Elizabeth Olten #1 10/22/09 - 10/29/09

[Jennifer34]

I have been reading about this all day and it does make me wonder why a 15 year old girl would do this.  I just cant wrap my head around this.  It seems to be just plain evil if not mental and that doesnt seem to fit the bill here so far.

As far as missing/murdered people (They are usually missing before its realized that they have been murdered) .... I got on this forum when Natalie Holloway went missing because I was trying to find out as much information as possible because she was from my home town.  I was shocked and amazed at how many people are actually missing.  My sister has 2 little ones and her tv is probably on nickelodeon most of the time.  I enlighten her to alot of things that are going on around us such as s.o. moving in the area.  I had no idea the magnitude of crimes against children and neither did she.  Knowledge is power and safety for ALL kids and it IS important to learn from these tragedies. 

JME - Take a minute to read up on the Christine Sheddy case and it will really open a persons eyes as to what can (not saying anything derogatory regarding your LE) can happen over time when public officials are not held accountable for their actions.  (again, not slamming JC, just attempting at making a point)

[jme]

We cannot possibly "investigate" as LE does because we don't have access to all the evidence that they do.  That is not our intent.  Our form of investigation is combing through all the available information and staying as informed as possible.  Sometimes we even find something of assistance to LE and it is forwarded to them pronto.

There are many, many of us and some capable of coordinating information in a very concise way.  And some can find anything on social networking sites.  Some have participated in searches with orgs like TES.

We write to legislators striving to have laws enacted to better protect the innocent. 

But the forum would not be here if not for the effort of Klaas and the mods and Red the Owner.  That's one thing we don't do is diss them.  At least no one will for very long, lol.

I appreciate everything you've said.  If all the lovely posters here had your mentality, I would have never felt compelled to add my two cents in the first place.  I get it now. 

Glad I could provide some of you with entertainment.

The rest of you -thanks for providing mine.  Man I wish I had a winking monkey

Until next time...

PEACE!

[Fanny Mae]

The other question that I have is if in fact she wants all the attention, why did she not leave breadcrumbs so that she did not outsmart LE for two days?  Why did it take a 3rd juvenile to hand LE written notes before they realized that there was foul play involved?  Does not seem to me the way you get attention.

That is because you're not a murderer.  We can not speculate what was going through her mind this early in the game. It does not do a bit of good..JMO

Oh so I suppose LE is not speculating what was going thru the childs head while she was possibly harming and hiding another child?  Gee let's not do that, what are you a lawyer?

I was wondering that myself.   Is Bobo still in FL?

Oh NORTHERNROSE, my fever just spiked!!!! 

nanners

Incoming!

[MuffyBee]

Hey jme, no hard feelings, k?  I found this big azz hat just for you to wear hear while you dialog.  It should fit your head just fine... HAT tip to San.

[Anna]

The other question that I have is if in fact she wants all the attention, why did she not leave breadcrumbs so that she did not outsmart LE for two days?  Why did it take a 3rd juvenile to hand LE written notes before they realized that there was foul play involved?  Does not seem to me the way you get attention.

That is because you're not a murderer.  We can not speculate what was going through her mind this early in the game. It does not do a bit of good..JMO

How do you know that none of us is a murderer?


Muuuhahahahahahha!

Sorry, just kidding.


   and Roll Tide!

[Northern Rose]

The other question that I have is if in fact she wants all the attention, why did she not leave breadcrumbs so that she did not outsmart LE for two days?  Why did it take a 3rd juvenile to hand LE written notes before they realized that there was foul play involved?  Does not seem to me the way you get attention.

That is because you're not a murderer.  We can not speculate what was going through her mind this early in the game. It does not do a bit of good..JMO

How do you know that none of us is a murderer?


Muuuhahahahahahha!

Sorry, just kidding.


   and Roll Tide!

OMG Anna!  LOL

[Fanny Mae]

I'll show you where the winking monkey is if you will tell us something about the case. 

[darla]

Good call/catch Muffy 

You haven't banned them yet, have you?  They are only on like post number 4.  I see San is here.  Can we play with the troll for a while, Klaas?  Pleeeeeeeeaaaaase?  Can we?  Huh huh?  Can we?

 

MuffyBee   Thanks you from the bottom of my heart for the first good belly laugh I have had in a couple of weeks. You guys are to much. Got my popcorn, drink and goobers. lol

[texasmom]

We cannot possibly "investigate" as LE does because we don't have access to all the evidence that they do.  That is not our intent.  Our form of investigation is combing through all the available information and staying as informed as possible.  Sometimes we even find something of assistance to LE and it is forwarded to them pronto.

There are many, many of us and some capable of coordinating information in a very concise way.  And some can find anything on social networking sites.  Some have participated in searches with orgs like TES.

We write to legislators striving to have laws enacted to better protect the innocent. 

But the forum would not be here if not for the effort of Klaas and the mods and Red the Owner.  That's one thing we don't do is diss them.  At least no one will for very long, lol.

I appreciate everything you've said.  If all the lovely posters here had your mentality, I would have never felt compelled to add my two cents in the first place.  I get it now. 

Glad I could provide some of you with entertainment.

The rest of you -thanks for providing mine.  Man I wish I had a winking monkey

Until next time...

PEACE!

Well Anna, since JME's so nice to you...must not be the usual suspects.  

[Northern Rose]

back at you Fanny.

[MuffyBee]

I'll show you where the winking monkey is if you will tell us something about the case. 

Fanny Mae!!!  You aren't REALLY going to show jme where the winking monkey is, are you?   

[Northern Rose]

Good call/catch Muffy 

You haven't banned them yet, have you?  They are only on like post number 4.  I see San is here.  Can we play with the troll for a while, Klaas?  Pleeeeeeeeaaaaase?  Can we?  Huh huh?  Can we?

 

MuffyBee   Thanks you from the bottom of my heart for the first good belly laugh I have had in a couple of weeks. You guys are to much. Got my popcorn, drink and goobers. lol

You had me at goobers Darla.  Now I have the flu and a goober craving. LOL

[janetruth]

What on earth would cause a 15 yo to do such a thing?

I can give you a couple reasons, but I'm not sure I'm welcome here.  I'd love to have a serious discussion about this with someone who really cares about the psychological makeup of a 15 year old girl who would resort to murder. 

What I'm not interested in or impressed by is the way some people 'investigate' case details with no bearing on the outcome. 

I am most interested in the psychology of the perpetrator.  However all details interest me, especially this early in the case.

[darla]

Forgot my manners been a long day!
Good Evening Monkeys and Guest!

JME if you know so much about the case spill it.

[Northern Rose]

Amber Alert's record shows it can make a crucial difference

TAMPA — Since its inception almost a decade ago, Florida's statewide Amber Alert program has saved children in at least 45 missing or abduction cases, a Florida Department of Law Enforcement official said Tuesday.

The results underscore the need for both specialized training and support of the program, law enforcement officials said during the first day of a three-day symposium exploring the programs' strengths and weaknesses.

"If just one child is saved, that's enough for me," said Donna Hodges, an FDLE researcher and training specialist involved in the Florida endeavor. "It has made a difference."

The U.S. Department of Justice is hosting the National Amber Alert Training Symposium at the Hyatt in downtown Tampa, drawing about 350 advocates from all over the world. About 45 family members of abducted children who either returned home safely, remain missing or were murdered joined the gathering.

Ed Smart, whose daughter Elizabeth was taken from her bedroom in Utah in 2002 and found alive nine months later, said that before his daughter's abduction, he had never even heard of the Amber Alert.

The system sends out bulletins on TV, radio, the Internet and highway signs for the public to be on the lookout for a missing child.

"I am a big supporter of the Amber Alert because I believe more children can be saved," Smart said. "And it starts here, in this room. This is the core right here."

Nationwide, leaders have embarked on a campaign to not only get the word out about the Amber Alert system, but to also get law enforcement to change its approach to reports of missing children.

For example, most law officers are trained to expect a worst-case scenario when responding to a burglary call. Yet a missing child alert still carries questions and doubt, and lacks compassion, said Phil Keith, a program manager for training and technical assistance for the U.S. Department of Justice's Amber Alert Initiative.

The first hours are the most critical in abduction cases, Keith said, so it is imperative that investigators move swiftly.

Some countries, like the Netherlands, use sophisticated computer programming to spread alerts to electronic devices such as BlackBerrys and smart phones.

Carlo Schippers of the National Police in the Netherlands said that since launching the program last November, about 200,000 of the country's 16 million people have signed up for the mobile alerts.

"Within half an hour of sending out an Amber Alert, unless you're living under a bridge in a cardboard box that gets bad reception, you should know about it," Schippers said. "Child abduction is a problem that is everywhere. We need to work together and communicate."

In Texas, leaders there credit a network of regional communications for its 100 percent success rate. Since 2002, 42 Amber Alerts have been issued; they have all resulted in happy endings, said Al Lowe, a regional Amber Alert coordinator in Texas.

Similarly, in New York since 2000, children in all 25 Amber Alert cases were reunited with their families.

Florida, meanwhile, has issued 147 Amber Alerts since 2000. Investigators successfully resolved 142 of those cases. Hodges took a closer look at the cases and discovered that in 45 of them, people indicated that the system played a direct role in the child's recovery.

But some Amber Alerts have tragic endings. The symposium, which continues through Thursday, comes weeks after two girls were abducted and killed in two different states.

The group planned a candlelight vigil Tuesday night in memory of Somer Thompson, 7, of Orange Park, and Elizabeth Olten, 9, of Missouri.

Despite the recent deaths, proponents say the program works. Since 1996, 492 missing or abducted children were found alive nationwide as a direct result of the Amber Alert system, officials said.

"One life in and of itself is precious," said California Highway Patrol Capt. L.D. Maples, the state's Amber Alert coordinator. "I don't see how anything that can get information out to the public about a child's abduction isn't good."

http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/amber-alerts-record-shows-it-can-make-a-crucial-difference/1047419

[Fanny Mae]

back at you Fanny.

Done!

[klaasend]

To reiterate..

JME has made it their job to go to the various sites or at least here and the local news websites (I've seen the posts) and discourage people from discussing the case.  I'd really like to know why it's so important to them that we all "bug off".

If you thought a bunch of people were NUTS to be discussing a case in a state they don't even live in, would you bother registering for that site to post?  Or would you simply shake your head and walk away?

[Anna]

We cannot possibly "investigate" as LE does because we don't have access to all the evidence that they do.  That is not our intent.  Our form of investigation is combing through all the available information and staying as informed as possible.  Sometimes we even find something of assistance to LE and it is forwarded to them pronto.

There are many, many of us and some capable of coordinating information in a very concise way.  And some can find anything on social networking sites.  Some have participated in searches with orgs like TES.

We write to legislators striving to have laws enacted to better protect the innocent. 

But the forum would not be here if not for the effort of Klaas and the mods and Red the Owner.  That's one thing we don't do is diss them.  At least no one will for very long, lol.

I appreciate everything you've said.  If all the lovely posters here had your mentality, I would have never felt compelled to add my two cents in the first place.  I get it now. 

Glad I could provide some of you with entertainment.

The rest of you -thanks for providing mine.  Man I wish I had a winking monkey

Until next time...

PEACE!

Well Anna, since JME's so nice to you...must not be the usual suspects.  

I was thinking the same thing, TxMom.  Must be the new suspects, lol, but knew we could tell if it was the usual if they went after me.

I must admit I was curious but on hand just in case to back up and defend Klaas just in case it was them.

Maybe someone concerned about LE receiving negative publicity or something like that?  Does it make you think there is something we do not yet know that is going to reflect badly such as prior knowledge that this POI has serious issues and problems that were not adequately addressed?

[Fanny Mae]

I'll show you where the winking monkey is if you will tell us something about the case. 

Fanny Mae!!!  You aren't REALLY going to show jme where the winking monkey is, are you?   

If JME would give some information instead of answering a question with a question I just might. I don't really believe JME is really in the JC area myself.  Just some punk thinking they are having a good time. JME doesn't know one thing. JMO   

[klaasend]

We cannot possibly "investigate" as LE does because we don't have access to all the evidence that they do.  That is not our intent.  Our form of investigation is combing through all the available information and staying as informed as possible.  Sometimes we even find something of assistance to LE and it is forwarded to them pronto.

There are many, many of us and some capable of coordinating information in a very concise way.  And some can find anything on social networking sites.  Some have participated in searches with orgs like TES.

We write to legislators striving to have laws enacted to better protect the innocent. 

But the forum would not be here if not for the effort of Klaas and the mods and Red the Owner.  That's one thing we don't do is diss them.  At least no one will for very long, lol.

I appreciate everything you've said.  If all the lovely posters here had your mentality, I would have never felt compelled to add my two cents in the first place.  I get it now. 

Glad I could provide some of you with entertainment.

The rest of you -thanks for providing mine.  Man I wish I had a winking monkey

Until next time...

PEACE!

Well Anna, since JME's so nice to you...must not be the usual suspects.  

Hadn't thought about that but no, I think JME is a local to Jefferson City person just like they claim to be.