this is?

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/07hG0qBogvc&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;color1=0x2b405b&amp;color2=0x6b8ab6&amp;border=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/07hG0qBogvc&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;color1=0x2b405b&amp;color2=0x6b8ab6&amp;border=1</a>

Maybe Val should take that video class at Emerson over again.   I couldn't tell...it was too jumpy for me.  I did see the smoke, though.   

[Magnolia]

This is one of Valentijn's videos on Youtube.  Wonder who's boat this is?

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/07hG0qBogvc&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;color1=0x2b405b&amp;color2=0x6b8ab6&amp;border=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/07hG0qBogvc&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;color1=0x2b405b&amp;color2=0x6b8ab6&amp;border=1</a>

Maybe Val should take that video class at Emerson over again.   I couldn't tell...it was too jumpy for me.  I did see the smoke, though.   

The dog thought it was fireworks and got under the bed.

[texasmom]

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/13945/49/



Papiamentu/Google Spanish Translation

mr. norberto tjon ajong-diaz   pomegranates: full movie of Natalee Holloway rond of markets in america

sunday, 22 november 2009 - 20:02

is my newly compiled report give strong evidence cu the film of "Natalee Holloway of sony home entertainment DVD is circulating on national success inside of almost all American state. Click read more for more info ...

the recognized string of huur redbox dvd which is place the film also available here, is one strong evidence cu the movie mentions will give strongly negative impact on one country we aruba, based on the mature cu usage of alcohol, entrance and casino night in sector cu is worded gives 18 year of age which at one United States of 1984 U.S. Congressional law "the National Minimum Drinking Age act or 1984" Owing to all U.S. state of recuiri lever the minimum age of can cumprir, consumers can have in Homeownership and Public at least one year of age of 21. information compiled in one meeting door of my person and continuous conversation colleague cu periodistanan markets at north-east, south-east market, california, current impact of the film refers is one negative for aruba. the demonstration of one faint of infrastructure and enforce penal code hudicial of aruba, for of the cinematography of the film "Natalee Holloway", is and will reenforsa one can continuously insecurity in one American for one holiday scohe aruba destiny. in end of week my person Owing to being informed of one good for fountain inside of "agency of American education," cu cu movecion have one political pressures, for using the movie here "Natalee Holloway" of sony home entertainment on dvd in education sector middle-school in full rond of markets, for using the case here because; ehempel one of the viahe Tourist consecuencianan of one iresponsabel. if this being crystallized, the damage will can is ireparabel for turism Aruba. same analysis according my law if one member of parliament ex ea Aruban sra. monica mr kock Owing to try realism without bra or success in parliament, which "law is the minimum age stipula cu of acquisition, consumption, and entrance in sector Night on territory Aruba at age of 21 year of age," come at force. if the "law here can Inforsa being at 2010 'this will give one good impression internationally and in such context surpasa the movecion of the markets are here inside of one continuous wanted cu boycott aruba movecion of using the case of" Natalee "in editing cinematogrofico Reinforced destinonan in which consumption of less cu 21 year old is being hustifica door of one country. reenforsando stipula and the law here more soon possible at country aruba, aruba we will give one formula on we fought for territory Aruban door of consumption of alcohol is younger cu esnan of 21 year of age, and in such form we place on Aruban national leyna same level for peak tourist destination of we = United States of North America. freelance reporter report of Aruba at markets norberto sb Tjon Ajong

[Magnolia]

 I love the part about the damage is irrepairable for tourism in Aruba.  I think it is repairable if they would quit covering for Joran and Paulus and the rest of the guilty.

Way to go, Beth!!!

[Kermit]

This is one of Valentijn's videos on Youtube.  Wonder who's boat this is?

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/07hG0qBogvc&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;color1=0x2b405b&amp;color2=0x6b8ab6&amp;border=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/07hG0qBogvc&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;color1=0x2b405b&amp;color2=0x6b8ab6&amp;border=1</a>

GO FIGGER!

(from Patrick's book)
P Throwing that body there, Joran, just throwing that girl
overboard a few hundred meters from Aruba and that it did
not wash up, is very weird.
J Yeah.
P There must have been something or other that took her. I
am telling you, there are lots of fish out there, hey?
J Sharks!
P My God, dude!
J Yeah.
P They are so big, dude!
J Yeah. I have seen them. I have—I also have a diving
certificate.



* Joran said he knew Daury his whole life. He grew up with him.
* Joran wanted to talk to his brother when he was in jail
* No statements from the brothers
* Val owns a boat

[texasmom]

I love the part about the damage is irrepairable for tourism in Aruba.  I think it is repairable if they would quit covering for Joran and Paulus and the rest of the guilty.

Way to go, Beth!!!

I love that part too Magnolia.  

[texasmom]

This is one of Valentijn's videos on Youtube.  Wonder who's boat this is?

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/07hG0qBogvc&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;color1=0x2b405b&amp;color2=0x6b8ab6&amp;border=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/07hG0qBogvc&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;color1=0x2b405b&amp;color2=0x6b8ab6&amp;border=1</a>

GO FIGGER!

(from Patrick's book)
P Throwing that body there, Joran, just throwing that girl
overboard a few hundred meters from Aruba and that it did
not wash up, is very weird.
J Yeah.
P There must have been something or other that took her. I
am telling you, there are lots of fish out there, hey?
J Sharks!
P My God, dude!
J Yeah.
P They are so big, dude!
J Yeah. I have seen them. I have—I also have a diving
certificate.



* Joran said he knew Daury his whole life. He grew up with him.
* Joran wanted to talk to his brother when he was in jail
* No statements from the brothers
* Val owns a boat

GREAT to see you Kermit!   

[billb's daughter]

This is one of Valentijn's videos on Youtube.  Wonder who's boat this is?

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/07hG0qBogvc&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;color1=0x2b405b&amp;color2=0x6b8ab6&amp;border=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/07hG0qBogvc&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;color1=0x2b405b&amp;color2=0x6b8ab6&amp;border=1</a>

GO FIGGER!

(from Patrick's book)
P Throwing that body there, Joran, just throwing that girl
overboard a few hundred meters from Aruba and that it did
not wash up, is very weird.
J Yeah.
P There must have been something or other that took her. I
am telling you, there are lots of fish out there, hey?
J Sharks!
P My God, dude!
J Yeah.
P They are so big, dude!
J Yeah. I have seen them. I have—I also have a diving
certificate.



* Joran said he knew Daury his whole life. He grew up with him.
* Joran wanted to talk to his brother when he was in jail
* No statements from the brothers
* Val owns a boat

For me....just another distraction from Patrick...and Peter in support of Patrick and
Peter solving Natalee's disappearance...BS
Now we are to believe that Sharks prevented Natalee from washing up on shore...
Maybe the rock scenario should be re-examined....That's the area of the sharks.....

[Magnolia]

This is one of Valentijn's videos on Youtube.  Wonder who's boat this is?

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/07hG0qBogvc&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;color1=0x2b405b&amp;color2=0x6b8ab6&amp;border=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/07hG0qBogvc&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;color1=0x2b405b&amp;color2=0x6b8ab6&amp;border=1</a>

GO FIGGER!

(from Patrick's book)
P Throwing that body there, Joran, just throwing that girl
overboard a few hundred meters from Aruba and that it did
not wash up, is very weird.
J Yeah.
P There must have been something or other that took her. I
am telling you, there are lots of fish out there, hey?
J Sharks!
P My God, dude!
J Yeah.
P They are so big, dude!
J Yeah. I have seen them. I have—I also have a diving
certificate.



* Joran said he knew Daury his whole life. He grew up with him.
* Joran wanted to talk to his brother when he was in jail
* No statements from the brothers
* Val owns a boat

It's about time!!!
I was about to send out the Frog Patrol.
I thought you had been gigged.

[billb's daughter]

Natalee was in the cage...OM/Richardson took advantage of Peter/Patrick tapes to further their agenda to deny persistence discovery....persistence group was paid off to remain quiet....through their own creed.....they accepted the payoff...
Peter/Patrick made out going with the tapes to provide closure for Beth....Haven't heard that Dave embrace that scenario...

[billb's daughter]

Natalee was in the cage...OM/Richardson took advantage of Peter/Patrick tapes to further their agenda to deny persistence discovery....persistence group was paid off to remain quiet....through their own greed.....they accepted the payoff...
Peter/Patrick made out going with the tapes to provide closure for Beth....Haven't heard that Dave embrace that scenario...

self edit///

[Tamikosmom]

 

Hi billb

If human remains are contained within a trap ... those remains cannot wash to shore.

Janet

++++++

The Trap/Cage - Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words
 
"I found the trap on 1:45am Christmas morning. I got the OK to begin our ROV dive series for the 29th, so I made it our first dive. We got visual of the fish trap and that it was suspicious. Basically, the fish trap door was open and there appeared to be a skull and torso-shape in sand on the door inside the trap.  Reviewing the 29-Dec video I noticed the torso shape in sand had a 90 degree angle and that the sand was supported from falling through the bottom of the trap, which was slightly excavated by currents. I proportioned out the distance from the top of the head, to shoulder, to that 90 degree angle and it was a match to Natalee's photo of her standing -head, to shoulder, to the end of her denim skirt."

Kermit - scaredmonkeys.net

 
The Persistance - ROV Images
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355959#msg355959

[Tamikosmom]

Natalee was in the cage...OM/Richardson took advantage of Peter/Patrick tapes to further their agenda to deny persistence discovery....persistence group was paid off to remain quiet....through their own creed.....they accepted the payoff...
Peter/Patrick made out going with the tapes to provide closure for Beth....Haven't heard that Dave embrace that scenario...

I agree.

Did Peter Devries sincerely believe that Hans Mos and Dolphi Richards would be pleased with the Range Rover recording if it did not conform to the Aruban cover up agenda ... if the cage/trap was an issue.  Richardson had been controlling the corrupt investigation from behind the scenes since the getgo.

When I read the following words of Devries ... I felt that something was hinky.

Janet

+++++++

On the Record w/ Greta - February 8, 2008

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: All right. Now, when you showed that tape to Hans Mos, the chief prosecutor, what did he say to you?

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH CRIME REPORTER:: Oh, he was, of course, very happy. And there was also the police commissioner, Dolph Richardson. And when he was looking at the tape, he said to me, Can you please pinch me in the arm because this is what we are waiting for.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


On the Record w/ Greta - April 5, 2006

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Why would Dompig want off this case? He has just gone on CBS 48 hours and said he was at a critical stage in this investigation. That is what they told 48 hours and he also said he believes it is alcohol and drugs. Making a rather profound announcement and then on Monday says he wants off.

JULIA RENFRO, EDITOR, ARUBA TODAY: Well, he actually said this last September. He was only suppose to be on the case for about six weeks. He was actually manhandling two positions by doing both the Noord district as well as the Oranjestad district. So, you know, this was a hefty handful here and Richardson who has been on the case since day one under Van der Straaten has continued on in Van der Straaten’s position. So it is really not as comical as people are making it out to be.