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Topic: Natalee Case Discussion #826 11/07/09 - 12/09/09 (Read 494247 times)
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billb's daughter
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #826 11/07/09 -
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Reply #700 on:
November 23, 2009, 01:10:37 AM »
Quote from: texasmom on November 23, 2009, 01:00:38 AM
Quote from: texasmom on November 23, 2009, 12:57:26 AM
Quote from: texasmom on November 23, 2009, 12:21:33 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/SMJ5Bm73t64&hl=en_US&fs=1&rel=0
Video uploaded Feb 8, 2008
I don't know if Dave's opinion has changed, I have no knowledge that is has. Shortly after the taped confession was aired he said:
"I
do
believe the confession, without any doubt."
edit
Of course Dave wants to believe in Feb 2008....what about his later searches?...
You can only have it one way...time tells...
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #826 11/07/09 -
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November 23, 2009, 01:14:41 AM »
Quote from: billb on November 23, 2009, 01:02:03 AM
Quote from: Magnolia on November 23, 2009, 12:30:40 AM
I have always seen the legs folded and you can even see where her feet were.
I figured they just threw the sandals in the cage along with Joran's one tennis shoe.
Now why would "they' do that?
And who were "they"?
Honey, I am just blonde and blissful.....you figure it out.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #826 11/07/09 -
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Reply #702 on:
November 23, 2009, 01:14:54 AM »
Quote from: billb on November 23, 2009, 01:02:03 AM
Quote from: Magnolia on November 23, 2009, 12:30:40 AM
I have always seen the legs folded and you can even see where her feet were.
I figured they just threw the sandals in the cage along with Joran's one tennis shoe.
Now why would "they' do that?
And who were "they"?
According to Joran van der Sloot's Range Rover confession ... it was only Daury. If Kyle Kingman's words are to be believed ... Daury was one busy boy that night if the trap/cage enters the equation.
Janet
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Range Rover Transcript
PATRICK: Did you put her in the sea, alone?
JORAN: Yes.
PATRICK: Nobody helped?
JORAN: Somebody, who I trust, I am not giving his name, not my parents, somebody I trustl. I know people who could help me, I'm not naming names. It's not my parents, it was a friend, with a boat.
THE COMPLETE STORY
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case
PETER DEVRIES: Together they carried the girl from the beach into Daury’s boat. Daury tells Joran to walk home. He, the friend, takes off onto the ocean where he throws Natalee’s body out of the boat into the sea. After that he visits Joran at his home, he has an apartment in the garden of his parent’s house, to talk about what happened.
http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm
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“A person of integrity expects to be believed and when he’s not, he let’s time prove him right.” -unknown
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #826 11/07/09 -
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November 23, 2009, 01:19:17 AM »
Quote from: Magnolia on November 23, 2009, 01:14:41 AM
Quote from: billb on November 23, 2009, 01:02:03 AM
Quote from: Magnolia on November 23, 2009, 12:30:40 AM
I have always seen the legs folded and you can even see where her feet were.
I figured they just threw the sandals in the cage along with Joran's one tennis shoe.
Now why would "they' do that?
And who were "they"?
Honey, I am just blonde and blissful.....you figure it out.
Mags...you give yourself to much credit......
scroll on by my posts....
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #826 11/07/09 -
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Quote from: billb on November 23, 2009, 01:19:17 AM
Quote from: Magnolia on November 23, 2009, 01:14:41 AM
Quote from: billb on November 23, 2009, 01:02:03 AM
Quote from: Magnolia on November 23, 2009, 12:30:40 AM
I have always seen the legs folded and you can even see where her feet were.
I figured they just threw the sandals in the cage along with Joran's one tennis shoe.
Now why would "they' do that?
And who were "they"?
Honey, I am just blonde and blissful.....you figure it out.
Mags...you give yourself to much credit......
scroll on by my posts....
Even when they are directed at me? That hardly seems fair for heavens sakes.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #826 11/07/09 -
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Reply #705 on:
November 23, 2009, 01:24:38 AM »
Quote from: billb on November 23, 2009, 01:10:37 AM
Quote from: texasmom on November 23, 2009, 01:00:38 AM
Quote from: texasmom on November 23, 2009, 12:57:26 AM
Quote from: texasmom on November 23, 2009, 12:21:33 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/SMJ5Bm73t64&hl=en_US&fs=1&rel=0
Video uploaded Feb 8, 2008
I don't know if Dave's opinion has changed, I have no knowledge that is has. Shortly after the taped confession was aired he said:
"I
do
believe the confession, without any doubt."
edit
Of course Dave wants to believe in Feb 2008....what about his later searches?...
You can only have it one way...time tells...
billb
For about one week ...
I was a believer too
. Then I got to thinking ... ONLY Joran was implicated ... implicated in a misdemeanor under Dutch Law in the disposal of a body. Only ONE truth ... the truth regarding the siezure could be backed up by the archives. All other words that spewed out of Joran van der Sloots mouth were lies ... lies that can be proven by the archives.
Think about it. Deepak, Satish and Paulus were distanced from any involved in the happenings that encompassed the morning of May 30, 2005.
Janet
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #826 11/07/09 -
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November 23, 2009, 01:26:43 AM »
Glad to to see ya Billb.Dialogue is where it's at.Cold cases DON'T get solved without reverting back to old evidence,old statements and,using what you have to decipher the closest thing to the truth.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #826 11/07/09 -
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Reply #707 on:
November 23, 2009, 01:27:50 AM »
Quote from: Tamikosmom on November 23, 2009, 01:14:54 AM
Quote from: billb on November 23, 2009, 01:02:03 AM
Quote from: Magnolia on November 23, 2009, 12:30:40 AM
I have always seen the legs folded and you can even see where her feet were.
I figured they just threw the sandals in the cage along with Joran's one tennis shoe.
Now why would "they' do that?
And who were "they"?
According to Joran van der Sloot's Range Rover confession ... it was only Daury. If Kyle Kingman's words are to be believed ... Daury was one busy boy that night if the trap/cage enters the equation.
Janet
++++++
Range Rover Transcript
PATRICK: Did you put her in the sea, alone?
JORAN: Yes.
PATRICK: Nobody helped?
JORAN: Somebody, who I trust, I am not giving his name, not my parents, somebody I trustl. I know people who could help me, I'm not naming names. It's not my parents, it was a friend, with a boat.
THE COMPLETE STORY
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case
PETER DEVRIES: Together they carried the girl from the beach into Daury’s boat. Daury tells Joran to walk home. He, the friend, takes off onto the ocean where he throws Natalee’s body out of the boat into the sea. After that he visits Joran at his home, he has an apartment in the garden of his parent’s house, to talk about what happened.
http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm
Peter may have a future chapter that explains his shortcomings with his previous revelations...which, imo...fall far short of declaring Justice for Natalee...
I look forward to it...until then...did I mention....peter fall short of declaring Justice for Natalee...
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #826 11/07/09 -
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November 23, 2009, 01:29:17 AM »
Quote from: Magnolia on November 23, 2009, 01:23:30 AM
Quote from: billb on November 23, 2009, 01:19:17 AM
Quote from: Magnolia on November 23, 2009, 01:14:41 AM
Quote from: billb on November 23, 2009, 01:02:03 AM
Quote from: Magnolia on November 23, 2009, 12:30:40 AM
I have always seen the legs folded and you can even see where her feet were.
I figured they just threw the sandals in the cage along with Joran's one tennis shoe.
Now why would "they' do that?
And who were "they"?
Honey, I am just blonde and blissful.....you figure it out.
Mags...you give yourself to much credit......
scroll on by my posts....
Even when they are directed at me? That hardly seems fair for heavens sakes.
My bad...tired of you beating up on other posters...moo...
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #826 11/07/09 -
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November 23, 2009, 01:31:02 AM »
Quote from: Keepthefaith on November 23, 2009, 01:26:43 AM
Glad to to see ya Billb.Dialogue is where it's at.Cold cases DON'T get solved without reverting back to old evidence,old statements and,using what you have to decipher the closest thing to the truth.
Glad to see you too Keepthefaith....
we are on the same page.....
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #826 11/07/09 -
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November 23, 2009, 01:34:49 AM »
A REMINDER
Quote from: Tamikosmom on November 04, 2009, 11:54:38 AM
Quote from: billb on November 03, 2009, 12:44:43 AM
Without open discussions...
we go nowhere
......
There was a time when Hans Mos, John Silvetti, Kyle Kingman and the four-headed CapLockWizard were held above reproach by many in regards to furthering the cause of justice for Natalee Holloway. Thankfully open discussion was afforded to those with opposing positions and ... the truth was allowed to prevail.
Janet
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Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day. I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me. It's not easy. I ask God to help me.
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“A person of integrity expects to be believed and when he’s not, he let’s time prove him right.” -unknown
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #826 11/07/09 -
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November 23, 2009, 01:35:21 AM »
I'm not sure what the problem is here.
We have people with different points of view in a case that is over 4 years old. Should everyone have the same exact opinion? Can anyone here really discount all possibilities?
I like it much better when we are beating up on the Sloots and Kalpoes rather than ourselves
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #826 11/07/09 -
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Good Night All
Janet
10:35 PM PT
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Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day. I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me. It's not easy. I ask God to help me.
_____
“A person of integrity expects to be believed and when he’s not, he let’s time prove him right.” -unknown
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #826 11/07/09 -
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Reply #713 on:
November 23, 2009, 01:36:20 AM »
Quote from: billb on November 23, 2009, 01:29:17 AM
Quote from: Magnolia on November 23, 2009, 01:23:30 AM
Quote from: billb on November 23, 2009, 01:19:17 AM
Quote from: Magnolia on November 23, 2009, 01:14:41 AM
Quote from: billb on November 23, 2009, 01:02:03 AM
Quote from: Magnolia on November 23, 2009, 12:30:40 AM
I have always seen the legs folded and you can even see where her feet were.
I figured they just threw the sandals in the cage along with Joran's one tennis shoe.
Now why would "they' do that?
And who were "they"?
Honey, I am just blonde and blissful.....you figure it out.
Mags...you give yourself to much credit......
scroll on by my posts....
Even when they are directed at me? That hardly seems fair for heavens sakes.
My bad...tired of you beating up on other posters...moo...
I believe that you have that reversed. I believe you told me that I wore it well...speaking of ignorance is bliss.
You told me I have myself too much credit
and You told me I am beating up on other posters.
I haven't said an unkind word to anyone. I believe if you read your own posts you will see who is the bully.
It is not Magnolia.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #826 11/07/09 -
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Quote from: Tamikosmom on November 23, 2009, 01:34:49 AM
A REMINDER
Quote from: Tamikosmom on November 04, 2009, 11:54:38 AM
Quote from: billb on November 03, 2009, 12:44:43 AM
Without open discussions...
we go nowhere
......
There was a time when Hans Mos, John Silvetti, Kyle Kingman and the four-headed CapLockWizard were held above reproach by many in regards to furthering the cause of justice for Natalee Holloway. Thankfully open discussion was afforded to those with opposing positions and ... the truth was allowed to prevail.
Janet
Right on Janet....
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #826 11/07/09 -
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Quote from: billb on November 23, 2009, 01:31:02 AM
Quote from: Keepthefaith on November 23, 2009, 01:26:43 AM
Glad to to see ya Billb.Dialogue is where it's at.Cold cases DON'T get solved without reverting back to old evidence,old statements and,using what you have to decipher the closest thing to the truth.
Glad to see you too Keepthefaith....
we are on the same page.....
I've always had faith,in the fact that most are here for Natalee.We,as monkey's,have had some difficult moments with our convictions and where we stand as individuals.I've been chastised by those I had no respect for,some that I have respect for but,I don't take it personally because i'm not here for them!PERIOD!I'm here for Justice....
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #826 11/07/09 -
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Quote from: Tamikosmom on November 23, 2009, 01:35:40 AM
Good Night All
Janet
10:35 PM PT
GoodNight Janet!
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #826 11/07/09 -
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Quote from: klaasend on November 23, 2009, 01:35:21 AM
I'm not sure what the problem is here.
We have people with different points of view in a case that is over 4 years old. Should everyone have the same exact opinion? Can anyone here really discount all possibilities?
I like it much better when we are beating up on the Sloots and Kalpoes rather than ourselves
Me too Klaasend!!
Open discussion is the path we seek for Justice for Natalee....
When a post doesn't live up to my expectations...I scroll on by....
but when a poster/posters gang up on a poster because of their opinion...I need to challenge it....
So...lets get back to the reason we are here...Justice for Natalee....
urine/pualass/urine/k2 are the perps.....everything else is a sideshow.....
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #826 11/07/09 -
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Hi Monkeys,
Speaking of looking at old data, and checking every dtail/checking it twice..
I have been reviewing the various videos of the R/V Persistence search, and noticed something in one of the videos that I either had not caught or did not remember. It was video with John Silvetti, regarding Joran's statement indicating that Natalee's body was "slipped" into the ocean. With the keyword "slipped", it led crew member(s) on the Persistence to believe there was a cage/trap or at least weights involved, as Joran did not use the word "throw" or "rolled" as in threw overboard or rolled overboard.
Somehow I just don't recall the "slipping" in this video before.
About 4:45 minutes into the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8GKU7VEcSM
Credit for Video: Carpe (Thank you Carpe - I miss you!)
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #826 11/07/09 -
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Reply #719 on:
November 23, 2009, 01:48:06 AM »
Quote from: Magnolia on November 23, 2009, 01:36:20 AM
Quote from: billb on November 23, 2009, 01:29:17 AM
Quote from: Magnolia on November 23, 2009, 01:23:30 AM
Quote from: billb on November 23, 2009, 01:19:17 AM
Quote from: Magnolia on November 23, 2009, 01:14:41 AM
Quote from: billb on November 23, 2009, 01:02:03 AM
Quote from: Magnolia on November 23, 2009, 12:30:40 AM
I have always seen the legs folded and you can even see where her feet were.
I figured they just threw the sandals in the cage along with Joran's one tennis shoe.
Now why would "they' do that?
And who were "they"?
Honey, I am just blonde and blissful.....you figure it out.
Mags...you give yourself to much credit......
scroll on by my posts....
Even when they are directed at me? That hardly seems fair for heavens sakes.
My bad...tired of you beating up on other posters...moo...
I believe that you have that reversed. I believe you told me that I wore it well...speaking of ignorance is bliss.
You told me I have myself too much credit
and You told me I am beating up on other posters.
I haven't said an unkind word to anyone. I believe if you read your own posts you will see who is the bully.
It is not Magnolia.
You win Magnolia....look at your posts to Janet..
Lets call a truce....
Lets move on to finding Justice for Natalee...
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===> Serial Killers and Their Possible Victims
===> Unsolved Crimes
=====> Finally Solved
===> Haleigh Marie Cummings - Florida
===> Adji Desir - Florida
===> Somer Renee Thompson 7 yo, Orange Park FL 10/19/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Tracy Ocasio - Orlando/Ocoee, Florida
===> Shaniya Nicole Davis, 5 Fayetteville, NC Missing 11/10/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Holly Bobo, 20yrs old missing Parsons, TN 4/13/11
===> Hailey Dunn - 13yrs old - Colorado City, TX missing 12/27/10 (Body Found)
===> Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (BODY FOUND)
===> Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09
===> Amber Leeanne Dubois 14yrs old - Escondido, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
===> Sandra Cantu, 8 years old - Tracy, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Madeleine McCann - Portugal
===> Christine Marie Sheddy - missing since 11/13/2007 - Maryland(BODY FOUND)
===> Nevaeh Amyah Buchanan 5yr Monroe Michigan(BODY FOUND)
===> Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Tempe AZ-San Antonio TX
===> Stacy Ann Peterson missing & Kathleen Savio murdered - Illinois
===> Zahra Clare Baker - 10yrs old Hickory, NC (Body Found)
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Natalee Holloway
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Important Case Documents
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