Natalee Case Discussion #826 11/07/09 - 12/09/09

[Edward]

This one on Inflatable boats built for Drug Runners..
http://www.snopes.com/photos/boats/drugrunner.asp

They have a low Radar Signiture.
"Means invisable."

[Magnolia]

That compiled information and request for help has now been sent to Peter DeVries, and also to Hero Brinkman 

Thank you SO MUCH all of you wonderful Monkeys for helping out with this!!


 

Thanks Jen for putting it all together.

I'll bet the dinghy for the Tatoo is a RIB or Daurry boat.

[Edward]

So it would be my bet that Joran and Steve Croes understand drug runners and how they operate.. and that the inflatable has a low signature on Aruba Radar.

Plus these type of boats stow away easy on a boat like the Tattoo.
They are inflated when needed.

[Magnolia]

So it would be my bet that Joran and Steve Croes understand drug runners and how they operate.. and that the inflatable has a low signature on Aruba Radar.

Plus these type of boats stow away easy on a boat like the Tattoo.
They are inflated when needed.

Plus they are good for wave jumping like in the choppy waters caused by the trade winds in Aruba.

[Buckeye]

From RU


GBMW  PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 3:20 pm         

the Joran paragraph complete:

****
he's talking about many tips that have come in after the show of last Sunday and then the paragraph of Joran:

Joran
More than anything I'd like to dive into those tips on full-speed myself, but then, I can't really say that this coming Sunday's broadcast will be cancelled because I've kind of lost myself in several tips. One has to compromise a bit often, we're just like the police sometimes. Apart from that I can reveal now that the broadcast of Sunday will be very interesting. We'll return on the subject of Joran van der Sloot for the first time since a long time... How about that?

Peter R. de Vries


BTW; Peter will be on RTL Boulevard tomorrow....could be he'll talk about it.

[Edward]

Here is a patent on such a craft..
US Patent 5517939 - Thermoplastic bottom inflatable boat


The craft is also constructed of "radar invisible" materials which are highly energy absorbing. By increasing material thickness the unit can be made bullet proof. These features combined with its stackability, ultralight weight, and its ability to be four colour screen printed in "camouflage" make the craft ideally and uniquely suited to military purposes.

http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5517939/description.html

Anyways I hope that helps everyone.

Jossy saying that the radar was down means very little.. because de boat was invisable to Radar is my point.

 

[wreck]

My "great" hunch was that "Daury"  was actually a nickname for Dolf Richardson  -- but what if it was BOTH a nickname for Dolf AND his "boat"????

[Kermit]

[jen3560]

From RU


GBMW  PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 3:20 pm         

the Joran paragraph complete:

****
he's talking about many tips that have come in after the show of last Sunday and then the paragraph of Joran:

Joran
More than anything I'd like to dive into those tips on full-speed myself, but then, I can't really say that this coming Sunday's broadcast will be cancelled because I've kind of lost myself in several tips. One has to compromise a bit often, we're just like the police sometimes. Apart from that I can reveal now that the broadcast of Sunday will be very interesting. We'll return on the subject of Joran van der Sloot for the first time since a long time... How about that?

Peter R. de Vries


BTW; Peter will be on RTL Boulevard tomorrow....could be he'll talk about it.

Wow!  Thanks Buckeye!

Talk about great timing.

Magnolia - I could just kiss you for finding that site!!

[jen3560]

My "great" hunch was that "Daury"  was actually a nickname for Dolf Richardson  -- but what if it was BOTH a nickname for Dolf AND his "boat"????

Now wouldn't that be something.......

[jen3560]

Thank you Edward.  I'm getting educated from all your posts!

[Kermit]

That compiled information and request for help has now been sent to Peter DeVries, and also to Hero Brinkman 

Thank you SO MUCH all of you wonderful Monkeys for helping out with this!!


 

Thank you Jen. Great job!
 

[jen3560]

Hiya kerm honey!! 

[jen3560]

That compiled information and request for help has now been sent to Peter DeVries, and also to Hero Brinkman 

Thank you SO MUCH all of you wonderful Monkeys for helping out with this!!


 

Thank you Jen. Great job!
 

Hey!!  Who you callin a Ho Ho Ho?!?!?!?

 

[jen3560]

Kyle Kingman posts


March 18, 2008, 09:28:45 AM
Any ideas of who may have possessed such a trap?
Approx. 7.5 x 7.5 x 2.5ft, and 200-300lbs, hundreds of feet of rope complete with 4-point rigging. 
 
 
March 18, 2008, 11:32:30 AM
This trap was not lowered by crane, or whatever because it wasn't situated in a position that demonstrated "lowering", unless one end was really weighted down? I would think the ropes etc, to the crane would level it?
-Lowering by a windlass or winch would not explain the impact depression from one corner of the trap.  If it were leveled, one would assume it would fall level.  This is further supported because the 4-point rigging was still on the trap.

on: March 18, 2008, 10:21:41 AM
Other notes:
- The location is in the lee of the island, which makes the location somewhat weather protected and therefore less likely to have been lost during a storm.
- The trap appears to be in it's original location, as evident by an impact depression in the seabed clearly seen in the sonar.
-It appears the trap hit the bottom very hard as in a free fall.  One corner hit just before the others and the trap seemingly "bounced" a few feet and remained in its current position and orientation.
 
March 18, 2008, 11:03:52 AM
It's impossible to tell with any precision, but we are in agreement that the trap was not recently dropped at the time of it's discovery.  By recent, I mean disposed the same season as when it was found.  From the level of marine growth and decomposition of the trap's rigging, tubular metal frame, and square coated wire mesh, the time involved would be on the order of years, but not 10s of years.  Neither the condition of the trap or state of the items found inside the trap preclude a disposal at or near the time of Natalee's disappearance
 
 
March 19, 2008, 03:13:55 PM
We are really limited to ballpark estimates.  The trap wasn't recently lost, as in lost this season. If I had to guess based on the condition of the frame, mesh, rigging and contents, I would say it has been there on the order of several years, but certainly not 10s of years, and certainly more than a year. The amount of deterioration is in my opinion consistent with what you would expect after 2 1/2 years, but this does not confirm or deny anything and is just my opinion

[Kermit]

That compiled information and request for help has now been sent to Peter DeVries, and also to Hero Brinkman 

Thank you SO MUCH all of you wonderful Monkeys for helping out with this!!


 

Thank you Jen. Great job!
 

Hey!!  Who you callin a Ho Ho Ho?!?!?!?

 

LOL

Victoria Secret has panties that say Ho Ho Ho on the butt.
If this boat thing pans out - I'll buy a pair and send it to Joran.

[Kiwi]

Just a side note on this hull design. Since its bottom is mostly flat, this allows the boat to beach anywhere on the shore line. A traditional hull would not be able to beach in a rocky shore line without damage.

[Kermit]

[jen3560]

Kyle Kingman post

March 19 2008


*My post to Kyle, so as not to be taken out of context 

Kyle,

When you say the rigging was intact on that trap............could you explain a bit further?

Did it look to you like anything (ropes, cables) had been cut? Unraveled? Thus leading to an accidental loss of the trap from a boat?

Or did it appear to you that by it being "intact" that it had been specifically dropped from a boat - without loss of integrity of rigging?


Kyle wrote:

There was litteraly hundreds of feet of rope piled on the seafloor to the WNW of the trap. This is interesting because the WNW is the prevailing current direction. To me, this indicates the boat the trap was dropped from was adrift when the trap was lost! The rope was spread out over 50-100ft WNW of the trap in disorganized piles consistence with how rope would lay if it were dropped and settling on the bottom as the boat drifts away from the initial drop point. There were no buoys, floats, or markers evident from the dive videos. There was no indication of the rigging breaking. The very shallow water relative to the amount of rope found intact on the seabed near the trap suggests the trap was discarded, rather than lost in my opinion. Bear in mind that fishermen do not fish with large commercial traps any where near this area. Further, there are no significant seabed obstructions for the trap to have gotten hung up on.

[jen3560]

Just a side note on this hull design. Since its bottom is mostly flat, this allows the boat to beach anywhere on the shore line. A traditional hull would not be able to beach in a rocky shore line without damage.

Great point Kiwi!!