Elizabeth Olten #1 10/22/09 - 10/29/09

[jme]

I still have not seen the Huffington Post about the site Elizabeth was found at.

What is it that you want to know about where she was found?

[Fanny Mae]

What on earth would cause a 15 yo to do such a thing?

I can give you a couple reasons, but I'm not sure I'm welcome here.  I'd love to have a serious discussion about this with someone who really cares about the psychological makeup of a 15 year old girl who would resort to murder. 

What I'm not interested in or impressed by is the way some people 'investigate' case details with no bearing on the outcome. 

What do you think should be done with a 15 yr old girl that murders a 9 yr old?

[Anna]

Hi Anna - that was a great explanation, thank you!

Well, you know I have your back, Klaas.  New people just have no way of knowing what you have done for the missing all these years but some of us do.

It is our intent to be a support for the victim and family when they are innocent victims also.  We support local LE almost always with the exception of Aruba in the Natalee Holloway case.  I guess to a person not  familiar with these forums, it seems odd in a way that we are so interested.

I do remember my first experience with the Jessica Lunsford case and how shocked I was at some of the posts. 


But this interest by concerned regular people can lead to the enactment of new laws to protect our children and prevent stalking, etc.

It's our duty to do what we can to bring about justice for all the missing.

[yuknomenot]

What on earth would cause a 15 yo to do such a thing?

I can give you a couple reasons, but I'm not sure I'm welcome here.  I'd love to have a serious discussion about this with someone who really cares about the psychological makeup of a 15 year old girl who would resort to murder. 

What I'm not interested in or impressed by is the way some people 'investigate' case details with no bearing on the outcome. 

Hi there.  Unless they are 'investigated' (as you said it), how is it to be known that the details have no bearing on the outcome?

[jme]

I think the 15 yr old girl is fostered by a prominent family in JC and that is part of the reason why no more has come out about her. What do you think JME? 

Well one flaw with that theory is that her foster family is certainly NOT prominent. 

[Northern Rose]

I still have not seen the Huffington Post about the site Elizabeth was found at.

What is it that you want to know about where she was found?

I would like to know how bloodhounds, cadaver dogs, two searchs in the area and nothing was found.  How can 15 year old outsmart all the tools that LE had in searching?

[jme]

What on earth would cause a 15 yo to do such a thing?

I can give you a couple reasons, but I'm not sure I'm welcome here.  I'd love to have a serious discussion about this with someone who really cares about the psychological makeup of a 15 year old girl who would resort to murder. 

What I'm not interested in or impressed by is the way some people 'investigate' case details with no bearing on the outcome. 

Hi there.  Unless they are 'investigated' (as you said it), how is it to be known that the details have no bearing on the outcome?

Well...how are you going to investigate a case when you are not privy to the important facts that will ultimately determine the outcome?

[MuffyBee]

What on earth would cause a 15 yo to do such a thing?

I can give you a couple reasons, but I'm not sure I'm welcome here.  I'd love to have a serious discussion about this with someone who really cares about the psychological makeup of a 15 year old girl who would resort to murder. 

What I'm not interested in or impressed by is the way some people 'investigate' case details with no bearing on the outcome. 

There you go again.  We aren't here to impress you, and if you don't like the way some people "investigate" you are in the wrong place, perchance? 

Your not sure you're welcome here?  Now why would that be?  Could it be because you not only insulted this forum in your first post, you are doing it again.  Has anyone told you have terrible manners and a very big head lately?  Just askin' 

San, I'm getting bored.  You play with jme a while. 

[Fanny Mae]

I think the 15 yr old girl is fostered by a prominent family in JC and that is part of the reason why no more has come out about her. What do you think JME? 

Well one flaw with that theory is that her foster family is certainly NOT prominent. 

Oh, so nobody knew them until this happened?

[jme]

I still have not seen the Huffington Post about the site Elizabeth was found at.

What is it that you want to know about where she was found?

I would like to know how bloodhounds, cadaver dogs, two searchs in the area and nothing was found.  How can 15 year old outsmart all the tools that LE had in searching?

I would like to know how you know her body was even there when they were searching?

[jme]

I think the 15 yr old girl is fostered by a prominent family in JC and that is part of the reason why no more has come out about her. What do you think JME? 

Well one flaw with that theory is that her foster family is certainly NOT prominent. 

Oh, so nobody knew them until this happened?

I did not say no one knew them, I said they were not prominent.

[Northern Rose]

The other question that I have is if in fact she wants all the attention, why did she not leave breadcrumbs so that she did not outsmart LE for two days?  Why did it take a 3rd juvenile to hand LE written notes before they realized that there was foul play involved?  Does not seem to me the way you get attention.

[yuknomenot]

What on earth would cause a 15 yo to do such a thing?

I can give you a couple reasons, but I'm not sure I'm welcome here.  I'd love to have a serious discussion about this with someone who really cares about the psychological makeup of a 15 year old girl who would resort to murder. 

What I'm not interested in or impressed by is the way some people 'investigate' case details with no bearing on the outcome. 

Hi there.  Unless they are 'investigated' (as you said it), how is it to be known that the details have no bearing on the outcome?

Well...how are you going to investigate a case when you are not privy to the important facts that will ultimately determine the outcome?

You answered your own question.  Through the investigation one gleans the facts.  You might do well to do some 'investigating' of your own before you embarrass yourself further.  With that I am done and wish you a good evening.

[Fanny Mae]

I still have not seen the Huffington Post about the site Elizabeth was found at.

What is it that you want to know about where she was found?

I would like to know how bloodhounds, cadaver dogs, two searchs in the area and nothing was found.  How can 15 year old outsmart all the tools that LE had in searching?

I would like to know how you know her body was even there when they were searching?

Do you have a theory??

[fatcatlurker]

What on earth would cause a 15 yo to do such a thing?

I can give you a couple reasons, but I'm not sure I'm welcome here.  I'd love to have a serious discussion about this with someone who really cares about the psychological makeup of a 15 year old girl who would resort to murder. 

What I'm not interested in or impressed by is the way some people 'investigate' case details with no bearing on the outcome. 

Hi there.  Unless they are 'investigated' (as you said it), how is it to be known that the details have no bearing on the outcome?

Well...how are you going to investigate a case when you are not privy to the important facts that will ultimately determine the outcome?

you said outcome earlier in a post.

We have no control over the outcome...what is it you think we have control over here on a forum for missing children? 

Buddy the outcome is sadly already done. 

[crazybabyborg]

What on earth would cause a 15 yo to do such a thing?

I can give you a couple reasons, but I'm not sure I'm welcome here.  I'd love to have a serious discussion about this with someone who really cares about the psychological makeup of a 15 year old girl who would resort to murder. 

What I'm not interested in or impressed by is the way some people 'investigate' case details with no bearing on the outcome. 

Hi jme!

Maybe you could share with us those couple of reasons because I assure you that you're in the midst of a lot of caring people when it comes to crimes against children.

Come on, group! We need to try harder to be impressive!   

BTW: This is popcorn kitty. We bring him out when we're about to be serious:

[fatcatlurker]

I still have not seen the Huffington Post about the site Elizabeth was found at.

What is it that you want to know about where she was found?

I would like to know how bloodhounds, cadaver dogs, two searchs in the area and nothing was found.  How can 15 year old outsmart all the tools that LE had in searching?

I would like to know how you know her body was even there when they were searching?

Funny you make that statement when that was just speculated today on NG and in other media.  What do you know?

[Northern Rose]

I still have not seen the Huffington Post about the site Elizabeth was found at.

What is it that you want to know about where she was found?

I would like to know how bloodhounds, cadaver dogs, two searchs in the area and nothing was found.  How can 15 year old outsmart all the tools that LE had in searching?

I would like to know how you know her body was even there when they were searching?

So you are saying that a 15 yr old possibly snuck out in the two days that volunteers and LE from more than one jurisdiction was searching a specific area and managed to retrieve and hide the body with no one noticing?  And that this 15 year old could move a 108lb 5'2 limp body so stealthily?

[klaasend]

I still have not seen the Huffington Post about the site Elizabeth was found at.

What is it that you want to know about where she was found?

I would like to know how bloodhounds, cadaver dogs, two searchs in the area and nothing was found.  How can 15 year old outsmart all the tools that LE had in searching?

I would like to know how you know her body was even there when they were searching?

JME - you make a valid point.  It's very possible that the body was moved there AFTER it was searched.  I don't think that's the case though, I think we'll find her body was there all along but was covered with brush or hidden very well.  Also from what has been "leaking" out, sounds like it was likely premeditated.  Of course, even if she is charged as an adult, she cannot get the death penalty.

[jme]

The other question that I have is if in fact she wants all the attention, why did she not leave breadcrumbs so that she did not outsmart LE for two days?  Why did it take a 3rd juvenile to hand LE written notes before they realized that there was foul play involved?  Does not seem to me the way you get attention.

That is because you're not a murderer.  We can not speculate what was going through her mind this early in the game. It does not do a bit of good..JMO