Caylee Marie Anthony #151 11/4/09 - 11/20/09

[crazybabyborg]

Good Morning!!   

[crazybabyborg]

I really thought that George's earrings were a seasick disc. However, I've been looking for them on the net, and they seem to be all worn behind, not on the ear. I just can't believe that he'd wear earrings, but I keep forgetting that this whole family is just bizarre.

I'm not sure what my reaction would be under these horrific circumstances, but getting tattooed, taking a cruise on the dime of exploiting my murdered grandaughter, and hitting a mid life crisis would NOT be it!   

[Fanny Mae]

I really thought that George's earrings were a seasick disc. However, I've been looking for them on the net, and they seem to be all worn behind, not on the ear. I just can't believe that he'd wear earrings, but I keep forgetting that this whole family is just bizarre.

I'm not sure what my reaction would be under these horrific circumstances, but getting tattooed, taking a cruise on the dime of exploiting my murdered grandaughter, and hitting a mid life crisis would NOT be it!   

I saw a pic somewhere of George where you could really see the stud, and it was really some kind of fake or real diamond. There was one in each ear. DUFUS!!!

[trimmonthelake]

http://www.bloggernews.net/122914
Haleigh Anthony & Caylee Anthony – BNN Radio Wrap Up Nov 8
Posted on November 9th, 2009
by Simon Barrett in crime
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It was the usual interesting 90 minutes. Our panel consisted of Simon and Jan Barrett, TJ Hart, and William Cobra Stuabs. Denny Griffin was unable to be with us, however in his place we had fellow Blog Talk Radio host Levi Page. Levi has been following both the Haleigh Cummings and Caylee Anthony cases, and it was interesting to get a new perspective on them.

We started off on the Caylee Anthony case, late last week the prosecution released another huge dump of documents. Some people are even speculating this in this release is a speck of pure gold that will seal Casey Anthony’s fate. A syringe with traces of chloroform in it. The other interesting document is from an insect specialist, who claims that Coffin flies were found both in the truck of Casey’s car and also at the location where the remains were found.

On the Haleigh Cummings story it was a relatively slow week with little of any substance directly pertaining to the search being released.

On the periphery though there was still lots to talk about. The internet has been awash with allegations that one of the several Haleigh forums is in fact being run by a man who is a convicted child molester. The claims are that in the early 1990’s he raped two girls under the age of 14.

There is also a good deal of speculation doing the rounds about the so called benefit concert held in Austin, Texas. The proceeds of which were supposed to go to Tim Miller’s Equusearch group, Levi Page has been doing some investigation and revealed on air that he has spoken with TES and they have received no money whatsoever from this event. Clearly tickets were sold, although how many is a huge unknown. One set of rumors has it that sales were far less than anticipated, and after costs there was nothing left to donate. This scenario makes for a certain omount sense, while the Haleigh Cumming story has garnered nation and even international attention, holding a cencert in Austin is akin to holding a fund-raiser for your local small town High School Marching Band three states away! Why didn’t the band hold this benefit in Gainsville, Jacksonville, or Ocala, where the Haleigh story is so much better known?

Misty Croslin’s uncle Tommy managed to get himself arrested over a drug issue, and Ruby Kanger’s legal problems continue on in Kentucky.

It appears thet Ronald Cummings via his lawyer has retained at least one private investigator.  I guess Ron himself is too busy chasing exotic dancers to be out searching for his missing daughter!

You can hear the discussion about Caylee Anthony and Haleigh Cummings here.

Once again I would like to thank Levi Page for bringing his insight into the cases, and do hope that he will be participating in future programs.

Simon and Jan Barrett

[Wyks]

Wyks-  Excellent!!!!  I think you are spot on with your comments here.  George's angry (enraged, livid, barely contained) outburst of "The person that was in the back of my daughter's car...." was one of the most damaging public statements he's ever made.  Obviously, he outright admitted that there was, in fact, a person in the back of Casey's car.  Moreover, how did HE know that and how did HE know it wasn't Caylee?  Only one of two choices:  Casey told him (which means he knew there was a body in the back of the car at some point-BIG problem for him) or George saw the body himself (even bigger problem given his numerous LE, Grand Jury, state's attorney depos, and ZG depos) and by Lee & Cindy's own accounts, he's the car detailer in the family (Accessory after the fact, Perjury, Obstruction of Justice, Destruction of Evidence, more?).  You accurately pinned George's statement.  In his mind, at that stage of the game (and it was a game to Casey, Cindy, and George- "Hide and No Seek"), he was unable and consciously-subconsciously unwilling to reconcile what he saw in Casey's trunk (IMO) with his leaving, breathing, laughing, playing grandchild.  He was also completely unwilling to believe Casey had killed her.  The overwhelming concern in their minds was taking care of the "problem" by getting rid of the evidence ASAP, IMO.

Additionally, he's the only family member who's thrown up repeatedly when discussing this with LE.  This is significant in itself, but more so in light of his LE employment.  His physical discomfort is a direct manifestation of his fear of LE.  Notice George is angry, defiant, rude, and contemptuous with Morgan & Morgan and the State's Attorneys.  He is smart alecky and contemptuous in court, but not physically sick.  You could almost see the fear and panic rising, when George misinterpreted the line of questioning in the ZG depos.  He thought they were actually questioning him about the last time he saw Caylee.  Within seconds, he became belligerent, almost to the point of hysteria.  His fear and panic, even as the question was still being asked, was nearly palpable.  You could almost "see" him sharply inhale and recoil.  That fear, combined with his recollection of the event, and anger at the people reminding him and "questioning" him about it, provoked his extreme reaction.  ITA with LE, George is a man who knows a lot about a lot of things.  JMOO

Having said that, I empathize in the sense that it would be indescribably traumatic to see the remains of your family member.  Beyond that point, choices were made with the specific goal in mind to get Casey off.  MOO     

Thanks, ISpy!! 

I agree with what you've said here as well.  Which is just one more reason I'm looking at LE in this case with such a mixture of amazement and disgust.  For THIS much (and more) having been done/said by 'other players' in this case, why have there been no further arrrests?  Just gotta wonder if they EVER are going to arrest anyone else for, as you've mentioned, 'Accessory after the fact, Perjury, Obstruction of Justice, Destruction of Evidence, more?'  Had either you, me, or the postman etc, dared to do ANY of what the A's have done/said, our butts would have been nailed to the wall the very first occasion. 

So then I've thought... hmmmm... maybe LE is just biding their time, letting the rope out bit by bit - the one that the A's and whomever may just hang themselves with.  But for pete's sake, how much rope do they need to hang em high?  Sigh.  What possibly could they be waiting on?  Would it jeopardize Casey's case/trial were they to make further arrests now?  Could they be holding off possible future arrests until after her trial?  I just want someone to tell me, assure me, (if possible, lol) that the A's will NOT act in these ways and totally get away with it.  And somehow, it seems that they, under the guise of 'being supportive', blah blah, are only memorializing Caylee by saying 'nanny nanny boo boo', we'll do what we friggin please.   


 

[Wyks]

where were the other passengers when the photo of the A;s were laying out on the deck of the cruise ship? didn't anyone else want to be around them? only the 4 of them there..


in their private moments, don't you imagine that there has been a time when they have admitted to each other that Casey did murder Caylee? how can they keep lying for that slore? what are they hiding about themselves?

Good points, Cookie! 

Am kind of wondering if, while on that cruise, the A's and Mallory were given 'celebrity status', with the other passengers being cleared from the area before that photo op was done.  Kind of makes it seem that they simply all donned their swim suits, flagged down a passing ship, and hopped aboard just long enough for that pic.   

[CasuallyCool]

I really thought that George's earrings were a seasick disc. However, I've been looking for them on the net, and they seem to be all worn behind, not on the ear. I just can't believe that he'd wear earrings, but I keep forgetting that this whole family is just bizarre.

I'm not sure what my reaction would be under these horrific circumstances, but getting tattooed, taking a cruise on the dime of exploiting my murdered grandaughter, and hitting a mid life crisis would NOT be it!   

You could be right, rosebuddy may not know the proper place to wear a seasick disc. I remember a monkey mentioning that while on the cruise, mushroom head told rosebuudy to put a potato in his swim trucks - and rosebuddy put it in the back, not the front.

[Fanny Mae]

I really thought that George's earrings were a seasick disc. However, I've been looking for them on the net, and they seem to be all worn behind, not on the ear. I just can't believe that he'd wear earrings, but I keep forgetting that this whole family is just bizarre.

I'm not sure what my reaction would be under these horrific circumstances, but getting tattooed, taking a cruise on the dime of exploiting my murdered grandaughter, and hitting a mid life crisis would NOT be it!   

You could be right, rosebuddy may not know the proper place to wear a seasick disc. I remember a monkey mentioning that while on the cruise, mushroom head told rosebuudy to put a potato in his swim trucks - and rosebuddy put it in the back, not the front.

I wish it had been my rotten potato and he sat on it. 

[cookie]

I really thought that George's earrings were a seasick disc. However, I've been looking for them on the net, and they seem to be all worn behind, not on the ear. I just can't believe that he'd wear earrings, but I keep forgetting that this whole family is just bizarre.

I'm not sure what my reaction would be under these horrific circumstances, but getting tattooed, taking a cruise on the dime of exploiting my murdered grandaughter, and hitting a mid life crisis would NOT be it!   

You could be right, rosebuddy may not know the proper place to wear a seasick disc. I remember a monkey mentioning that while on the cruise, mushroom head told rosebuudy to put a potato in his swim trucks - and rosebuddy put it in the back, not the front.

lol! he would have needed a speedo suit for the needed effect though! ewwwwwww....

[CasuallyCool]

I really thought that George's earrings were a seasick disc. However, I've been looking for them on the net, and they seem to be all worn behind, not on the ear. I just can't believe that he'd wear earrings, but I keep forgetting that this whole family is just bizarre.

I'm not sure what my reaction would be under these horrific circumstances, but getting tattooed, taking a cruise on the dime of exploiting my murdered grandaughter, and hitting a mid life crisis would NOT be it!   

You could be right, rosebuddy may not know the proper place to wear a seasick disc. I remember a monkey mentioning that while on the cruise, mushroom head told rosebuudy to put a potato in his swim trucks - and rosebuddy put it in the back, not the front.

I wish it had been my rotten potato and he sat on it. 

[monkalicious]

Reading back over Pgs. 43-44 reminded me...Does anyone else think it's odd that Caylee named her doll Mama?  I've known lots of little toddler girls and on up and I've never heard one name a doll Mama.  Almost without exception, they name them after a TV show character, family member (like sisters, cousins, aunts), family friends, playmates, or book characters.  I wonder if Caylee named her after the mama in Suppertime For Freida Fuzzypaws?

I had a Mama doll ... my first dollie and my alltime favorite.  I still have her packed away after all these years as she was my most cherished possession - my best toy.   The Mama doll stems from the many, many manufactured dolls that when you bend them forward and then backward in a rocking motion, there is a mechanism inside the cloth tummy which makes a sound saying: "Mama" ...  More than likely, Cindy had a Mama doll too, or ... Caylee's litle doll also had the same sound mechanism.  I really don't think the fact that Caylee's dollie was called "Mama" means anything at all.

I'm just jumping in, I haven't read anything else, so please forgive me if this has been covered.  I seem to recall that Cindy said that the Mama doll had been Casey's as a little girl.   I could sort of see that, they gave it to her and said this is "Mama's doll", trying to explain it, and the name stuck.  That's what I remember, but the synapses aren't all firing today, I had to clean the whole basement, including my office,  because the carpet cleaners are coming today.  On a side note, I can't believe we live in such squalor!  (This is my usual battle cry whenever I have to clean.   Bah!
Oh, and Good Morning, Monkeys!

[kdel]

Good morning everyone!! I'm desperately trying to catch up but had a thought (sorry if it's been covered).  About the doll: I was thinking KC may have put the chloroform on Caylee's doll hoping she would hug the doll and pass out from fumes? Ugh...breaks my heart to even think about! 

[ddex]

If someone can clarify for me;  When did the Ants clean the car? George is the "detailer", but he was at work. Cindy went back to work.  Was it cleaned and then garbage bags put back in it?  Why leave diaper bag, mama, ect, but taked the clothes and shoes to be washed?  I can't wrap my head around this part, what am I missing?

[Fanny Mae]

If someone can clarify for me;  When did the Ants clean the car? George is the "detailer", but he was at work. Cindy went back to work.  Was it cleaned and then garbage bags put back in it?  Why leave diaper bag, mama, ect, but taked the clothes and shoes to be washed?  I can't wrap my head around this part, what am I missing?

It was said that Georgie went to work since he was beginning a new job. But I am not sure it was ever really verified he was there. The job didn't last long, at any rate. Maybe he did an hour or two cleaning before he went to work while Spindy went back to work, and when she finally did return, she finished up. I cannot imagine Spindy going back to work unless she knew the car was being taken care of. I think the garbage bag was retrieved from the Anthony's garbage can, and after Spindy did the cleaning on the other items, they were put back so it would look like that is how they found it. JMO

[Fanny Mae]

If someone can clarify for me;  When did the Ants clean the car? George is the "detailer", but he was at work. Cindy went back to work.  Was it cleaned and then garbage bags put back in it?  Why leave diaper bag, mama, ect, but taked the clothes and shoes to be washed?  I can't wrap my head around this part, what am I missing?

It was said that Georgie went to work since he was beginning a new job. But I am not sure it was ever really verified he was there. The job didn't last long, at any rate. Maybe he did an hour or two cleaning before he went to work while Spindy went back to work, and when she finally did return, she finished up. I cannot imagine Spindy going back to work unless she knew the car was being taken care of. I think the garbage bag was retrieved from the Anthony's garbage can, and after Spindy did the cleaning on the other items, they were put back so it would look like that is how they found it. JMO

I meant to add that the "garbage bag" that was retrieved from the Anthonys probably wasn't in the car, but it was what the items they found in the car were put into. JMO

[Girlzrock]

Girlz,  I agree.  But along with all her other disgusting habits, she obviously displayed some exhibitionism,  look at all her pics.  In her mind, she's "all that".

Oh, yes.... there is that!  LOL  And she probably would never believe that she would get caught at anything that she couldn't 'mistruth' away.

[Fanny Mae]

Good morning everyone!! I'm desperately trying to catch up but had a thought (sorry if it's been covered).  About the doll: I was thinking KC may have put the chloroform on Caylee's doll hoping she would hug the doll and pass out from fumes? Ugh...breaks my heart to even think about! 

The doll originally tested positive for traces of chloroform at first, but when later tested, it only showed urine stains. I wondered if trace amounts chloroform was already in Caylee's system when she lost control of her bladder. 

[Fanny Mae]

Another thing about the car, it wasn't picked up right away. The police were not on the scene with Spindy and Georgie all the time while the LE had KC taking her hither and yon before they arrested her. Some of the neighbors even reported the car was parked outside with the trunk opened. No telling how much cleaning that car really got before it was impounded. JMO

[monkalicious]

Good morning everyone!! I'm desperately trying to catch up but had a thought (sorry if it's been covered).  About the doll: I was thinking KC may have put the chloroform on Caylee's doll hoping she would hug the doll and pass out from fumes? Ugh...breaks my heart to even think about! 

The doll originally tested positive for traces of chloroform at first, but when later tested, it only showed urine stains. I wondered if trace amounts chloroform was already in Caylee's system when she lost control of her bladder. 

That was my thought, too, Fanny.  I really don't want to think about these things, but if it means finding out the truth and seeing justice done, I guess it's worth it.  I have always had respect for first responders to tragedy, but since I've followed this case so closely, my admiration for LE knows no bounds.  I have nightmares and daymares about the anguish of these little children, but I'm sure it can't compare to what those who deal with this on a daily basis go through.  It really helps me when I get agitated about Caylee's death to come here and vent, and know that there are other people who are as affected as I am.  Then I start thinking how complete strangers seem to be more compassionate than the A's, and I get angry again.  (Okay, I'll stop now.)

[Miki Monkey]

If someone can clarify for me;  When did the Ants clean the car? George is the "detailer", but he was at work. Cindy went back to work.  Was it cleaned and then garbage bags put back in it?  Why leave diaper bag, mama, ect, but taked the clothes and shoes to be washed?  I can't wrap my head around this part, what am I missing?

Morning Monkeys 

The bag wasn't with the Anthony family, it was removed from the car at the tow yard and thrown in the trash where it was retrieved later. Had it got back to the home we wouldn't have the evidence we do.